I'll say it again... I think Christine left because she felt they were done too... The magic, the music, the voices... not cute anymore...

Sorry maybe I misunderstood eating the cost thing, I thought it just struck me as being greedy. Why does everyone want Stevie out? I agree that she is the most recognizable an that she is the reason i started to like The Mac.

I don't think people want stevie out... I think what Chili is saying.. is that FM can still survive without her. And I'm guessing he wouldn't mind seeing that happen...

My ideal line up would be LB CM JM MF... raw four piece ....

all 4 musicians write all the music... dream on jbrownsjr...

Of course Stevie doesn't have to be in the band, but there's no money in that and really isn't that the whole point of the latest tour, making money?

Well, with my line up they could do a small arena tour like Winwood....

of course out goes millions... in comes thousands.... :sorry:

I continue to maintain that Chris nixed the planned, highly lucrative Dance tour extension because of how distressing those cold outdoor October/November gigs (especially Atlanta) were- even though the following dates would have been all indoor arenas.

If it wasn't the primary reason, it was unquestionably the nail in the coffin.

Everyone wants Stevie out because she seems to be the sole person in the band preventing any real forward movement. If not for her issues, the band might even have an album out right now, or well entrenched in recording one instead of going through the motions on an oldies tour. People are tired of Stevie badmouthing Lindsey in the press, tired of her whining about how people aren't buying her music, and about people stealing it through the internet. With the notable exception of Chili and a few others, most of us really don't want her out though. We just want her to suck it up, stop the boohooing, and get serious about recording some good music with the band. Because she still has enormous talent, a great voice, and something to say. Yes, it's not Fleetwood Mac without the drama... but this is just the wrong type of drama.

I don't disagree with that either...

Eating the cost means he would have paid for it himself, i.e. the opposite of being greedy.

I don't want Stevie out of the band, but I understand others frustration and I do think it's time for Neale and Brett to be considered actual members of Fleetwood Mac.

I've never heard of her crying about no one buying her music. I could see the Lindsey bashing but i've again never seen it. Got examples?

So effing what? Nobody knew who Lindsey Buckingham or Stevie Nicks were in 1975 either. Time to stop "living in the past" and reinvent themselves (again). You don't see Neil Young or Bob Dylan resting on their laurels, they keep finding ways to be fresh & relevant. Heck, The Beatles reinvented themselves about 4 times in 8 years.

For as entrepreneurial as Fleetwood appears to be, when it comes to Fleetwood Mac, he's incredibly lazy when it comes to the creative side of things. No wonder they've become a "nostalgia" act...they've kept themselves locked in 1977 for 32 years. Just imagine how much MORE they would've accomplished had they not gotten sucked into the Rumours whirlpool for all these years.

As hired sessionists, aren't they cheaper to pay than they would be as members? If Fleetwood Mac becomes a six-piece, how would that affect their individual guarantees on tour? Say You Will was an odd (read: telling) situation because Brett & Neale weren't involved in the recording at all.

Something makes me think that those two are not going to become members of Fleetwood Mac.

I'm sure you're right, but I think they've earned their dues, especially if the band does not record again.

I'm a big Stevie fan, and I want her out. The chemistry just isn't there any more between them. She's be much better off pursuing her solo career and working with other artists at this point. And there are many, many roads open to her. She needs to get that Rhiannon project done, write some children's stories, do a standards album with David Foster that she talked about, or hey just do another amazing solo record with the likes of John Shanks.

As for the Mac, I think they should and will carry on. Whether it's going back to their blues roots or carrying on with Lindsey, I think they would still be a viable music force. Just don't opt for that cheap imitation routine and try to replace Stevie with a blonde woman front singer. I despise that whole charade, much like Queen has tried to replace Freddie Mercury over the years. It just can't be done.

If the Eagles can put out a multi-platinum record in the 60's- I don't see why Fleetwood Mac couldn't do the same if they really tried~

They're well paid for what they do -- which is nothing exceptional. I am very fond of them, just from having them on the road with Lindsey and the affection that they, particularly Brett, seem to have for him quite touches me. However, I think they're contributions are fungible -- and I would never want them to be members of FM.

But I have a feeling it's not something I really have to worry about. I don't think adding them would ever occur to the band, so that's a relief.

Michele

Isn't it sort of weird though that after all this time Lindsey agreed to do something like the Unleashed tour...not that I'm knocking it. I was right there in the audience with everyone else and loved every second of it. Still, I worried when it was first announced that it was a sign that he may be over FM as an artistic endeavor...I was just really surprised that he of all people didn't push to record new material. All these years he has been the leader of the group in terms of putting together an album...Mick, I'm really not sure what exactly he wants (other than play his drums and have fun, though I do believe he wants the group to stay together) and John never says anything! I really don't think the problem is so much with Stevie...I think she's just waiting for Lindsey to decide that he's ready to really do something with the group as opposed to the same thing they've been doing (hopefully reinvent themselves somehow)...I think if he is passionate about it, she will be right there with him.

yeah... "money"

I agree... what would the point be? I'm glad Sheryl C never joined either...

FM needs to seriously change their formula, if not the members to get my attention... Things like having Christine play the beautiful intro to Rhiannon was fresh (Dance)... I wished they would have just had Stevie and Christine do a 3 min duo version of that song and moved on....

They just refuse to be interesting.. and that happens when it's not about the music and more about being famous and making money.

