Mirage/Red Rocks
 

How can you loathe the TITN video? I love it. I love Christine's live version of Isn't it Midnight and Stevie's version of Stand Back but I hate the editing - it's all over the place. And does anyone know why Stevie's close-up's were done seperatly? They did it on the Red Rocks video too and it is really annoying. Mirage just makes me cringe. I loved the Mirage album but the video was disapointing. Stevie's vocals on Rhiannon are evil and every so ofter during Rhiannon, Sister of the Moon and Gypsy she glances over at the other band members to sort of say "help!" and Lindsey (being the arrogant bastard that he is) is just giggling to himself and hoping this would push Stevie aside for a bit (he never liked her being the biggest artist in the band). So anyway, what are peoples feelings about the Red Rocks DVD? I really don't like it that much - especially not Stevie slaughtering her own song (edge of seventeen). Loved I Can't Wait and Outside the Rain though. Does anyone have a clip of the I Can't Wait red rocks performance?

I think NTF and SOTM were put on the video because thet are kick ass performances. The 3 guys jamming on NTF is great to watch. As for SOTM, Stevie just takes command of the song, stage and band and lets it rip and I think most fans are happy to have them clear for the most part and recorded.

Not That Funny was definitely, definitely a single in the UK. I'm in the UK too btw. Anyway, that video wasn't produced just to be released in the UK but around the world. Why would they tailor it to what had been successful in one country?
Sisters Of The Moon may not have been released here as a single in the UK (although I'm not a 100 percent on that), but a, it's a kick ass performance and b, it's a kick ass performance. I prefer seeing those songs on the video than yet another performance of Dreams and Don't Stop personally. I also enjoy Lindsey's wonderfully hysterical Not That Funny. It's mad and full of life, which is how a rock and roll concert should be. (And the Mac are a rock band, not a pop band in my opinion).

It's so strange to me that you think Stevie slaughtered Edge Of 17 on the Red Rocks concert. So many people like that because she's lets loose and shows some passion. It's rock and roll! The reason I hate the Tango DVD is because it's so stilted and flashy. Stevie's voice sounds unnatural, monotone and she is very guarded with it, I guess because she was having problems on that tour. It was the beginning of the klonopin years afterall.
As for Stand Back, the Solid Gold and Saturday Night Live versions knock the socks off the Tango version IMO.

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It's way too cheesy 80's overedited pop video to me. Oh, and no Lindsey! :( I don't watch Red Rocks either. Mainly because I litereally cannot get through either without rolling my eyes.

Cheesy, oh yes. I was trying to think of the right word and that's it. It's all shoulder pads and glitz, editing and flash over rock n' roll and passion.
I hate the Stevie close-ups too, in both the Tango and Red Rocks videos. I prefer Red Rocks though because it's nice to hear tracks like Talk To Me and No Spoken Word. The White Wing concert is definitely the best Stevie concert though, no doubt about that. :nod:

I hate the close ups of Stevie too - especially in Red Rocks - doesn't anybody notice that she has a completely different hairstyle :shrug: :laugh:

Red Rocks is OK to listen to, I just don't want to have to see it. The fake lightening flashes in the background during Dreams is enough to make my nauseous.

TITN - no passion, it's like it's not even live. Well, I guess a lot of it isn't. :D

:laugh: I totally agree. Tell me why again this is the only official Stevie release on DVD we have?? :rolleyes:

The TITN DVD is not great either - the close ups of Stevie make it look like it was HER band :eek: And Billy's and Rick's voices sound poofy in songs like "The Chain"...

My God. You'd think the world revolved around singles. SCREW SINGLES. Album tracks are where its at, and where it has BEEN at since the '60s. Singles are a dead format.

