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gypsy333 04-29-2013 11:39 AM

I agree that there is a magic that happens when Stevie and LB come together musically....i love them both...have seen both of them solo and have enjoyed their solo efforts!!!....but there is something special about seeing them singing together with Mick and John as Fleetwood Mac

AbbiJoy78 04-29-2013 11:47 AM

Yes gypsy33 now we're talkin'!! LOL:blob1:

jbrownsjr 04-29-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 1090188)
But not being a sad nostalgia act.

I'll take his solo show any day of the week. I dont care if it's in my living room. Which holds 20 ppl!! :cool:

redtulip 04-29-2013 11:55 AM

Sara


shackin'up 04-29-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 1090204)
It doesn't change the fact that 90% of the setlist consists of material that is over 25 years old. I think, no matter what, that qualifies as a "sad nostalgia act" per your definition. Although, for some reason, when Lindsey sings an old song, it's not "sad nostalgia," but when Stevie sings an old song, it IS "sad nostalgia." :rolleyes:

it's all about the quality of that you bring. Maybe FM is a nostalgia act. But I was talking about what makes it a Sad one. This reviewer just stated that that was La Nicks, and not LB. I can see what he means. That's the only thing I tried to pronounce.

gypsy333 04-29-2013 11:55 AM

Backatcha AbbiJoy:blob2:
I get to see them next Satuday when Fleetwood Mac headlines at the New Orleans JazzFest....I have been going each year and dreaming they would come one year...the last time I saw them in an outdoor venue was at a stadium at City Park in 1977...I heard that the massive Acura Stage area can cram in about 50,000 or more...it was certainly packed for Billy Joel and the buzz is that it may be even worse next Saturday for FM since the weather is supposed to be partly cloudy and 73 degrees...perfect day for a concert:blob2:

JohnL 04-29-2013 12:05 PM

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All I can say is this is so typical of this board. I dont even have to read the actual post...all I have to do is read the name of the person making the post and I can predict with about 98% accuracy if the post is negative and derogatory to Stevie or if it is how Lindsey is the genius and is the only life in the show. It is pretty sad actually....FM wouldnt be FM without them both and Mick and John. Leave your negative attitude at the door or just dont post here anymore.

With that said, I think I am just going to stay in lurker mode forever. Most of you people are just too pissy and mean spirited for me. Cya....

KarmaContestant 04-29-2013 12:09 PM

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but her versions of “Rhiannon” and “Sara” were so croaky and lifeless that she couldn’t have placed in the top 5 in a Stevie Nicks sound-alike contest.
:laugh:

:laugh:

Aw, poor Stevie.

HejiraNYC 04-29-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnL (Post 1090233)
All I can say is this is so typical of this board. I dont even have to read the actual post...all I have to do is read the name of the person making the post and I can predict with about 98% accuracy if the post is negative and derogatory to Stevie or if it is how Lindsey is the genius and is the only life in the show. It is pretty sad actually....FM wouldnt be FM without them both and Mick and John. Leave your negative attitude at the door or just dont post here anymore.

With that said, I think I am just going to stay in lurker mode forever. Most of you people are just too pissy and mean spirited for me. Cya....

...But there really is no point of having a discussion board if people aren't allowed to have dissenting points of view. Also, if you've posted only 404 times in 13 years, I think that means you're already pretty much a lurker anyway.

redtulip 04-29-2013 12:35 PM

Big Love


jbrownsjr 04-29-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 1090239)
...But there really is no point of having a discussion board if people aren't allowed to have dissenting points of view. Also, if you've posted only 404 times in 13 years, I think that means you're already pretty much a lurker anyway.

You just made me think of dissention... lol and dodo/lurker by Genesis

shackin'up 04-29-2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnL (Post 1090233)
All I can say is this is so typical of this board. I dont even have to read the actual post...all I have to do is read the name of the person making the post and I can predict with about 98% accuracy if the post is negative and derogatory to Stevie or if it is how Lindsey is the genius and is the only life in the show. It is pretty sad actually....FM wouldnt be FM without them both and Mick and John. Leave your negative attitude at the door or just dont post here anymore.

With that said, I think I am just going to stay in lurker mode forever. Most of you people are just too pissy and mean spirited for me. Cya....

Listen, dude, I just gave a comment about an officially released review. Don't accuse me of talking negative and derogatory to Stevie. The reviewer did. I just said that it is a review with observations that someone can make. It's not the first time that Lindsey is portrayed as the master of ceremony during FM liveshows, and that his energy saves their legacy in concert.

I bought tickets for two Amsterdam shows. Because I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan.

redtulip 04-29-2013 01:11 PM

Gypsy


TerraRhiannon 04-29-2013 01:42 PM

Great video of Lindsey and Mick playing Gypsy

I shouldn't have ever said Stevie is the main attraction at any FM show.. That was idiotic. Just for the record, Ledgies. I got a little passionate and protective of Stevie baby when I read that review.im over it :)

redtulip 04-29-2013 02:10 PM

Gold Dust Woman


shackin'up 04-29-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 1090207)


Yes... if by "oomph," you mean playing along to a pre-recorded backing track and giving the same canned speeches night after night. I think I'd much prefer a live experience that was, in fact, LIVE. Not some kind of hybrid version of "live." You get what you pay for.

Hey, you've got a point here. I hate those prerecorded tracks and speeches as much as you do, honestly. As much as I hate the fact that they play with a shadowdrummer. But, apart from that, it is not the oomph that I mean. He brings something else, and you know what I mean.

BrownEyedGirl26 04-29-2013 02:29 PM

I Love Your Post!!
 
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Originally Posted by JohnL (Post 1090233)
All I can say is this is so typical of this board. I dont even have to read the actual post...all I have to do is read the name of the person making the post and I can predict with about 98% accuracy if the post is negative and derogatory to Stevie or if it is how Lindsey is the genius and is the only life in the show. It is pretty sad actually....FM wouldnt be FM without them both and Mick and John. Leave your negative attitude at the door or just dont post here anymore.
With that said, I think I am just going to stay in lurker mode forever. Most of you people are just too pissy and mean spirited for me. Cya....



You took the words right out of my mouth! Personally, I respect them ALL but still am and always will be a STEVIE FAN for so many reasons. After all, she and only she was the one who caught my attention when I first saw the Rhiannon, Rosebud documentary, performance in 1975. After that one performance, I went out and bought the Buckingham Nicks album and that was the beginning of my fandom which has lasted up until the present! Maybe she was overly emotional at this concert because her ex husband Mr Kim Anderson was there, who knows? At least he cared enough to be there and that says a lot about Stevie's ability to create lasting relationships with all or most of her friends and family members! Sure it would be great if her voice was like it was all those years ago, I won't deny that, because that was the voice I loved and have loved all these years but time changes everything and everyone eventually. If I want to hear her voice the way it was all I have to do is play those recordings again, eg: "Forest Of The Black Roses", "Violet And Blue", "Blue Lamp", "Sleeping Angel", "Rock A Little", "Cathouse Blues", "Crystal", "Planets Of The Universe", "Doing The Best I Can",(I bet if she had the chance she could do a killer version of this right now just to let the naysayers know she still has a voice even if it's not the voice she is famous for), etc...! These words seem very appropriate right now, "The People, They Love Her But Still Their The Most Cru...el"

redtulip 04-29-2013 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BrownEyedGirl26 (Post 1090270)
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You took the words right out of my mouth! Personally, I respect them ALL but still am and always will be a STEVIE FAN for so many reasons. After all, she and only she was the one who caught my attention when I first saw the Rhiannon, Rosebud documentary, performance in 1975. After that one performance, I went out and bought the Buckingham Nicks album and that was the beginning of my fandom which has lasted up until the present! Maybe she was overly emotional at this concert because her ex husband Mr Kim Anderson was there, who knows? At least he cared enough to be there and that says a lot about Stevie's ability to create lasting relationships with all or most of her friends and family members! Sure it would be great if her voice was like it was all those years ago, I won't deny that, because that was the voice I loved and have loved all these years but time changes everything and everyone eventually. If I want to hear her voice the way it was all I have to do is play those recordings again, eg: "Forest Of The Black Roses", "Violet And Blue", "Blue Lamp", "Sleeping Angel", "Rock A Little", "Cathouse Blues", "Crystal", "Planets Of The Universe", "Doing The Best I Can",(I bet if she had the chance she could do a killer version of this right now just to let the naysayers know she still has a voice even if it's not the voice she is famous for), etc...! These words seem very appropriate right now, "The People, They Love Her But Still Their The Most Cru...el"

I was at the show and she didn't seem emotional at all. Where did that come from? I don't think the review said that either. She seemed to be in perfectly good spirits as far as I could tell.

elle 04-29-2013 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnL (Post 1090233)
All I can say is this is so typical of this board. I dont even have to read the actual post...all I have to do is read the name of the person making the post and I can predict with about 98% accuracy if the post is negative and derogatory to Stevie or if it is how Lindsey is the genius and is the only life in the show. .

