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MikeVielhaber 12-04-2014 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1155284)
Very true. I'm a bit confused as to why people would think the thread title is a fact. It's not a quote from an article.

The implication is that you're summarizing some new bit of information that you're going share within the thread. It is stated as a fact. Nobody knows what the source is until they click on it. So that's why it would be perceived as one who has not yet read the thread.

mitzo 12-05-2014 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1155284)
Very true. I'm a bit confused as to why people would think the thread title is a fact. It's not a quote from an article.

To me, as much as I would like a new album from the band, the cynic in me says it's not going to happen any time soon and it may not happen at all. If it's true that the band will be touring Australia and New Zealand in November 2015, any new album from the band would need to have its release date pushed back to 2016. I think by 2016 it will get to the stage where one or more of the band members is of the opinion, "why bother?"

Then we would probably get a new solo album from Lindsey and nothing else.

Or we will end up with an FM album which is basically a Lindsey solo effort with some songs by the others grafted on. Look at SYW - his contributions were totally Lindsey solo.

Macfan4life 12-05-2014 08:53 AM

I disagree with the OP and think this is all rubbish :eek:
I saw the Mac on one of the first stops of this tour. Mick said at the end of the show the tour would go on forever.
The Mac is touring like it is 1977 all over again. This is an amazing moment for them. They are selling out all over the world. Why stop the magic? The Mac WILL record another album and Stevie WILL join them. If they do tour again it would never be as extensive as this one like lots of dates in western Canada and 70 North American dates.

So why rain on their parade when they are having so much fun on this tour. It so magical. I hope it never ends!

bombaysaffires 12-05-2014 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1155353)
I disagree with the OP and think this is all rubbish :eek:
I saw the Mac on one of the first stops of this tour. Mick said at the end of the show the tour would go on forever.
The Mac is touring like it is 1977 all over again. This is an amazing moment for them. They are selling out all over the world. Why stop the magic? The Mac WILL record another album and Stevie WILL join them. If they do tour again it would never be as extensive as this one like lots of dates in western Canada and 70 North American dates.

So why rain on their parade when they are having so much fun on this tour. It so magical. I hope it never ends!

not me. there is NOTHING artistically creative about this tour. just money. get your azzes in the studio.

I'm betting 2017 for an album, if we get one. :mad:

michelej1 12-05-2014 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1155353)

So why rain on their parade when they are having so much fun on this tour. It so magical. I hope it never ends!

I think it is magical, but I think an album would be even more so. And it will last long after they're gone.

Michele

secret love 12-05-2014 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1155376)
I think it is magical, but I think an album would be even more so. And it will last long after they're gone.

Michele

I feel exactly the same way. :nod:

A concert is a fleeting moment in time. I can listen to an album over and over. Also, although I have never seen the band live, I have heard all the songs in the set list hundreds of times already (on CD or concert DVDs). An album is new and exciting.

secret love 12-05-2014 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber (Post 1155323)
The implication is that you're summarizing some new bit of information that you're going share within the thread. It is stated as a fact. Nobody knows what the source is until they click on it. So that's why it would be perceived as one who has not yet read the thread.

Elle did not take the thread title as fact. You read too much into my words. All it takes is one click and after one second you know that the thread title is not a quote from a band member.

MikeVielhaber 12-05-2014 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1155408)
Elle did not take the thread title as fact. You read too much into my words. All it takes is one click and after one second you know that the thread title is not a quote from a band member.

I'm not reading anything into it that's not there. It is a statement. It's not "I think there will never be..." or "why I think there will never be". It is "There will never be a new FM Album". I never know when someone's going to come up with a new interview where they say "doesn't look like a new album is going to happen". I don't think that will happen, but you never know. Quite frankly, I don't care why you think there will never be an album because you have no insight into the band. Therefore, enticing me to click on your thread is a slight annoyance. I wouldn't have said anything except to defend those that did and you telling them they're idiots.

secondhandchain 12-05-2014 11:58 PM

They can have a very short tour after the album release. 10 cities. Just release some new music. Stevie stop being such a buzzkill all ready. She's ruining for me what would have been a really magical time.

teedeerocks 12-06-2014 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 1155218)
I firmly believe there will be one last album from the band. This whole process of airing dirty laundry and public insinuations is classic, classic Fleetwood Mac. These kids have been drama queens since day one. 40+ years on, they're even more stubborn due to all the years of money, fame, power, and now they're old curmudgeons on top of all that. Of course recording an album wouldn't be easy or drama free. All the same, I don't think a one of them wants to close the book on the band without one last album. If the Eagles could pull it off, so can these guys. Not just that- since the Eagles put out one final album, you know the Mac will follow suit. This is why Christine came back, after all- so the band could put a nice neat bow on their history.