TheWILDHeart you must be new dearie. Your not going to find anyone here that doesnt like the Sisters Of The Moon from the Mirage concert.

me too, i might even call these my fav's especiall SOTM

Oh I love the Sisters of the Moon performance. I just don't see why it part of the encore for the Mirage Tour. I would love to see a concert opened by Sisters of the Moon. I just don't like the Mirage tour video. As i have said before, The White Wing Dove live video kicks all the mac live video's. I don't like Live in Boston either - they missed out the main highlights IMO.

IMO i think its a waste to close a show with the most popular single... it just doesn't move me.... plus wasn't GYOW in the encore... and Songbird... now that was moving....

2. because it's not all about the hits.... for me (and i am not being sarcastic) for me... it's about the music regardless if radio or not... i don't let the radio tell me what the best songs are....

i don't care about no Lindsey because Rick and Billy were good, it's just that... well it's when they decided we want to go from being a raw band to overproduced and cheesy... they continued this on The DAnce...

one thing I'd like to add.. Rick's outfit in the Tango video was unforgivable :laugh:

I completely agree with you. It's just usually tour video's tend to be packed with bad cutting and all the singles with the odd album track. Plus, what really baffles me is that SOTM wasn't on the Tusk set list or on anyother after Mirage....why? No GYOW came before the encore and Don't Stop came right in the middle of the show (again...odd). The encore was just SOTM and Songbird. I bet Lindsey was pissed about that lol.

The encores were "Blue Letter", "Sisters Of The Moon" & then "Songbird" closed the show. However, they mixed up the order on the video. "Blue Letter" is in the middle of the video set list, for some strange reason.

And, they also added a clavinet to "You Make Loving Fun" in the editing process. When I saw them on that tour, there was definitely no clavinet.

"Don't Stop" was played early in the set list that tour, the third song. "Sisters Of The Moon" was played on the Tusk tour. It was even played on the last leg of the Rumours tour in 1978. I think the running order on the Mirage tour was just fine.

I've never actually seen the Mirage video, but I've seen Eyes of the World, Not That Funny, and Sisters of the Moon from it. On SOTM they've overdubbed the bass all to hell - look at the end; John is going nuts but the bass doesn't match his playing at all. Drives me nuts! :mad:

Yep. Hilarious on one level. And not on another. So, so very not.

I actually quite like Red Rocks. Edge of Seventeen especially .... it's just ... I don't know. Intense or something!

:laugh: As per usua ... I'll be good. *bites tongue*

His presence was fairly ... I'll be good. :rolleyes:

PS: I don't really hate them. I just wish they were Lindsey. :o

I guess it's never bothered me (the additional musicians & backing singers on stage) because the Buckingham & Nicks era studio albums were always so slickly produced. I don't mean "slick" in a bad way, of course, because I love "slick" as it's done by Fleetwood Mac.

So I have an appreciation for the more polished live sound, though I understand where other people are coming from when they say they miss the spontaneity and rawness.

In the end, I just want something that sounds good to my ears... so I'm cool with it whether there are 12 people up on stage or five.

Sisters Of The Moon was not only on the Tusk tour, it's even on the infamous Tusk Documentary & Live Concert video. It was a staple of later Rumours shows, the Tusk tour and the Mirage tour. Why is it odd then that they would include such a showstopper and live favourite on a live video?

I'm not sure why Lindsey would be pissed, since Go Your Own Way ends the show before the encore, much as it did on recent tours :confused: And then he gets to seriously rock out on Sisters with a fantastic solo. And my three versions of the Mirage video (we are talking about the Mirage concert aren't we?), don't have Don't Stop on them at all.

Also, I have to say, knowing the Mac, I'm sure they approved that video before it went on sale. And it's got eight singles on there, four concert staples(I'm So Afraid, Sisters Of The Moon, Songbird and perhaps their most famous song, The Chain) and one album track (Eyes Of The World) from their, at that time, new record. How is that not a good setlist, with something for casual fans and hardcore devotees?

I agree with jbrownsjr, the fact that it's just the simple five-piece band playing, no frills, with plenty of drama and passion, is what appeals to me about the Mirage video.

