Oh, it never ends...

[SaraRhiannon]

From Jonathan Todd's latest fan club email:

"#2. FLEETWOOD MAC FACT CONTEST: Within two weeks we expect to post a game
of MAC FACTS on the Club Site. This game will have prizes for the first
400 members who get all the answers right! You can keep playing the game
until you win and if you’re in the group of the first 400 members to get
all questions right – you’ll receive a prize. We have some cool stuff for
these prizes. We found a collection featuring hand crafted Egyptian items
ranging from sterling silver earrings to ceramic necklaces to scarab beads
and bracelets. These items are made in Egypt and a portion of the proceeds
is donated to charities whose mission is to preserve the monuments of the
Ancient Land and to aid needy children in Egypt. If you’re a winner, we’ll
send you a prize from this collection. We’ll cover the shipping and
handling for all our winners too! Once we have our winners, we’ll move the
quiz over to the main Fleetwood Mac site for everyone to play – but without
the prizes! Stay tuned for more details. We’ll email you an announcement
when we begin the contest."



I am speechless. I'm sorry, but is this a Fleetwood Mac fan club or the QVC channel?

[wondergirl9847]

Egyptian!?!? WTH is THAT about!!?!?!?

Okay, this is just NUTTY. :confused:

JT is trying to make FM look good by doing this charity BS. WHAT A SCAB!!!!! :mad:

[Janet]

I'm really really really fed up with this fan club. It totally sucks. NOT WORTH THE MONEY AT ALL.

What a waste. Im so disappointed it makes me ill.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by SaraRhiannon
From Jonathan Todd's latest fan club email:

"#2. FLEETWOOD MAC FACT CONTEST: Within two weeks we expect to post a game
of MAC FACTS on the Club Site. This game will have prizes for the first
400 members who get all the answers right! You can keep playing the game
until you win and if you’re in the group of the first 400 members to get
all questions right – you’ll receive a prize. We have some cool stuff for
these prizes. We found a collection featuring hand crafted Egyptian items
ranging from sterling silver earrings to ceramic necklaces to scarab beads
and bracelets. These items are made in Egypt and a portion of the proceeds
is donated to charities whose mission is to preserve the monuments of the
Ancient Land and to aid needy children in Egypt. If you’re a winner, we’ll
send you a prize from this collection. We’ll cover the shipping and
handling for all our winners too! Once we have our winners, we’ll move the
quiz over to the main Fleetwood Mac site for everyone to play – but without
the prizes! Stay tuned for more details. We’ll email you an announcement
when we begin the contest."



I am speechless. I'm sorry, but is this a Fleetwood Mac fan club or the QVC channel?

Yea, a better contest would be, who can make like a Mexican and beat the **** out of Jonathan Todd with a baseball bat piñata style. The first fan club member to crack the guy gets a nifty spleen and charcoal heart AND good tickets to the show! Now <i>THAT'S</I> a real game. :laugh:

[sparky]

Wasn't the MF site offering some strange drawings awhile back ? I think they were Erte but my memory fails me. It also seems to me that there were some other arcane items he was hawking. Random. My money says these "prizes" are some lame ass keychains and 99 cent store reject earrings.

[darklinensuit]

What the HELL am I going to do with Egyptian friggin' earrings? I'm not into dressing like Stevie at the concerts or elsewhere
I'm all for charity, but wouldn't AHI or a leukemia foundation have been more in keeping with the "interests" of this band?
Why do I get the feeling Mick has bought stock in sterling silver. Hmmmm....

And BTW, I get an e-mail from the fan club about once a week. I didn't get this one. And when they do arrive, I get the same email twice. And you know what? I don't care. I've never gotten a helpful email from this club. Each time I see an email it just slaps me in the face as a reminder that I've been ripped off.
(Club Motto: Gift of Getting Screwed)

If I meet this Todd guy, I'll tell him just where he can pierce to hang this crap out of.

- Jake

[Cour]

speechless! This man should be put in an assylum, please!!!


Is this one of the perks that the few believers have been holding onto?


Uh...I'm sure the guys are gonna be lovin the earrings and necklaces.


