Not only that- Stevie's lead vocal on it is ...... there aren't words to describe it. It's ..... jeez, I dunno- I really can't explain it. All I know is my eyes always well up with tears at the bridge and I have gooseflesh for the entire song- all of it.

Stevie's voice was at its zenith during this period- look at "Sleeping Angel" and "That's Alright". WOW-EEEEE!!!!!

:nod: I bawled my eyes out when they played it. It was so moving and magical. You really had to be there to get the full impact of that performance.

Wow. How can I add anymore arguments? Okay, because it was a very DARING production, too. So Tusk it is.

I guess a couple ****ty solo albums didn't scare you away from lindsey and chris :sorry: :laugh: :p

I could not agree with you more, tower!! :thumbsup: :wavey:

In my opinion, neither Chris nor Lindsey has HAD a ****ty solo album(a claim the queen of Fairy Farts(copywrite Diss) can't make. And my opinion, is the only one that matters. :nod: :nod: :nod:

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It's the Queen of Velvet Fountains and Fairy Farts, dear. :p

I don't know, the first time I heard Law and Order, I thought it was putrid. It grew on me faster than a fungus and I now adore it, but the first time I heard Bwana, I almost left this cruel world because the projectile vomiting was so bad.

For me, part of its beauty is the simplistic arrangement. Lindsey was smart to keep it unfettered.
Meanwhile, Stevie's voice soars... she sounds at once wistful and hopeful. How she can get her oddball little voice to convey such a gamut of emotions is always endlessly fascinating to me.
But she does it -- and she does it in spades on this performance.

That's my abridged version, and I'm sticking with it! :rolleyes:

BUT, you came to realize that it was GREATNESS. ART requires more than pandering to the masses, ala......(you know who - whether it's successful pandering or not :lol: ).
Law and Order is FREAKY DEAKY(how does one spell "deaky"), and I LOVE it!
Is L&O weird? You betcha...
WHILE we're on the pandering subject, rehashing a 30 yo breakup onstage every night, playing the same freaking songs, is the DEFINITION of pandering!

I loved 'Law & Order' right from the start. My uncle gave me his LP of it after I became a huge Machead, and I made a copy of it onto cassette and listened to it on my walkman constantly.

For the record, my uncle was a big LB fan, but then got cheesed off with the direction he was going in when 'Go Insane' came out and lost interest in him completely.
I think i've mentioned before that I'm slowly trying to get him back into him, through his more recent work.

Lol!!
 

Way late, but I disagree on the one note thing. I thought she was very, uh...inventive on the notes in that version of Gypsy. :wavey:

Now, Now, Homie. To each his own as far as musical tastes, and I'm not looking to start another epic debate here... but we can't bash Stevie for "pandering to the masses" while letting Christine go scott-free.
We're in "Double Standard" territory again with that.

Lindsey has cited Christine as one of the biggest opponents in FM to his more off the wall approach, and her three solo albums definitely demonstrate her "mainstream sensibilities." If one wants to be cynical about it, Christine's music has always been "middle of the road" and "for the masses" (the fact that she's had the most hit singles with the band, is a further demonstration of that fact).

I'm not knocking Christine here, mind you. My opinion is that if you LIKE pop music, and you WANT to make pop music, then there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't.

With perhaps a few exceptions here and there, Christine and Stevie have seemingly always recorded the type of music THEY wanted to record. That's not "pandering to the masses," it's being true to one's own personal preferences.

Christine and Stevie have more mainstream tastes... and sometimes that frustrates fans... but that doesn't lessen the value of their artistry. :nod:

Fair enough. Yet if we didn't have the studio album to make that comparison, and there was nothing to "translate," how then would you judge those live performances?

It's not my favorite era of the band, but I think the few songs that they did do were fine: Seven Wonders, Little Lies, Everywhere, Isn't It Midnight. I don't compare studio songs against their live performances. I'm not looking for them to replicate their studio sound. I found out very early on, in the seventies, that the live Fleetwood Mac band was a very different animal from their studio band.

When it was just the five of them, I really liked the rough-around-edges interpretations of their live performances. They couldn't replicate their studio
sound, so it was always interesting to hear how they reconciled that.

Once they started adding numerous background singers and musicians, they leaned more toward closer resemblance to the studio versions and lost, in my mind, a certain rock and roll edge. Hmmm...come to think about it, you're assessment is probably accurate!

Now I wonder what the Tango songs would have sounded like if Lindsey stayed and toured with the band, and they didn't add the background musicians. The songs would have been less polished, but maybe better!

Who wants to go to concert just to hear carbon copies of their studio versions? I don't.

