I agree.In that interview the 1st thing to come out of Chris's mouth was "I'm here for Stevie".

Some fans seem so desperate to me... Always trying to scream the loudest so that no one else can be heard.

Stevie played the game and won. The others couldn't care less until now. You snooze you lose.

But as Stevie says,"Nobody has the balls to tell me what to do":distress:Plus,they were "in love"(whatever that means to her) and had their thing going on,along time ago albeit.She was probably in charge of that too.

Say something that makes sense and we might actually listen.

We only scream loud because your head is so far up your a... Never mind. I won't waste being clever on you. You're like a neutered puppy, you wouldn't get it.

What exactly did she win? A Def Leppard mirror? She OPENED for Rod Stewart on a pavilion tour a few years ago, she's HEADLINING with Fleetwood Mac on an arena tour right now. Stevie outside of Fleetwood Mac is hardly "winning."

Yeah, because they already knew the path to major success was Fleetwood Mac. THE very last time anybody in Fleetwood Mac had a top 40 single was in 1990, a quarter of a century ago, and it was a Christine McVie song. The relevance of Stevie's solo career is long, long gone.

What are you talking about? Before Christine's return Stevie was absolutely necessary or else it would just be a Lindsey solo album. In fact, Mick and John appear on several tracks on his last few albums. Just the 3 of them. Never once in Fleetwood Mac's history has there only been one singer/songwriter. That's not how the band operates. None of your arguments are based in reality and truth is Stevie has power within the band.

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You're going to catch HELL for this comment, but Stevie is the face of the band. no one else is "summoning" reporters for interviews, getting magazine covers, or even remotely on the pop culture landscape as Stevie is.
I guess the proof is in the pudding. this is the MOST commented thread in the midst of the band's current tour. Love or hate her, she brings attention.

I don't agree. I haven't been to one of their shows since the Dance. I will only go to a show with the five of them. If any of them leave I am no longer interested. For me it's about the five of them.

Listen Human Torch, the reason this thread has gotten so much attention is because, like Fleetwood Mac, Fleetwood Mac fans are frustrated by Stevie's lack of commitments to the band. We'd rather have the glorious combination of the Fleetwood-McVie-McVie rhythm section coupled with Buckingham's amazing finger style guitar playing combined with those harmonies. That doesn't happen on a Stevie Nicks solo album.

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but the harmonies aren't "amazing" without Stevie

right, and those 5 backup singers…...

Maybe not, but Lindsey and Christine can do adequate harmonies. They proved that on most of Tango in the Night. But I think also the point was that Stevie's songs are better with those elements as well.

Accept it! Life will be so much easier... You are going to have a heart attack trying to convince everybody otherwise...

Re-read the post!!!

Stevie does not have to do anything! Until Mick Fleetwood tells her she has to be in the studio on a certain date and if she fails to appear there will be stern consequences then she will continue to do as she pleases. And the fact that she continues to do as she pleases and is disrupting the attitude of the the other employees of the company is a direct result of her Boss being unwilling to take action.

And as for before the CM return...Peter was replaced. Bob was replaced. Lindsey was replaced. Stevie was replaced once before. Why would that time have been any different?. It's something that's part of the business.
Having one SS could have been a new chapter in the FM story.

http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8d33dbbd.jpg

But this is Fleetwood Mac the greatest Fleetwood Mac "Tribute" band out there...They have become nothing but a caricature of themselves and will do NOTHING that will put their "Cash Cow Rumours /Oldies Tour" revenue in jeopardy

What stern consequences? That she's out of the band? That was my point. You couldn't get rid of her at that point because all you had was Stevie and Lindsey.

And it IS different. You keep thinking that things are the same as back when they were young and in the prime of their careers and had to keep going. Since they reunited the Rumours lineup for The Dance that's all it was ever going to be. They weren't going to go back replacing members with new guys anymore. They aren't a current band who can establish a new lineup with hit songs and albums. They're an oldies band and the fans, hardcore and casual alike, aren't going to be receptive of new band members. At this point they don't have to keep going. They can just retire. There's no incentive for them to bring on new band members and try to make it again.

