so you think her reasons are not of creative or professional nature but more personal non-comfort for whatever reason?

She doesn't have the talent to carry out her own vision. She needs someone else to do it. Christine and Lindsey can both write, play, arrange and produce.

So her only power is to have a solo career and hire someone to make up for her lack of ability. If you think about it, why would she stay in a position where she has to share the limelight. Answer: a tour worth multi-millions of dollars. She doesn't get that with a FM album.

So my theory is she will go back to where she has her own power and decision making. Tonight Live Nation presents... Rod Stewart & Stevie Nicks.

and yet I'd bet you dollars to donuts she'd totally claim that she's given up way too much time to FM this century at the expense of her solo career. It's just how she sees things; don't confuse the issue with facts.:( She seems to think all the Mac tours just limited her solo time or something... well, ya know, you can turn them down sistah... oh but wait, the money, the money the money.....

Clearly (to me) not wanting to do an album with LB in charge is one of her big problems. But as has been noted, that is fixable.

Then I thought, maybe it's her ego, she can't get past the fact that a new album won't go gold let alone platinum... but then, neither did her last two solo albums...

So yeah, I don't get what's up her bum about an album, I really don't.:mad:

More like Michael Bolton or Wayne Newton & Stevie Nicks. It's all downhill from here folks! :nod:

Probably a combo of those three. And the personal reasons could affect the professional reasons.

(We sound like shrinks.)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Flushed out! Most likely that is just a mistake by a writer who doesn't know "flush" from "flesh," but wouldn't it be funny if it is really a subtle comment on the whole situation? Maybe Stevie won't be happy until Lindsey's contributions are flushed out of this proposed new album altogether!

Not for me.I enjoy easy listening music.


No. Not again.I love Rod but not touring with Stevie.

Side note here .I just heard on the radio that Robin Thicke Pharrell Williams lost the case with the late legend Marvin Gaye's family on Blurred Lines.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/...ng-6125769.php


I was thinking of Stevie and FM getting ripped off by others.

OK back on topic .

Back on topic you say?

Okay: I'm so depressed that the new FM album, if it ever does appear, will not surface at least until 2017.

I'm so sick of these people. Sick of them. Sick. Sick. Sick.

I wish right now the other four would just release what they have on iTunes and commit to working on a new album of other songs later. I don't even care if Stevie's involved anymore. I just want new music. New music. New effing music.

It's about the music... not the selfies.. not the demos... not the money...
MUSIC please....

Amen, brother. Amen.

The next album is destined to be a great posthumous success.

(pats Tony on the shoulder)
Think of it like an extra-long Jerry Lewis movie.

The news is getting out on Google.

I noticed they used the words "may take a couple of years"..

It will be worth the wait to present the songs in the more solid context of a complete comprehensive album that lives beyond the digital world.

However, the long meantime, it would be nice if they could threw us a bone or two, and preview some early versions of a few songs that will be featured on their album in a more refined form.

curious
 

I wonder, if after the success of The Dance, Christine's departure, and the subsequent re-signing with WB , if Stevie n Lindsey didn't insist on "owning" a piece of the band. Mick n John were in no position to play hardball. maybe they CAN'T release a new "Fleetwood Mac" record without Stevie or Lindsey BOTH being on board... just a thought.

HHAHAHAHAHA.... He's been sick of her a long time.

Someone asked this question in the meet and greet. The answer was yes. They were going to do a new album. Mick stated that Christine and Lindsey had a lot of new material to contribute. He didn't mention Stevie material. He didn't come right out and say that Stevie is the wrench in plans, but he stated that Stevie had things "going on" that would affect how fast they could start or how long it would take to complete the album.

Stevie has always been committed to Fleetwood Mac. I wonder why she would put "something" ahead of the band.

I translate this to Stevie wanting to write new material after the tour, put it to demo form, see if she can synch up with Dave Stewart's schedule to produce her tracks within FM, then bring all of that to the band. With Christine back in the fold I sense now more than ever that Stevie will want to bring her A game for this album. She will want to contribute new, not recycled material. And she'll want that material to be presented in a way which is flattering to her, hence my speculation she'll want to make sure Dave is available when the time comes.

Not just that, I still think Stevie will want to do some sort of promotion for her 24k Gold album after the FM tour wraps. I still suspect that'll be a hand picked collection of theatre dates in select markets. If she did that, and performed mostly 24k material, she could get the best critical reviews of her career, IMO. When she went screening her In Your Dreams documentary in theatres and did the small shows for the Sound City promotion, she was having the time of her life. I can totally see her wanting to do something boutique like that for 24k, especially with the clock ticking on this whole FM album.

