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CarneVaca 08-25-2004 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
Okay, sorry I am so mad. I just thought it was a bit rude that one of my threads was locked and furthermore, everyone thinks I am the troublemaker on this board when I am not! At least, I don't mean to be.
You have the right to be mad. The thread wasn't merely locked, it was deleted. That is a total abuse of the moderating power, as I see it.

CarneVaca 08-25-2004 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nixxxed
And you're not wasting YOUR time, you're wasting OUR time.
I can only waste your time on this board if you allow me to.

Nixxxed 08-25-2004 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
I can only waste your time on this board if you allow me to.
You're not wasting my time. I really needed a good laugh today -- I think this is HILARIOUS. :laugh: By now, I would make a significant bet that your computer is smoking, your fingers have begun to cramp, and that good ole Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is having its sweet way with you. I see it so clearly now -- you simply can't help yourself, and that's why "Addicted" Ledgie is the perfect description for you. Seriously dude, control issues.

"And nothing you can say can change my mind." So spare yourself the knuckle-ache.

CarneVaca 08-25-2004 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Nixxxed
You're not wasting my time. I really needed a good laugh today -- I think this is HILARIOUS. :laugh: By now, I would make a significant bet that your computer is smoking, your fingers have begun to cramp, and that good ole Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is having its sweet way with you. I see it so clearly now -- you simply can't help yourself, and that's why "Addicted" Ledgie is the perfect description for you. Seriously dude, control issues.
Seriously, dude, don't worry about it. I write for a living. So typing for me is like breathing. While I do this I am working on three other projects at the same time. Yeah, seriously, dude, you talk about control. That's control.

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"And nothing you can say can change my mind." So spare yourself the knuckle-ache.
I don't care to change your mind. You're giving yourself more importance in how I perceive your interference in this thread than I have.

diamondsnake 08-25-2004 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
You have the right to be mad. The thread wasn't merely locked, it was deleted. That is a total abuse of the moderating power, as I see it.
I completely agree. Now, if I made a racist, hateful post then I could completely understand it being deleted. But all I said was "What's going on with Burnish?"

ThinLine 08-25-2004 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
If I remember correctly, you were one of the people who violated the rules of this board yesterday by insisting on posting about the burnish.net nonsense even after a moderator asked that the discussion be stopped. So not only did you show utter and complete disrespect to the spirit of this community and its guidelines, you doubled that by disrespecting the moderator. You, sir/madam, are in no position to reprimand anyone. And I would suggest you stick around and observe a little more before you get on your soapbox again.



There you go again. How many times are moderators here going to have to tell you not to carry over discussions from other boards to this board?



It is also wrong to continue to insist on discussing matters that a moderator has asked you to stop discussing, or do you not see that? And, frankly, I don't really care what you think is wrong, especially since you have already barrelled through here disrespecting the community and specific individuals.



I disagree with your assessment that I have mocked him. I merely asked Marty some questions, some of which he answered and some of which he didn't. Do you see me pressing him further on the issue of the locked thread that was duplicated? No. I am merely pressing on the issues that I do not feel were answered.

You would do well to tone down your sense of indignation about my behavior until you adjust your own.

Like I said, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, many of us know how you love that. I am going to say that not everyone posts 3300 times to have to be told by someone like you to "stick around". I've been around since the beginning and quite possibly longer than you. Thousands of people visit this site who don't post.

It's been pointed out to you many times that you can leave if you're so unhappy about the way this site is run. I would think someone with your high standards, sense of right and wrong about free speech, proper site design and management skills would have taken their leave long ago or started their own open message board. But that would take money and time and energy for something that benefits many people.

You didn't merely ask Marty some questions, you demanded the stickies be removed, NOW. You mocked the management skills of Marty and his moderators with your Mickey Mouse remarks, you demanded answers and told him how to design and run his site.

amber 08-25-2004 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
I completely agree. Now, if I made a racist, hateful post then I could completely understand it being deleted. But all I said was "What's going on with Burnish?"
But I don't think anyone faults you for it being locked. I seem to recall that I asked "What happened?" and then someone said what happened and then other people started talking about what happened, there was the inevitable disagreement, then Johnny said that he doesn't want a disagreement about Burnish, and the posts therein, besmirching the Ledge, lest something untoward be said about Tracy or Burnish in general, he didn't want the toxic carry over. Seems to me. Or, IMHO. It was nothing about you.
AMber

CarneVaca 08-25-2004 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinLine
Like I said, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, many of us know how you love that.
Wow, you've been here, what, two, three days, and you already know me!!?

