Originally Posted by Moony

In all honesty, I think the problem with this country is religion
Moony

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Amen. I don't care what the giggling murderer said today, I'm not about to forgo my principles and start acting like some flag waving automatron.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Ouch. I hope that's not what I sounded like in my initial post ("a flag waving automaton").

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

That was not directed at you. It was directed at "Get over it." :laugh:

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I'm being an overly-sensitive dork tonight, so I was worried.
:xoxo:

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Bingo! Tell the man what he's won Bob.

Originally Posted by Moony

*looks around for a prize* GIMME! :woohoo:

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Oh no, no, no. We're all a little bruised here from the last 24 hours. I'm still pissed off, can you tell? :laugh:

Originally Posted by Moony

*looks around for a prize* GIMME! :woohoo:

Originally Posted by larg

he's helped make it more difficult for women to use abortion to EXCESSION (that is, he's prevented women from having more than one or two abortions-- I know at least two people who have had in the abortions DOUBLE DIGIT numbers, and this prevents them from that ability; they now have children, yes, but they also regret their past ways because of having children and the abortions becomming difficult. Not to mention they both have various internal problems that are excrutiatingly painful due to abortions),

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Well, I imagine the Boobie Prize won't appease you, so I guess we better come up with something else! ;)

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I'm adamantly trying to temper my anger and disappointment, but those feelings are running pretty deep right now.

And I'm wishing I had the ability to just shrug it all off like some people seem capable of doing. "Oh, it's just four more years," and all of that.
I also remember the cautions about buying into the "propaganda of fear," and the idea that things are even dire than they may seem. So I'm searching for that light at the end of the tunnel... something positive to hold onto that we can still make things better, before they get as worse as they could.

But this is always the danger when I care a little too much about something, and I knew that going in, so.... *sighs*

Anyway, enough of my Dork-Mode for one evening. :o

Originally Posted by Moony

...I'm glad you don't because your passion makes you who you are, and I like ya for it. :) I think it is unwise to be so nonchalant about the next four years, myself.



*hug* Your not a dork, Johnny.

and :wavey: gldstwn. ;)

Moony

Originally Posted by Moony

...I'm glad you don't because your passion makes you who you are, and I like ya for it. :) I think it is unwise to be so nonchalant about the next four years, myself.

*hug* Your not a dork, Johnny.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Very sweet words... and not to copy Goldie, but, thank you. I needed that. :)

(By the way, I can't believe I let such an appalling grammatical error as, "before they get as worse as they could," escape my fingertips! It's the grief, folks! ;) :shocked: )

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Yes, I realize that John Kerry also said that he doesn't believe in same-sex marriage... a fact that I was not happy with... but, unlike President Bush, Kerry wasn't actively seeking, as Bush has, to take back some of the rights we ALREADY have, nor was he actively seeking, as Bush has, to amend the constitution to forever ban homosexuals from marrying. Thus forever sealing our fates in this country.

Originally Posted by Vianna

By the way it's nice to be able to come here and chat with people who feel like I do about this. Where I work is a hotbed of Republicanism and I don't dare open my mouth except to a coulple of people...

Originally Posted by Patti

I've been pretty depressed the last 24 hours, as I know you all have been too, but I have decided, for me it's best to let the anger go for a while. I will be watching Dubya like a hawk, no doubt, but I refuse to let anger consume me. I think the best thing I can do is to be a watchdog and fight when the time is right.

I can't speak for all of you but I think the best thing we can do together is to figure out what *we* as Democrats did wrong and fix it. I'm not suggesting we abandon our principles, but over the next four years, we need to learn how to get the job done. Sadly, over half the country voted for Bush and his "moral" issues. I don't understand it, I don't agree with it, it truly puzzles me, but it's there. The word liberal has such a bad connotation now. We need to change that. I don't know how, but we will never reclaim the government if we don't.

JS and all my other gay friends here, my heart truly bleeds for you. It sickens me that there is so much hate out there for you right now. It's all about love and the religious right makes it all about hate and intolerance. I am confident that someday there will be a change and you will get the equal rights you all so deserve.

So chins up, guys. We don't need to "get over it", but we can channel that anger into something positive.

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

This is one of the most disgusting, crude and hateful things I have read in a long time. It is none of your, nor our president's business who has an abortion and how many times they have them. Forcing women to raise children they cannot support is extremely judgmental and quite frankly, sick. You're all about the rights of the unborn, it's just once they're outside of the womb you want to cut social programs that help children. But you're okay with Iraqi babies/civilians being killed in an illegal war?

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I am stunned you just typed that. :shocked:

Originally Posted by Vianna

Will I get over this? After awhile no doubt but I will be watching him very carefully. I am hoping he'll hang himself by his own rope figuratively and get himself impeached.

Originally Posted by Patti

I've been pretty depressed the last 24 hours, as I know you all have been too, but I have decided, for me it's best to let the anger go for a while. I will be watching Dubya like a hawk, no doubt, but I refuse to let anger consume me. I think the best thing I can do is to be a watchdog and fight when the time is right.

I can't speak for all of you but I think the best thing we can do together is to figure out what *we* as Democrats did wrong and fix it. I'm not suggesting we abandon our principles, but over the next four years, we need to learn how to get the job done. Sadly, over half the country voted for Bush and his "moral" issues. I don't understand it, I don't agree with it, it truly puzzles me, but it's there. The word liberal has such a bad connotation now. We need to change that. I don't know how, but we will never reclaim the government if we don't.

