Isn't that everyone's relationship status? :laugh:

I've always felt they were like sister and brother personally and wrote the best music of FM. They spent a lot of time on Tusk, Mirage, and TITN together. Their vocals together are amazing, the co-writes are creative, and the overall sound they produce is wonderful.

The world could use more Buckingham/McVie and less Buckingham/Nicks.

Exactly. They are so ridiculously compatible with each other musically, and it shows in their work. Wish they would record something in the present time because both of them now have this rich, aged tone in their voices which can be a really great blend today. Tango in the Night is especially a very fruitful album for this pair.

Yes, more Buckingham/McVie please. :nod:

I would be interested to see how the Buckingham/McVie collaborative process differs from B/N. I doubt there would be any "You wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan" exchanges, but I'd imagine potential points of conflict being between what's "good" and "good enough" in each track's development.

With Lindsey and Christine on the polar opposite ends of the "traditional vs. experimental" spectrum, there is bound to be conflict. They're also both notorious perfectionists, which means they would probably take a long time to polish one track.

Yes, I think along those lines. Lindsey said something like their formative years taking them down the same path (parallel lines) even before they ever met and I feel that. Of course, I go a little off the deep end when I think of things like that and when he says that his mother signed him up for piano lessons and he wasn't interested I think to myself, "well, that's because you didn't have to be. There was already a piano out there for you, somewhere."

John once said, of all of them, that they were like sisters and brothers, a family, even if they don't see each other often, and it sounds like one of those polite things that a band member might say, but I actually took him at his word and believe that as a valid description.

And I don't even mean that in the lovey dovey way, but more in the inexorable, "I'm stuck with you, like it or not" kind of way. That person is always going to be part of my identity, even if they're kooky and maddening and my feelings for them are unconditional -- even if I'd like to hate them.

Michele

As for Stevie/Lindsey v. Lindsey/Christine, I'm very much a prodigal son type of person. I want most, what's lost. I've lost Christine and I want her back to feel whole. So, I kill the fatted calf for her and of Stevie and Lindsey I just think, "Oh them. They've already eaten.":laugh:

But I love Stevie and Lindsey together very, very much. I just really prefer the 5 of them over Stevie, Lindsey, John and Mick any day of the week.

Michele

The band is a crazy, dysfunctional family, there's no going around it.

Yes, all 5 of them is better than four of them with one missing. Though I do wonder what would happen with a Fleetwood-McVie-McVie-Buckingham lineup though.

I agree.. that magic is less potent with just 4... and we've eaten the SN/LB meals over and over (pun intended)... time to have LB/CM or CM/SN with our potatoes.. :laugh:

mmm, sounds yummy.

Actually that's one more thing I wanted to see with the band, generally speaking - more collaborations with regards to songwriting.

I remember during Mirage interviews with Christine, she was talking about more interaction of writing. And her singing LB or SN tunes, and vice versa. I guess Hold Me was one of those examples.. And Straight Back, you get a lot of Christine.. Those are my fav. moments..

One of my favorites in terms of harmonies that demo of Oh Daddy with Stevie harmonies. That was fabulous. Wish Stevie and Christine wrote at least one song together, though.

Okay, so I had a rather huge Christine/Lindsey kick today and posed a question on my Tumblr about what can happen if Stevie retired after The Dance instead of Christine. Here's my take on it:

Studio wise, I’d be highly interested where this would go because Lindsey and Christine work extremely well musically (Lindsey’s strengths are Christine’s weaknesses, and vice versa) and there won’t be as much “competition of egos” in the would be album.

This is going to take a huge blow in a live setting, however (because, ya know, Stevie gets butts in those seats). Stevie is basically a whole ‘nother level personality and presence-wise even when she isn’t twirling as much as she did before. And while Lindsey is an animal in stage, Chris isn’t exactly known for her stage presence so there’s the possiblity for it to turn into the Lindsey Buckingham show, with the kickass rhythm section (but maybe Chris would step into the frontline enough for this not to happen).

