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jbrownsjr 06-04-2021 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1267476)
Lindsey and Christine worked REALLY hard on Tango.

It's also well documented that it was Richard and Lindsey that really drove and coordinated the sessions and all of the long hours that went into that album.

I think it's a hard pill for people to swallow at times, but we really wouldn't have Tango if it wasn't for Lindsey, Richard, and Christine. There was nobody else remotely sober enough to keep that bus from driving over the cliff.

Christine talked a little bit about Tango and how they put things together back then. (During the BuckVie interviews).
Some of the co-writes were them making greats songs from separate bits each she and Buck had written/composed.

It shows the difference between Christine and Stevie. One is a hard working musician that has always put the band first and always willing to compose for band projects. The other is a narcissistic, fame hungry, pseudo diva that self serves at all costs. Even at the cost of the other members that helped build her fame and fake personality.

BigAl84 06-04-2021 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1267482)
Christine talked a little bit about Tango and how they put things together back then. (During the BuckVie interviews).
Some of the co-writes were them making greats songs from separate bits each she and Buck had written/composed.

It shows the difference between Christine and Stevie. One is a hard working musician that has always put the band first and always willing to compose for band projects. The other is a narcissistic, fame hungry, pseudo diva that self serves at all costs. Even at the cost of the other members that helped build her fame and fake personality.

AND the "other" has had how many people actively want to work with her, hand her material or create material specifically for her? All these years later they still fail to recognize how many people helped them along the way. Walter Egan gets to sit in the backstage hospitality room next to the kiss 98.5 guy. Mike Campbell said it himself, he sent her a cassette of tracks after the 2018 tour wrapped up and he got radio silence.

UnwindedDreams 06-04-2021 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1267484)
AND the "other" has had how many people actively want to work with her, hand her material or create material specifically for her? All these years later they still fail to recognize how many people helped them along the way. Walter Egan gets to sit in the backstage hospitality room next to the kiss 98.5 guy.

A Star is Born:p

vivfox 06-04-2021 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by On Ice (Post 1267454)
Noticed the Walter Egan comments earlier- Especially the first album Fundamental Roll and the pictures of the two of them- you can instantly tell our idol was in a pre-fame completely different place.

Stevie was already a HUGE star when Magnet & Steel was released in the summer of 1978. The flip side of the single was Tunnel O' Love. Two great songs. Those songs along with Whenever I Call You Friend, Gold & Midnight Wind all came out after the huge success of Rumours and tied me over quite comfortably until Tusk was released in late 1979.

bombaysaffires 06-04-2021 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1267487)
Stevie was already a HUGE star when Magnet & Steel was released in the summer of 1978. The flip side of the single was Tunnel O' Love. Two great songs. Those songs along with Whenever I Call You Friend, Gold & Midnight Wind all came out after the huge success of Rumours and tied me over quite comfortably until Tusk was released in late 1979.

She was definitely the "it" girl then

Villavic 06-04-2021 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1267482)
Christine talked a little bit about Tango and how they put things together back then. (During the BuckVie interviews).

So she was right about being upset when Lindsey said (in 1987):
"I've done it all arranged, produced, played guitar, sang. I just can't . . . hack it . . . and do it all anymore."

jbrownsjr 06-04-2021 08:05 PM

I love all those songs, too. They are such good tunes. I don't even like Kenny Loggins that much, but those two sang so well together. And it's a great song. Magnet and Steel was played over and over again. And it was fantastic.

HomerMcvie 06-04-2021 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1267494)
I love all those songs, too. They are such good tunes. I don't even like Kenny Loggins that much, but those two sang so well together. And it's a great song. Magnet and Steel was played over and over again. And it was fantastic.

It's too bad he was just a one hit wonder....(wasn't he?).

He ended up a substitute school teacher, and a model on billboards for getting new hips in Nashville(maybe 5 years ago).

HomerMcvie 06-04-2021 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1267493)
when Lindsey said (in 1987):
"I've done it all arranged, produced, played guitar, sang. I just can't . . . hack it . . . and do it all anymore."