Their talent gets hidden in the constant repetition of doing the same thing... It's almost like telling the same joke over and over again... and even tho it was funny at some point.. it's annoying now...

They stopped trying long ago...

The most depressing and telling instance of this was when she blamed us (her most loyal fans) for the fact that her records don't sell well, saying something along the lines of, "yeah, maybe 30,000 (I have no idea what number she actually gave) hardcore fans buy the album, and then with the click of their fingers, they send it to 6 million of their friends." It's been at least a year since I've read the interview, but I think I've covered the gist of it. She then went on to say that because of this, she's been turned off of recording new music.

If you want the opinion of how Stevie's recent interviews look to someone who isn't a loyal and forgiving fan, see here:

http://www.antiquiet.com/news/editor...-the-internet/

Eagles are considerably more popular than Fleetwood Mac at this point- and not because of said album.

...........No.







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I have to agree with you. I just don't think they'll be able to see eye to eye on recording a new album. I pray to God you're wrong about Stevie. I think she's got another solo album or two up her chiffon sleeve. Perhaps that's just wishful thinking. I think for Stevie, a lot of the magic is gone from Fleetwood Mac.

Heck I thought it was over in 1987, so what do I know?

I might not have said it before this last tour but I will now .Stick a fork in em' they're done.Sure they'll continue to tour as long as there is moolah to be made but as far as any real creativiy in the future I just don't see it.

Unless they come up a drastically different show, I don't want them to tour anymore. SYW was good because it had been 6 years since The Dance and they had new songs to perform. The Unleashed Tour (aka Greatest Hits but not really) is a one time only thing. If they come back in a few years and do the same tour, they will have really beaten their legacy into the ground. My suggestion: A Lindsey and Stevie outing, with equal billing and a stripped down band. They could play theatres, with each performing alone and then doing songs together. And I'm not talking about Stand Back, Rhiannon, Go Your Own Way or I'm So Afraid. They would do (gasp) different songs. They would reach into their SOLO catalogs and maybe do a FM song or two (acoustic Gypsy anyone?) I can see it, I can hear it...pure heaven.

I could not agree more!! Mick has put out various projects that nobody bothers to mention. Some good, some not so fantastic, but he keeps going! "Blue Again!" is phenomenal IMHO, and I think we virtually guaranteed more from the MFBB.

I think of anyone, we can expect some new recordings from Mick (in some form or another) more often than Stevie or Lindsey over the next 10 years or so. After that, then maybe we can discuss the "end" of Fleetwood Mac, but not until then.

The idea of Stevie doing the Vegas thing is a great one. It would fit her perfectly. Throw in some guest appearances by Mick, John, Lindsey and Tom Petty and you have quite a show there.

That's my 2 cents. (at this point anyway!!)

You took the words right out of my mouth chiliD!!!! Awesome!!! Hit the nail on the head, knocked the ball out of the park!! PG named the band as such specifically for this reason.

I have a little "conspiracy theory" you may or may not have seen posted on the "Post Rumours" board a while back that talks about what Mick may or may not be planning in the next few years with the MFBB. In summary: If this does turn out to be "the end" of the LB/SN era of FM, then so be it. Stevie will likely record more solo projects (perhaps 2 -3) then retire completely. Lindsey will likely record several more solo projects and possibly tour before he retires. John will either hook up with Mick off and on as part of the MFBB/retro-FM gig or just retire all together. Mick will keep working with Rick on the MFBB and eventually drop all pretence and just call it Fleetwood Mac with John coming in and out as mentioned in between sailing trips and Rick Vito fronting the group. Perhaps Christine will drop in now and again when they play UK/Europe dates, but not likely. She's done. Eventually Mick will become just too damned old to move and finally retire. That will really be "the end".

Alright, somebody KILL this thread. I don't want to see it anymore. The Mac will never be over. Touring or no touring, they are not over.

Well, you could alter the course of the thread by providing a compelling argument for that- if you're so sure about it. You know, instead of just "killing" it.

:lol::laugh::laugh:

I don't think it's over for them. There's something left in this band. What it is, I can't guess.

What I'd like to see is a "two-fer" MAC project (like Buckingham did with his last two solo albums). I'd also like to see Stevie release another solo project! :nod:

I agree Brandon, I don't think it's over... also... I feel like there might be 2 more albums... I especially feel like a new album is in the making right now also... Just my spectulation... I would like to see 2 or 3 more albums, even if they were recording from their walkers and wheel chairs in 10 more years... and didn't tour...

Besides, it's NOT over until the Fat Lady Sings!!! Eh...??? :laugh::laugh::laugh:


Donnie Wayne ~

I would love to see 2 more albums from them before "retirement." I have a feeling that the band will never really "stop" until one of them dies. And when that happens, they should respectfully take a bow.

I'm assuming you mean one of the current four, right? Something tells me SN/LB/MF/JM aren't going to let a pre-Rumours lineup death get in the way of big paydays.

I've stated it before, they are done for...bye, bye Fleetwood Mac.

hahahahaha... they'd step right over the dead body thru the stage door if it was a pre-rumours line up...

I have no doubt she has the songs. I don't think she is willing to do what it takes to market a new record in today's industry. I think the best we could hope for is reissues of Bella and WH with some of the outtakes.

Well in a way it was. That particular version was gone until The Dance. And they created magic again with strong new songs but failed to capitalize on it. Touring be damned, they should have gone into the studio with Chris after that and captured some of that magic.