I'm sorry, but all you're doing is making completely nonspecific comments. If indeed Javier has 'unknown' elements to his 'situation', he's got a forum to voice it. We're forming quite reasonable and structured arguments. You're just saying 'Well, you could be wrong. I know nothing about anything, but you could be wrong.'
It's a bit unnerving.

Umm, I think you need to back up in the thread. My comments were made in reference to David's comments about fans withholding music from other fans. I was not and have not been talking about Javier and the tracks he is now posting on the Penguin.

By the same token and since you brought it up, I don't know anything about Javier's situation and yes, for all any of us know he might have reasons why he is doing things the way he is, or this is simply his choice to handle it the way he has been. I don't feel Javier has to voice anything in this forum or any other. He owns the tracks and the songs and they're his to do with as he likes.

But I made no such comment qua comment. Instead, I commented about bragging: publicly announcing that you have no intention of sharing what you have. It's an entirely different issue from someone who merely decides he won't or can't share. I have no problem with the latter; what a person does with his stuff is none of my business.

If I had something I wasn't going to -- or couldn't -- share, other fans would never know. (At least, I'd like to think so.) But if I went around to all the message boards & newsgroups just to chirp, "This never-released Stevie Nicks album is amazing, but you'll never hear it," other fans would be fully justified in thinking me a horse's ass.

Is this distinction between stances clear? I hope so this time, because my comments are so invariably misunderstood, & I'm certain the problem isn't my verbal skills.

Incidentally, I think Javier should tell the record companies to take a hike, & release his Fritz music (I hope he has some concerts, too!) online. The esteemed Rickie Lee Jones has a great system going for her fans: a large selection of new & previously unreleased music, in CD & MP3 format, on a pay-per-download system. Her CDs are found at: http://snipurl.com/8nh1. The MP3s themselves are at: http://snipurl.com/8nhb.

It seems there are a lot of misunderstandings in this thread.

First of all, I don't know about any members related to this band who have publicly stated that they have no intention of sharing what they have

The incidents I thought you were refering to were the ones that dissention commented on in their post, the Peacekeeper sampler and the Big Yellow Taxi cover. If you were talking about Javier in your original post I would have no way of knowing that because as far as I could tell, Javier is interested in getting this music out there at some point. I also see a big difference between a fan stating "I have something and I'm not sharing it" and the situation with Javier. That's my opinion.

You also stated in your original post




Have there been other members of FM or artists associated with this band who have publicly stated they have something everyone wants but don't want to share it? If there are I'm not familar with it and I didn't think that's what you were talking about in your original post that I responded to.



I thought there was one issue of Javier's songs and how or when or if he would be able to release them, and fans who brag about having things that other fans want but they're not sharing it.

I also agree that fans bragging about having things they're not willing to share is wrong.

Perhaps he would like to share full songs if we ask nicely? :woohoo:[/QUOTE]

Asking nicely never hurt Marty--he can tell you about that. I would have loved to share all the Fritz music with you since I first discovered The Penguin in 1999. And yes, it would be nice to earn some money for it, there is value there. But even though I own the studio and live recordings I still need to get permission from my colleagues to commercially release this. I intend to go that route. IT will take a little time because S&L are very busy people. However, that's the road I must take. I am a principled person. Numerous times I have expressed my gratitude to Stevie and Lindsey for their great success which has made interest in this music even possible. In the meantime, I meant to share some of it with y'all, but I can't give it all up in one stroke. Should I just give it all away? Well, I can at least give away some of it, but not all.

There are two songs written by Stevie and two by Brian. They are part of the live set material and I would hate to not include them in a collection. I believe fans should hear the whole sets, all the songs in their original order. IT would be great if I could enlist S&L's company (Warner Bros) to distribute the CDs. THis material should have the best opportunity to reach the widest audience. The suggestion posted about selling downloads is a good one. I would consider it if there were no recourse through S&L, however, I am patient, and my inclination is to first see what can be done with their help. We had a short meeting in June, but it was a sincere coming together. I know we will meet again and have a serious talk about what to do about all this. I am very optimistic about the future. I believe there is global appeal and of course, I think the quality is there, even on cuts where the vocals are hard to hear. Its rock history, folks. You all will get to hear an entire piece. I will send Marty a complete song in the coming weeks. And SodaScouts will soon be posting some meaty Fritz too. Both the message of the songs and the music are still timely in 2004, thanks to the general de-evolution of the recording industry over the last 20 or so years.
IF you understand digital technology at all you know I could not just post all the complete songs because that would make it too easy for bootleggers or unethical people trying to make a quick buck, such as we've seen lately at Ebay. To characterize what I have done as "dangling a carrot" is disingenuous and wrong. I never intended to leave the fans "dangling," or to tease people. This was done simply to gauge interest. But I understand there are some folk who would just question anything coming from me. That's o.k., there's always gonna be someone out there who doesn't like brocoli. I'm more concerned with reaching those more receptive souls who haven't made up their minds so quickly.
You will soon be treated to some long Fritz cuts. That should spur plenty of spirited discussion about S&L's early music experiences. I appreciate your comments.

Javier, I won't question your principles or motives. I am curious, however, as to why you have to get permission from your colleagues to post complete song files but not snippets. I would think if permission were required for one, it would be required for the other.

This is a choice and I respect the choice. But now you're saying I. So it is your decision to make then, right? So why do you need permission to post a couple of complete song files?

No, I don't need to get permission to post these, only to make money from their sale. I assume the Fritz members may be entitled to a certain percentage or some renumeration as co-performers. But because of the nature of digital, even if I didn't want to sell and only wanted to share everything it would be foolish to post everything outright, cuz next we'd see more pseudo-Rock anthropolgists claiming to possess "rare" recordings for $$$ at Ebay. IT is my intention to put out a historic CD with notes, pics (there are still some pics that have not been exposed to the public), and the live music in the order it was originally performed, as well as the studio and home recordings. SÃ*? When I last saw Lindsey, I gave him a newly-burned sampler CD of Fritz and echoed what someone on the Ledge had once said before: "This (Fritz) music will only enhance your legacy among your fans." I am sure he agreed.

Javier, that sounds like a good idea. In the meantime, give us a couple of complete songs, won't you! :woohoo:

Fritz sampler from the penguin
 

Does anyone have mp3 files to share from Fritz sampler from the penguin? Does anyone have the track names or a compact disc for sale?
Any information will be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Martin pardys