That's a heavy cross to bear, when you're a complete control freak!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

BombaySapphire3 06-04-2021 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1267498)
It's too bad he was just a one hit wonder....(wasn't he?).

He ended up a substitute school teacher, and a model on billboards for getting new hips in Nashville(maybe 5 years ago).

Hot Summer Nights also made the top 40 and I believe it was an even bigger hit in a discofied version when another band covered it.

HomerMcvie 06-04-2021 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1267500)
Hot Summer Nights also made the top 40 and I believe it was an even bigger hit in a discofied version when another band covered it.

Thank you. Magnet was all I remember from back then.

jbrownsjr 06-05-2021 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1267499)
That's a heavy cross to bear, when you're a complete control freak!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

He wasn't doing it all. He was indeed doing the most I'm sure. But Richard and Christine did a lot, too. I think when he says that it's aimed at (rhymes with boat).

UnwindedDreams 06-05-2021 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1267505)
He wasn't doing it all. I think when he says that it's aimed at (rhymes with boat).

Do It All is not the same as Do Everything either.

He does it all... sing, write, play, arrange, engineer

Chris may've been upset with Lindsey then but she certainly let him "have his way" with her songs for the BuckVie album.

michelej1 06-05-2021 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1267416)

He did say that he and LB loosely keep in touch and they do usually go out for dinner or something when LB is in town. He commented that once they got stratospherically famous it just changed everything and it's its own world, and you can, at best, just pop into it every once in a while. My sense when he was saying this was the machinery that surrounds them (LB's "Big Machine") takes over, and for some people, the ego stuff too.

Thank you for the summary. I did not want to listen to the entire interview.

Do you know what? When someone you have known since you were 17 and worked with for 50 years nearly dies and you don’t put aside your differences and call them on the telephone at the very least, then you are not still nice deep down inside. You can plunge the depths all you want. At this point in time it’s as shallow inside as it is on the surface.

UnwindedDreams 06-07-2021 07:11 PM

Putting this fine gem from Stevie in 2017 here. Such brilliant, eloquent and intellectual answers she gave:
Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie are about to release an album as a duo. It seems like it started as a Fleetwood Mac album, but you chose not to participate.
I’ve been on the road [solo] since last September, so I don’t understand their premise. Christine was gone [from Fleetwood Mac] for 16 years and came back, did a massive tour, and then it’s like, “Now I’m just gonna go back to London and sit in my castle for two years”? She wanted to keep working. I will be back with them at the end of the year for, I think, another tour. I just needed my two years off. Until then, I wish them the best in whatever they do.

Do you want to make a new record with them?
I don’t think we’ll do another record. If the music business were different, I might feel different. I don’t think there’s any reason to spend a year and an amazing amount of money on a record that, even if it has great things, isn’t going to sell. What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn’t all that much fun.

HomerMcvie 06-07-2021 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1267540)
Putting this fine gem from Stevie in 2017 here. Such brilliant, eloquent and intellectual answers she gave:
Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie are about to release an album as a duo. It seems like it started as a Fleetwood Mac album, but you chose not to participate.
I’ve been on the road [solo] since last September, so I don’t understand their premise. Christine was gone [from Fleetwood Mac] for 16 years and came back, did a massive tour, and then it’s like, “Now I’m just gonna go back to London and sit in my castle for two years”? She wanted to keep working. I will be back with them at the end of the year for, I think, another tour. I just needed my two years off. Until then, I wish them the best in whatever they do.

Do you want to make a new record with them?
I don’t think we’ll do another record. If the music business were different, I might feel different. I don’t think there’s any reason to spend a year and an amazing amount of money on a record that, even if it has great things, isn’t going to sell. What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn’t all that much fun.

$$$tevie Nick$$$$$, the $$$$nake that $$$$trangled FM.

jbrownsjr 06-07-2021 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1267507)

Do you know what? When someone you have known since you were 17 and worked with for 50 years nearly dies and you don’t put aside your differences and call them on the telephone at the very least, then you are not still nice deep down inside. You can plunge the depths all you want. At this point in time it’s as shallow inside as it is on the surface.

This statement is how I feel, too. It's so hard for me to wrap my head around. She's an empty pretentious vessel of nasal air.