I think this is more along the lines of Sears or Pathetic Fanclubs Anonymous.


He has so much clout with WB and his fancy lunches with Mick that he could only get 2 cds and 2 posters out of them. I bet this jewlery must have set him back a good $50 at the local flea market.


Everytime you think this couldn't get any more pathetic and reach any new lows, it manages to reach deeper. Gee, there's how many more months of this tour left.

PLEASE... Stevie John or Lindsey, save the fans from this torture! I would say this gives being a fan a whole new meaning.


Can't wait to see what he's got in store for the people who were unhappy with the first presale. He did say he was going to make it up to us. Maybe we're getting personally monogramed Hefty bags or Fleetwood Mac Flip Flops.

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by Cour
Maybe we're getting personally monogramed Hefty bags or Fleetwood Mac Flip Flops.

LMAO!!! Yeah, I mean seriously, a poster of the band, an autographed SYW CD, a tee shirt, one of those Stevie necklaces with the S and dragon motif on it...SOMETHING to do with FM would be good dumb-@ss!!!! This guy must not even be HUMAN...he's too STUPID for that title!!

[Cour]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Yea, a better contest would be, who can make like a Mexican and beat the **** out of Jonathan Todd with a baseball bat piñata style. The first fan club member to crack the guy gets a nifty spleen and charcoal heart AND good tickets to the show! Now <i>THAT'S</I> a real game. :laugh:

LMAO!


Okay...I've changed my mind. I don't want him fired. I want a drawing and the winner gets to string him up at the last contest and have a go at him.

[darklinensuit]

Hey, maybe we're being unfair.
This new FM/QVC marriage is fetching.
I, for one, would love to have the chance to get my hands on my very own Chia-Stevie. I understand it makes a great gift for the holidays. Do you think they could manufacture 400 of them for me to win (each with a different Chia-Stevie hairstyle)? That would be so worth my fan club investment.
And while they're at it, maybe they could offer a Clapper that allows me to turn the power off on Mick's vest during each concert.
Then there's the Thigh-with-wooden-balls-Master.
Am I leaving out any other tasteful goods? Remember, this is for charity.

- Jake

[SaraRhiannon]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
And while they're at it, maybe they could offer a Clapper that allows me to turn the power off on Mick's vest during each concert.




BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Cour]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Hey, maybe we're being unfair.
This new FM/QVC marriage is fetching.
I, for one, would love to have the chance to get my hands on my very own Chia-Stevie. I understand it makes a great gift for the holidays. Do you think they could manufacture 400 of them for me to win (each with a different Chia-Stevie hairstyle)? That would be so worth my fan club investment.
And while they're at it, maybe they could offer a Clapper that allows me to turn the power off on Mick's vest during each concert.
Then there's the Thigh-with-wooden-balls-Master.
Am I leaving out any other tasteful goods? Remember, this is for charity.

- Jake




If ONLY a clapper would shut that spitting drum machine off! I say it's going to take a dozen hits with some rotten fruit.

I think "someone" (cough adminstrator cough), would be REAL interested in that Thigh-with-wooden-ball-Master. She'd be trading in her rehearsal tickets in a flash for a shot at Mick between her thighs. That's for making all of us read those disgusting remarks and fantasies for the last 6 months!

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Hey, maybe we're being unfair.
This new FM/QVC marriage is fetching.
I, for one, would love to have the chance to get my hands on my very own Chia-Stevie. I understand it makes a great gift for the holidays. Do you think they could manufacture 400 of them for me to win (each with a different Chia-Stevie hairstyle)? That would be so worth my fan club investment.
And while they're at it, maybe they could offer a Clapper that allows me to turn the power off on Mick's vest during each concert.
Then there's the Thigh-with-wooden-balls-Master.
Am I leaving out any other tasteful goods? Remember, this is for charity.