Its all subjective; A lot of people don't like Lindsey's solo albums ( not because they dont get it, they do and they still think it sucks) I personally like a lot of it, but most people I play it for don't. I either get comments about it sounding gay ( which there is nothing wrong with to quote Jerry Seinfeld :) ) or they will say something about the movie Deliverance :rolleyes: So if you want label Stevie go ahead, but who cares its just your opinion like the ones above are others opinions. Here's another opinion :laugh: : I don't see anything special about Christine's solo albums

Maybe we are, although Christine's never had an OSOTM. My gawd, that thing sucks, and forced me to cash in my Stevie fandom ticket. RAL almost sucked as bad....

Odd you're equating my fandom with Christine, and not Lindsey.... :cool:

Lindsey's a freak, and I love him for that!

Perhaps my frustration lies more with how even Stevie's CRAP is worshipped over FAR more artistic contributions by Lindsey and Christine.

Not that you're talking to me, but RAL and OSOTM are my favorite solo albums, so far. :wavey:
What can we say about stevie's "crap"? There must be a reason people like it - I, personally, can't get enough of the strangeness of the voice quality, the phrasing, the harmonies. She's unusual. And, of course, it's very subjective to call someone's contributions "far more artistic" because none of the three can do what the other does - in my eyes they're separate but equal. :laugh:

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
And, Newbie, opinions.......are like..........what is it?
Oh yeah! I "think" I remember........(I'm not giving a rude answer, out of sheeeer politeness) :lol: :lol: :lol:

(Shudder) :rolleyes: Wow, Bella Donna was/is greatness......Wild Heart was darn good. IMO, the rest rolled straight downhill, like a 10 ton boulder! Look at the SALES. Do you think the public just "got over her"? Sales(IMO=duh) was indicative of the quality of the project. Especially riding the wave she was on. She dropped the ball, errrr, boulder. :rolleyes:

mmmkay, whatev. I only got all three recently, I guess she could've "dropped the ball" or whatever, but judging now, with all four in hand at once, that's how I feel. The first 4 songs of Wild Heart bore me to tears, and I haven't listened to BD as much, but that's because when I did, i was bored. Except, of course, BD has 2 of my faves of all time, EO17 and SDMHA - It could grow on me, but RAL and OSOTM grew on me first. Cause I liked them better. Cause they have beats. :laugh: mmmm, beats. :wavey:

I'll be polite too and won't say anything about an old farts opinion :laugh: ;)

Ewwww, beets, or beats. Don't care much for either! :lol: Amber, BD is a masterpiece! Don't NOT listen to it because it's not a dance record. I'm SURE Stevie will admit it's her masterpiece. It's a well written, cohesive, So Cal rock album. It holds it's own with Rumours and Hotel California, IMO.
Oh, for a time machine!

Good, I've already heard enough about you! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

But one could say that Christine's also never had a 'Bella Donna,' a 'Wild Heart' or a 'Trouble In Shangri-La.' :shrug:

You seem to be a bit more vocal in your love of Christine than you are in your love of Lindsey. At times I've actually thought you only liked him about two notches above Stevie.

Besides, it's not about who any of us loves "more" or "less"... I was just trying to keep things fair by responding to the "pandering to the masses" criticism. :)

As do I.

But then that's hardly Stevie's fault, is it? A larger portion of Fleetwood Mac's audience seemed to connect with Stevie's songs, and they followed her over to her solo career, where she also picked up additional fans.

She lost some folks over the years, and gained some folks. Her popularity ebbed and flowed.
But she maintained a pretty solid core audience who are not of the "fair-weather fan" variety.
If there are a few songs or albums in there that they don't care for, they don't just cast Stevie aside and look for something else to hold their attention.

And, again, "crap" is all subjective.
It seems to me that a song is only "crap" if we can't figure out why other people like it, when we don't. ;) :laugh:

I've never heard TISL, but I will grant you the BD, you Chiffonhead! :xoxo:

Where have I dogged him? As for Christine, I'm her sworn protector... Don't **** with CM!!!! :rolleyes:

But WON'T you admit that her fans seem MUCH more forgiving of......some... subpar material?

Crap is where you compare The Highwayman to something off OSOTM(I've not heard it since it came out, so I can't remember any titles!)

I won't get into the "look at the sales" argument, because even Stevie's lowest selling albums have sold better than Lindsey & Christine's solo output.

So to say that Stevie's latter-day albums sold less because they were of a lesser quality, is to imply that Lindsey & Christine's albums were of an even lesser quality, based on their sales.
It's definitely an argument with dangerous implications all around.

We're also discussing a women who, for whatever it's worth, maintained a respectable level of success while suffering through setbacks and missteps that would have put the final nail in the coffin of many lesser talents.

Anyway, I've "walked down this road" many times before... just thought I'd make a couple of quick points (which, for me, "quick" always seems to be at least four paragraphs. :o :laugh: ).