JS and all my other gay friends here, my heart truly bleeds for you. It sickens me that there is so much hate out there for you right now. It's all about love and the religious right makes it all about hate and intolerance. I am confident that someday there will be a change and you will get the equal rights you all so deserve.

So chins up, guys. We don't need to "get over it", but we can channel that anger into something positive.

Originally Posted by hypnotized

Bush has become too cocky and power drunk. I foresee a scenario where Dubya will make an errr in judgement so grave it will result in his impeachment.

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

Yeah, but we don't want Cheney. WE DON'T WANT CHENEY!!!

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I foresee Cheney going down over Plame, Halliburton or both.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

While I would LOVE for that to happen, I think a little over 1/2 of Amercia could care a less - I mean these issues were out there in the election and that did not stop W from getting 52% of the vote. I think that sucks, but reality is reality :mad:

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Yes but Plame is still before a grand jury and the word was that indictments were being held off until after the election.

Originally Posted by larg

All I can say is, I hope all of the Democrats on here can get over their losing this time faster than they did last time (So basically, any time withing the next four years) because it's really tiring listening to you all complain about how your candidate lost and shouldn't have and how Bush is so terrible. It gets old. Open your eyes and look at some of the things that he's done that AREN'T so bad... Not that I'm saying the man is a genius or anything, and I agree he hasn't been the best President; but he has a very hard job, one I wouldn't want, and I think that he's done the best that any mortal human being can do. Maybe John Kerry WOULD be a better president... we have no way of knowing now. I'm just asking that all of you, rather than miserably "suffering" through the next four years, try to look at Bush in a more positive light. He's done some pretty good things; he took an evil dictator out of power (even if it was for his own, selfish and bad reasons. Read some things by the philosopher Hallie some day and you'll begin to understand that sometimes we have to look at the product, not the means, to judge a person), he's helped make it more difficult for women to use abortion to EXCESSION (that is, he's prevented women from having more than one or two abortions-- I know at least two people who have had in the abortions DOUBLE DIGIT numbers, and this prevents them from that ability; they now have children, yes, but they also regret their past ways because of having children and the abortions becomming difficult. Not to mention they both have various internal problems that are excrutiatingly painful due to abortions), and he's created programs that make it possible for me, a 3rd class 18 year old white male who was a straight A student through high school go to a good college and NOT be paying out of my ears for the rest of my life. I respect the things he's done. If you democrats can ignore Clinton's oral sex affair AND his lying to the country, why can't you look past the couple of flaws our President has? Besides, don't you think we could get more allies in this war we're in if people in other countries saw that we SUPPORT our president?
Please take time to consider what I've said, because I've tried to be polite and intelligent about this all, and its stuff I've been wanting to say for quite some time. I've dealt with all the democrat stuff here with a pinch of salt, the anti-Bush remarks that are undying, the sometimes crude and offensive images that tag posts, and the sometimes ignorant things people say here. I don't see how you all think you are so great, when you daily call republicans stupid, greedy and any other list of mean names. Seems to me sometimes like you are a bunch of kindergarteners who need depserately to grow up.
Finally, I wish to thank all of you who DO act respectively in all of this pish posh. It's refreshing to see that there are people in the world who can accept my views and my right to my opinions, even if they disagree. I can accept yours. Maybe you should try my method sometime; you'll find yourself surrounded by more friends because of it, as well as in some very interesting conversations that in the past were either one sided or formed as crude attacks.
One final thing, even though I am republican, I admit, I AM pro-same-sex marriage. It IS about love, after all, although I do agree it would be a type of desecration to the Christian religion to have Christian same-sex marriages, although I see no reason why two lovers cannot wed technically and have it acknowledged by our country. So my heart does go out to all of you who feel you have lost hope. Although maybe being a Mainer I'm ignorant, so please fill me in; why do you believe it's less likely to ever see such a law now with Bush? Wasn't Kerry ALSO against same-sex marriages? Forgive me for being confused.
Thank you all for taking the time to listen to me, and any rude comments made by people who say I'm dumb or ignorant, expect a letter from me personally trying to prove other wise. If there's one thing I hate, its people who think they are better than someone else simply because they have a different opinion.
God bless you all and the beautiful country we live in that TRULY gives US the choice to make these decisions.
Do you think Sadam or Bin Laden were elected by the people?
That's what makes this country fantastic.
Please don't forget that.


Adam R.

Originally Posted by dissention

Bite my ass. :wavey:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

OMG - I posted something similarly pugnacious - but soon thereafter deleted it becuase I thought it to crass. SO - glad to have you back!!!!!!!!!!!! :wavey:

Originally Posted by dissention

Just what does he think is going to happen? He's bitched before about paying "half" of his paycheck in taxes because he wants to abolish welfare, but wait until he's drafted to Iraq and he gets his combat paycheck. He'll die from shock if a bullet doesn't hit him first.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I know - and W will send him there ill equipped and he can hope his parents have enough $$$ to buy him the needed supplies :shrug:

I fly just about every other week and see hundreds of soldiers either going to or coming from Iraq - some returning for good and some on a five day furlough (sp.? ) It breaks my heart to see them.

Originally Posted by dissention

Bite my ass. :wavey: