If someone has seen the show and wants to complain that's fine. But if they haven't seen it and are just going by what they remember from 2009, 2003 or 1997 or 1982 I don't consider the opinion valid anyway. I've seen them every tour since 1979 and, except for Time, I've seen them multiple times every tour (well, I haven't seen this one multiple times yet, but if I live long enough . . .) and I've never seen the same show twice.

And no, I'm not given to watching the same thing over and over again. Although I do think I've seen Purple Rain 15 times and I've seen I Want to Believe and Fight the Future many times as well. But those are exceptions. Usually I don't repeat. Anyway . . .

On the other hand, I don't agree with the "and you call yourself" a fan attitude. I see no reason to be gushy and gooey about anything too long. I would never belong to a fan site where all people do is sit around and sprout googly-eyed praise incessantly. I LOVE to complain. I will complain about anything. I don't want to be happy. I never will be. Maybe I'm not a Fleetwood Mac fan. Maybe I'm a detractor. Detractors need somewhere to post too. Fans should probably go some place where there's lots of love all around and Mary Tyler Moore is throwing her hat up in the air.

Michele

Great post - I love your sentiment! Now if only some other fans could understand, like you do, that some of us are a bit worn out on the same ole'. It doesn't make us any less of a fan than you are. We're just...burnt out, I guess. :o

*****

I think it's funny that, over the years, we've discussed so many aspects of the band on this board, with nearly gleeful abandon. Drug use, affairs, and infidelity. We've talked about how much we hate Stevie's shoes or her dress. How ridiculous Lindsey can be in interviews with his talk of 'cycles'. How much of a moocher Mick is. We've talked about how certain albums or songs are terrible, we've criticized lyrics, shamed them for not recording the demos we like, or for changing a song we liked into something we don't. We talk sh*t about how Judy Wong was treated, about Lindsey being an abusive jerk, about Stevie being a clueless narcissistic primadona. About Stevie putting cocaine in her butt, or having abortions. We've talked about who was screwing around with who and what a good or bad person they are because so-and-so was married. We routinely play games where we vote away songs we don't like. We've discussed songs that we wish had never been! Producers have been trashed - we've even said some admittedly terrible things about members of Stevie's family and Lindsey's wife.

But a tour setlist is off the table? A tour setlist is *too much*. Talking about the lack of an album or releasing new music? Over. The. Line. Not wanting to fork out money to see, essentially, the same tour as before, and before that - that is the final straw? That's SO NEGATIVE that it's enough to bring into question just how much of a fan one really is? Trashing Mick for greed, shaming Stevie for her footwear, publicly dicussing whose hotel room Lindsey was in - these are all ok, but the tour is off limits. Whatever.

For those who don't know or weren't around, this happens for every tour - solo or together as a band. There are always those who aren't content, and they talk about it, and inevitably there are those who just can't stand to read anything critical of Fleetwood Mac (or especially Stevie) when it comes to touring, and will point fingers and call you names for not being a yes-man. :shrug:

Marry me? :laugh:

Just kidding -I'm already married. And gay. :xoxo:

I was unhappy with the setlist in 2009, But I saw them twice, and, as a fan since the mid seventies, they blew my socks off. They never do what I want, and they always overwhelm me anyway. It's that electricity, and the combination of a priceless rythmsection with a sharp and endless energetic guitargod with this untouchable charismatic girlsinger, that somehow, when experienced live, always touch my soul. Whatever dumb choices they make, when you see them live, you just break at the anckles. (Dutch expression. Eh.. Mine anyway).

Wait! Whose hotel was Lindsey in???:laugh:

Michele

Yes, that bugs me the most. I didn't go online after the Columbus show, but some friends were reading out loud, some of the Ledgie reviews, and it drives me nuts. Go see 'em first, for cryin' out loud!

BOOM! With millions of fans it's unlikely any of us will get everything we want. I wanted more from Tusk this year, and I did get more, but not the songs I wanted most. But they were so good, it didn't matter in the least! I was joking with some friends that I didn't even notice until three songs in, that Lindsey wasn't wearing a different color shirt :p (like I wanted), because I was so immediately taken by the music, and the show, and just being there with awesome friends...at Fleetwood f'ing Mac!!!!

