worst christine mac song?

[misterbug]

what is your least favorite christine-penned FM song from the rumours lineup albums?

mine is probably 'wish you were here'

[MissJanet]

Mystified, that one is sooooo awful.

[Alison]

I don't think there is any song of hers that I dislike. Some are better than others. But they are all pleasing to my ear.

[Ali]

Sorry, but Christine can do no wrong in my eyes.

[jmn3]

Sugar Daddy, or Only Over You.

[jeffles]

Sugar Daddy is good, even though its very , VERY similar sounding to Say You Love Me.
Mystified and Only Over You (about Dennis Wilson) were boring songs.

[jmn3]

The beginning to OOY is absolutely frightening. What were they thinking? :distress:

[wondergirl9847]

Sugar Daddy. YUCK!! I don't even know the words to it...I NEVER EVER listen to it...it's always skipped.

[darklinensuit]

Warm Ways makes me think I'm back in the orthodontist's chair, but it is pretty. I do like Sugar Daddy.
Christine's worst FM songs are on Time.

- Jake

[gypsysara]

Originally posted by darklinensuit
Warm Ways makes me think I'm back in the orthodontist's chair, but it is pretty.

You probably heard it IN the office, LOL! :laugh: :laugh:

[chiliD]

"Sugar Daddy"....but still it's better than 99% of the the "worst" of tje other Fleetwood Mac songwriters.

[David]

Originally posted by misterbug
what is your least favorite christine-penned FM song from the rumours lineup albums?

mine is probably 'wish you were here' I'm not crazy about that one, either. The songs I like least from Christine's Fleetwood Mac catalog are almost always due to bad production rather than a poorly written or performed song. For example, "Dissatisfied" is one I don't love but mostly because I think it's a badly produced track. On the other hand, some muddy production work -- like "Come a Little Bit Closer" -- doesn't destroy the cool song underneath.

I'm bored by Christine's solo album because of the production.

[macfan 57]

I like all of her songs, even Sugar Daddy. Christine is just about perfect.

[DownOnRodeo]

Wish You Were Here and Only Over You .... Yep, let's face it, she was doing an entire album of her songs at the time - Something had to give! :distress:

I don't like Never Make Me Cry - it's just a touch too standard. But the music is glorious.

[Cristian]

"Only Over You" and "Sugar Daddy". But those two are not as irritating and annoying as "Family Man". :D


Song of the moment - Miranda

[Sorcerer386]

A lot of Sugar Daddy mentions...I really didn't care for this song until I thought about how funny it is that Christine is singing about a sugar daddy. Since it's used a lot for slang these days, I figured it was a late 90's/00's thing, so it's funny 1. because it's 1975 and Chris is saying it, and 2. just because Chris is saying it. I don't know, there's just something funny about Christine talking about a sugar daddy.

Getting back to topic...Mystified.

[golddustwoman77]

My least favorite Christine song is definitely "Everywhere." There is just something about it that I don't like. I don't hate it; I just don't love it.

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[Wayne2]

Sugar Daddy

[Sarah]

Aww.. I love Sugar Daddy! It's so cute!

It's hard for me to find a Chris song I don't like.

Wish You Were Here
Mystified
Only Over You

that's all I can think of for now, although, I'm not a big fan of BTM and Time. They aren't horrible just.. eh.

I love Chris.

[HollywoodSteve]

I disagree. Anyone with a serious appreciation for Christine McVie will tell you that "I Do" and "Hollywood (Some Other Kind of Town)" are great Chrstine tracks.

[misterbug]

I'm bored by Christine's solo album because of the production.

yes, i find Christine's solo album a little boring. her singing is....ok (great voice, but sometimes she sounds a little like she's just going through the motions); the production is...ok; and the arrangements are...ok. how much better some of those songs would have been with lindsey's deft production touch and FM's excellent harmonies and playing. similarly, i've heard some bootlegs of her solo tour, and i get the same feeling (or non-feeling) when i listen to it.

