Originally Posted by Nico (Post 848339)

Hmmm...nah, I think she kinda digs him for real. And he appears to care less unfortunately.:shrug:

(But look, if you asked me...idratherhavelindseybuckingham"stillinlove"withmethanthatfuglycreatureanyday,eventhoughjoewalshisagreatmusicianandihaveallhisalbums)

Originally Posted by Nico (Post 848331)

I think she says that "love of your life" crap so Lindsey doesn't think she's still pining over his happily-married ass. She'd be singing a different tune if it were a different circumstance, I guarantee- that is, she'd either be bitching about his "darkness" or saying how amazing he was. Either/or or just simultaneously, but Joe Walsh would be a mere speck.

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 848298)

I honestly now really understand why Christine left. It's because you had to be drunk and all coked up to deal with these people. She probably sobered up and couldn't deal with them. They sound like morons in these interviews and I get annoyed just reading them. Imagine touring a whole year listening to these two...

We loved Say You Will, we hate Say You Will, I'm not touring ever again without Christine, I'll tour without Christine. We got along really well during SYW, all we did was fight during SYW. Sheryl Crow is joining the band, Sheryl Crow isn't joining the band. We have eight more years in us, I don't have enough time to eat a meal and I'm exhausted.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 848198)

“I’m a performer and an entertainer, that’s what I live for. I would be dancing on tables in bars if I wasn’t in Fleetwood Mac, doing small shows all over the world, driving my van.”

Originally Posted by LikeAWillow (Post 848347)

Bingo. For all her talk of his undying love for her, his life and marriage seem perfectly stable, while her bitterness grows each year. How many times have we heard that it was always a competition between them? She needs something (or someone) to show us that as happy as he looks, she's still winning.

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 848298)

I honestly now really understand why Christine left. It's because you had to be drunk and all coked up to deal with these people. She probably sobered up and couldn't deal with them. They sound like morons in these interviews and I get annoyed just reading them. Imagine touring a whole year listening to these two...

We loved Say You Will, we hate Say You Will, I'm not touring ever again without Christine, I'll tour without Christine. We got along really well during SYW, all we did was fight during SYW. Sheryl Crow is joining the band, Sheryl Crow isn't joining the band. We have eight more years in us, I don't have enough time to eat a meal and I'm exhausted.

Bottom line... WE NEED YOUR MONEY!!

Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 848368)

lol....great assessment, I've had the same thought myself. I could just imagine Chris sitting there, listening to this crap, giving a slight glance in John's direction while rolling her eyes about these two. The older they get, Lindsey takes 500 words to get across one point and Stevie is basically just bitchy all the time. It would be refreshing to just hear:

LB: You know, she's a bitch, I don't really even like her, but we need each other to be successful (i.e. make money).
SN: Yeah, he's a real asshole, he's been mean to me forever, but we need each other to be successful (i.e. make money).

Originally Posted by CADreaming (Post 848369)

I agree with you to an extent. But, they don't need each other to be successful.

Originally Posted by Kayt1234 (Post 848373)

Ugh, I sometimes wish Stevie would stop, take a breath and THINK about how she words things. I honestly don't think she means to be condescening or arrogant or ANYTHING...I think she really doesn't word her thoughts correctly (which is so ironic seeing what a great writer is). I think when she said that about Lindsey, I really believe that she meant it positively. That a wonderful thing ABOUT him was how he loved her.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 848198)

As their cocaine addiction spiralled out of control in the early Eighties, though, Walsh reluctantly left her for both of their sakes. Now she muses: “Maybe the people you can live best with aren’t the great love of your life; the men you love deeply, the calmer, more loving, more solid people but who you weren’t super passionately crazy in love with. The ones to marry aren’t the ones as crazy as you are.”

Originally Posted by Amlyn (Post 848389)

I also wonder if the author just pulled the "Joe is the great love of my life" stuff from older interviews just to try to tie it to this quote which appears to be more recent given the phrasing.

Originally Posted by daniellaaarisen (Post 848391)

I hope so. Whatever portion of my faith in her that was lost because of this interview will be partially restored.

Originally Posted by Amlyn (Post 848389)

Ok, help me out. What point is she trying to get across with this quote? Is she talking about Joe or Lindsey here? Both perhaps? Not that I'm surprised but the whole thing seems to be a contradiction within itself. Anyone care to try to intepret this Steviespeak?

Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 848402)

I don't think she's talking about Joe or Lindsey there. She says things were always volatile with Lindsey and they were with Joe too. Both of these men went on to forge long lasting relationships, but with women who were different from them and different from Stevie. I think Stevie is saying maybe that would have been the key for her as well.