UnwindedDreams 06-07-2021 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1267545)
This statement is how I feel, too. It's so hard for me to wrap my head around. She's an empty pretentious vessel of nasal air.

How do you not know she's too busy to make the call! He should be grateful he got a letter from her!

From NME:
“Being an ex-girlfriend, I wrote more than that. I said: ‘You’d better stay well and you’d take care of yourself’.

Wasn't that so warm and comforting?

“But we haven’t had any communication [since the letter]”, she added. “It’s OK. If it’s ever meant to happen, it will. If we’re meant to communicate ever again, we will. It’s not happening right now.”

Checking-in during his recovery and rehabilitation wasn't meant to be. When he's ready to apologize for her mandatory cardigan uniform on the 2003 tour, then they can start communicating.

BombaySapphire3 06-07-2021 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1267545)
This statement is how I feel, too. It's so hard for me to wrap my head around. She's an empty pretentious vessel of nasal air.

I know that there are others that fame and money has warped and transformed in terrible ways. Just no one that I had so much invested in and for so long. Such a disappointment what she has become.

jbrownsjr 06-07-2021 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1267547)
I know that there are others that fame and money has warped and transformed in terrible ways. Just no one that I had so much invested in and for so long. Such a disappointment what she has become.

It makes me sad, to be honest. She may have very well caused his condition. It's so very inhumane to do that to someone. Not just the firing, but the cutting him out. She couldn't even tell him to his face that she didn't want to tour with him anymore. She had mgmt do her dirty work and then went on National TV and lied through her teeth. Christine's face in that interview says it all. Stevie had to grab their hands to lie. Their body language was very telling.

Mick's even afraid to mention him in interviews. He's so careful about what he says. And has even admitted he's been scolded. It's like she owns all of them.

Now I understand why they were afraid to call BuckVie a Fleetwood Mac album.

jbrownsjr 06-07-2021 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1267546)
How do you not know she's too busy to make the call! He should be grateful he got a letter from her!

haha! The letter where she told him what to do.

I'm not the boss.

HomerMcvie 06-07-2021 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1267548)
It makes me sad, to be honest. She may have very well caused his condition. It's so very inhumane to do that to someone. Not just the firing, but the cutting him out. She couldn't even tell him to his face that she didn't want to tour with him anymore. She had mgmt do her dirty work and then went on National TV and lied through her teeth. Christine's face in that interview says it all. Stevie had to grab their hands to lie. Their body language was very telling.

Mick's even afraid to mention him in interviews. He's so careful about what he says. And has even admitted he's been scolded. It's like she owns all of them.

Now I understand why they were afraid to call BuckVie a Fleetwood Mac album.

What a f*cking PATHETIC ending to our band.

jbrownsjr 06-08-2021 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1267550)
What a f*cking PATHETIC ending to our band.

But, they love each other!

michelej1 06-08-2021 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1267546)

From NME:
“Being an ex-girlfriend, I wrote more than that. I said: ‘You’d better stay well and you’d take care of yourself’.

Whoa! Being an ex-girlfriend, she really got deep down and personal. Gives me goose bumps, even now.

jbrownsjr 06-08-2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1267568)
Whoa! Being an ex-girlfriend, she really got deep down and personal. Gives me goose bumps, even now.

Silver lining, she got to boss him around once last time! :wavey::laugh::distress:

michelej1 06-08-2021 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1267571)
Silver lining, she got to boss him around once last time! :wavey::laugh::distress:

Yes. Just imagine the fun she would have had when he could not talk. She should have taken the opportunity to tell him off good, while he was unable to reply, even if she had to take a break from the FM tour to do it.

jbrownsjr 06-08-2021 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1267577)
Yes. Just imagine the fun she would have had when he could not talk. She should have taken the opportunity to tell him off good, while he was unable to relply, even if she had to take a break from the FM tour to do it.

I'll follow you down to til the sound of my voice will haunt you!!!

michelej1 06-09-2021 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1267599)
I'll follow you down to til the sound of my voice will haunt you!!!