- Jake

Well, I for one believe it isn't a party without PEZ. Get your collectible Fleetwood Mac PEZ people right here! (alcohol flavored PEZ) Only $99.99 with your membership to the SHAMclub. Oh, wait! Stevie Nicks bobbleheads!!! She'll rock out to the beat of "Gypsy." OR, we could have the Fleetwood Mac whoopie cushion. Instead of making a fart noise, it'll have Lindsey talking about Cycles for 38.6 seconds. Or we could have the stranger danger whistle. When you blow into it, it plays Silver Girl, thus making your attacker either wheep with dispair and run the other way OR fall to the ground covering his ears. Safety first people, safety first.

[Tango]

for OLD time sake, please Sara, put up the "LOL" pic. I need some cheering up. ;)

MICK's management hand picked this guy, Todd, right?

To those that are going to tomorrow's concert, have a WONDERFUL time.

[Miranda]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You people are killing me!

[SaraRhiannon]

Originally posted by Tango
for OLD time sake, please Sara, put up the "LOL" pic. I need some cheering up. ;)


I can't believe I missed the opportunity!! In response to the wonderful new merchandise items you all have come up with (the thigh-with-balls-master in particular):


http://www.sararhiannon.com/lol.jpg

[Tango]

Thanks for the memories. Most days your pics were the only thing that made ANY sense in our misery and pain. And to THINK they dared to take your stars away. :laugh:

You're the best.

[Cour]

I've missed Janet and Judy, please post them!

Which one was the De-starred picture--- Janet?


If I'm forgetting any of the others, by all means, post them too! :)

[SaraRhiannon]

Sadly, I think this one applies to all of us. I don't think I will ever fully recover from being slapped down and losing my stars. :distress: :eek:


http://www.sararhiannon.com/destarred.jpg

[mchakram]

I also find it interesting that Mr. Todd decided to describe the glorious scene of MICK's amazing drumming opening the show...geez, I wonder if the rest of the band has even met the guy. I sure hope not.
Peace,
Matt

[SaraRhiannon]

Tiff made this one. Bears a striking resemblance to everyone's favorite Ball-Obsessed Admin:

http://www.sararhiannon.com/superfan.jpg

[Cour]

Thank you Sara:)


Was there a picture of Judy Garland too? If there was can you post that one too!


Yeah, maybe the picture of the inside of the toilet on the private plane will make you forget the horror, humiliation and honor of being de-starred by Jonathan Todd.

[glitter_fades]

I haven't had a good laugh since you posted these at that OTHER place. Thanks! I needed that! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I thought this was hilarious!!
For example, we just
received a shot of the interior of the private jet that the band used to
fly to the Today Show.
LMFAO!! Oh dear god... I am distraught that I haven't joined!

Hey I bet people are beside themselves with excitement over on Mick's board thanking Knight for the wonders coming their way....

[DownOnRodeo]

Oh man - this is too much! I'm sitting here LMAO! But I feel so sorry for the poor Schmo-Club Members!
"The proceeds will go to Save Africa" (paraphrased obviously). PLEASE don't tell me that means the FanClub Members have to pay each time they enter the comp for the 400 pieces of junk that Todd has comissioned from his Cairo sweat-shop.
I can't believe he is doing this in Fleetwood Mac's name. Mick's name, fine - because Mick is fully responsible for what this creep does on his site ... but that he's taken over this whole FLeetwood Mac enterprise? It's not far from nauseating.

[Hawkeye]

Raise money for sick kids: NAH

Help fight Heart Disease: NAH

Maybe try to help cure cancer:confused: : NAH

Save the precious Egyption Pyramids: We have a WINNER


If i was a pyramid I'm give Mr. Toad a good Knight hug.

[strandinthewind]

"These items are made in Egypt and a portion of the proceeds
is donated to charities whose mission is to preserve the monuments of the . . . . "


Whenever someone honest, much less someone who already appears to be somewhat shady, says "a portion of the proceeds
is donated to charities" I cringe; I have seen to many organizations thorw a party using this line and give $.10 out of each dollar after costs.

Moreover, when they do not specifically name the charity is further heightens my suspicions. They could easily form their own charity, pay themselves a salary, and then donate the pitiful rest (after expenses which go to themselves) to some legit charity in Egypt.

I think this creep owes us a full accounting ( :laugh: ).