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I am going to say that not everyone posts 3300 times to have to be told by someone like you to "stick around". I've been around since the beginning and quite possibly longer than you. Thousands of people visit this site who don't post.
That's wonderful, but so what?

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It's been pointed out to you many times that you can leave if you're so unhappy about the way this site is run. I would think someone with your high standards, sense of right and wrong about free speech, proper site design and management skills would have taken their leave long ago or started their own open message board. But that would take money and time and energy for something that benefits many people.
I am perfectly happy where I am. And, really, I'm not sure why it should matter to you so much where I post. :shrug:

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You didn't merely ask Marty some questions, you demanded the stickies be removed, NOW. You mocked the management skills of Marty and his moderators with your Mickey Mouse remarks, you demanded answers and told him how to design and run his site.
This is utter nonsense. I told him "how to design and run his site?" I'd like you to quote back to me where I said that. You can't because I never said it. For someone who claims you know me so well, it's weird that you missed the humor in my post, what with the references to Mickey Mouse and all. The people around here who have grown accustomed to my style of posting probably got that.

Johnny Stew 08-25-2004 03:40 PM
The Burnish thread was closed and then deleted because it was perpetuating a personal feud. Which is clearly against our FAQs.
Christopher (diamondsnake) this is through no fault of your own... it was simply the direction in which the thread went.

The new "Burnish Situation" thread that is currently sticky, was posted by me to clear the air a little. It was not meant to be a discussion, it was meant to be an explanation.

Also, it was never my intention to leave it sticky for more than about 24 hours or so, in order for people to have a chance to read it.
After that, I had every intention of un-sticking it.

For the record, I'm on a slower computer and I'm on a dial-up connection, and I have no problems scrowling past a few sticky threads.

CarneVaca 08-25-2004 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
The Burnish thread was closed and then deleted because it was perpetuating a personal feud. Which is clearly against our FAQs.
Since when did we start deleting threads? I thought the practice was to lock them. Did you make an arbitrary ruling or has the policy changed?

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The new "Burnish Situation" thread that is currently sticky, was posted by me to clear the air a little. It was not meant to be a discussion, it was meant to be an explanation... so therefore I closed it.
Seriously, Johnny, you don't see anything wrong with posting a thread and locking it immediately so you can have the last word, and then going back, unlocking it, using it for the personal resason of apologizing to a friend, relocking it and disallowing people from replying? You think that was proper?

Johnny Stew 08-25-2004 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
Since when did we start deleting threads? I thought the practice was to lock them. Did you make an arbitrary ruling or has the policy changed?
Why is assumed that I'm even the one who deleted it? I'm not the only moderator here, although I realize I'm usually the most vocal.

And deleting threads is not a new thing. Threads have been deleted in the past for violating FAQs.

It's not something we like to do, and it's not something we've done very often... but it has been done when it's considered necessary.


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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
Seriously, Johnny, you don't see anything wrong with posting a thread and locking it immediately so you can have the last word, and then going back, unlocking it, using it for the personal resason of apologizing to a friend, relocking it and disallowing people from replying? You think that was proper?
I made a judgement call. I don't expect everyone to agree with what I did, but I felt I needed to do it. And I don't apologize for it.

diamondsnake 08-25-2004 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Christopher (diamondsnake) this is through no fault of your own... it was simply the direction in which the thread went.
But that is just the thing- the thread wasn't going in a bad direction. Everyone was being civilized and it was not turning into a fight. When the Ledge was shut down for about a week last year there were posts on Burnish and BN.net about it and people speculated. Why can't people wonder what happened to Burnish when it has shut down? I think you should have only deleted my thread if a fight happened or if people were being nasty to each other. There is nothing on the FAQ that says we can't talk about other Fleetwood Mac websites.