I SO agree with your last sentence.IMO,Chris didn't just randomly come back to this band after 15 - 16 years,there is a reason for it.After she made that guest appearance last year she said it was fun,she did not cry or get goosebumps,and she didn't feel one iota of envy.Now all of a sudden it's like "I wanna thank these guys for giving me a second chance". I'm like "oh please".This was all SO totally planned for a while.Maybe Stevie managed to "scrape" up that 5 million:rolleyes:.

MikeVielhaber 12-06-2014 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by teedeerocks (Post 1155473)
I SO agree with your last sentence.IMO,Chris didn't just randomly come back to this band after 15 - 16 years,there is a reason for it.After she made that guest appearance last year she said it was fun,she did not cry or get goosebumps,and she didn't feel one iota of envy.Now all of a sudden it's like "I wanna thank these guys for giving me a second chance". I'm like "oh please".This was all SO totally planned for a while.Maybe Stevie managed to "scrape" up that 5 million:rolleyes:.

Well she didn't fake her fear of flying and then fake get over it. She couldn't have planned it for a long time or been lured by money (after 15 years of retirement at the age of 70 she gets hungry for some money? I don't think so). Also if it was all planned it would've been timed better rather than right on the back of their previous tour.

SteveMacD 12-06-2014 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by teedeerocks (Post 1155473)
I SO agree with your last sentence.IMO,Chris didn't just randomly come back to this band after 15 - 16 years,there is a reason for it.After she made that guest appearance last year she said it was fun,she did not cry or get goosebumps,and she didn't feel one iota of envy.Now all of a sudden it's like "I wanna thank these guys for giving me a second chance". I'm like "oh please".This was all SO totally planned for a while.Maybe Stevie managed to "scrape" up that 5 million:rolleyes:.

I think people need to remember that Christine's retirement in 1998 was part of a long goodbye that took about seven years. Christine quit touring in 1990, after the "Behind The Mask" tour, and her songs on "Time" made it very clear that she was done with Fleetwood Mac. "The Dance" was really her way of going out on top. She's even said recently that she did that tour with the understanding that it was going to be her last tour.

The first hint that she might be interested in coming out of retirement was in March, 2012, when Ken Caillat reported that Christine said his book "brought passion back into the music for her," and almost two years to the day later, they were on the Today Show officially announcing Christine's return.

michelej1 12-06-2014 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by teedeerocks (Post 1155473)
I SO agree with your last sentence.IMO,Chris didn't just randomly come back to this band after 15 - 16 years,there is a reason for it.After she made that guest appearance last year she said it was fun,she did not cry or get goosebumps,and she didn't feel one iota of envy.

She never said she didn't feel one iota of envy or nostalgia or longing. After she made the guest appearance in Hawaii, the next thing we knew she was saying she'd play London if they asked her. After London, she was with them the rest of the European tour, so it seems pretty clear to me that she was thinking about this ALL last year. She'd been slowly rejoining them for most of the year.

After she saw them for the SYW tour, that's when she said she didn't feel any envy. She said they were all knackered or fagged or something and she was glad she was way from it at all, but ever since she flew to Hawaii and then had dinner with them in Los Angeles and hinted about joining them in London, she's been making her interest in coming back clear. And no, it didn't happen overnight. She's probably been taking baby steps for 2 years. It probably has more to do with her psychological well-being than her need for money. Michele

secret love 12-07-2014 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber (Post 1155430)
I'm not reading anything into it that's not there. It is a statement. It's not "I think there will never be..." or "why I think there will never be". It is "There will never be a new FM Album". I never know when someone's going to come up with a new interview where they say "doesn't look like a new album is going to happen". I don't think that will happen, but you never know. Quite frankly, I don't care why you think there will never be an album because you have no insight into the band. Therefore, enticing me to click on your thread is a slight annoyance. I wouldn't have said anything except to defend those that did and you telling them they're idiots.

Some thoughts I want to share with the Ledgies giving me a hard time:

I would change the thread title if I could! It did not seem like a big deal when I wrote it, it is a big deal now but I am unable to change it.

In my defence:

If it is only a "slight annoyance", please, could you give me a "slight" scolding? The world hasn't caved in: there is still a chance of a new Fleetwood Mac album.

Remember when Mick Fleetwood himself said in a 2012 Playboy magazine interview that Fleetwood Mac would never tour again?

That was much more than a "slight annoyance". For fans including myself, it was tragic news. It also turned out to be false and led to Stevie Nicks confirming that there would be another Fleetwood Mac tour Live 2013 on Loose Women in July 2012, four months before the dates were announced!

Some Ledgies can be a touch too precious. It takes one minute to read my full post in its entirety.

Fans waited for two months (from memory) after Mick's Playboy interview in which he stated as a fact that his band would never tour again [for this to be corrected by his colleague Stevie Nicks].

