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Tango 12-08-2003 08:58 AM

Re: Paper Doll- anyone else love this song?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by diamondsnake
This song is just plain fun, I love it! Anyone else like this song? No one ever talks about it, but I think it is great!

Why does EVERYONE hate Stevie's stuff from the late 80's early 90's? I think Paper Doll is one of her best, as well as some of her stuff from OSOTM, BTM, and Street Angel.

"There you go again" Christopher! :laugh: How many people have you polled to get this "everyone" statement??? ;)

Count me as a fan of Paper Doll, too. I also love the video. Not to scream and shout, though. :)

Moon Brother 12-09-2003 06:25 AM

"You like a man with a future...you like a woman with a past..."

Oh Yeaahhh!

That totally sets the mood for me. I confess to being one of those crazy kind of folks that sings while walking down the street listening to their CD walkman. You know the kind - the kind of strange folks you try to avoid on the street.
I like to believe that I am spreading the word of...well..."Stevie" - to all that will listen. There are certain Stevie songs that I feel everyone on the planet should be able to hear.

"Paper Doll" is always on my top ten list of things to sings to the world at large. I also find that my singing habits keep the muggers away from me!

If you ever feel physically threatened on the streets or in some dark alley - simply bust into song with the tail end of Stevie's live Mirage tour version of "Sisters Of The Moon" They'll never know what hit them! It's better than mace!

This is my top ten list of songs I love to sing to while walking down the street listening to my CD walkman acting like a fool but I just don't care.

1. "Rhiannon" (Mirage Tour - live version)

2. "Sisters Of The Moon" (Mirage Tour - live version)

3. "Violet and Blue"

4. "Paper Doll"

5. "Gold Dust Woman" (White Wing Dove Tour - live version)

6. "Belladonna"

7. "Desert Angel"

8. "Destiny Rules"

9. "Gypsy"

10. "Sara"

So if you're ever in San Francisco and you hear someone croonin' on the streets these very songs, especially "Paper Doll" come on over and join the chorus!

"Well I was your Paper Doll...Paper Doll...
Well it doesn't really matter...it was a real clear answer..."

Peace, Love, and Magick~
Moon Brother

joe 12-09-2003 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cristian
I think this is one of the rare cases in which Rick, Billy and Lindsey are in the band. Lindsey came up to do some guitar/vocal overdubs after the song was done, I think.

i always wondered whether Lindsey was in the chorus on that one...i always thought i heard him but wasn't sure since there really was no credits to prove it.

i didn't like this song overall at first. i couldn't believe it was actually getting airplay. but there were certain parts of it that i kind of liked such as verses: "yesterday i was fascinated..." and
"he says, well i have forgotten you..." now i actually like the song a lot better than i used to. i guess it's grown on me although i haven't heard it in a while.

when you listen to stevie's late 80's/early 90's stuff, you really have to forget about the "rhiannons" and the "saras" and the "gypsys" etc etc because she wasn't going for that kind of sound at that time. Plus, she needed to branch out and try some new arrangements since the older stuff had gotten beaten into the ground.

dissention 12-09-2003 09:18 AM

Another Paper Doll fan!

On first listen, it's a tad jarring. But it certainly grows on you faster than fungus. I love the "Well, I have forgotten you and your beautiful eyyyyyyyyyyes." One of her better songs from tat era! :D

JamieSPC 12-09-2003 12:38 PM

This is a top-five favorite Mac song for me, and my wife's all-time favorite. There's so much going on in the song, both musically and lyrically, and it's so different from the "normal" Mac sound.

I've always felt this song was about the Buckingham Nicks cover shoot and the time around the BN album. Stevie has talked about the nude shot in interviews as being a thing she regrets in her career and something that made her vastly uncomfortable. I know Stevie's songs are often a hodge-podge lyrically and therefore tough to interpret but think about it:

"You could have said no
You could have said well I just can't"

Stevie has used those exact words about the BN cover shoot in interviews.