amber 08-25-2004 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
But that is just the thing- the thread wasn't going in a bad direction. Everyone was being civilized and it was not turning into a fight. When the Ledge was shut down for about a week last year there were posts on Burnish and BN.net about it and people speculated. Why can't people wonder what happened to Burnish when it has shut down? I think you should have only deleted my thread if a fight happened or if people were being nasty to each other. There is nothing on the FAQ that says we can't talk about other Fleetwood Mac websites.
People were fighting, member?
AMber

The Tower 08-25-2004 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
But that is just the thing- the thread wasn't going in a bad direction. Everyone was being civilized and it was not turning into a fight.
Ummmm... I would have to disagree with this one- there were definitely some uncivilized tones in that thread. There were some sly, venomous comments that were made about another poster that could have easily slid into a "personal feud"- except for the fact that that particular poster had the smarts to not react to the venom.

I think Johnny was right to lock it- although, I don't think it necessarily needed to be deleted.

Johnny Stew 08-25-2004 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
But that is just the thing- the thread wasn't going in a bad direction. Everyone was being civilized and it was not turning into a fight. When the Ledge was shut down for about a week last year there were posts on Burnish and BN.net about it and people speculated. Why can't people wonder what happened to Burnish when it has shut down? I think you should have only deleted my thread if a fight happened or if people were being nasty to each other. There is nothing on the FAQ that says we can't talk about other Fleetwood Mac websites.
If there were conversations on Burnish and BN.net about The Ledge, so be it. Our guidelines and FAQs don't apply anywhere but here.

And keep in mind that there is nothing wrong with having general discussions about other fan-sites here... that's not the issue. The issue was negative comments made about the site, and then negative comments made (by both sides) in regards to why the Burnish message board is no longer functional.

As I said, personal feuds and "wars" that happen on other sites, are to stay there. And derogatory comments about those sites and the people who run them, are not acceptable here.

It's that simple.

ThinLine 08-25-2004 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
Wow, you've been here, what, two, three days, and you already know me!!?



That's wonderful, but so what?



I am perfectly happy where I am. And, really, I'm not sure why it should matter to you so much where I post. :shrug:



This is utter nonsense. I told him "how to design and run his site?" I'd like you to quote back to me where I said that. You can't because I never said it. For someone who claims you know me so well, it's weird that you missed the humor in my post, what with the references to Mickey Mouse and all. The people around here who have grown accustomed to my style of posting probably got that.
You obviously didn't understand the concept the first time so here it is again. There are thousands of people who visit the Penguin and other fan sites and don't post at all or rarely post. That doesn't mean they don't read the threads or arrived here yesterday or 3 days ago.

I don't know why I'm bothering but here it goes, from your original post........


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Who is running this forum, John Asscroft!?


Get rid of the stickies. Now!

Get rid of them. Or find a place for them exclusively. The last I checked there is a "Ledge Boards" area in this forum and that's where these things belong

THIS IS A MICKEY-MOUSE WAY TO RUN THINGS, and that kind of practice BELONGS ON MICK'S BOARD, not here.

I want answers!!

Gee, Marty, now you're objecting to how I choose to write my posts. That kind of thing should be beneath you.
Sorry, I don't know how to make change the size of the type and use the fancy red type to drive your point home once again.

It seems many people including Marty missed the humor in your post and Marty commented on the hostility in your first post. You didn't point out to him in your reply that your references were supposed to be meant to be humorous and since he owns the site and you know that he's been here longer than 3 days, somehow he didn't see the humor either.

SteveMacD 08-25-2004 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
That is a total abuse of the moderating power, as I see it.
That would be true if this were a public forum. However, this is not a public forum. This is a privately owned forum that is for entertainment purposes only. Marty owns this forum and has invested a lot of time, energy, and money into the forum. Therefore, he can do things his way. End of discussion. You do not have a say in how Marty runs his site. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. It's really that simple.

dissention 08-25-2004 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Lux
Oh you just like to argue. Are we trying to protect innocent minds? I would argue (if I could be bothered, however I can't so I'll just state this) that an account of nearly choking to death on ones own drug induced vomit is not much of an endorsement and in fact does the opposite of encouraging drug use. And since it was specific to illegal substances I don't see much justification. So if someone starts eating themself to death is that taboo too? It's not illegal, but it's not particularly healthy. Or can we mention drugs as long as we follow this mention with a condemnation of them?