I like Abbi's post! I have similar story-but have been into them heavy duty since 82. For me, first show in 87-Tango, then SN/FM/LB everytime ever since! It wasn't until 2003 that I started REALLY seeing similarities at shows. I'd go see Stevie here and there for a 2 night stint and get that it would virtually be the same show, but w/ the SYW tour-I realized down to the talk between songs...it was the same thing over and over. Thing is OMFG, I was able to see FM, not once, twice but over a dozen times. Then the luxery/ability to see SN several times on one tour. Even as it was dawning on me that I am going to see the SAME thing night after night, city after city, for me, it's always been about the experience, friends made, and memories.
I too wish there would be some varience, and kinda kick myself in the ass when I go tour to tour knowing what I'm going to get. BUT I KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO GET, and if I didn't want that "menu" I wouldn't pay the money. I am blessed at opportunities to see Stevie, Lindsey, or FM. Yea, often times at ridiculous financial cost (ticket, travel, hotel), but I make that choice. (And yea, I get it...if we all got together and went on strike, maybe they woudn't come out w/ same stuff due to patrons like me...good luck with that :p)
Anyway, same w/ the board negativity-don't wanna hear people piss and moan, skip to next topic. It's all how we define our love for the band. Not a one of us can be completely happy, but when seeing them live, or constantly shelling out for the "new" Rumours, it kind of is what it is. :shrug:

Oh gosh. I recall some discussion - I think it must have been around the time of the SYW tour, and there were people who swear they saw Lindsey going to the hotel Stevie was in instead of the hotel he was supposedly staying in, or some such shipper nonsense. There was much drama and speculation and moral preaching about what Lindsey was doing, he's a role model, blah blah blah and I could swear there were Ledgie witnesses who saw him picking up a woman in a hotel bar when he was already married to Kristin. It was so long ago, I really don't remember the details, but it was heavily discussed. I want to say Strand would remember, but it was long before I even signed on here, back when I used to post only on BN.net, while lurking here.

Too bad that didn't happen in '81.

We most likely would've had a consistently working Fleetwood Mac ever since. ANNNNND, the occasional Nicks & Buckingham albums, too.

Fleetwood Mac, as a band, or as individuals, do not owe us anything. They are artists, and yes, they are a business as well. If they want to go out on the road and tour behind a 105 minute version of 'When I See You Again' (complete with never before heard intonations of 'Whasamadda Baby?') that is their choice.

I am a fan of Fleetwood Mac. I do not owe them anything either. I buy the music I want to, I go to the tours I want to see. It is a symbiotic relationship. I give them money when they make me happy. The great thing is that I will always have their music to cheer me up, console me, drive me, and keep me company on days I am lonely, even when they aren't putting out new music.

If you are not happy with the current direction of the band, the set list, or whatever, that's fine. Don't spend the money on it.

I realize places like this are great for venting frustration and what not in an anonymous fashion, but there is no reason to degenerate anyone, and that's what your Open Letter is, or at least that's how it reads. By all means, say that you are unhappy, but have some respect for the band, and some for yourself, for that matter.

Ha. Yes I know there is always nonsense like that swirling during a tour and I was just teasing with you. In truth, IDWTK. Michele

This makes it sound like everybody is always perfectly cool with us talking about all those controversial topics that you list in the first paragraph above. However, back when I posted here and on BN.net regularly from about 2001-2005, I remember there being just as much - if not MORE - drama and outrage in discussions on some of those topics than there is about the setlist/new music in these few threads! Methinks you're wearing some rose-colored glasses looking back on those old days, my friend, if you think "over the years" only these few tour threads have garnered such reactions.

And the closest thing I remember to a "Lindsey doing something naughty" moment back then was our discussion about Lindsey and a Cheetah Girl at the Four Seasons in Atlanta 2003.

Its very simple. Don't go to the concerts.

I agree with all of you on the stale setlist and no new tunes up to now.

I'll still go even if they play Dreams and Landslide for 2 hour in 20 different versions.LOL I know that will be boring for some of you but I would love to hear them sing the tune in different styles.

I would love to hear FM tunes in Bluegrass or countrified. LOL

I'm getting older .They are getting older.I want to continue to go as much as possible.

I've been on the FM bandwagon since the 1980's.I enjoyed every tour.

My open letter to the Mac:

Dear Fleetwood Mac,

You are my heart & soul. Since I was 5 I've been rocking out to your album "The Dance." Your music has touched me in ways nothing else has, ever. Long before I expanded my Fleetwood Mac catalogue, "The Dance'' was there for me. My lullaby.