[nae]

Originally posted by SaraRhiannon
From Jonathan Todd's latest fan club email:

"#2. FLEETWOOD MAC FACT CONTEST: Within two weeks we expect to post a game
of MAC FACTS on the Club Site. This game will have prizes for the first
400 members who get all the answers right! You can keep playing the game
until you win and if you’re in the group of the first 400 members to get
all questions right – you’ll receive a prize. We have some cool stuff for
these prizes. We found a collection featuring hand crafted Egyptian items
ranging from sterling silver earrings to ceramic necklaces to scarab beads
and bracelets. These items are made in Egypt and a portion of the proceeds
is donated to charities whose mission is to preserve the monuments of the
Ancient Land and to aid needy children in Egypt. If you’re a winner, we’ll
send you a prize from this collection. We’ll cover the shipping and
handling for all our winners too! Once we have our winners, we’ll move the
quiz over to the main Fleetwood Mac site for everyone to play – but without
the prizes! Stay tuned for more details. We’ll email you an announcement
when we begin the contest."



I am speechless. I'm sorry, but is this a Fleetwood Mac fan club or the QVC channel?


Too strange! I don't know what else to say.

:confused: Nae

[Cour]

"Within two weeks we expect to post a game of MAC FACTS on the Club Site."


Now why do you suppose it's going to take 2 weeks to post the game of facts? I suspect that Mr Todd does NOT know enough MAC FACTS to start this game so he's going to have to comb the Penguin site looking for those MAC FACTS.


Jonathan, you do know that the Penguin site is copyrighted so you wouldn't be planning on stealing the MAC FACTS from the Penguin site, the same way you stole the discography from the Penguin?




I've been LOL about his 400 pcs of jewlery. We can ONLY imagine the high quality of these items if "Jonathan Todd" is GIVING away !!!400!!! pieces! You can make your own calculation about what portion of the proceeds is going to make it's way to any charity. I'm sure we'll all be interested in seeing that receipt posted for everyone to see.

[tamaraluvsFM]

Sounds like to me they are getting desperate. More money needed!! I unfortunatly joined this "fan club" to get better seats for the concert which, like most of us, we got better seats with the general sale. I used to receive almost 4-5 emails a day from the fan club and now rarely get one. I think its cause I deleted all the other ones as I did not need to read the nonsense they sent.
This new "idea" sounds like a ploy to get more and I hate to say this..suckers..to join.
I did read one post where someone got their money back..is that true?

Tamara:wavey:

[CarneVaca]

What's so objectionable about helping needy Egyptian children?

[nae]

I wonder if the Knight is the needy Egyptian child?

Nae

[strandinthewind]

a "portion" of him is :laugh: :laugh: :eek: :cool: :mad: :wavey:

[nae]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
a "portion" of him is :laugh: :laugh: :eek: :cool: :mad: :wavey:


:eek: Poor Knight. LMAO!!!

N.

[seeknpeace]

This whole thread is wonderful and a great respite from all the upset that we all are feeling...thanks again Sara.

What's so objectionable about helping needy Egyptian children?

Uh,. Carne, whats so objectionable about helping needy AMERICAN children?

hows about we get FAN related things, huh? We joined a fan club, not feed the world, or save the pyramids....I have said it before and I will say it again I pick my charities....not Mick Fleetwood. That does not wash with me. I think an accounting is due too. But, remember, HE paid for them, not us...soooooooooooooooooo....

"Hello? Is this QVC? I would like 400 number 123 in size L...."

[seeknpeace]

Also, Carne, as this is an open board and not everyone wants to discuss if Stevie and Lindsey are still sneaking around, I would suggest to you that you avoid the topics that bother you and also remind you that the words that are most damning to Mr. Todd are his own. That is what is posted here in large part.

So, move on, and there never was a strike. A movement to right a wrong only, and we didn't strike, we were mistreated, kicked off, demeaned and defamed over THERE. We owe them nothing at all. None of this would ever have happened if Mr. Todd had been forthcoming way back when when we were all asking legitimate questions.