"Woah we were off the wall
We were mirrors of each other"

The picture was certainly off the wall, and the front and back covers of the BN album are mirror images.

The whole concept of "Paper Doll" could be seen as being about dressing up (or not dressing at all).

Often knowing a little FM or SN history makes her songs much more meaningful. I've always seen this song in that light.

~Jamie

PenguinHead 12-09-2003 01:30 PM

I always heard this line as such:

"You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of apathy"

Which makes sense considering the following line...

"And not to scream and shout"

The thought being that not caring that much is easier than caring to much.

I don't hear "agony"

AliP 12-09-2003 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PenguinHead
I always heard this line as such:

"You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of apathy"

Which makes sense considering the following line...

"And not to scream and shout"

The thought being that not caring that much is easier than caring to much.

I don't hear "agony"

I always thought it was "you prefer to be just a little bit in and out of love with me."

sarahw 12-09-2003 07:19 PM

Does anyone have the video they can email to me? I have looked all over to no avail....

Cristian 12-09-2003 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AliP
I always thought it was "you prefer to be just a little bit in and out of love with me."
I hear that too! And I think it makes much more sense that way.



Song of the moment - Second Hand News

PenguinHead 12-09-2003 08:26 PM

??????...yes "You prefer to be just and little bit in and out of love with me" of course, that is the first line of the stanza. That's unmistakable!

It's the second line in question....let me spell it out...

You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of love with me
And not to scream and shout
You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of -----------?

It's either agony or apathy. Probably "agony" but "apathy" would
be more dynamic.

EveryHour 12-09-2003 10:27 PM

Hmmm...

To me, it's unmistakably "agony"

AliP 12-09-2003 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PenguinHead
??????...yes "You prefer to be just and little bit in and out of love with me" of course, that is the first line of the stanza. That's unmistakable!

It's the second line in question....let me spell it out...

You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of love with me
And not to scream and shout
You prefer to be just a little bit in and out of -----------?

It's either agony or apathy. Probably "agony" but "apathy" would
be more dynamic.

whoops. Just listened to it, sounds like "agony" to me. Good catch, I never noticed that before!

celestenadia 12-09-2003 11:54 PM

I've always heard ,"I've forgotten you and your beauty for long."

Tango 12-10-2003 12:48 AM

Cool interpretation JamieSPC
 
Puts a new spin on a very old song! :)

From Nicks Fix:

Paper Doll
- written by s. nicks, r. vito, j. heron
- appears on Fleetwood Mac The Chain (1992)
- appears on The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac (2002)
- released as a CD single; b-side The Chain (U.S. 1992)
Lyrics

You like a man with a future
You like a woman with a past
Well do you really believe that
She said to the faces in the crowd


(Chorus)
Yesterday I was fascinated by somebody else
Yesterday I was fascinated by somebody else


And even if you did miss me
You never let me know
You'd prefer to be just a little bit
In and out of love with me
And not to scream and shout
You'd prefer to be just a little bit
In and out of love with me


(chorus)


Come on now let sad winds blow down
As the rain came...she refused to wear her coat
But deep in her heart she knew
That the song must go on


He says well I have forgotten you
And your beautiful eyes
We were off the wall
We were mirrors of our former selves well


You could have said no
You could have said well I just can't
Woah we were off the wall
We were mirrors of each other...passing by


(chorus)


Well I was your paper doll...paper doll
Well I was your paper doll...paper doll
And it doesn't even matter
It was a real clear answer

Johnny Stew 12-10-2003 12:56 AM

Re: Cool interpretation JamieSPC
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tango
From Nicks Fix:

You'd prefer to be just a little bit
In and out of love with me
And not to scream and shout
You'd prefer to be just a little bit
In and out of love with me

From the very first time I ever heard the song, I've always very plainly heard "in and out of agony" the second time.

As great as the Nicksfix is, they do get a lyric wrong sometimes. :)


By the way, deribish, it does almost sound as if Stevie is singing, "I have forgotten you and your beautiful lies."
I actually like the line better that way. :)


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