[Cristian]

About the album... yes, the production is rather bland, and I think at some point Christine needs some sidework, too. I just don't think Todd Sharp was enough of a studio-mate or whatever you call that these days... I also don't like the idea of giving so much songs to other people if the original idea (correct me if I'm wrong) was to put out all of those "lost songs" that Christine couldn't release because Fleetwood Mac limited her production to four or five songs per album. Anyway, my favorite tune on that album is "Who's Dreaming This Dream", which was written by Todd Sharp, go figure...

I just think that neither the Christine Perfect album nor the Christine McVie album do justice to such a stunning composer, singer and composer as Christine is/was. It's just that her greatest work comes from Fleetwood Mac... and nearly all of her contributions (Time included, of course!) are outstanding. :)


Song of the moment - Miranda

[misterbug]

I just think that neither the Christine Perfect album nor the Christine McVie album do justice to such a stunning composer, singer

exactly.

[darklinensuit]

B]

Originally posted by HollywoodSteve I disagree. Anyone with a serious appreciation for Christine McVie will tell you that "I Do" and "Hollywood (Some Other Kind of Town)" are great Chrstine tracks. [/B] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HollywoodSteve








I disagree. I appreciate Chris. I like All Over Again on that album. I like the chorus on I Do.
Hollywood repeats endlessly and has boring harmonies (a matter of production as much as songwriting). Nights in Estoril sounds instrumentally dreary to me, and the lyrics are not as good as her others. To each his own.

- Jake

[macmar71]

Save Me is the only one I never liked.

[secondhandchain]

Love Mystified...those harmonies are gorgeous

Save me ...eh
Sugar Daddy...ok

I don't have much to fault Christine...she was such a solid songwriter...even the Mirage songs I like...

Sometimes though her lyrics are a litttle weak...but her sense of melody more then makes up for it!

[BombaySapphire3]

When it comes to love and Do you Know from BTM,She must have been dipping into Stevie's Klonopin.

[PollyThePenguin]

Chris is The Earth Mother Goddess. She can't do wrong. Seems to me some you need to get out more. You're only commenting on Chris's tunes in the Buck-Nicks time frame. Her best stuff is before the "Tanned and Gorgeous Duo" came on the scene. Very few clinkers from Chris. All the songs most people hate I love. :p

[darklinensuit]

Originally posted by BombaySapphire3
When it comes to love and Do you Know from BTM,She must have been dipping into Stevie's Klonopin.

I definitely agree about Do you Know, but I did like When it Comes to Love.

- Jake

[estranged4life]

"Don't Stop"...That was an easy choice for me...Brian J.

[The Tower]

"Brown Eyes"..... yuck

overrated to the max...............

[markolas]

"Don't Stop"
"Sugar Daddy"
"Temporary One"

[markolas]

Oh, and I forgot "Love in Store."

[ERigby818]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
Wish You Were Here and Only Over You .... Yep, let's face it, she was doing an entire album of her songs at the time - Something had to give! :distress:

I don't like Never Make Me Cry - it's just a touch too standard. But the music is glorious.

My thoughts exactly. You read my mind.
I also don't really like anything of hers on BTM or Time, though I don't actually own those so they've never had a chance to really grow on me. I guess I don't appreciate her as much without Lindsey.
-Sonia

[seteca]

Sugar Daddy. The only time I ever listened to it straight through was on the day I bought the White Album. I just couldn't do it ever again!

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[PollyThePenguin]

Originally posted by seteca
Sugar Daddy. The only time I ever listened to it straight through was on the day I bought the White Album. I just couldn't do it ever again!

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

Too bad. John does some great bass in it. It's a neat little song.

[barb]

Another vote for "Sugar Daddy". Can't stand "Don't Stop" anymore cuz everytime I hear it, I think of Clinton. There aren't too many of her songs that I don't like.

barb :p

[FuzzyPlum]

what is your least favorite christine-penned FM song from the rumours lineup albums?

mine is probably 'wish you were here'


I was just searching for a thread about Wish You Were Here and stumbled across this one.
I love Wish You Were Here and I find it so sad that it gets such a bad press- I was livid when the reviewer gave it a low rating in the recent Uncut music guide. For some people it may be a tad simplistic, fluffy and soppy. For me its an epic slow burner that builds to a crescendo and must rank as one of Fleetwood Mac's most romantic songs (she has a couple on Tusk that run it close). The last minute or so of instrumentation is powerful enough on its own.