If you’re going to ask me if I’d see them in concert, if given the opportunity, hell to the yes. Especially since this most likely means smaller, more intimate venues that mean they could flex their artistic muscles more and be more flexible with setlists.

Honestly, though, from what I can interpret from various material from the SYW era about the musical relationship between Stevie and Lindsey, the Buckingham/C. McVie combo would most likely be talking more than fighting.

I think it could have worked in 1987, when their new music was still relevant and the band name had more weight as creative (not oldies) unit. "Rumours" wasn't always brought up in interviews, and was definitely not the main focus of the interviews if it was brought up. Christine and Lindsey were at the top of their games on "Tango," but Stevie was pretty rough. "Tango" would have still been a hit without Stevie. I think Fleetwood Mac looking and sounding good and Stevie Nicks not so much would have made the parting of ways understandable in the public's eyes and the band could have survived. They would have had to continue ONLY as a quartet, though.

Today, the band is mostly synonymous with Stevie, and they've been playing up the drama of "Rumours" and the Stevie-Lindsey relationship for so long that I just don't see it working now without Stevie. But, I don't think Christine or Lindsey would want to do a project without her at this point.

Yes, I'd definitely see them in concert, but what kind of venues would they be playing? Without Stevie, they aren't going to sell arena tickets. Which is fine -- for focused fans we'd probably get better music, if they played smaller places. I didn't get to see Christine's show live in 1984, but I do have the video album and it does tend to wane. It would be interesting to see if she and Lindsey could combine to do something more exhilarating than that on stage by themselves.

But really my wish is that Christine just record with the band (if she does, Stevie will too, automatically, but I'm not interested in whether Stevie records with them, any longer if Chris is there) and then Lindsey and Stevie tour. Best of both worlds. One DVD with Christine would be nice, but I'm not asking for her to go on the road again. It could easily work with her just recording. Stevie performing live. No need to play newly recorded Christine songs in concert.

Michele

I think if she recorded with them, she might be interested in doing 5 shows in big cities to promote the album and DVD. It could be quite lucrative for them.

Somehow, I wish that happened during Tango instead of Lindsey leaving them in a lurch like that. Because I made a playlist of Tango replacing all of Stevie's songs with some B-Sides, and it makes for a better album. Rumours is a double-edged sword, isn't it? While without that album, they wouldn't have made it big, that album also stifled them creatively especially in the recent years. Those turmoil happened god knows how many years ago, and it's hard to recapture the magic now since they're all in different places in life.

Arenas are definitely out of the question, there's not going around it. I'm imagining theaters, or clubs. Theaters are especially nice since even if they need to charge a bit more (but not as much as now, probably) they could make up for that with better music and a more eclectic setlist. I'm sure Lindsey or even Chris to a certain extent wanted to play some of those tunes that hardly or even never saw the light of day on stage (honestly speaking I have an aversion towards large venues regardless of artist. so much stimulation around).

But a new album with the five of them is more than enough to make me happy, regardless if Christine wants to tour or not.

They can do a short tour (not more than 30 dates worldwide. maybe Christine can do like 5-10 of those dates, dunno if she's willing to do more), do a DVD of three complete concerts with three different setlists (greatest hits, new album, deep cuts) coinciding with a new album, release them, and kaching, kaching, kaching. That way, they get to promote stuff, give fewer performances of greater quality (saves their voices and their bodies), and Christine does not have to travel/fly much. The trade off is that less people get to see them, but if we get complete concerts, that can more than make up for it. Maybe they can throw in some backstage footage if they so choose.

Maybe a mix of venues would be nice too. Not digging the all-arena venues of this tour.

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^Mmmmm. Nice hair and is her other hand nestled beneath Lindsey's, covered in the crook of his elbow?