Presumably the founder of the band's word carries more weight than some stranger on the Internet who you have never met, yes?

Common sense is all but common these days.

SteveMacD 12-07-2014 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1155534)
Remember when Mick Fleetwood himself said in a 2012 Playboy magazine interview that Fleetwood Mac would never tour again?

Clearly, THAT didn't work out for him....:lol:

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Fans waited for two months (from memory) after Mick's Playboy interview in which he stated as a fact that his band would never tour again [for this to be corrected by his colleague Stevie Nicks].
Mick's Playboy interview: March 16, 2012

Ken Caillat's quote about his book restoring Christine's passion for the music: March 29, 2012

Fleetwood Mac: Still going.

secret love 12-07-2014 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1155543)
Clearly, THAT didn't work out for him....:lol:


Mick's Playboy interview: March 16, 2012

Ken Caillat's quote about his book restoring Christine's passion for the music: March 29, 2012

Fleetwood Mac: Still going.

:lol: Very true! Granted, he said Fleetwood Mac would never tour again thinking he was right, but hoping to God he was wrong.

In fact, that's precisely how I feel about a new studio album by Fleetwood Mac. My brain doesn't think it will ever happen, but my heart hopes that the head's wrong.

PenguinHead 12-07-2014 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by teedeerocks (Post 1155473)
I SO agree with your last sentence.IMO,Chris didn't just randomly come back to this band after 15 - 16 years,there is a reason for it.After she made that guest appearance last year she said it was fun,she did not cry or get goosebumps,and she didn't feel one iota of envy.Now all of a sudden it's like "I wanna thank these guys for giving me a second chance". I'm like "oh please".This was all SO totally planned for a while.Maybe Stevie managed to "scrape" up that 5 million:rolleyes:.

Why such unnecessary cynicism? Christine clearly and honestly explained why she left, and her reasons for returning to the band. What is the issue that incites such indignation?

secret love 12-07-2014 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 1155547)
Why such unnecessary cynicism? Christine clearly and honestly explained why she left, and her reasons for returning to the band. What is the issue that incites such indignation?

Agreed. Christine has explained on the public record that she left the band due to a dislike of touring and a fear of flying. She also publicly explained that with the help of a therapist, she has finally overcome her fear of flying and is enjoying touring again for the first time in years.

Personally I took Christine at her word. She doesn't have any reason to lie about why she left the band and why she returned. I don't understand the conspiracy theories.

PenguinHead 12-07-2014 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfanforever (Post 1155229)
With all this drama .I think this band needs a reality show.I hate reality shows but I will be glued to the tube watching it.

They would never stoop that level, just throwing away all of their integrity. The reality show should feature a bunch of disparate Ledgies gathered together; that's where drama will take place.

secret love 12-07-2014 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 1155550)
The reality show should feature a bunch of disparate Ledgies gathered together; that's where drama will take place.

I wonder if any salmon are going to jump on that hook...:p

KarmaContestant 12-08-2014 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber (Post 1155430)
I'm not reading anything into it that's not there. It is a statement. It's not "I think there will never be..." or "why I think there will never be". It is "There will never be a new FM Album".


I'd just call it a prediction. :shrug: One that seems more and more reliable with each passing month.

tabruns 12-09-2014 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant (Post 1155657)
I'd just call it a prediction. :shrug: One that seems more and more reliable with each passing month.

Eh, I'm not sure, KC. The rest of the band seems so stoked by what they've done so far that I'm willing to bet they'd put out an album without Nicks if need be.

KarmaContestant 12-09-2014 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tabruns (Post 1155689)
Eh, I'm not sure, KC. The rest of the band seems so stoked by what they've done so far that I'm willing to bet they'd put out an album without Nicks if need be.

I hope so, indeed. :nod: I'd be happy with an album, whether it included Stevie or not.

But, nothing can beat those three part harmonies!

jbrownsjr 12-09-2014 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant (Post 1155693)
I hope so, indeed. :nod: I'd be happy with an album, whether it included Stevie or not.

But, nothing can beat those three part harmonies!

I hope she's on it. Stevie sounded fantastic all three nights at the LA Forum. The 3 parts were magic again! Christine sounds stronger than ever, as well.

nicepace 12-09-2014 03:02 PM

I love the three part harmonies. I'm sure we all do. But I'd rather hear just Christine and Lindsey than no new album at all.

And I'd rather not hear the backing vocalists. If Stevie sings on the album, will the backing vocalists sing too? They sound nice, granted, but to me they don't sound like Fleetwood Mac.

Lisa W 12-09-2014 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1155695)
I hope she's on it. Stevie sounded fantastic all three nights at the LA Forum. The 3 parts were magic again! Christine sounds stronger than ever, as well.