I see the government men in black suits coming for me. I say take me, or would have if I wasn't being gagged. Anywho I'm just typing for the sake of typing. As has been documented, when it comes to internet sites I appear to have an overwhelming sense of apathy. Continue.

My 1 cent. Like the regular two but I lost one in the car on the way over.
I could care less if the thread was deleted or not because I had no use for it, but it takes a stretch of the imagination to think that the folks who support this board with their money would want to waste it on the crap that was in that thread. Download AIM.

My 3 cents.

gldstwmn 08-25-2004 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hippocampus
I'm intrigued. You wouldn't happen to know a great deal about dual identities and secondary accounts per chance? :lol:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ;)

The Tower 08-25-2004 05:38 PM
^------- Me, too!! I thought that was SUCH a slamola!!! Very funny....

Lee 08-25-2004 06:18 PM
Ban The Stickies!
 
Yes, I say ban them, every freakin one of them! They are in my way! They are keeping my from getting to the threads faster. I need to know the Mac info ASAP! I just HATE scrolling past them! It's putting extra wear & tear on my fingers! :distress:

Damn wish I knew how to use that red. Looks so nice. :nod:

And disappearing threads? How could you, Mods? I didn't even get a chance to read them. Locked threads? I didn't even get to post in them. I am so upset. Mickey Mouse would be upset, too. :(

I, too, demand answers!

Sure hopes this helps, Carn. :wavey:

Lee :)

dissention 08-25-2004 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
I completely agree. Now, if I made a racist, hateful post then I could completely understand it being deleted. But all I said was "What's going on with Burnish?"
:nod:

Or if it was a borderline psychotic jumble of words that seemed to have no explicit point other than to annoy everyone else and make you look like a fool for your stupidity when it comes to prescription drugs. ;)

Hell, those "Zeps and Sharks" posts on the Chit Chat board were offensive simply because they were so asinine that anyone who read them would instantly have 12 points shaved off of their IQ.

dissention 08-25-2004 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
For the record, I'm on a slower computer and I'm on a dial-up connection, and I have no problems scrowling past a few sticky threads.
We must have tea and crumpets sometime while the two of us are still in the Stone Age. ;)

Johnny Stew 08-25-2004 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dissention
We must have tea and crumpets sometime while the two of us are still in the Stone Age. ;)
Yeah, there's like, what, three people left still on dial-up... and we're two of 'em! :p

DeadliestPoison 08-25-2004 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Yeah, there's like, what, three people left still on dial-up... and we're two of 'em! :p
And I'm the third one ;) :wavey:

½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ® 08-25-2004 06:58 PM
Puff a dank doobie
 
Wow people. Life’s too short. Bad Karma vibes happening here. Relax and let life be what it will. Harmonize and be in the moment with a humble heart. Make love not war. My suggestion to everyone is set aside some time today if only for a few seconds to enjoy a good masturbation. :thumbsup:

jbrownsjr 08-25-2004 07:00 PM
OH LORD..... :shocked:

DeadliestPoison 08-25-2004 07:07 PM
....Wow.

o_O

amber 08-25-2004 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr
OH LORD..... :shocked:
You rang? :laugh:
AMber

dissention 08-25-2004 07:08 PM
I agree with our Insane buddy, release that bad karma. ;)

jbrownsjr 08-25-2004 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dissention
I agree with our Insane buddy, release that bad karma. ;)

you're just mad someone put out more than you! ;)

and amber i'll deal with you later!!!! :eek:

CarneVaca 08-25-2004 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
I made a judgement call. I don't expect everyone to agree with what I did, but I felt I needed to do it. And I don't apologize for it.
Evidently you don't have to. You've done enough apologizing already.
;)

And if you didn't delete the thread, are we to understand some other moderator did it, and then you went to the trouble of posting about it, locking the thread with your post so you could get the last word, then posting again while everybody else still couldn't? Why go through so much trouble to finish someone else's job?

dissention 08-25-2004 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr
you're just mad someone put out more than you! ;)

and amber i'll deal with you later!!!! :eek:
Well, I was always a little leery of certain acts after I viewed "There's Something About Mary," but our Insane friend has a point. ;)

diamondsnake 08-25-2004 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dissention
I agree with our Insane buddy, release that bad karma. ;)
Oh my stars.