So, I think she's talking about Carl the nebbish accountant who really loved her, but whom she just wasn't that into. Maybe she realizes that that's who could have brought her the most happiness. Not the heart-soaring highs and lows, rage and desire, but the day in and day out contentment. The nurturing, "normal" family life. He could have steadied out her rock star urges and with him and his horn-rimmed glasses she could have found peace and balance. But it was never to be.

Michele

Originally Posted by Nikolaj (Post 848425)

" I didn't like the songs" is the quote that's staying with me, some 8 hours after having read the article. She didn't say "I didn't like my songs"- I have a feeling she did like her songs, 'Silver Girl' and all. Yet, she didn't come out and say "I didn't like Lindsey's songs on SYW" but I think that may be closer to the truth.
Regarding some of the comments here about 'Tusk'- it was as early as 1986 when Stevie said that she did like the album. The famous Australian interview- with Molly somebody (a guy) and she said something like "I liked that album a lot and even liked Lindsey's songs on it a lot, which is what most of the criticism was about"-- she also commented she thought it was an album that could take a long time for people to 'get' but that eventually, in their quiet, alone, time, there'd be a lot of people who would really appreciate 'Tusk' and she was glad they made the album. Stevie then sang a smidge of 'Walk A Thin Line'- one song of LB's that I totally love (there are others) and it would be heaven to hear her do the song completely.

Originally Posted by RockALittle250 (Post 848310)

With reports that Fleetwood Mac are planning a new record in January of 2010, touring for another 7 to 8 years, and hopefully putting out another record in between that, I am more and more convinced that Stevie is doing exactly what Gwen Stefani is doing, and that is, leaving her solo career behind.

Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 848402)

So, I think she's talking about Carl the nebbish accountant who really loved her, but whom she just wasn't that into. Maybe she realizes that that's who could have brought her the most happiness. Not the heart-soaring highs and lows, rage and desire, but the day in and day out contentment. The nurturing, "normal" family life. He could have steadied out her rock star urges and with him and his horn-rimmed glasses she could have found peace and balance. But it was never to be.

Michele

Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 848428)

I think Stevie liked her songs, but think that someone else could have done a better job with them. I mean, we all love Thrown Down, but I think she thinks it could have been better. Then, there are songs like Smile at You where many people say her demos were better. She probably thinks they were too.

I think she probably was unhappy with the album all along. I wouldn't say she looks proud as punch in Destiny Rules. In fact, I'd say that she probably heard what he did with her old songs, while she was on tour, didn't like it and that's why she wrote 4 new songs at breakneck speed. But even though Lindsey bears the brunt of all of her unhappiness with SYW, probably he's only really responsible for a part of it.

Originally Posted by CADreaming (Post 848450)

:laugh::laugh: Alas, Destiny does Rule.




Since when does she think someone else could have done a better job with her songs? This part just baffles me. I mean, Petty says he thinks LB is her best producer...she was falling all over herself wanting LB to work with her again...so why does she feel this way about the SYW songs? I am having a hard time justifying this line of thinking. Are we saying that Lindsey's "lost his touch" - or just with her songs?

Originally Posted by CADreaming (Post 848450)

Am I the only person who likes SYW?? :lol:

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 848457)

Stevie's solo career is mired in bad, cheesy production. In the past, Lindsey had mastered the pop form that Stevie aped in the 80s albums.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 848463)

But on songs like "Smile at You," which was pretty great to begin with, I think he could have dialed back the vocoders and Pro Tools a notch and employed a simpler, sparser sonic field. Not to say that it was all bad- I think the production on "Destiny Rules" was perfect, as well as "Thrown Down." But two or three good songs out of ten (Stevie) songs is not a good batting average.

Originally Posted by Black_Moon (Post 848469)

I think the material on Say You Will is a lot better than what most people are giving it credit for. Sure, I disagree with some of the production approaches -- particularly on the likes of Smile at You and Silver Girl (the latter of which I hate anyway, but the production makes it worse).

I think Stevie had some amazing songs on the album though, the likes of Illume, Running Through The Garden, Destiny Rules, Thrown Down and Everybody Finds Out (which I also find slightly over-produced but still love).

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 848463)

I don't know how you can say something like that without looking at all pop music in context. Face it: the 1980's was cheesy (especially 1984-onward). And in that vein, Rock a Little was an artifact of its time, whereas Wild Heart and Bella Donna were less so.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 848463)

And I don't know how you could possibly state that Stevie aped Lindsey when she was the first FM member to embrace that modern 80's sound in 1985. If anything, Lindsey was the one who aped Stevie with TITN in 1987. And TOSTM doesn't sound a thing like TITN- if anything in some ways it just picked up where RAL left off.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 848463)

Yes, Lindsey's approach has evolved... but in his case, I don't think evolution is necessarily a good thing. He has been on a musical journey, surely. But I think his style has become a bit too heavy-handed and forced. What I loved about albums like Rumours and Tusk was that they were rough yet effortlessly polished at the same time. And even when a song was very heavily produced, e.g., "Sara" or "You Make Loving Fun," there was something very warm and organic about it. In recent efforts, it seems like Lindsey was just digging through his electronic bag of tricks and trying to use every effect he can throw at a song. For me, the results are not "cutting edge" as much as they are cold and mechanical. Rather than complementing the songs, his production tends to overpower the songs. Yes, one could argue that perhaps the material on an album like SYW was so weak that it needed a lot of heavy-handed production. But on songs like "Smile at You," which was pretty great to begin with, I think he could have dialed back the vocoders and Pro Tools a notch and employed a simpler, sparser sonic field. Not to say that it was all bad- I think the production on "Destiny Rules" was perfect, as well as "Thrown Down." But two or three good songs out of ten (Stevie) songs is not a good batting average.

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 848472)

And on Stevie's songs, all of which are good-to-great on SYW, I feel he makes them even greater; or, rather, allows them to achieve their full potential in ways she NEVER has as a solo artist.

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers (Post 848474)

wow, really? really? idk.

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 848472)

And on Stevie's songs, all of which are good-to-great on SYW, I feel he makes them even greater; or, rather, allows them to achieve their full potential in ways she NEVER has as a solo artist.

Originally Posted by CADreaming (Post 848450)

Since when does she think someone else could have done a better job with her songs? This part just baffles me. I mean, Petty says he thinks LB is her best producer...she was falling all over herself wanting LB to work with her again...so why does she feel this way about the SYW songs? I am having a hard time justifying this line of thinking. Are we saying that Lindsey's "lost his touch" - or just with her songs?

Am I the only person who likes SYW?? :lol:

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 848477)

I have to disagree vehemently! I happen to think John Shanks, based on his work on TISL, was by far Stevie's best producer. Yes, his production style is also very heavy, but it is also very sympathetic to the material. Rather than having weird sound effects and gizmos popping up in random places, Shanks created an entirely otherworldly soundscape that was the perfect accompaniment to Stevie's otherworldly vocals and imagery. I think "Planets of the Universe" is a masterpiece in Shanks' hands, especially when you consider that skeletal little piano demo that Stevie recorded in waltz time; I don't think Lindsey would have even begun to know what to do with it. And I believe reading somewhere that "Fall From Grace" had been attempted as a Fleetwood Mac song, but neither Lindsey nor Sheryl were able to do anything with it. I'm not denying that Lindsey has been able to turn coal into diamonds, e.g., "Dreams," but I think his recent work on Stevie's songs were more about Lindsey putting his signature on her songs than about realizing the full potential of the song.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 848477)

It would be interesting to see what a non-Lindsey-produced FM album would sound like, especially if it is produced by a younger producer who grew up listening to Rumours. It could either be disgustingly, superficially retro or it could be a deconstructed, potent distillation of everything we love about FM.

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 848198)

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Sunday October 18,2009

IN A frank interview, the Fleetwood Mac star tells CHARLOTTE HEATHCOTE about sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll and how, despite being battered by all three, she's emerged stronger than ever.

Fleetwood Mac are as famed for their in-fighting, feuds and messy, almost incestuous inter-band romances as for Go Your Own Way, Don’t Stop, Everywhere, The Chain and countless other adult-oriented rock songs that have seen them shift more than 100million records.

Stevie Nicks, however, makes absolutely no attempt to put a shiny PR gloss on the legendary tensions.

“We did our first tour and we were p***** off with each other then. We made another record [Rumours] and we were all angry with each other afterwards. We did Tusk and that was 13 months of anger. We did an 18-month tour and by the time that was done everyone was really not speaking...”

She’s half-weary, half-wry. “It’s really nothing new. It’s been happening since time began but if this was a bland, boring band we’d definitely not still be together.”

Stevie and her then-boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham brought a stability of sorts to the shape-shifting line-up of Fleetwood Mac in 1975, joining Mick Fleetwood, John and Christine McVie.

Christine left 11 years ago, ground down by relentless touring, and Stevie misses her ally “every day”.

The other four remain a unit, on the whole, which is especially miraculous when you consider that Stevie and Buckingham’s six-year relationship foundered during the recording of the drug-fuelled Rumours in 1976 (the McVies were splitting at the same time) and, shortly after the Rumours tour, Stevie fell for Fleetwood. They separated for the sake of the band.

By the time of Fleetwood Mac’s last tour, 2003’s Say You Will, Stevie’s relationship with Buckingham had become so fraught that, unless he treated her better this time around, she threatened to walk away “so fast that palm tree tops will fall on his head”.

Now, she says the underlying problem was how much she hated the Say You Will album.

“It was five years ago now so I can say I didn’t like it at all; I didn’t like making it, I didn’t like the songs, so that tour was very hard for me.”

On a Greatest Hits tour, however, there is no new material to quibble over.

“Doing all the very famous material is actually more fun,” insists this born entertainer. “It’s been a breath of fresh air for us to not have to worry about trying to sell [new] songs.”

With five platinum-selling solo records to her name, Stevie is easily the most successful member of Fleetwood Mac. Wasn’t she tempted to walk away during Say You Will?

“Well, I’m a peacemaker and I didn’t want us to break up because the music didn’t go my way. If I’ve learned nothing else in my 61 years it is that four years down the line you’re over it.” She sees the remaining foursome touring for another seven or eight years.

“I’m a performer and an entertainer, that’s what I live for. I would be dancing on tables in bars if I wasn’t in Fleetwood Mac, doing small shows all over the world, driving my van.”

Stevie’s passion for entertaining runs so deep, however, that she admits she has sacrificed all of her romantic relationships for the band but with no regrets.

“My love affair is with my work. I’ve had many wonderful relationships but I could never give up what I do for a relationship; in all of my relationships, at some point, that [prioritising] came up.

“Am I sad about the fact that I don’t have a relationship? No. I’m going to Europe to stay in the best hotels, to play huge shows, playing my music, to meet lots of interesting people. So I really don’t care.”

To Stevie’s amusement, her 81-year-old mother reckons she still hasn’t met Mr Right. She’s all too happy for her mother to be proved right but, to date, the love of her life is a member of the Eagles and not the one you’d expect.

After her split with Buckingham she spent 18 months with Don Henley but, of his bandmate Joe Walsh, she says: “He was the great love of my life. I fell in love with Joe in the same way that Lindsey fell in love with me.”

As their cocaine addiction spiralled out of control in the early Eighties, though, Walsh reluctantly left her for both of their sakes. Now she muses: “Maybe the people you can live best with aren’t the great love of your life; the men you love deeply, the calmer, more loving, more solid people but who you weren’t super passionately crazy in love with. The ones to marry aren’t the ones as crazy as you are.”

Her romance with Walsh was not the only fall-out of her drug addiction. Cocaine has left a hole in her septum, leaving her wishing her generation had not been told that cocaine was “safe, recreational and not a bigger deal than smoking pot or cigarettes”.

A bigger regret is that, after successful treatment for cocaine addiction, her friends persuaded her to see a psychiatrist, hoping this would ensure she avoided a relapse. The doctor prescribed the tranquilliser Klonopin.

“That took eight years out of my life,” she says.

“Those were my prime years, my 40s, when a lot of my heavy, creative activity was really happening. Klonopin grabbed hold of you and made you sit down on your couch and not get up.

“I just watched TV for eight years in a daze. I’m sorry I didn’t have a car crash on the way to seeing that doctor.”

So when Stevie finally got herself back on track, she needed to make up for lost time. “I made a decision a long time ago to follow my artistry. I decided that my mission here on this earth was to write songs for people and make them happy.”

● The UK leg of Fleetwood Mac’s Unleashed tour starts on Thursday and the double CD The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac is out tomorrow.

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 848479)

Well I think Chris Isaak should produce the next album. Mr. Lucky is the most gorgeous American album since. . .

Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 848485)

I love Chris Isaak, but shudder! Mr. Lucky just does not do it for me. In fact, while he has songs that I consider masterpieces, I don't think consistent albums as a whole are his specialty. His Best Of though, putting all the good stuff together, that leaves me breathless. He's got a lost, dreamy touch made for crooning. Actually, to me, he might have been better for FM when you had Christine, Lindsey and Stevie together. He could do something with them.

Michele

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 848198)

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“Maybe the people you can live best with aren’t the great love of your life; the men you love deeply, the calmer, more loving, more solid people but who you weren’t super passionately crazy in love with."

Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 848509)

And for god's sake, will John grant one interview for this tour. Mick can even be there with him. I just want to hear something different that I never knew about this band for once.