:laugh::laugh: the following 2 posts immediately dispute your 98% accuracy right there:
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Originally Posted by gypsy333 (Post 1090224)
I saw 4 shows on the SYW TOUR...and I agree that I like Lyndsey's Voice on this Tour much better...I think he is doing some great vocals this tour...

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 1090221)
To Lindsey's credit, he sounds 100% better than he did ten years ago on the SYW tour. I was listening to SYW tour audio the other day, and Lindsey was off-key, growling, bellowing, etc. He must be doing something right!


BrownEyedGirl26 04-29-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by redtulip (Post 1090271)
I was at the show and she didn't seem emotional at all. Where did that come from? I don't think the review said that either. She seemed to be in perfectly good spirits as far as I could tell.

I only said "MAYBE"!! Okay, you were there but you don't know how she was feeling so you really can't comment about her emotions unless she confided in you. Just saying!:shrug:

elle 04-29-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 1090207)
playing along to a pre-recorded backing track and giving the same canned speeches night after night. I think I'd much prefer a live experience that was, in fact, LIVE. Not some kind of hybrid version of "live." You get what you pay for.

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Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 1090266)
Hey, you've got a point here. I hate those prerecorded tracks and speeches as much as you do, honestly. As much as I hate the fact that they play with a shadowdrummer. But, apart from that, it is not the oomph that I mean. He brings something else, and you know what I mean.

we all hate pre-set speeches, and he probably knows since he's been mixing them up lately and going off the cuff during some of them. especially during solo tours where he reacts to audience and changes around if some audience members are particularly persistent.

re backing tracks, let's be fair - he had backing tracks during only 4 songs, and 9-10 he was doing solo just him and his guitar.

(and his prices were anywhere between $25 and $200, depending on the venue so not sure which price are we talking about? plus we all know you don't get what you pay for with many many performers and you pretty much always get way more with LB :shrug:)

you all may not be into that, but i'd rather he does rocking songs with the backing track, than no rocking songs at all. and most everybody who did see him at his One Man Show was sold on his approach once they experienced the show and its intensity live. (but we've been through this discussion over and over.)

i guess you all want Tusk dropped from FM set too considering there is no Trojans anywhere in the arena other than background video? or maybe backing tracks would be ok during LB solo shows if he'd have a video of himself playing them as a backdrop? ;) :laugh:

redtulip 04-29-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BrownEyedGirl26 (Post 1090273)
I only said "MAYBE"!! Okay, you were there but you don't know how she was feeling so you really can't comment about her emotions unless she confided in you. Just saying!:shrug:

So why are you doing it then? Even if you say maybe, you're still making an assumption based off of nothing. I'm not even sure what her emotions last night have to do with anything. I didn't notice anything about her demeanor that was off last night, neither did anyone else as far as I can tell.

BrownEyedGirl26 04-29-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1090272)
:laugh::laugh: the following 2 posts immediately dispute your 98% accuracy right there:

I think what John meant was that he can predict which posters will reply negatively as soon as they get the chance. For example, someone with a name beginning with E!!

elle 04-29-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BrownEyedGirl26 (Post 1090277)
I think what John meant was that he can predict which posters will reply negatively as soon as they get the chance.

yup that's what he meant. and my post documents how wrong he was. ;) :cool:

HejiraNYC 04-29-2013 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1090275)
i guess you all want Tusk dropped from FM set too considering there is no Trojans anywhere in the arena other than background video? or maybe backing tracks would be ok during LB solo shows if he'd have a video of himself playing them as a backdrop? ;) :laugh:

Actually I would not mind if they did drop "Tusk" the way it is performed today, which is still "live" in the sense that it is played/triggered by a keyboard containing horn samples. I much preferred Christine on the accordian!

ShangriLaTroubl 04-29-2013 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 1090221)
To Lindsey's credit, he sounds 100% better than he did ten years ago on the SYW tour. I was listening to SYW tour audio the other day, and Lindsey was off-key, growling, bellowing, etc. He must be doing something right!