I am so very thrilled you are doing this tour. This is the first time in my life I will be able to see you. #CanadaProbz. Stevie, you look smoking hot. Lindsey, you seem to be on fire. I don't need new music - I don't need a fancy tour name - I could listen to your voices and art all day and it could even be stand up comedy, for all I care.

When I first started listening to Fleetwood Mac, I thought you were a much bigger band than you are. I heard the marching band in "Don't Stop," and "Tusk," and believed all those players were FLEETWOOD MAC as well. I didn't realize that you were much smaller in the amount of members, but you'd be much larger in importance and significance of my life.

Thank you for doing what you do, tour after tour, for your fans. I'm elated I'm finally going to be able to see you, in only 7 days! :]

:laugh::laugh: Lame.. this is really how I feel though! ;)

After reading every post on this thread(which took a while!), I'm now too tired to respond. So I'll just quote two others! :cool:

I had so much to say after reading all this, I got physically and mentally exhausted as well. So I just focused on my own feelings and mustered the strength to write one. :P

I don't know if this was mentioned already--I apologize if it was-- but the artists mentioned in bold are all essentially solo artists with good backing bands. Dylan, Springsteen, and Petty (well, and Cash) are the unquestionable lead singers and front men of their respective bands. Without the front men, I doubt the bands would make a killing on their own merits. Whereas Fleetwood Mac, as we are all well aware of, has three songwriters who can easily stand on their own, which makes it that much easier for any of them to leave when they are the least bit frustrated with the group dynamic. With groups, as in any group projects (work, school, etc.), more time is needed to get important work done, especially when each individual is essentially represented by a different manager hoping to keep that individual's best interests in mind, both aside from the band and as part of the band (but only when sales are good for the band and worse for the individual). Given the circumstances, I don't know if I could ask for more aside from a few setlist changes. On the other hand, The Eagles: 7 studio albums (none in the '80s or '90s); The Mamas & the Papas: 5; The Velvet Underground: 5..try to think of some other bands with 2+ singer-songwriters that lasted while producing albums prolifically.

They most certainly do. Where would they be then?

I remember somebody posted a open letter in the Stevie forum awhile back .I cant recall who the username was but some of the info was shocking as I read it. And it was directed to her PR people.

Being new to the board, I am surprised at some reactions here. There seems to be a vibe that if you don't go see the shows, you should just shut up. I haven't seen a show and don't plan to. I can fire up my DVD player and watch practically the same show with "Live in Boston." And in the process I save a couple hundred bucks and avoid the crowds.

I have been careful, however, not comment directly on the shows because I haven't seen one, but I stand by my comments that FM is a musical collaboration that can't collaborate and that the band has grown stale. I also stand by comments I have made about the new songs. Granted, I may love them when I hear a studio recording, but what I have heard from the live recordings has been less than impressive. Sure, I wasn't there, but I can comment on what I've seen and heard on the Web, can't I? Or is that not valid?

Josh, this is why I rarely visit here anymore. Too many negatives.

Those were the good ol days!! How my 20 something self misses it, but my late 30 something self doesn't care for all the negativity anymore. I still troll here from time to time, though. Not pointing fingers at anyone, at all, but it is what it is... Their set list has to cater to the masses, and not a smaller group of diehards. I still love their shows. My daughter is 14 now and was finally able to join me tonight and she had an absolute blast! Because.... Their set list caters to the masses! She could sing along!

i feel the same as previous posts. it becomes tiresome to hear the CONSTANT complaints. is this a "fan" forum , or a "b*tch about their song/performance/records" forum. they are doing what they want. personally, i'm impressed with people in their 60's trecking out on a 50+ date tour, and i'm happy they are still at it. do we expect 64 yo Stevie to recapture a coke-addled 34 yo performance?
would promoters book a tour of b-sides, unrelesed tracks, and deep album cuts from a nostalgia act?
i'm certain they have to clear the set with promoters.

Dido! That said, although I was entirely ambivalent about their last tour, and felt no need to go, I am attending a show on this tour. You never know when the group could abruptly come to an end. But it's very disappointing that, at this later stage of their career, they are still playing it so safe and not taking the opportunities they have now to give life-long fans an entirely fresh show. But I understand there are certain constraints and conditions they have to abide by. However, it seems some bands have the freedom and a particular demographic/fan base that allows them to be very fluid with their set lists, where there are no expectations or limits.

I fully understand the sentiment that it is great they are still going in their 60's, they don't owe us anything, they are no more stale than any of their contemporaies, etc. It is all true. But for me, they are teetering on the brink of irrelevancy even though I have been a fan for my adult life and I am now in my 50's.