CarneVaca 08-25-2004 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
But that is just the thing- the thread wasn't going in a bad direction. Everyone was being civilized and it was not turning into a fight. When the Ledge was shut down for about a week last year there were posts on Burnish and BN.net about it and people speculated. Why can't people wonder what happened to Burnish when it has shut down? I think you should have only deleted my thread if a fight happened or if people were being nasty to each other. There is nothing on the FAQ that says we can't talk about other Fleetwood Mac websites.
Damn right! It is natural for people to be curious about what is going on on another FM board.

And the reason that I have no doubt this was arbitrary and without merit is that for months last year there were more threads here criticizing Mick's board than any other topics. And the stuff that was being posted was pretty nasty. And when I suggested to Marty that he put a stop to it because it reflected poorly on the Ledge itself, he roundly repudiated me. So I find this particular thread deletion especially curious in light of that. I suspect it had something to do with a moderator's friendship with the owner of burnish.net.

CarneVaca 08-25-2004 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinLine
You obviously didn't understand the concept the first time so here it is again. There are thousands of people who visit the Penguin and other fan sites and don't post at all or rarely post. That doesn't mean they don't read the threads or arrived here yesterday or 3 days ago.
Believe me, I don't need you to explain anything to me twice. My point was, so what? And it still is. So what?

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Sorry, I don't know how to make change the size of the type and use the fancy red type to drive your point home once again.
Stick around. You'll learn. ;)

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It seems many people including Marty missed the humor in your post and Marty commented on the hostility in your first post. You didn't point out to him in your reply that your references were supposed to be meant to be humorous and since he owns the site and you know that he's been here longer than 3 days, somehow he didn't see the humor either.
Marty can read. If he's read this whole thread by now and missed my point about the humor, that's unfortunate. But I've made the point.

I suspect you keep missing my other point. I'm not going to take scoldings from you. So I suggest you cease and desist, and go about your business.

Johnny Stew 08-25-2004 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
And if you didn't delete the thread, are we to understand some other moderator did it, and then you went to the trouble of posting about it, locking the thread with your post so you could get the last word, then posting again while everybody else still couldn't? Why go through so much trouble to finish someone else's job?
I'm not saying whether I deleted it, or if someone else did it. The removal of the thread was made by mutual decision. Period.

The locked thread I created was in response to concern that the wrong impression was left by my last comments in the now-deleted thread.
My additional comments were made, solely because the more *I* thought about it, the more I felt that I owed someone an apology.

As I've said before, no one has to agree with it... it was a judgement call that I made.
And by all rights, I don't really owe you an explanation on this. :)

CarneVaca 08-25-2004 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveMacD
That would be true if this were a public forum. However, this is not a public forum. This is a privately owned forum that is for entertainment purposes only. Marty owns this forum and has invested a lot of time, energy, and money into the forum. Therefore, he can do things his way. End of discussion. You do not have a say in how Marty runs his site. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. It's really that simple.
And you do not have a say in how I choose to criticise the site or make any other comments, for that matter. If you don't like it, move on to another post. It's that simple.

CarneVaca 08-25-2004 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
If there were conversations on Burnish and BN.net about The Ledge, so be it. Our guidelines and FAQs don't apply anywhere but here.
Johnny, why didn't you ever step in when thread after thread not long ago was going for pages and pages about Mick's site. And the content of those threads made this burnish thread look like a defenseless kitten. Why isn't Mick's site immune to this kind of thing?

diamondsnake 08-25-2004 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinLine
Sorry, I don't know how to make change the size of the type and use the fancy red type to drive your point home once again.
It's pretty easy. There is a font selection bar above the posting box. You just have to select the text you want to change by highlighting it and then select the font, color, or size.


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