I would be, but I get what you're saying and I'd be OK with them retiring at this point. :)

John

it might be interesting if they have Lindsey and Christine, and they replace Stevie - depending on who they replace her with, whether they look for creativity or fame in the replacement member etc.

but i feel strongly having the only iteration of the rumours 5 that we didn't have yet - Lindsey and Christine heading the band (since we had Lindsey and Stevie, and we had Stevie and Christine), without any replacements would be the most interesting, and very appropriate.

You're right.I think Bucky's "whole new chapter" speech is a bunch of caca.What new chapter?They are wrapping things up now and I don''t think they have the energy or desire to break a newbie in at this point.I know I sure wouldn't.And I don't think anyone would be particularly interested in joining their band just b/c everyone knows their time is limited and that Stevie is a REAL tough act to follow IMO.

This reminds me of what Stevie said about Mick's new line up in 1994:

i don't know that they initially planned to wrap things up.... LB certainly seems to have more energy than people half his age, and Christine doesn't seem that far behind. but i think if they want to stay in their rumours 5 incarnation they are forced to wrap up since SN is not willing to be creative with them.

i have no doubt that anyone who would join the band instead of SN would get lots of hate from chiffs, and if it's someone that's not well known they may have a really hard time... i mean, just read this thread! :laugh:

if it would be someone more popular than Stevie, than i guess they would become somewhat of a supergroup.

Lindsey seems dead set on recording after the tour though so maybe that's with or without Stevie.

This is Stevie's legacy too. Do you really think she won't be on the last studio record? With all the work she has done to keep this band relevant. She will be there.

it was not supposed to be their last studio record... and still doesn't have to be.

she doesn't have to be on their next one since she clearly doesn't want to. she can wait till they get to the last one and probably they'd let her be there.

^^ i couldn't agree more, and this will be there last album folks.. All 5 members are healthy now, & health wise things could be different in 5 or so years down the track.. Their not going to let this opportunity slip by now that Christine is back, and have already worked on some new songs with Lindsey etc..

I don't think it has to be somebody more popular than Stevie, per se, but it would have to be somebody with an independent mainstream identity, so that she wouldn't be expected to be Stevie II. Like when Sammy took over for David Lee.

but it will be.

they can't drag this sh&t out forever, and I don't think they want to.

I just have this feeling that part of the conversation with Chris rejoining was about her saying yes, that she was bored in the country blah blah but also that she felt she didn't want to have any regrets, that she wanted to give it one more good go before it was too late. As I say, this is just my own opinion based on nothing in particular. And I imagine Lindsey and Mick saying yes, let's do it, let's do one more big go round, we'll make an album and a tour and finish this whole thing nicely. Remember in the SYW doc when LB is talking to John about the DR album and then of course a tour and he says how it'll be a helluva 4 or 5 year run? I think that's what they had in mind with Chris' return. We'll do an album and that'll eat up a year and then we'll go into rehearsals for a month or two and then we'll go on the road and it'll start for so many dates and we'll probably end up adding more and adding countries and be on the road for a couple of years in total….

And you figure if they had indeed spent 2014 on an album and then hit the road for 2015-2016 and recorded a bunch of it then worked on editing and overdubbing the dvd and putting that out and all…. that 4-5 year run would take them til 2019 or so. By 2019 Chris would be 76, Mick 72, John 74, Stevie 71 and Lindsey 70. They'd go out with full pockets and a nice legacy. From there Lindsey can spend his remaining days doing solo stuff, working with Chris, whatever, and Stevie can do all her last solo stuff. I mean, I just don't see them touring when Chris is 80, you know??

But Stevie is the fly in the ointment. If she wants a lengthy hiatus from the band, like even a couple of years let alone the magical 3 years, wtf will the others (besides LB) do during that time? Drift off and come back in 3 years, which will be 2018 at least…and then, at the time they had thought they'd be winding down for good, they'll be expecting to gear up for an album and mega tour?? If they wait til 2018 even a 3 or 4 year run of making album and then touring will take them into 2021….now you've got Chris at 78, John 76, Mick 74……come on. No way.