Michele

Well, at one point she definitely had a crush on him, and recently admitted that 'Over My Head' was a tribute "to the gorgeousness that was Lindsey". I don't know how long that crush lasted, but they've always seemed fond of each other, and she's the only person who Lindsey took seriously on a musical level. "Had I gone there I probably would have been over my head" lol love her.

What?

Elle's pictures are contributing to the madness of this forum.

Evidence seems to point in certain directions. I loved that he jumped in her limo and drove around with her on, The Dance. :D

Lol I didn't mean to insinuate anything deeper than just the simple fact that back in the day, they seemed to get along (on a musical level anyway) For the most part she seems to be the only one who Lindsey took seriously as an artist. In his words "Christine and I have a common foundation, we have a very similar musical and melodic sense in many ways so that we could jam and it would just spark off. She would play around me and I would play around her"

I didn't know that! He probably tried harassing her into staying with the band :laugh:

Christine has said that he did

That's very interesting, because Lindsey said just the opposite.

Here's his quote:

GWA So the pieces were fitting back together again - but evidently Christine wasn't part of the equation anymore. What happened?

BUCKINGHAM When we were touring behind The Dance album, you could see that Christine wasn't very happy on the road, When it got to the point were making a decision about doing more dates - going to other places in the World and then maybe coming back and doing more stuff in the States - she really just pulled the plug. She didn't want to do it, And I have to say, I was maybe the one person who wasn't giving her a hard time about that, because in some ways I was ambivalent about being up there too, for different reasons. I had once again put something of mine on the shelf and been sucked back into the black hole of Fleetwood Mac. At some point, for my own desires, I wanted to get back to the body of work that is now the new Fleetwood Mac album, but at the time appeared to be a solo album. I didn't want that to languish forever. So I understood her need to do what she wanted to do, even though she was being pressured to continue. In some ways, I probably helped enable her to make that decision, which didn't exactly make me very popular at that time. But she just had to pull out; the same way I had to in '87. There was a kinship between us in terms of having to make a decision for your own survival. With the band coming back without her, you could say, "Oh, there's a large piece missing" and in some ways there is. But it also opened up new possibilities for setting an overall tone for the album.
I think it allowed us to make, certainly, a much ballsier album, and allowed Stevie and myself to at least begin rediscovering our dynamic as a two-part vocal group. Now, I don't think that's so well represented on the new album, because a lot of the stuff that's mine was already set, and a lot of her songs were already written along certain lines as well. When we do this again - and I hope we do, in a year or so - and we write songs from the ground up, I hope we do them as two-part harmony songs. So, really, there's been a whole realm that's opened up by virtue of Christine not being here.

Christine stated that he wanted her to do Europe and Australia after the US 40 date tour.

I'm don't doubt that he did or that she said that. I tend to believe what Christine says. I was just pointing out the he said/she said dynamics in the band that is always there.

I accidentally posted this in the ken's book thread. I apologize to anyone who a reads it over there too.

Anyone else read whatever articles that said Lindsey was being a bitch about Christine coming back he said "she can't just come and go" or something like that. He quit the band on pretty bad terms back in 87-88 and he was welcomed back ten years later and he's going to be the butt hurt one about Christine coming back. Or maybe it has something to do with Christine retiring not long after Lindsey came back, but they did do the dance tour before Christine left.

I don't think their versions are mutually exclusive. I mean, Lindsey's position might not have been static, but evolving instead.

I also think that they all thought if they just gave her a little time off, let her breathe, that she would change her mind and come back. And she did. It just took a few more years than they believed it would.

But I could see Lindsey trying to convince her to stay, then seeing that it might backfire if he pushed too hard and supporting her "survival move" and then when she didn't return after all, he was upset.

Michele

Yeah, I totally believe they go back and forth. Thanks for posting, I had not seen that quote before.

There was a pretty long thread about this subject a few months ago, you might want to look at.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=52693

of course, then towards the end of the year Christine's and Lindsey's new radio interviews came out, and completely reversed all the speculations stemming from that article. apparently they are both more than happy to be working together again.