Oh, Homie. Suck my bun. :laugh: I don't care much for Highwayman, BTW. :wavey:

Okay. Sacrilege! See, here I am DEFENDING her. Oh, that Nicks broad is a two sided coin! :lol:
Love her, hate her, all in the same post!

well, she's very complex. :shrug: :lol:

Just a few quick responses. :)

If "Chiffonhead" is being used in a derogatory way, then I'd like to think I'm more sophisticated in my tastes and more intelligent in my explanation of said tastes, than the connotations behind that nickname imply. ;)

But if it's being used with affection, then I'll wear the little label proudly. :xoxo:

Not that you've dogged him necessarily... just that I've never noticed you being as vocal in your appreciation of his work, as you are regarding Christine's.
Plus, you seem to hate "Come" and "Murrow" and seem to have little-to-no affection for 'Say You Will'... which is half Lindsey, song-wise, and all Lindsey, production-wise (figuratively speaking).

So I didn't figure you hated him, I just figured Christine was at the top of the list, and Lindsey was somewhere higher than Stevie, but much lower than Chris.

Forgiving, yes... but more forgiving than Christine & Lindsey's fans are of the same "sin"?
No, I don't believe that to be true.

I see quite a few Chris & Lindsey songs that your typical music lover might dismiss outright as being lame, goofy, boring, crappy, subpar, etc.... yet get praised to the high heavens by their fans (which I am most definitely including myself amongst).
We're fans... we like this music for a reason, and we're always going to like certain songs that would cause most other people to scratch their heads and question our sanity.

Stevie's fans may be louder in their defense of Stevie, because they seem to exist in higher numbers... but they're truly no more defensive or forgiving than Christine's or Lindsey's fans, when it comes right down to it.

"The Highwayman" is probably my least favorite song on 'Bella Donna'... I'd definitely take "Doing The Best That I Can" or "Ghosts" or probably even "Alice" over it.

Again, it's a matter of personal preference. :)

Me, too. I'm too sleepy to answer much here.

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But if it's being used with affection, then I'll wear the little label proudly. :xoxo: [/QUOTE]

Well, I did the xoxo thing......duh!

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Not that you've dogged him necessarily... just that I've never noticed you being as vocal in your appreciation of his work, as you are regarding Christine's. [/QUOTE]

He HAS his own army of vocal supporters, that I need not....( so tired, my vocabulary is failing me now).....
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Come is NOT a FM song. Murrow can slide as one. COME on! Do you REALLY think Come is a FM song? Tacky.

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Well, the order is correct, even if the levels are a tad askew. ;)

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Stevie's fans may be louder in their defense of Stevie, because they seem to exist in higher numbers... [/QUOTE]

Nope. I maintain that she could fart in a microphone, and they'd love it.


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"The Highwayman" is probably my least favorite song on 'Bella Donna'... I'd definitely take "Doing The Best That I Can" or "Ghosts" or probably even "Alice" over it.[/QUOTE]

Wow. You and AMber are weird. Highwayman is great!

Again, it's a matter of personal preference. :)[/QUOTE]
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Indeed. Goodnight, Johnnystewboy. zzzzzzzz

With all of the weird noises and "found sounds" Lindsey uses in his songs, I'm surprised HE hasn't farted into a microphone yet! :laugh:
And, of course, it would be "art" if he did. ;) :laugh:

I've been on a 'Go Insane' kick lately, so I'll listen extra closely tonight, and let you know if I find anything!

Night, Homie!

PM me sometime soon and let me know how Cash is doing, ok? Been keeping you guys in my thoughts, and sending good vibes your way. :xoxo:

Yeah!!! I'm with you! Rock on :thumbsup:

good comeback :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I find it funny and odd how some fans are so damn fickle. So an artist you like puts out an album you don't like....so you write them off entirely?? In the scope of an artist's career, you should allow them to make a few missteps (which are totally subjective).

For me, that's what makes it interesting. And often, as I've seen stated here many times, often the very songs/albums you initially depised/hated are the ones you come to love over time.

Yeah, she certainly invented notes we hadn't even heard before. :laugh:

:nod::nod::nod:

RAL did it for me. That album is so bad that it hurts. Then came OSOTM, which you won't find me dissing (save a few putrid songs). Then I saw Stevie on the Timsepace tour and got very worried. Then came the awful "new" songs on Timespace and I knew the end was near. Then came Street Angel. *shudder*

When it comes to my taste for Stevie, it's a bit more than her simply "putting out an album I don't like." :o

straying....off subject
 

Isn't this thread named Fleetwood Mac's best produced son?
Everyone is blasting/fawning over different aspects of FM- but as for the question....
I will go with Gold Dust Woman-
when you hear Stevie's demo on the Rumour's new release, then listen to what Lindsey and the other producers did with it..... Excellent production.
Tango in the Night is a gimmie-for Lindsey,
I also love the simplicity of When I see you again- Flows beautifully between the vocals and the acoustic guitar and fading sounds....

just my ides...
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Sorry- Just my ideas- (not ides...Must be thinking about the ides of March and bewaring them :rolleyes: )
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Right on! That's just what I was thinking. Not to mention, I've yet to come across a ****ty solo album from Stevie...try listening to them more than once, they'll grow on you. Not ****ty at all.