All 23 Songs?

[PenguinHead]

It has been documented that the double cd version of Say You Will would have had 23 songs...

I can speculate on all but 1 of the five that were cut

1. Love Minus Zero
2. Not Make Believe
3. I Am Waiting (as noted in Guitar Player Magazine)
4. Gift Of Screws (Guitar Player Mag)
5. ???

Anyone have any knowledge or ideas about the leftover songs?
I wonder if we'll see them on import singles. Sure hope so.

[BlueGrass]

Space Needle?

[PenguinHead]

Space Needle! Because you're wishing/hoping for it...or because is some feasible knowledge that they recorded it? (I hope the later is true!).

[estranged4life]

there could be any combination of songs that "could've" been on the album before it was reduced to a single disc. Here are a few others that were reportedly recorded:

The Singer Not The Song
Mistaken Love
All The Beautiful Worlds

[Johnny Stew]

I wonder if "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" and "Not Make Believe" were ever truly intended for inclusion on the double-album.

They may not have made it to the list of 23 songs Fleetwood Mac wanted to release.
Which could be why they were the only ones used on the bonus disc.

Of course, this all just speculation.

[CarneVaca]

"Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind" was going to be in the album, according to Guitar World Acoustic.

[BlueGrass]

Yes, "Love Minus Zero" must have intended to make the album since Lindsey recorded a studio version of it.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by BlueGrass
Yes, "Love Minus Zero" must have intended to make the album since Lindsey recorded a studio version of it. I'm sure they were both under consideration at some point, or neither of them would have been recorded... I'm just wondering if they had made the cut to be included among the 23 songs Fleetwood Mac wanted to release on the double-album.

If "Love Minus Zero" and "Not Make Believe" were among the infamous 23, as well as "Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind," "I Am Waiting," and "Gift Of Screws," the equal representation between Stevie and Lindsey would be off-balance (if we can believe Mick's earlier statement that the tracks on the double-album would be split evenly between the two).

Plus, it leaves a question as to the "nod to the Rolling Stones" that was also mentioned in interviews last year.
"The Singer Not The Song" is the one most fans speculate would have made the cut, but as chiliD has pointed out, the Rolling Stones also have a song called "I Am Waiting."

So if the "I Am Waiting" that was mentioned in Guitar Player magazine is indeed a cover of the Rolling Stones tune, along with "Love Minus Zero," that would give us two cover songs on the album (presuming that none of the other Rolling Stones songs that Lindsey had worked on were among The 23).

Which is why I tend to wonder if perhaps "Love Minus Zero" and "Not Make Believe" were "leftover" tracks, even beyond the five that weren't released on 'Say You Will.'

If someone, somewhere, knows for certain what those remaining 5 songs were, PLEASE let us know so we can stop pulling our hair out trying to figure this out! :laugh:

[BlueGrass]

Why not?

Stevie did hand a CD of 17 demos. I am sure Lindsey played around with most of the songs. In fact, I pretty sure they didn't recorded only 23 songs. I think overall that had about 35 songs to work with.

[Livia]

Didn't Stevie write another song out of her 9/11 journal entries called "We Get Back on the Plane," or something like that....I thought I'd read in a recent interview that she said she wrote a bunch of 9/11 songs (not sure how many were recorded, though), but that they didn't want to use more than one 9/11 song on this album.

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by BlueGrass
Yes, "Love Minus Zero" must have intended to make the album since Lindsey recorded a studio version of it.

Not true! Just because someone (in this case, Lindsey/Fleetwood Mac) records a song...it doesn't mean it will make the album.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by Livia
Didn't Stevie write another song out of her 9/11 journal entries called "We Get Back on the Plane," or something like that....I thought I'd read in a recent interview that she said she wrote a bunch of 9/11 songs (not sure how many were recorded, though), but that they didn't want to use more than one 9/11 song on this album. Hi Livia... yeah, Stevie said that, in addition to "Illume," she also wrote two other poems, "Get Back On The Plane," and "The Towers Touched The Sky," but they were "just too depressing."

I assume they were never even considered to be recorded, if Stevie felt they were too depressing as poems.

[PenguinHead]

I'm talking about/looking for the actual songs that were fully recorded and were part of the official track listing for thedouble cd release. Not demos, poems, speculated songs, outtakes etc...

[gypsysara]

Originally posted by PenguinHead
speculated songs

Like you'd find any speculation here?? Im shocked at the thought! :shocked: :shocked:

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Which is why I tend to wonder if perhaps "Love Minus Zero" and "Not Make Believe" were "leftover" tracks, even beyond the five that weren't released on 'Say You Will.'


My feelings exactly. Thanks for posting your reply. I was begining to think no one really understood what I was asking for!

[PenguinHead]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
Which is why I tend to wonder if perhaps "Love Minus Zero" and "Not Make Believe" were "leftover" tracks, even beyond the five that weren't released on 'Say You Will.'


My feelings exactly. Thanks for posting your reply. I was begining to think no one really understood what I was asking for!

[riff_Shuffler]

It's SpeculationNation around here (but that's cool)....

Here's mine:

I REALLY think that *Love Minus Zero/No Limit* was the "extra" song, not intended for the double album. Stevie's vocals were never added (I realize that there are other songs without Stevie on the album, BUT this song was originally performed LIVE, by Mick and Lindsey, at the AHI benefit -- the track was probably worked on by the guys and dropped before Stevie even showed up at the studio/house)....

SO, this would leave the following songs as the aformentioned (by Stevie, in a radio interview, officially) *5 songs cut from the album/double album!*:

1 - Not Make Believe - now on the LE version

2 - Gift of Screws - mentioned by Lindsey as being ready
3 - I Am Waiting - " "

and the rumoured Stevie songs:

4 - All The Beautiful Worlds &
5 - Mistaken Love

** Although, those last two COULD BE awful rumours - *whoever* originally leaked that these songs were worked on needs to STEP UP, pronto!!

- Josh C. :wavey:

[golddustwoman77]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
"Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind" was going to be in the album, according to Guitar World Acoustic.

I read that also, so I would say "Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind" too.


:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

I will never tire of squawking about the missed opportunity with the great "Space Needle" :cool: Therefore, I am certain ( :rolleyes: ) it was one of the songs left off. I say off with the head of whomever made this awful decision/ommission :laugh: :laugh:

[squealy]

From what I've heard of Lindsey's Gift of Screws tracks, "Twist of Fate" and "Shuffle Riff" clearly have Mick and John playing on them and sound just like FM songs, so presumably they were contenders.

[The Tower]

I REALLY wish they would have done "Mistaken Love" on Say You Will- in its original key, with a grand piano foundation.....

Obviously, after listening to Say You Will- there was no chance of that happening....