Agreed..I think they both do actually. He and Stevie did not sound good on that tour to me.

elle 04-29-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 1090281)
Actually I would not mind if they did drop "Tusk" the way it is performed today, which is still "live" in the sense that it is played/triggered by a keyboard containing horn samples. I much preferred Christine on the accordian!

you know, i really hated what Tusk has become live in 2000s. but SWS tour version was enjoyable again to me; and especially this 2013 version nestled between NTF and SOTM i think works nicely.

that said, how cool would it be if Christine would want to replace or add to the marching band recording with her accordion again at those London shows?? :] i did enjoy watching those old Mirage-era live versions and although they don't sound too spectacular in videos i've seen, the band, especially Lindsey and Christine, seemed to have had tons of fun playing it. :nod: :xoxo:

redtulip 04-29-2013 04:16 PM

I'm So Afraid


KarmaContestant 04-29-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by redtulip (Post 1090271)
I was at the show and she didn't seem emotional at all. Where did that come from? I don't think the review said that either. She seemed to be in perfectly good spirits as far as I could tell.

This reminds me of someone I used to drink with at a dive bar here in Denver. He always liked to tell me about all the emotional drama in Stevie's songs, and how she was just SO EMOTIONAL that songs had to be dropped from the setlist because she just couldn't bear to sing them anymore.

Because it hurts too much.

He was talking about Destiny Rules and Running Through The Garden. :laugh:

He was one of those fans who sees far more mystery, witchery and secret love in Stevie's songs than is actually there.

shackin'up 04-29-2013 04:45 PM

Eyes Of the World and Not That Funny have prerecorded voicetracks too. Very annoying.

michelej1 04-29-2013 07:14 PM

Lindsey's speeches really don't take up enough time in the setlist for me to care about them either way. It's not like they're Sardonic World. I think they're amusing and I don't mind needling him about them and finishing a sentence or two for him, but as long as he brings new energy to his performances every concert, I find it hard to get up in arms over the fact that we get a few minutes of cycles. Isn't that weird?

Michele

michelej1 04-29-2013 07:34 PM

Here are some pictures from the Daily Planet:

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/20...c-excel-center

michelej1 04-29-2013 07:37 PM

Twin Cities
http://www.twincities.com/music/ci_2...starting-sound

Fleetwood Mac review: Wait, this is starting to sound familiar
By Ross Raihala


[email protected]
Posted: 04/28/2013 12:01:00 AM CDT

Something felt rather familiar about Fleetwood Mac's Xcel Energy Center show Sunday, April 28, and it wasn't just the band's songs, which remain some of the biggest-selling, most widely known of the rock era.

Instead, it was the set list -- the very order in which the group played those songs -- that was secondhand news. Four-fifths of Fleetwood Mac's most famous lineup last headlined the downtown St. Paul hockey arena in March 2009, and Sunday they performed a whopping 17 of the same songs. Of course, with a band like this, there are hits they're always going to play ("Don't Stop," "Go Your Own Way," "Landslide"). But this wasn't just hearing the same old numbers four years later, but hearing them largely in the same sequence.

Just like in '09, "The Chain" led into "Dreams" early in the show and then "Big Love," "Landslide" and "Never Going Back" occupied the same three-song stretch at the midway point. And once again, the sequence of "I'm So Afraid," "Stand Back" and "Go Your Own Way" wrapped things up and opened the door for virtually the same encore, with "Say Goodbye" added to "World Turning," "Don't Stop" and "Silver Springs."

So what was different this time around? Well, most notably, Stevie Nicks was much more present and didn't let her energetic frenemy Lindsey Buckingham steal the spotlight quite as much (even though the crowd cheered at nearly everything he did). At 64, her voice has lost much of its power, but she still looks terrific and she seemed to be enjoying herself much more Sunday night than four years back.

Buckingham reportedly wanted to record a fresh disc for 2013, but Nicks couldn't get her act together in time. They did manage to work in one brand-new track, the upbeat and poppy "Sad Angel," and one number they dug out from the vaults, "Without You" (an unreleased snoozer from the pair's pre-Mac band Buckingham Nicks).

They also upped the total number of songs drawn from 1979's "Tusk" -- the expensive, Buckingham-led flop that derailed the band's career -- from three to four. In addition to Nicks' ballad "Sara" and Buckingham's monstrous "Tusk," they worked in "Not That Funny" and "Sisters of the Moon," with Buckingham taking the opportunity to once again harangue the crowd about the album's initial failure. (Dude, it's been 34 years. Let it go already!)