I know that you have posted that you like to stir trouble in the past, stir somewhere else please.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by seeknpeace
Also, Carne, as this is an open board and not everyone wants to discuss if Stevie and Lindsey are still sneaking around, I would suggest to you that you avoid the topics that bother you and also remind you that the words that are most damning to Mr. Todd are his own. That is what is posted here in large part.

Huh?

on, and there never was a strike. A movement to right a wrong only, and we didn't strike, we were mistreated, kicked off, demeaned and defamed over THERE.

Again, huh? What the hell are you talking about? Here's what I posted:

"What's so objectionable about helping needy Egyptian children?"

I know that you have posted that you like to stir trouble in the past, stir somewhere else please.

If you are going to address my question, that's one thing. But if you are going to dredge up whatever you've accumulated in your bag of perceived bulletin board offenses committed by CarneVaca, you might be just stepping into the precarious area of engaging in personal feuds, which I would remind you is against Ledge rules. I have nothing against you, nor do I remember your previous posts. It seems you have paid far more attention to mine than I have to yours and you are trying as a result to use whatever I may have said in the past to engage in personal feuds. You might want to reconsider your tack.

And by the way, you don't tell me where I can stir or not stir. Let's get that straight.

[jeffs]

What's so objectionable about helping needy Egyptian children?

You got to be out of your mind. I am looking across the Hudson River from my office at ground zero and that whole mess was led by an Egyptian dare devil trying to fly a 767 along with a bunch of other Egyptians. How about helping our own children or better yet refunding the fan club members

[seeknpeace]

And by the way, you don't tell me where I can stir or not stir. Let's get that straight.

Well, that is an absolute truth...for that I apologize. Stir away...this is not a personal affront. Sorry if it came off that way.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by jeffs
What's so objectionable about helping needy Egyptian children?

You got to be out of your mind. I am looking across the Hudson River from my office at ground zero and that whole mess was led by an Egyptian dare devil trying to fly a 767 along with a bunch of other Egyptians. How about helping our own children or better yet refunding the fan club members

Well, I am in Manhattan within walking distance and I still don't see what's wrong with helping Egyptian children.

By that rationale, we shouldn't help Southern children because a few Southerners made a sport of lynching black people? And I'm out of my mind!?

[Rainman]

Originally posted by seeknpeace
Also, Carne, as this is an open board and not everyone wants to discuss if Stevie and Lindsey are still sneaking around, I would suggest to you that you avoid the topics that bother you and also remind you that the words that are most damning to Mr. Todd are his own. That is what is posted here in large part.

So, move on, and there never was a strike. A movement to right a wrong only, and we didn't strike, we were mistreated, kicked off, demeaned and defamed over THERE. We owe them nothing at all. None of this would ever have happened if Mr. Todd had been forthcoming way back when when we were all asking legitimate questions.

I know that you have posted that you like to stir trouble in the past, stir somewhere else please.


WTF?

Carne asked a legitimate question directly related to this thread. Your attack was way out of line, not to mention disjointed and pretty much a garbled mess of nonsense.

On a lighter note, I'm stil LMAO about "Thigh-with-wooden-balls-Master" :laugh:

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by seeknpeace
Well, that is an absolute truth...for that I apologize. Stir away...this is not a personal affront. Sorry if it came off that way.

No harm done.

[seeknpeace]

No harm done. :wavey:

[jeffs]

Well, I am in Manhattan within walking distance and I still don't see what's wrong with helping Egyptian children.

OK - 130 years from now all will be forgiven and we can help the Egyptians. I work and commute with American Egyptians who are some of the nicest, smartest people I know. It just seems like a strange time in the world to be worrying about 'that' part of the world. We are spending enough of our resources on Homeland Security because of that part of the world.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by jeffs
[B]OK - 130 years from now all will be forgiven and we can help the Egyptians. I work and commute with American Egyptians who are some of the nicest, smartest people I know. It just seems like a strange time in the world to be worrying about 'that' part of the world. We are spending enough of our resources on Homeland Security because of that part of the world.

It seems strange to hold anything against innocent children, especially terrorist acts. I'm still looking for the logic in that one.

[nae]

Does anyone around here really believe J.T. is into helping needy
children? HA!