The differences are:

1. That the players on the albums are Christine McVie, John McVie, Lindsey Buckingham & Mick Fleetwood, rather than (insert numerous names of hired sessionists here). The aforementioned four have a lot more personality & the stamp of personal style in their playing than do the sessionists, who are self-trained & paid to supply a mainstream instrumental cushion that rocks no boats rather than to express highly individual & idiosyncratic sonic textures.

2. That the neobaroque splendor & the dainty miniaturism of the Mac's production style find a complementary haven in the cleanly controlled environment of the studio & the dynamically sensitive medium of the CD--& not in the cavernous sports arenas & amphitheaters of the live show, where such details are almost always lost amid greatly diminished dynamics & reverberative sludge.

I think, for both these reasons, the band's earlier approach--clean & detailed in the studio but jagged & aggressive onstage--made far better aesthetic & physical sense.

Well, yeah, I do, too. But five on stage is exactly what happens to sound better!

i hate you, you're not even my real father!!! runs upstairs and slams door

I don't know what I'm going to do about that kid. :distress: Maybe it's time for boarding school.

another reason i love mirage better is all five of them look like drag queens

Freak!:rolleyes:

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Actually, it's not that it's overdubbed, but that the video is a composite of two different night's performances. In fact, there's a really bad edit right before the last verse. So it's more of an editing issue than a dubbing issue.

Speaking of the Mirage video, does anyone have a good mp3 of Eyes of the World from it. I have to say it's my favorite performance of this great little song. I love the way they do the "Woooaa ooooh ooooh's" at the chorous rather than the subdued "oooooo's" and "eyes...eyes...eyes..." that they brought back for the SYW tour. I would also really love an mp3 of the Mirage video Blue Letter too, but beggars can't be choosers.

Thanks guys. :)

Stevie wore dress boots with her leg warmers pulled over them on the 1st night, & her standard platforms the 2nd night.

Honnestly, I didn't know that and I've never heard of the Tusk Documentary and Live Concert Video...what makes it so infamous? Also, I was watching 'The Dance' DVD last night and I saw Fleetwood Mac on that tour and it wasn't ANYTHING like what I saw on that video. Micks drums were heavier...the guitar and bass were louder..the whole thing sounded more like a rock concert rather than the soft, easy-going Dance DVD. Was the DVD concert specifcally done for the DVD/CD?

Yes indeed. It was set up in a highly controllable environment, a soundstage in Burbank, specifically to film.

God, you can really tell thats what they've done. It sucks too. I saw them on the dance tour and it was NOTHING like that.

The Dance sucks? is that what you're saying? :shrug:

Just because it's unavailable and its great. It's famous around these parts. It was released back in the early 80s and has been deleted ever since.

David, Amen! You hit the nail on the head. Perhaps it's a generation gap, but I don't go to concert expecting a polished note-for-note Vegas act.

In the Fleetwood Mac of old, I loved hearing how they would transform studio polished songs into raw, live honest rock and roll, with all its spontaneous rough edges.

I lament the fact that Fleetwood Mac, as a live act, is now so generic in sound and approach. Still, I can understand that, with age, old rockers would be inclined to add support players.

The Mirage video rocks! The Tango video is tepid!

no....i quite like the dance CD. I just don't like the way they set up the whole thing specifically for the dvd. I would have prefered that the concert came from part of the tour as the tour was better than the DVD.

Well, the irony in that statement is that without the CD/DVD there likely wouldn't have been a tour!

AMEN!! :thumbsup:

If you're only talking about the final video product. The actual live shows on the Tango tour kicked some major butt...the video doesn't come close to capturing that. That "Shakin' The Cage" tour is my favorite Fleetwood Mac tour of all the tours I've witnessed in person.

Exactly. I want to know WHO decided that they could no longer be a five piece band, that a freakin' orchestra was required. And that's what they are now, a Vegas act.:distress:
Mirage is the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!