I agree with you that Stevie sounded great at all the LA Forum shows. I would love to hear those three-part harmonies on new recorded material. Still keeping my hopes up that it will happen.

SpyNote 12-09-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1155480)
I think people need to remember that Christine's retirement in 1998 was part of a long goodbye that took about seven years. Christine quit touring in 1990, after the "Behind The Mask" tour, and her songs on "Time" made it very clear that she was done with Fleetwood Mac. "The Dance" was really her way of going out on top. She's even said recently that she did that tour with the understanding that it was going to be her last tour.

The first hint that she might be interested in coming out of retirement was in March, 2012, when Ken Caillat reported that Christine said his book "brought passion back into the music for her," and almost two years to the day later, they were on the Today Show officially announcing Christine's return.

Hmm. I think more likely it was therapy and antidepressants that snapped her out of this spiraling depression of hers.

jbrownsjr 12-09-2014 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SpyNote (Post 1155703)
Hmm. I think more likely it was therapy and antidepressants that snapped her out of this spiraling depression of hers.

And plain old boredom.

WayOfTheDragon 12-09-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nicepace (Post 1155698)
If Stevie sings on the album, will the backing vocalists sing too? They sound nice, granted, but to me they don't sound like Fleetwood Mac.

I don't think they'd use the backing vocalists on a Fleetwood Mac studio track. With all the layering of voices and other technical tricks they can use in the studio, they don't really need to bring in additional singers to fill out the sound.

BLY 12-09-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WayOfTheDragon (Post 1155709)
I don't think they'd use the backing vocalists on a Fleetwood Mac studio track. With all the layering of voices and other technical tricks they can use in the studio, they don't really need to bring in additional singers to fill out the sound.



Never, Never,Never !

SteveMacD 12-09-2014 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SpyNote (Post 1155703)
Hmm. I think more likely it was therapy and antidepressants that snapped her out of this spiraling depression of hers.

I didn't suggest otherwise. I just said that the first hint that she might make a comeback was Ken's quote.

There have likely been many steps we'll never know about that she needed to take to get here. I think somebody said Sharon told them that Christine couldn't go on stage with them in 2009 because she had quit drinking and was too nervous to go on. Then there was that whole battle in 2010 about Christine and a consortium she had joined denying water access to villagers when they fenced off fields in a move to prevent greenhouses from being erected, where candids of Christine walking her dogs were published.

aleuzzi 12-09-2014 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1155713)
I didn't suggest otherwise. I just said that the first hint that she might make a comeback was Ken's quote.

There have likely been many steps we'll never know about that she needed to take to get here. I think somebody said Sharon told them that Christine couldn't go on stage with them in 2009 because she had quit drinking and was too nervous to go on. Then there was that whole battle in 2010 about Christine and a consortium she had joined denying water access to villagers when they fenced off fields in a move to prevent greenhouses from being erected, where candids of Christine walking her dogs were published.

Did she join the consortium to deny villagers access to the fields? I seem to remember she had the opposite viewpoint, even though the headline of the tabloid suggested otherwise.

......yeah, I went in and read the full Express article. Actually, it reveals (buried, towards the end) that Christine's relationship with the consortium was strained over the issue and that many of the villagers believed she regretted joining it.

aleuzzi 12-09-2014 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1155695)
I hope she's on it. Stevie sounded fantastic all three nights at the LA Forum. The 3 parts were magic again! Christine sounds stronger than ever, as well.

This is great to hear. Granted, the band always kicks it up a notch or two for their old hometown.

Nick 12-10-2014 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisa W (Post 1155701)
I agree with you that Stevie sounded great at all the LA Forum shows. I would love to hear those three-part harmonies on new recorded material. Still keeping my hopes up that it will happen.

Same here. I was really hoping for a new studio album (with all the current line-up) sometime in 2015. I guess Fall 2015 would seem the most likely. I'm actually bummed that they are extending the tour as this might delay the album further.

Maybe I'm selfish, but I saw them in October at Madison Square Garden and I just want at least one more studio album from them and a proper follow-up to "Tango".

louielouie2000 12-10-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick (Post 1155787)
Same here. I was really hoping for a new studio album (with all the current line-up) sometime in 2015. I guess Fall 2015 would seem the most likely. I'm actually bummed that they are extending the tour as this might delay the album further.

Maybe I'm selfish, but I saw them in October at Madison Square Garden and I just want at least one more studio album from them and a proper follow-up to "Tango".

Since it looks like they're touring into the summer (who knows, additional dates could still be added), I'm guessing a Fall 2015 release for an album is not likely. Especially since I'm betting the band will want some time off between the end of the tour and recording new material.

And I agree about wanting a proper follow up to Tango. It's getting close to 3 decades since we've gotten an album from our 5 fireflies. I'm foaming at the mouth! :lol:


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