Nae

[glitter_fades]

Originally posted by nae
Does anyone around here really believe J.T. is into helping needy
children? HA!

Nae

BWWAAAAAHAAHAAAHAHA! :laugh: :laugh:

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Yea, a better contest would be, who can make like a Mexican and beat the **** out of Jonathan Todd with a baseball bat piñata style. The first fan club member to crack the guy gets a nifty spleen and charcoal heart AND good tickets to the show! Now <i>THAT'S</I> a real game. :laugh:

I volunteer...I live to SCARE the crap outta people anyways!!!

Besides, I've mastered the art of being a bastard years ago...So I have nothin' to lose, Brian "Batter up...PLAY BALL!!!" J.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by nae
Does anyone around here really believe J.T. is into helping needy
children? HA!

Nae
LMAO! ALl JT is interested in making money and trying to wriggle out of the mess he had made... seems he still has a lot to learn as he clearly has no clue.

Pip

[strandinthewind]

Again, I am all for donating to charity, esp. a charity that benefits children.

I just think that when Mr. Todd, or anyone for that matter, asserts that a "portion" of proceeds goes to an unnamed charity that he touts as benefiting children, he should be able to back that vague statement up with names, percentages, and facts before I will give him one cent. I have seen too many people take my money I gave for an allegedly charitible cause and use it on themselves and give a rather small portion (maybe 5%) to a charity. So, while I am not saying Mr. Todd is fraudulently doing anything, I am saying that if Mr. Todd is really interested in getting my money, he has to show me exactly how much is going to what specific charity. Until that happens, I politely say no thank you. :cool:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I just think that when Mr. Todd, or anyone for that matter, asserts that a "portion" of proceeds goes to an unnamed charity that he touts as benefiting children, he should be able to back that vague statement up with names, percentages, and facts before I will give him one cent. I

As Todd himself said to my friend in an email only the other week:

Someone still needs to verify this is representative and legit.

Pip

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Also I am confused as to where the 'proceeds' are coming from. Do people have to pay to enter the comp?

Pip

[dissention]

Nothing is wrong with helping Egyptian children, but people paid for a fan club, not a charity. People want something that has to do with FM, not a charity. That's all, Carne. :)

LMAO, Sara! I still remember the "Rotten Apple" underneath your avatar over on Mick's board. Too funny! And remember when he flamed you on the complaint thread?? What an ass.

I do kinda take pride, though; I was the first to have my posts deleted all the time! :laugh: :laugh: My first deleted post was in the M&G thread because I called the idea asinine, Trinity a lemming, and the Knight a bad businessman. And then Tiff posted the lyrics to "When Money Wasn't King" from Tom Petty. LMAO :laugh:

[beach~gypsy]

Weeelllll, My first thought when I read this was that the Egyptian sh*t must be some of that junk from Jackie's "gold dust woman treasures" ebay "company" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[seeknpeace]

OK - 130 years from now all will be forgiven and we can help the Egyptians. I work and commute with American Egyptians who are some of the nicest, smartest people I know. It just seems like a strange time in the world to be worrying about 'that' part of the world. We are spending enough of our resources on Homeland Security because of that part of the world.

For me the bottom line is if we are gonna help children, lets start here in America, and if we want to give to a charity, lets each one do it on our own time and not join a fan club to do it.

I think that he would be more interested in providing articles and items that pertain to the band to us, not bobbles that mean nothing to us and then proclaiming that they are doing something for charity. Makes no sense to me.

And, sorry if the other person found my answer garbled... I did not intend to attack and you attacking me does not right what you thought was an attack. (how is that garble? even I have to read that one twice!!) :eek: I am really bad to think and type and sometimes, it just goes awry. Bear with please.

I just would really like to see the fans pull together as much as possible on all this. We are not gonna all agree, that is human nature, but, as to what happened to the fans and to the promises and some things that you all do not know yet, we need to be together. There are a lot more things that you will find out.

Our best interests have never been at anyones heart in this whole thing, imo. I was robbed imo, I do not consider video of the inside of an abandoned airplane cabin, Mick touring an empty house or driving an old car in circles, content worthy of my money. Never mind the fact that I cannot get a decent seat at a concert while hundreds go on sale on eBay the day of our private presales. HUNDREDS. I think like 900 were on there the day of the first presale. Does not anyone wonder about that?

