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Wayne2
05-03-2003, 09:36 AM
Anyone know what Stevie's contribution (lyrical) to this song was?

MacFan03
05-03-2003, 10:58 AM
And does anyone know if Lindsey is present vocally on this track? I can't hear him but I do hear Christine.

DownOnRodeo
05-03-2003, 11:06 AM
The extent of Stevie's lyrical contribution was two-fold... She morphed "end of the line" to "Emilline", and sings some nysterious phrase in the break between chorus and verse. Is it 'never'? Is it 'Sara'? Is it 'Tara'? Is it 'Pharoah'? Ask me and I'll tell you it changes each time she sings it in the song!

MacFan03 - Lindsey b/g vocals are heavily present hear - that classic Lindsey/Christine mix that works so well. You may not recognize his voice becuase it is hihg and similar to Christine's. But listen closely and you should hear it in the mix.

Wayne2
05-03-2003, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
The extent of Stevie's lyrical contribution was two-fold... She morphed "end of the line" to "Emilline", and sings some nysterious phrase in the break between chorus and verse. Is it 'never'? Is it 'Sara'? Is it 'Tara'? Is it 'Pharoah'? Ask me and I'll tell you it changes each time she sings it in the song!



Thanks.

Now can you tell me who the hell Sandy Stewart is?

squealy
05-03-2003, 01:35 PM
Surely Stevie didn't take a songwriting credit for changing one word?

darklinensuit
05-03-2003, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Wayne2
Thanks.

Now can you tell me who the hell Sandy Stewart is?

SS is a Texan who also co-wrote If Anyone Falls, Maybe Love will Change you Mind, and Too Far from TX. If I remember, Stevie announced she was in the audience at the Houston TISL show, but I think she lives in Dallas. Stevie is on her Catdancer album, which I've never heard. (I've read the lyrics to Sandy's solo stuff & they don't impress me.)

- Jake

Johnny Stew
05-03-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by squealy
Surely Stevie didn't take a songwriting credit for changing one word? I believe Stevie's "alternate lyrics" were peppered throughout the song, beyond the "end of the line/ Emmiline" bit.

Apparently when Sandy gave Stevie the demo, she hadn't given her a lyric-sheet, so Stevie sang the lyrics as best she could, putting her own spin on the parts that weren't very clear in the demo.

I'm assuming it must have been a fairly profound difference, to warrant that "additional lyrics by Stevie Nicks" credit... especially when you consider how different Stevie's version of "I Still Miss Someone (Blue Eyes)" is from the original Johnny Cash version.
Stevie knew the song as she was growing up, and sang it the way she remembered it... but at certain moments in the song, her remembered lyrics are quite different from the original lyrics.

Despite that, Johnny Cash, and his brother, Roy, remain the only songwriters credited for "I Still Miss Someone," in the 'Mirror' liner notes.

dissention
05-04-2003, 11:56 AM
I remember reading on SaraRhiannon that she quickly copied down the lyrics onto paper and then sang them. She said she only changed the "Emmeline" part. Originally it was "Held the line" but Stevie...sang "Emmeline." I want to know what "Emmeline" is. :laugh:

BlueGrass
05-04-2003, 01:12 PM
This is the only song I like of hers on TITN; and I don't even play it that much. It can sound dated and I don't like her voice.

They should give it a shot during the tour, I think it would sound great.

Johnny Stew
05-04-2003, 02:50 PM
This is a quote I have in my folders, about "Seven Wonders."
There's a longer version of this quote out there, but this is the integral part:We thought we had written down exactly as I sing them, the exact words to "Seven Wonders."
I sang the words that I had written down, and Sandy didn't unfortunately get me the real words before that.
Then, I saw the real words and I tried to sing the real words, which are in fact very different... I couldn't do a vocal again like that very first time I walked up to the microphone and sang "Seven Wonders."

Johnny Stew
05-04-2003, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by dissention
I want to know what "Emmeline" is.When I first heard "Seven Wonders" (when I was about 15), I scoured a World Atlas, trying to find Emmeline.
Never did find it! :laugh: ;)

To me, the lyrics of the song always conjured the image of some wonderful, lush city in Ancient Rome.
Someplace one could imagine the gods having played.