Whatever the case, Stevie will want some space from FM after this 2 year tour wraps. I think once she has her ducks in a row she will rejoin FM for this album. One can never be terribly sure of anything involving this band; but I really, really don't think Stevie will pass up the chance to record one last album with the Rumours 5.

I agree. She won't pass up the opportunity to record with the Rumours 5, but I am just surprised she isn't working with them first. Instead of putting her work on the back burner, she is putting that first and putting the Mac on the back burner. That was a surprise to me.

Yeah, Lindsey is putting his solo stuff on the backburner and he's been doing FM for exactly as long as she has except he hasn't taken any breaks to do solo stuff and doesn't intend to do so after the tour either. He understands the significance of this reunion.

I'm not doubting that Stevie will eventually join them. I am disgusted that, at their age, and after a long tour where they have presented the same old songs, we have to wait two more years (if all goes well). They are all old now. In two years, Christine will be 74. The time is now. No creative venture of Stevie outside of the band context justifies the wait. Not after all these years. Not when the possibility is so damn close. I'm sorry, but it's true. This is all so intolerable.

I don't doubt that Stevie will eventually participate either, but the process of pulling her teeth to get her there has already tainted the experience. It's hard to get excited about her being on it, if she clearly doesn't want to be. That doesn't mean that the music won't still sound good, whenever it is released. I'm sure that there will be some real gems from all three, but I do think something that should have been joyous has already been soured.

Moreover, I don't think her ultimate contribution will be worth the years of delay. I don't know why they can't put out new music now, without her, and then put out more music later in 2017 when she's ready.

I'm also not looking forward to the interviews she will inevitably give describing what a magnanimous sacrifice she has made by taking part in the album, how angry, impatient and jealous all the others were, and how everything wrong with the album is not only not her fault, but something she fought against. If everyone had listened to her, all the album's bad parts would never have existed. The album is still an embryo waiting to be fertilized, but I already know how the interviews are going to play out.

Michele

I totally agree. A normal band would put out an album now with the members who are available, and another album later with the whole band. It doesn't make sense to wait for 2 years for Stevie's contributions, especially since they will most likely be the least interesting musical components of the album. Yes, of course the full band, all 5 of them, is the most popular configuration, but they can be popular enough with just 4 of them. They made Say You Will without Christine, why can't they make an album without Stevie, given that the rest of them are primed and ready to go.

I'm getting nauseated just thinking about it. Honestly...

Just what is it Stevie wants to do that is so earth-shattering, really?? The Rhiannon songs? I hate to say it but her voice is NOT up to those songs anymore. Part of what is so compelling about the demos is how gorgeous her voice was…. the full range she could sing. She can't now. She can crank up a high note if she needs to (like Sorcerer) but you hear her working to do it when she does. It was all so effortless then. Like her voice on Dreams (on Rumours). She just glides into those high notes with no thought, no visible effort. Now you can feel the effort, and she sings more slowly and measured now to consciously get her voice where she needs it to go. Before it was wild and untamed, even in the Wild Heart days. Now it's stodgier. I don't imagine Rhiannon as quite the grizzled veteran Stevie is now. I still think she's interesting to listen to, but not on those songs.

So, what? More demos? Fine, but is that REALLY worth holding up the final FM album for?? Really???

She does not to put up with the studio bickering .Just let her do her thing and the thing will get done.I cant blame her for that.

Who wants to go to work and put up with the bickering of coworkers every day.

Sorry about being to blunt.I think its one of the issues here.

She rather record her vault music or what ever she likes with Dave with no headaches with FM.

You make some very salient points!

It's not that she doesn't want to to be on the album; she just wants to regain her power of choice. In the past she was more tolerable in weaving her solo career around her responsibilities to Fleetwood Mac.

The timing of Christine's return to the band was the catalyst. It clashed with Stevie's solo plans. She was likely obligated /pressured into committing to this extremely extensive tour.

Stevie initially seemed so excited and enthusiastic when Christine rejoined. I foolishly thought it was in terms of collaborating and recording new music with her. I can understand why this slavish tour has soured her interest in investing any more time with them.

It's frustration, not jealousy that divides them. Stevie has it easier compared to the rest of the band. Since she doesn't play an instrument, they carry most of the weight. She just has to contribute three songs, and sing harmonies on a few other songs. Why would this seem such a burden on her?

See, this is the interesting thing to me. I don't think she DID seem very excited and enthusiastic about it. In all the press, yes. When interviewed in person? Not so much. I think the most striking example was at the Grammys (IIRC). She was asked if she and the band were excited about Christine's return and she said she was "excited FOR her". Almost every comment about her return being so wonderful has been accompanied by that 'I told her that it's really tough, that she'd need a trainer, that she had to stay', and so on.