Not sure if I agree it evolved...I know Lindsey comments regarding Christine in the past were a little sharp, but that's the way he talks. Depending on his mood at the time he's being interviewed he can be very blunt and not pull any punches or be very philosophical and sweet. It's just the way he is, it's the way he's always been.

I know a lot of fan think Lindsey was or is mad at Christine because she left the band in 97 but I don't see it that way.

I agree that the band members thought if they let Christine go she would eventually come back and I think that's one of the reasons it took so long for them to get back in the studio to record SYW, but all in all I don't think Lindsey was THAT upset. He had his own personal issues to deal with at the time. He was with Kristen and had just found out she was pregnant, He had his own solo work that was just sitting in the studio collecting dust, and if Stevie's lyrics in "Thrown Down" are to believed..."He fell for her again, she watched it happen" So I feel like he had enough stuff keeping him busy behind the scenes, without having to add the worry of if Christine was leaving the band or not.

I don't think he wanted the band to splinter again, so soon after they had reconnected in 97, and I think he probably DID want the band to tour Europe so he could make more money (raising a kid isn't cheap) but all in all I don't think he would have been that mad at Christine for leaving or even stayed mad at her for any length of time. Especially, when he did the exact same thing in 87.

Of course they are :D. Lindsey just didn't want Christine coming and going and stealing all his thunder. Now that he knows she's going to be a permanent fixture in the band he's more than happy to work with her again because they are very creative together..:blob2:

This members of this band revise and re-revise their history so much that it's really hard to know who to believe (and I'm sure everyone had a different opinion), but in order of believability for me it kinda goes like this:

1) John/Christine
2) Lindsey
3) Mick
4) Stevie

Yes, depending on his mood. In my view, his mood was scorned. There are things Lindsey says when he's angry that he doesn't when he's not. He can be blunt, but he exercises diplomacy. Just as we've seen with Stevie, he says some things when he's not trying to ingratiate himself with her that he wouldn't when he is.

If he wasn't bitter when Christine left, I don't think he would have made some of the comments that he did. And I interpreted his comments the same way I interpreted hers about him after he left.

It doesn't even matter if they felt the comments are true or not. My point is, they wouldn't say them if they weren't a bit angry, even if they'd always believed them secretly. Both Christine and Lindsey seemed to exhibit "sour grapes" behavior in the wake of the other's departure.

It's like Stevie saying that she and Lindsey let it all out in 1987, everything they'd held back in case they might get back together was thrown out in the big fight. I think jabs were made when Christine left that said to me that he wasn't as happy to have 30% more room as he kept saying he was.

Plus, I think the vibe felt like even Stevie was a little miffed at Christine for awhile. There was a petulance, 'well, if that's what Christine wants, that's what she gets'. A sense that everyone felt a little rejected.

Michele

Rejected, or miffed at the lost business opportunities? I suspect a bit of both.

Well, when the Dance ended, I think they were thinking of the lost money. They could have gotten millions if they'd toured in 1998 and I think they were all cognizant of the financial waste. But then years passed.

By 2003 they were still planning a big tour and I don't think any promoter told them they would get less money because of Christine's absence. So, no I don't think they were worried about the loss revenue so much. I think they just couldn't believe she would stay away from them and that her wanting out wasn't a passing phase. I think it was more personal than monetary.


Michele

That should not have been a surprise. She quit touring in 1990, and made it known why she was sick of it. Some of her songs on "Time" made it clear she was "music'd out". If they could not see that her presence in the band was limited, then they were fools. It seemed obvious to me, and I'm guessing a lot of other people who were paying attention, that she was just going out on top. And who could blame her for that?

However, that Billy Burnette was on ITM only strengthens the argument that Christine wasn't as upset about the band's personnel choices as she was just sick of touring. Stevie and Lindsey shouldn't flatter themselves so much, and Mick and John should have known better