So, for me, that's what "Emmeline" will always be.

dissention
05-04-2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Stew
When I first heard "Seven Wonders" (when I was about 15), I scoured a World Atlas, trying to find Emmeline.
Never did find it! :laugh: ;)


At least now I know I'm not the only one...:laugh:

gldstwmn
05-04-2003, 03:51 PM
I think Emmeline in Stevie's mind goes back to the whole Gone With The Wind thing. She does sing about Tara in Welcome To The Room Sara. It just sounds like something out of that era. Also, how ironic for her to use the name Sara Anderson to check herself into drug rehab.

ricohv
05-04-2003, 04:03 PM
Emmeline was the name of a town in a book I read years ago-the book was very romantic/dreamy/Stevie Nicks-ish and I have always assumed this is where Stevie got the name. I beleive the book was by Taylor Caldwell, an author(ess) who claimed to channel spirits from the past to write historically accurate fictional novels (this also made me think that would be something that Stevie would have been interested in). The books by her I read were Captains & the Kings, Ceremony of the Innocent, and another title I can't remember. I don't recall which one mentioned "Emmeline" but I have never seen that name before or since.
Ricoh

darklinensuit
05-04-2003, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by ricohv
Emmeline was the name of a town in a book I read years ago-the book was very romantic/dreamy/Stevie Nicks-ish and I have always assumed this is where Stevie got the name. I beleive the book was by Taylor Caldwell, an author(ess) who claimed to channel spirits from the past to write historically accurate fictional novels (this also made me think that would be something that Stevie would have been interested in). The books by her I read were Captains & the Kings, Ceremony of the Innocent, and another title I can't remember. I don't recall which one mentioned "Emmeline" but I have never seen that name before or since.
Ricoh

According to those awful books by Steven W____, Stevie read Triad by Caldwell & got the name Rhiannon, so apparently she is a fan.

- Jake

ricohv
05-04-2003, 04:35 PM
Well, as a kid in the 70's (deprived by a freak father that didn't think we needed a TV) I also read Triad (not written by Taylor Caldwell-I can't remember who wrote it but I know it was not Taylor,entirely different writing style) and I read this before I knew Stevie or the song Rhiannon. When I see what this little paperback goes for on Ebay I sure wish I knew what I did with my copy. Anyways, Triad was a shorter and much more entertaining read than anything by Taylor Caldwell...a supernatural tale of twin possesion or something of the sort. I too was fascinated by the main characters names, Rhiannon and Brahnwen (sp?) and thought if my two cats Pinky and Noodle ever died I would name the next batch of cats more sophisticated names like Rhiannon and Brahnwen. If only I had thought to write a song instead....hehe!
*Ricoh*

Janet
05-04-2003, 06:01 PM
Back to Sandy Stewart, Cat Dancer and I Pretend are good songs. I really love I Pretend alot and I love how Stevie sings her parts.

Decent stuff ( those two songs anyway)

I have a third song..her first ( only?)single that was on MTV back in the day( 1984-85?). They have her interviewing and she's talking about Stevie ( WHY their voices are similar=smoking) and her music and then they play the video...very boring. I can't remember the title of the song though.

GardenStateGirlie
05-04-2003, 07:21 PM
If you guys have ever seen the alternate video for Stand Back, it's basically a tribute to Gone With the Wind. Stevie must have been heavily influenced by that movie. She's dressed in Scarlett's green dress and rides a horse. There's an soldier who comes into her room in the video...a house on fire....basically, it's Tara. Welcome to the room Sara...for Scarlett....it all fits together! Check out the video if you can. I honestly like it better than the Stand Back that we all know...just because it's such an original concept.

DownOnRodeo
05-04-2003, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by ricohv
I too was fascinated by the main characters names, Rhiannon and Brahnwen (sp?) and thought if my two cats Pinky and Noodle ever died I would name the next batch of cats more sophisticated names like Rhiannon and Brahnwen.
Pinky and Noodle! Lmao! Just as well Stevie didn't read those names in a book and get inspired to write a song about them!

Pinky rides like a bell through the night
And wouldn't you love to love her ...
..All your life you've never seen
Noddle taken by the sky.

:distress:

ricohv
05-05-2003, 05:44 AM
OMG-Down on Rodeo-you're right. I never thought of it that way:
"Pinky rings like a bell thru the night..."
"Said Noodle, you're the poet in my heart..."
somehow that just doesn't work!