So, I am gonna try to stick to the issues and what I feel that I want and need to say. I do not like Jonathan Todd, who he is, what he stands for, nor how he does business. But, that is not what this is about. This is about FANS being treated poorly and taken to the cleaners because we are good fans and love FMac. We trusted something that was in the name of Mick Fleetwood and Fleetwood Mac.

I do not have any animosity toward the ppl who are here and who are fans. Only those who have chosen to align themselves with someone who has treated their fellow fans so shabbily. And mostly, I feel sorry for them.

You can say about us, "they deserved it, they started stinks over there, they kept upset going all the time, etc.", but, try to remember, that is NOT how that all started.

Questions were asked and concerns were voiced about things like them using our screen names as our passwords, why weren't we offered the LTD Edition cds, when would they upgrade us to them, why couldn't we find out about upcoming appearances from the fan club, and on and on...and he Never answered us. He disregarded us because I think that he thought that we would go away or be cowed by his censorship to shut the questions up and then it got nastier and nastier and nastier.

Yes, it fell all to hell...all to smithereens. BUT, it could have been avoided totally. And the one to have kept it from happening was Jonathan Todd, just by answering the questions, expressing concerns over our concerns and not telling others to "slap some sense" into the questioners, who were then complainers. He pitted fan against fan. Perhaps he found ppl who were not sure of themselves and felt proud and honored to be one of his ppl, I cannot say, but, I can say that this whole thing is a sorry state of affairs that only one person could have prevented.

:eek: :eek:

[glitter_fades]

My thoughts, exactly. :nod: Thank you.

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by GardenStateGirlie
Well, I for one believe it isn't a party without PEZ. Get your collectible Fleetwood Mac PEZ people right here! (alcohol flavored PEZ) Only $99.99 with your membership to the SHAMclub. Oh, wait! Stevie Nicks bobbleheads!!! She'll rock out to the beat of "Gypsy." OR, we could have the Fleetwood Mac whoopie cushion. Instead of making a fart noise, it'll have Lindsey talking about Cycles for 38.6 seconds. Or we could have the stranger danger whistle. When you blow into it, it plays Silver Girl, thus making your attacker either wheep with dispair and run the other way OR fall to the ground covering his ears. Safety first people, safety first.

LMAO!
I was just thinking I hope nobody makes a Stevie bobblehead!
Maybe the club can add Chris & John Precious Moments figurines for that touch of class in any FM fan's home.
And Lindsey troll dolls.
And the "Gold and Braid" Flow-bie to cut our own hair.
We should do the marketing! Mr. Todd, are you paying attention?

- Jake

[GypsyAngel]

Originally posted by Cour
I bet this jewlery must have set him back a good $50 at the local flea market.

Yeah, there's a kiosk in the mall near the food court selling that stuff. I'll watch out for him. ;)

[Mad4stevie]

Todd is a regular frickin' Robin Hood - stealin' from the poor . . . to give to . . . the poor.

[Cour]

If you're a member of the fanclub there is a new drawing of some kind where you have to send an email and provide your name, address, password and PHONE NUMBER!


I think everyone should think TWICE before giving the fanclub their phone number. Considering the past actions of the fanclub and the way they have run their business, do you really want them to have your telephone number? Do you know what they will do with it and who they might give this to or possibly sell this to at some point. If you read the lastest changes to the disclaimer on the club site, it's been changed numerous times and it asks you to agree to any changes that will/might be made in the future. This was not the disclaimer or agreement most of us were shown when we joined and is an indication of why you should remember their past actions when it comes to changing promises, guarantees or any other things you were told. Even though they might never do anything with your phone number, is this a company who you'd want to take that chance with?

Many of us have unlisted numbers and I don't see a problem telling them


"my phone number is unlisted, please contact me by email or snail mail if I win your contest."


Since all contests have very strict rules that the fanclub would have to follow, they could NOT take you out of the running for the drawing based on your having an unlisted number.