I honestly thought I'd see far more excitement from her in video interviews leading up to the tour, and frankly, I didn't. She does seem very happy onstage with Christine's return, though. I think much of that has more to do with a greater feminine energy or whatever she'd call it, as well as a change in her onstage 'burden' when it comes to lead vocals and so on. Less pressure on Stevie.

Also interesting to me is how typically dramatic Stevie gets about Christine saving her from the 'wilderness' or however she described the past 16 years, and that they're BFFs or whatever. And yet Christine, when asked whether she'd kept in contact with the band during her absence, never even mentioned keeping in contact with Stevie or Lindsey in her response, only the two Brits.

Jealousy?
 

When my mom and dad separated back in 2001, I was devastated. It hit me like a truck and I just had a VERY hard time dealing with it...and I was in my 20's!

I lived with my dad after they separated/divorced and we got along great. Then, in 2005-2006, my mom started coming back around. Eventually, they were re-married in 2006. I was conflicted and mostly not happy about it. I tried to put on the glad-you-are-back-together face, but inside...I was just not happy about it. There are a million reasons why that I'd rather not share here.

Perhaps that is what Stevie is feeling too. She's no longer the only girl, she had gotten used to that and she had come to grips that Christine was gone for good. Now, she's back, Lindsey is super excited about working with her and I think Stevie thought she would be able to work more on solo stuff and other interests. Now...that has changed.

I dunno...just a theory. :shrug:

Wow, we agree. On stage when Christine did, Don't Stop in London, Stevie looked beside herself. In the 40 years I've been watching Stevie Nicks, I don't think I've ever seen her that happy.

Then in the interviews I didn't see much of that enthusiasm, either. I think part of it is that she doesn't like to steer the conversation away from herself. Talk about another woman in my interview?? Hell no!

I genuinely believe they were like sisters early on and share war stories. I believe they were co-conspirators in breaking up with the FM counterparts. Especially since both John and Lindsey have alleged stories of yelling and violence. But I think as they broke into their solo careers there friendship became just like B/N relationship. More nostalgia than anything else.

Is she happy Christine is back? Yes. Does she want to record with them? No.

Why? My theory is because both Lindsey and Christine take over FMac albums and Stevie gets left in the dust. When she does her solo album she can boss everyone around because they are paid by her to arrange, fix, produce and make her raw material a finished product.

Whilst in FMac, she has to get patted on the head by her co-writers, especially Lindsey, about how her music will be crafted and presented. Why would she want that after 12 years? If Stevie was interested in making a B/N or Mac project, believe me.. she would make it happen.

She's interested in doing her own thing after, but only after she collects the huge paycheck from this world tour. And that's my story.

Totally agree. If Stevie keeps forcing them to delay the album, it might eventually have to be released as Fleetwood Mac - Songs from the Crypt.:mad:

so hilarious!:laugh:

oh please, let's not give credence to this characterization that comes straight out of Lindsey's mouth and is so clearly biased by his own version of the past. Co-conspirators! Like leaving him was a crime?? Very Freudian there, Linds. Like Stevie wouldn't have left him had Chris not been around? Again, serious 'reality distortion field' there Lindsey (as people used to say about Steve Jobs). When he says **** like that it makes me really respect John that much more. Own your part then shut up about the rest.

I used his quote on purpose. Honestly, I really think all he meant from that was having two women talking to each other sped it up for Stevie and Christine. I don't think he thinks that Christine broke up their relationship.

I don't either ;)

I just get a bit tired of his continued insistence on victimhood regarding his relationship with Stevie. And his ongoing, outdated ideas about women. :eek:

Surprisingly, Mick owns his stuff more than any of them. He talks about how he's ruined marriages, finances, etc...

Christine owned her need of therapy which was cool.

John has owned his struggles with alcohol throughout the years, too. I think the Brits are the most honest and objective about themselves.

Right. He has always said that he and Stevie had problems to begin with, before they ever met FM and maybe they would have worked it out and maybe they wouldn't have. And I don't think he saw Christine as a conspirator as much as he saw her as a sounding board for Stevie.

Stevie has said the same thing herself about her and Christine only having each other to talk to about the crazy men.

I don't agree with you that they were like sisters. I mean, yes sisters .... I think the entire band has a sibling relationship with each other, but I think Christine only sees Stevie as a little sister that you love, but might not have much in common with, rather than as a confidant. And I think that was true even in the early days and they were closest when they were sharing that condo, while recording, but that was probably just about it. I think they have love, but not a great connection.

Michele

I do think they took some trips together in the early days. I know they went to Hawaii together during the Rumours recording break. But still, I do tend to agree that they say they were closer than they actually were.