My problem is likely common to many fans and casual fans:

!. I have all the music they have created in various formats.

2. There is no new music for many years.

3. My attention strays, there is nothing to look forward to.

4. I start not caring.

5. I become cynical about tours like the current one.

you have to remember that most people going to the shows are not hardcore fans - they grew up with fleetwood mac and just mainly want to hear the greatest hits.

thats all most fans of old groups want.

i bet if you went into a arena and asked all of the people in there how many owned 'Say you Will' album from 2004 - it wouldnt be a large number.

also everything is about the $$$ nowadays. We are all capitialists.

as long as they get get people to spend $$$$ on tickets to go see them then maybe they dont have to try as hard, eg, new music, new photoshoots, etc, etc.

i am not saying it right but what can ya do?

you can vote with your feet and not go and see the new tour.

other then than there is not much you can do.

Despite the different thoughts around the negativity, we wouldn't be here if we weren't a hardcore fan, I have better things to do with my time, but the music of this band is a big part of my life so I choose to take part. Believe you me, it took me years to see the band through anything but my rose coloured glasses and music I thought was good in the 80's I now see for the sub-standard mess that it is, no apologies. There is nothing wrong with levelling criticism where it is due, even back in the day the band received some pretty scathing reviews and we still loved them. I think this article sums things up pretty well and reflects my message to the band that there are plenty of options to stay relevant other than these endless, stale, too-Rumours-heavy concert setlists designed to dig deep into our pockets. My view is that if I am to shell out that kind of cash, I want excitement!:

Fleetwood Mac Revamp — Five ways the iconic band could reignite the flame

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainmen...the-flame.html
By THOMAS CONNER [email protected] April 10, 2013 1:54PM, chicago sun times

The classic rock institution that is Fleetwood Mac has embarked on its umpteenth reunion tour this spring. The band isn’t supporting a new album.

Nevertheless, despite saying never many times, they’re going back again — and again and again, with 66 arena concerts scheduled around the world this year.

It’s hard to get excited about this go-round — even for me, a lifelong Mac addict undeterred even by the “Time” album. The biggest news out of the tour so far is that the band plans to perform “Sisters of the Moon,” a 33-year-old “Tusk” track.

Yawn.

The last time Fleetwood Mac toured the tambourines and scarves, in 2009, singer-guitarist Lindsey Buckingham told me that, even after all these years, it felt like “a proving ground.” But this time, even the band doesn’t seem exactly juiced about their jaunt.

“We know we’re going to do certain songs,” namesake drummer Mick Fleetwood said in a recent online interview, “and if we don’t do them, the audience will shoot us.”

“We always have to play ‘Dreams,’ ‘Rhiannon,’ ‘Don’t Stop,’ ‘Tusk,’ ‘Big Love,’ ‘Landslide’ and all our most famous songs,” Lindsey Buckingham told Rolling Stone. “For now, I have no particular vision of what this tour is going to be.”

Actually, guys, you don’t have to.

In fact, I call upon all Fleetwood Mac fans to join me in declaring: Lindsey, Stevie, John, Mick — we release you! Whatever social-setlist contract you think exists between us is officially now and forever nullified, voided, torn asunder. You are pardoned.

Please: Play whatever you want. Forgo the hits, play the misses. Play jazz, play bluegrass. Throw out the setlist altogether. Try improvising. Try failing.

Anything but this put-upon resignation to the slavish “demands” of your fans — because, frankly, it makes us all sound like jerks.

“2013 is going to be the year of Fleetwood Mac,” Nicks told Rolling Stone.

Here are five ways the Fleetwood Mac crew could announce a tour that would actually make a dent in the absurdity of that statement and once again activate my salivary glands:

1. Record a real Fleetwood
Mac album

“Say You Will,” the most recent Mac album, already is a decade old. The last new record the band actually wrote and recorded while generally in the same room with each other was “Mirage” in 1982. Since then, it’s been hijacked Buckingham solo projects (“Tango in the Night,” “Say You Will”), misfired lineups (“Behind the Mask,” “Time”) and greatest hits. The recently announced EP (due any day now) smacks of merch, not creativity.

Y’all need to hole up and jam. Not just the requisite two new songs (such as “Sad Angel” and “Miss Fantasy”), not another dredged-up B-side turned into a new A-side (“Silver Springs”), not a 37th anniversary repackage of “Rumours” — but a full studio set. If the members of this corporate board have the time for 66 unasked-for shows, you can stare at each other over a sound board again.



