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ericktul 08-08-2003 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by PenguinHead

Please be careful not to take any of the information provided on bootlegs as fact, unless you can substantuate it. I've been a Fleetwood Mac follower longer than most of the fans on this site have been alive. I know better.

Wow. Is it really that big of a deal? I mean, I think as long as you know what tour it's from, that's good enough.

Cristian 08-08-2003 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by sodascouts
...your expertise (wisdom the likes of which newer fans like me, in our wretched ignorance, can only hope to one day obtain)...
Tehee... :laugh:

Nothing more to add, I guess. It wasn't such a big deal anyway.


Song of the moment - Green Manalishi

Johnny Stew 08-08-2003 04:34 PM

In the grand scheme of things, the correct labeling of Fleetwood Mac's live shows is a pretty inconsequential thing... but I'll tell ya, for us obsessive types, it's enough to almost drive you crazy. :cool:

I've seen several auctions on eBay for concert CDs from years when Fleetwood Mac or Stevie didn't even tour... ie: "This amazing show is from Stevie's sold-out world tour in 1984!!!" :confused:

Unfortunately those kinds of mistakes have made it very difficult to pin down dates on some of the earliest bootlegs... such as the Trod Nossel Studios recording in Connecticut (often bootlegged as 'Who's The New Girl'), or the King Biscuit Flower Hour show (the locale is often given incorrectly on that one too).

I started work on a site a couple years ago, trying to correct those kinds of things... giving the actual dates (as best as I could find in my research), locations, full track-listings (since some CD bootlegs actually contain truncated versions of shows originally bootlegged on vinyl), etc., but it got put on the backburner, and still never completed.
I am the king of procrastination unfortunately.

kdemelli 08-08-2003 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by PenguinHead
A statement of fact: The very short Mirage tour took place in 1982. There were no Fleetwood Mac concerts in 1983 -- Stevie was on to her Wild Heart period by that time. It doesn't take much effort to confirm this.

It's so easy for someone to get the facts wrong, and then have a whole lot of people accepting it as the truth. I tried to convince one on-line fan that her 1983 Mirage CDR show was from 1982. Yet I don't think she really believed me because "It says 1983 on the CDR!" (Just shoot me, please!)

Please be careful not to take any of the information provided on bootlegs as fact, unless you can substantuate it. I've been a Fleetwood Mac follower longer than most of the fans on this site have been alive. I know better.

As far as I'm concerned I corrected myself, and then was told that it was similar but not the same bootleg as the one in question. The fact that I allowed my original mistake to show is in some ways proof to the fact that I believe that facts should be correct. I did make the effort and I found a date that corresponded to the time frame of Mirage as well as the city that was listed on my bootleg. I'm sorry that the initial misinformation caused you to doubt the degree to which I value truth, but in the end I made an honest mistake and I corrected it.
Kate

PenguinHead 08-09-2003 12:46 PM

Perhaps I communicated my thoughts with just a little too much attitude! Sorry...I guess a few lines could be construed as condescending. I shouldn't have written it in the state I was in -- angry and upset about my job search and mitigating circumstances. Next time I'll take my aggressions elsewhere.

Still...as a self-proclaimed obsessive collecter, and as a professional writer, details are absolutely important to me. And I hate to see misinformation spread around to the point where it becomes considered as fact.

With regard to collecting shows...speaking for myself, the more information I have about a particular show, the better. Historical accuracy (dates) is obviously important to distinguish hundreds of concerts.

Plus, with regard to what JohnnyStew mentioned, without the proper information, it becomes easy to obtain a duplicate of show you already have -- because the date was misrepresented.

In fact, I think the few less-than-credible, dubious traders/sellers that lurk out there sometimes diliberately mislabel shows so to dupe people into buying something they already own. Am I being paranoid? Has this happened to anyone?

sodascouts 08-09-2003 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by PenguinHead

Still...as a self-proclaimed obsessive collecter, and as a professional writer, details are absolutely important to me. And I hate to see misinformation spread around to the point where it becomes considered as fact.


I understand. I too have been aggravated to wait ages downloading a song on WinMX labelled one thing when it is actually something I already had. I had two different versions of "Trouble," both labelled Center Stage. I had to pull out the videotape and watch it, then compare it to the MP3s, to discover which one was TRULY from Centerstage. I still don't know where the other one was from. It's pretty bad when you have to record the times of the songs and file sizes to make sure you're not downloading duplicates.

So I'm certainly not proud of the fact that it was mislabelled on my site. In fact, it's quite embarrassing, which is probably why I reacted so badly to being used as the example of a lazy ignoramous in your post, lol.

Sorry about your job search. Hope things go better.

Johnny Stew 08-09-2003 03:37 PM

Hi Nancy... could that version of "Trouble" be from Lindsey's 1981 appearance on SNL, or the San Juan Capistrano bootleg?
I've seen both of those floating around on WinMX and KaZaA.

There are some things that I've just given up on ever knowing the true source & date.


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