Beyond that, the band kept to the oldies, with the vast majority of the songs originally written and recorded in the mid-to-late '70s. It was a nice surprise to hear "Eyes of the World," a deep cut from 1982's under-appreciated "Mirage" album, although almost any one of the other album cuts from that era would've been a better choice. As always, Christine McVie was missed. She retired in 1998 and while she was always a distant third behind Buckingham and Nicks, her softer, more romantic songs lent the band a certain humanity they've been lacking in the years since.

vivfox 04-29-2013 07:50 PM

As soon as I saw this newspaper headline in my e mail, I thought of elle and how she would gleefully post it here and then run with it.

elle 04-29-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1090383)
As soon as I saw this newspaper headline in my e mail, I thought of elle and how she would gleefully post it here and then run with it.

Ross Raihala's? he had some funny tweets all evening. his review Michele posted above was not much different from his tweets, just not nearly as amusing.

MikeInNV 04-29-2013 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by redtulip (Post 1090195)
Yes, his fan base isn't as big, but without him they would not be getting the stellar reviews they've been getting. And as a Lindsey fan, on some levels I do wish he had a bigger solo fan base. But on the other hand, I can go to many intimate shows and see him solo without breaking the bank and always get a spectacular performance and excellent seats. I don't have to shell out $$$ and see the same tired performance she's been giving for years.

Sentiments like this seem to pop up periodically, which is puzzling to me. If you're not a Stevie fan, fine, but in 2011 she put out her most criticallly lauded album ever and in the two years that followed, her solo shows routinely included 6 of that album's tracks, with 3 others performed live at one time or another. Her performances weren't tired, and she didn't come across as a nostalgia act.

TrueFaith77 04-29-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1090396)
Sentiments like this seem to pop up periodically, which is puzzling to me. If you're not a Stevie fan, fine, but in 2011 she put out her most criticallly lauded album ever, and in the two years that followed her solo shows routinely included 6 of that album's tracks, with 3 others performed live at one time or another. Her performances weren't tired, and she didn't come across as a nostalgia act.

she released a f***ing masterpiece--and her best setlist ever.

if only she'd bring some of that verve to the mac. could u imagine this ep with at least one song worthy of Ghosts Are Gone!? (which, yes, might be her second greatest solo song EVER.)

vivfox 05-02-2013 10:04 PM

Sister's of the Moon
Complete song. It's jumbled in sound but what a fantastic performance!!!



RockawayBlind 05-03-2013 09:16 AM

LOL, this is an amusing thread. As a long-time FM fan, I see some things don't change. What has changed is the band's quality. I am sorry to say that even Lindsey's new stuff is rather dull, judging from the EP. Stevie has been phoning it in for three decades, so now she doesn't even pick up the phone anymore.

Both of these reviewers seem to hit some hard truths: One says Stevie is croaky and Lindsey steals the show. No surprise there. The other says the set list is rusty and uninspired. Again, no surprise.

What cracks me up is that people still take sides between Lindsey and Stevie, and a lot of the same old arguments come up. Both sides make good points. But the reality is neither Lindsey nor Stevie are stellar right now. Sure, Lindsey rips it up on stage, and Stevie still has a lot of the old witchy charm. But the band is stale, end of story.

On and by the way, I'll agree with the first reviewer about Lindsey's One Man Show. I didn't go to any shows, but what I heard and saw on YouTube struck me as way off. Lindsey missed the target by a wide mile on that one. What he should have done was leave the backing vocals, cheesy backing tracks and about two thirds of his guitars behind. Then take a guitar and stand -- or sit! -- in front of the mic and do quiet, introspective versions of old songs and play some new stuff.

But even Lindsey admittedly is flawed. SWS was tremendous, but the EP is lackluster, and the OMS was just him doing by himself what four guys generally have done. (Who cares? I've seen solo performers with a looper put on more interesting performances.)

As for IYD, yes, it was a good album. Better than anything Stevie has done since The Wild Heart, in my view. But the reason it got such a positive response was because most of everything else in between has been crap. So in comparison, good seems great. IYD isn't great, but it's damn good.

HejiraNYC 05-03-2013 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RockawayBlind (Post 1091219)
I didn't go to any shows, but what I heard and saw on YouTube struck me as way off.

I think that pretty much says it all. :rolleyes:


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