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what female rocker is more popular than Stevie? they'd have to find a country or pop chick to fill that bill

I dont get the 4 or 5 year album/tour thing. I think LB with JM had other things encompassed within 4/5 years.
The current tour started in October and once Australia/NZ is done it'll be October/November. This whole massive tour is only a year or slightly more. If they'd spent 2015 working on an album then they'd have had the album out and tour wrapped up by the middle of 2016. It wouldnt be them directly editing a DVD. Other people would do thet I'm sure and would take little/no time. They wouldnt have needed to go to 2019. By 2019 they could have had 3 albums out if Stevie Nicks just got her sh*t together.
If they knocked an album out by the end of this year they could do a tour in mid-2016 and then a last album in 2016/17.

But no...it's all just going to fizzle out.

Sheryl Crow. I'm sure Stevie would be happy she was replaced by one of her good friends.

country
 

Sheryl went country because her rock records no longer sold

They'd never add another singer now. If Stevie doesn't participate they'll just do a foursome or quietly disband.

That said
Thinking of women of a suitable age bracket...

Tori Amos (sure, they don't need another pianist but her kooky personality would add so much fun to the band)
Annie Lennox (a bit bland for my liking, but if Stevie wants to go off and work with Dave then maybe AL could join FM edit: and I bet she could belt out a half-decent Rhiannon)
Wendy James (no particular reason except I had a crush on her when I was 15)

well, I'd disagree with you respectfully on this point. FM spends a long time overdubbing and sweetening the music and vocals on any dvd they put out (a huge chunk of The Dance is overdubs and tweaks). It almost becomes like recording another album in some ways. FM never puts out truly live, raw recordings and never will. It's not in their nature. So someone might edit the video, but Lindsey and whomever will be running the whole audio mixing and fixing and that takes months with these people.

I do totally agree with you, sadly, that it will fizzle. :(

on a happier note, there's some lovely moments of Lindsey and Chris working in the studio during Tusk in this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6t3ut06pz0#t=172

But the point would be just to find someone to sing Stevie's songs, wouldn't it? To me, it would be better to go with a no name than to replace her with a singer with her own catalog of hits that would have to be shoehorned in.

That said, I don't want any replacements for anyone. Just put out the album as a foursome and tour as a foursome, if it comes to that. No new people at this stage of the game. They could find 2 Stevie songs to add to the setlist to pay homage to her, like they did when Christine was gone and that can be the end of it. No new singer. Then Stevie can return in a couple of years and they can get "reunion" publicity for the umpteenth time.

Michele

I don't think you can equate it to recording an album. The Dance came out just three months after it was recorded (to coincide with the start of the tour). Yes there was a fair bit of over-dubbing but most of the time-consuming work was done by Elliott Scheiner, surely.

well, he can't sing or play. so the band members have to be available to come in and re-sing vocals, dub vocals, or play additional instrumental pieces. that's the kind of thing I meant that is similar to making an album, i.e. band members have to be there and go to the studio, some outside person can't do that, they can just be at the controls of the recording/mixing.

when Elliott was giving Lindsey one of those music legend or whatever it was awards few years ago, he said he and Lindsey were doing all the work together on the Dance, and how much he learned from Lindsey during that time.

that said, in 2012 Lindsey released what was practically a straight-out soundboard recording of one of his live OMS shows, about a month after it was recorded, while he was in the middle of the ongoing tour. so i suspect he may have evolved into maybe a more hands-off, raw, with less overdubbing approach since the Dance.

love ya elle, and might agree re: LB solo, but I still remain skeptical the band as the band would really go this route.:distress: (I didn't see evidence of that on DR) Maybe it's just Stevie, I dunno. I just have lost a lot of hope they'll do anything but same old same old. :sorry:

is Elliott his new Richard?? lol

yeah i really don't expect them to put out a DVD of this tour; Richard seems to be convinced they will but i see little evidence of that intention. but who knows, maybe they surprise us. and he does talk to Lindsey, so maybe it's not just pure speculation on RD's part.

and agree with you that solo tour is different; i think in one of the interviews when that live OMS came out LB said he originally considered making available recording after each show like some bands do, but ended up doing this instead.