2. Scale it down

We get it, you’re huge. Every tour is an arena tour. The music has echoed around so much steel and concrete it’s stopped being songs and just devolved into mere momentary memory cues. Why not bring it down, focus the attention — play theaters?

Sure, you’ll boost the ticket price, but you can also loosen things up to make it worthwhile. Setlists could change up. (The play-an-entire-album trope might work here.) Unscripted banter could break out. (Maybe even a long-simmering argument.) Most of your fans could see you in the flesh, rather than on a video screen. (You’re not computer projections yet, are you?)



3. Bribe Christine

Christine McVie packed it in after the band was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1998, and though she’s attended a few Mac concerts since then she hasn’t joined the band on stage. Given the tone of comments from her mates — Nicks said the chances of Christine returning to the band were equal to an asteroid collision — we understand she’s probably a write-off. Retirement from rock should be respected and, in so many cases, encouraged.

But there’s hope. First, an asteroid did nearly plow into the planet a few weeks ago. Second, McVie actually joined Fleetwood and former Mac guitarist Rick Vito (and, for some reason, Aerosmith’s Steven Tyler) on stage in Maui just last February for a sporting run through “Don’t Stop,” playing keys and singing.

She’s this band’s leavening agent. Privately, you guys need her. Musically, so do we. To get just one more ridiculously great song out of her (even a “Temporary One”!), give her the moon to get her back.



4. Reboot Buckingham Nicks

The musical and certainly the personal dynamic between Buckingham and Nicks first clarified on the 1973 pre-Mac album as a duo; the “Buckingham Nicks” LP is now an industry legend, having never been reissued digitally. (Still no straight answer about why that is.) But for at least a decade now, both have been hinting at the desire to record again and tour just as the pair.

“We had already started our second Buckingham Nicks record,” Nicks reiterated in an interview last month at SXSW, describing the project that was dropped when Fleetwood Mac discovered her and then-boyfriend Buckingham and brought them into the band. Buckingham recently and repeatedly has voiced his interest in rebooting that aborted sophomore album — even saying late last year that some sessions had begun with producer Mitchell Froom.

So . . . do it already. Go even more intimate with the resulting tour (clubs!) to highlight your own unique bond. Two people, two guitars, no fuss.



5. An ‘us’ festival

Dave Grohl’s Sound City Players concert in March at SXSW was an enjoyable enough rock and roll revue, spanning generations. Nicks’ performance — dueting with Grohl and backed by the Foo Fighters — was surprisingly great. The Mac songs didn’t sound stale in a modern setting, and Nicks was more than capable of leading the bashing hard rock band with witchy panache.

So go the Ringo all-stars route — but with a larger scope and fewer track suits. Keep Grohl on board, call it Fleetwood Fighters & the Rolling Thunder Always Happens Revue! A half dozen shows across the country, on the Sound City Players model. It could be part reunion (guest turns from Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Billy Burnette, Rick Vito, Bekka Bramlett, Dave Mason), part intergenerational parade of pals (Tom Petty, Don Henley, Steve Winwood, Eric Clapton, Sheryl Crow, Matthew Sweet), part torch-passing (Buckingham can show off his new song with Delta Rae, Best Coast can roar through their magnificent cover of “Rhiannon”), part vaudeville (I’m seeing Chevy Chase on drums for “Holiday Road”). That’s almost enough all for everyone.

Great post. It certainly confirms that the views of those of us who are frustrated with the band aren't so outlandish after all -- not that we really needed confirmation.

I've already commented about the embarrassingly thin catalog and other problems, so I won't repeat myself. But it strikes me that FM and its fans have a bit of a battered wife syndrome going on. "Sure he beats me, but he is a good provider."

With the band, it goes like this, "Sure they disappoint the fans, take us for granted and blame us for their lack of commercial success, but they are still so great. They have the best 40-song catalog ever and, you know, they've had their own problems."

Some folks seem blown away that 60-plus rockers can still tour. No one's ever done it before apparently -- not the Rolling Stones, B.B. King and a long line of blues players. Not Clapton, Crosby, Stills and Nash and Aerosmith. Not Neil Young, Willie Nelson, Bruce Springsteen or Paul McCartney or ... or. Well, no one really! No one has ever rocked so hard into their 60s, or even 70s, as Fleetwood Mac.