I was just thinking that although kicking him out of the band hurt him deeply, there’s probably nothing she could SAY to him that he would even care about. He’s already heard it all. “You’re bad in bed. I wish you dead.” He’d just shrug.

Well, she could tell him Tusk stinks again. That never ceases to get under his skin.

jmn3 06-09-2021 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1267546)
From NME:
“Being an ex-girlfriend, I wrote more than that. I said: ‘You’d better stay well and you’d take care of yourself’.

Wasn't that so warm and comforting?

“But we haven’t had any communication [since the letter]”, she added. “It’s OK. If it’s ever meant to happen, it will. If we’re meant to communicate ever again, we will. It’s not happening right now.”

Checking-in during his recovery and rehabilitation wasn't meant to be. When he's ready to apologize for her mandatory cardigan uniform on the 2003 tour, then they can start communicating.

Stay well! Take care of yourself!!

Stevie the ever incredible poet, devoting as much sentiment to someone she’s known for 50+ years as you do to that person in high school who asks you to sign their yearbook but you’ve never said more than two words to ever. Her letter to him had as much depth as “have a great summer! Good luck next year!”

WatchChain 06-11-2021 10:28 AM

I get it. We’ve been had.

I speculated early on after Lindsey “firing” if the whole drama wasn’t just some plan to give Lindsey some time off from “The Big Machine” to work on a solo album and save a crumbling marriage. Then—a global pandemic, a heart attack, and a pesky divorce unexpectedly delayed the game plan.

The plan would also keep the band working and employ Stevie’s friend Mike after the untimely passing of his band leader.

The ultimate finale would be a kiss and make up FAREWELL tour designed to send the Rumours 5 out in grand style. Unfortunately, age has started to kick in and the farewell needs to happen sooner than expected.

We are “punters” and this band has been toying with us for 46 years.

mitzo 06-11-2021 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WatchChain (Post 1267698)
I get it. We’ve been had.

I speculated early on after Lindsey “firing” if the whole drama wasn’t just some plan to give Lindsey some time off from “The Big Machine” to work on a solo album and save a crumbling marriage. Then—a global pandemic, a heart attack, and a pesky divorce unexpectedly delayed the game plan.

The plan would also keep the band working and employ Stevie’s friend Mike after the untimely passing of his band leader.

The ultimate finale would be a kiss and make up FAREWELL tour designed to send the Rumours 5 out in grand style. Unfortunately, age has started to kick in and the farewell needs to happen sooner than expected.

We are “punters” and this band has been toying with us for 46 years.

Ssshhh... That would make Lindsey look, well, you know...:shocked::confused:

David 06-11-2021 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1267699)
Ssshhh... That would make Lindsey look, well, you know...:shocked::confused:

Partly guilty of subterfuge.

After all, they don’t call it the big machine for nothing!

I got played in 1997 when, after a decade of musical meandering and innocuousness, the five got back together with a seemingly new maturity in which each member’s strengths were lovingly highlighted and all the band’s quirks were celebrated again by critics and the public, as in days of old. I was gullible enough to think that the reunion ethos would settle over all the band’s activities from that point on. But then Christine went and left, and Stevie trotted back off to the solo career (the career that was initially started to accommodate a band that wouldn’t record enough for her taste), and the others kind of stood around wondering, “What happened to our new dawn?” That flush of excitement and good will didn’t even last a year.

I’m not certain that this band and its surrounding machinery engineer all this drama so far out into the future. I think what happens is that someone gets annoyed and turns dramatic and creates a sort of activity vacuum, and the rest of the team spills in because of gravity, and all sorts of hokum is disseminated to the press. Despite their reputation, I don’t think Fleetwood Mac are very resilient — I think they have always responded like a simple life form in a petri dish when you poke it with a small instrument.

Storms123 06-15-2021 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1267568)
Whoa! Being an ex-girlfriend, she really got deep down and personal. Gives me goose bumps, even now.


She reminds us all she's his ex-girlfriend when it suits her.

jbrownsjr 06-15-2021 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Storms123 (Post 1267775)
She reminds us all she's his ex-girlfriend when it suits her.

Nearly everything she does or reminds of us, suits her.


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