Take the Stones. As old and crusty as they are, when they have toured in recent years, they still leave everything on stage. They change up the setlist, dig up old gems that we haven't heard in years, play covers, and Mick still shakes his ass on stage like there's no tomorrow while Keith, as he stands there doing his trademark drunk man guitar playing, still gets a huge kick out of watching Mick.

Sorry, folks this willingness to accept too little, and this attitude that "they don't owe the fans anything" (Wrong, they owe us EVERYTHING), is why I say the hardcore fans are like a battered wife.

Someone said FM is no longer relevant musically. Agreed. Someone else said maybe they should have packed up and shacked up in 1980 and be done with it. I am starting to agree with that too.

Uh..no, no they don't. They made the music and we bought it. They performed the show and we paid to see it. We paid money and they provided a product. They owe us nothing more.

If it's all about the commercial enterprise, you are correct. But if they want to be regarded as artists, they owe us more than that.

First of all, comparing fans to battered wives is insensitive and crass.

Second of all, they don't 'owe' us anything, and that mentality reads like the fans 'own' the band. It's a little 'Misery' to say the least. Artists of any medium need only to create, and they do that when they want to. We as a public have the right to patronize artists we choose to. I own albums, books, films, artwork that few others do because it's not popular. But it speaks to me. I also own albums, books, films, and artwork that is incredibly popular. It's Mass Entertainment, but it speaks to me as well.

I love Fleetwood Mac's music, and I would love for them to do a new album, and to tour behind it with a totally revamped setlist. However, if they choose not to, I do not feel betrayed by them. I just listen to the music I have and cherish the tours I went to. The only way to tell the band how I feel in a constructive way is to 'Vote With My Dollar.' I chose to sit this tour out because I just couldn't see paying the price they were asking for tickets. It doens't mean I don't like Fleetwood Mac anymore, and I'll be the first in line for the EP, and if they tour again, I may go.

But to say they 'owe' us anything is just plain unhealthy.

I'm usually complaining, too, but it does not matter really after all. When I see them in concert, I'm exited, I love everything they play, find each of them endlessly interesting to watch, love how they interact and basically worship the ground they walk on.

2003 was a bad year for me, but the FM concert, when I saw them again after 13 years made it so much better.

Today was my fathers funeral and I just know that in retrospect they will make the mess that is my 2013 by now better again.

So, if it is the same old setlist - then play on.

I certainly never remember anyone saying "you're a terrible fan" or "if you hate them so much why don't you go away" in any of those discussions. But it *always* comes up in setlist and tour discussions. You might be right about the rose colored glasses though, because, I tend to not actually participate in any sort of drama, once I realize there *is* drama.

Ah yes, Cheetah Girl. That's the one. :nod: Those were fun threads to read.

I'm sorry for your loss.

actually no. you can tell them that in person (if you have $400 and are willing to shell out for Mick seats, of course :p ). and Lindsey communicates with audience at their shows. he has by now at least somewhat of an idea what i think, i can tell you that (although he probably thinks i'll never be satisfied anyway). :shrug: not that they care, they are making their millions, with or without you or me paying for the tickets. there are plenty of people who want to hear legendary Fleetwood Mac. :shrug:

Thank you!

so sorry to hear.

and what you wrote is more-less exactly how i feel. i was really disappointed in Columbus when i learned what the setlist was. but then i heard Sad Angel... and how good Not That Funny sounded... and was terribly disappointed by barely any guitar on SOTM ... and was exhilarated by the performances with all the jumbo-tron backgrounds and the way they used those. and how good they still sound, and how happy that they are doing this they all seem, even though i really think they should change it up a bit more - especially Lindsey, should jazz up some of his guitar on SOTM and GDW for example. he looks bored out of his mind on those 2 songs... although i guess the man needs a bit of a break sometime during the show too. :laugh: :shrug:

I agree with most of what is said, but atleast they are still touring and sounding great. Iam only 25 and missed out on thier hey day. I will continue to see them and Stevie every time they tour and go out of my way for it. They really do have to play their hits and they do have a lot of hits! Thats why they still fill concerst. some of my friends might not know who does the songs, but they know them by heart.

Isn't paying for Mick's Meet and Greet, or talking to Lindsey at a concert 'Voting With Your Dollar?' You have to pay for that kind of access, even if it is front row seast at a show.

I, personally, chose not to attend this tour because they had not (and still have not) released any new music, much less a new album. I guess that is just a quality that makes me feel invested in an artist.

I have not doubt that I missed a great show that I would have treasured. But I don't regret it at all.

-John