So I open this thread and lo and behold I read the opening post. What's wrong with the World? It's a fantastic, beautiful song. Let some love into your hearts people.

To my other half: I love you so much dear.

[FuzzyPlum]

PS
In response to the actual opening question in this thread I'd like to say 'Save Me'. If we are talking strictly Rumours line-up though, I'd go for 'Sugar Daddy'.

[jbrownsjr]

When it comes to love and Do you Know from BTM,She must have been dipping into Stevie's Klonopin.

HAHAHAHA!!!!

[jbrownsjr]

Temporary One

[chiliD]

Has my opinion changed in 12.5 years?

Not really. "Sugar Daddy" is still my least favorite of Christine's 1975-87, 97output.

Still, her covering Danny's "When You Say" is still the "WTF was she thinking" moment of all-time.

[FuzzyPlum]

Has my opinion changed in 12.5 years?

Not really. "Sugar Daddy" is still my least favorite of Christine's 1975-87, 97output.

Still, her covering Danny's "When You Say" is still the "WTF was she thinking" moment of all-time.

to be fair its still 10 times better than the original version.
The la la la's border on palatable.

[AncientQueen]

I wonder why I was "MissJanet" in 2003, but I still stand by "Mystified" as worst Christine song.
I do love "Sugar Daddy" :shrug:

[Macfan4life]

Wow this is a horrible thread :eek:
Chris is the ultimate musical professional. She does not put out duds or music that is not good. That is a rare quality in a performer. She writes great songs, she sings great, and most times the music is pretty good too.
But I wont chicken out. If I was forced to pick a song I would say Ricky.
Its a Lindsey Buckingham solo sounding type song. Her lyrics and singing just don't go too much with that quirky modern sound Lindsey put out in the 1980's.

Reading this thread was tough on me. Its so odd that many songs listed her are my all time Christine favorites.. Brown Eyes, Love in Store and Wish you were here.

[Macfanforever]

Wow .This thread was started about 3 months before I joined the Ledge.I dont see any in my collection.I'm so happy that she came out of retirement and back with the Mac.

[mitzo]

Heart breaking that folks are down on Mystified, which ranks in my top 5 FM songs ever. Like, WTF.

[aleuzzi]

The worst Christine song is better than most Stevie or Lindsey tunes--so there. :)

[nicole21290]

The worst Christine song is better than most Stevie or Lindsey tunes--so there. :)

And yet of the 150+ Fleetwood Mac songs I currently have on my iPod, Brown Eyes is the only song by her which I regularly listen to and enjoy. Different strokes for different folks. :shrug:

[Wdm6789]

Sugar Daddy or Oh Daddy. Weird titles too. I think they should have done a cover of Why and that should have been on one of the albums replacing either Oh Daddy or Sugar Daddy. I'm sure there's a couple Christine songs from Tusk I don't care for as well. Honey Hi comes to mind for some reason. I think Tango is the only album in which I have nothing negative to say about any of the Christine songs. All four of Christine's songs on Tango are great for that album.

I love Only Over You and I love Mystified.

[Aussie W/Heart]

And yet of the 150+ Fleetwood Mac songs I currently have on my iPod, Brown Eyes is the only song by her which I regularly listen to and enjoy. Different strokes for different folks. :shrug:

Im with you, the only song i listen to and enjoy is Brown Eyes..

[Montclare]

I think Tango is the only album in which I have nothing negative to say about any of the Christine songs. All four of Christine's songs on Tango are great for that album.

Funny, I was going to put, other than Little Lies, her Tango songs as my least favorite. Other than those, probably Sugar Daddy and Honey Hi.

[HomerMcvie]

Sugar Daddy will ALWAYS make every greatest hits compilation I make. I LOVE that f*cking song! What is it that people can't get past? "I need a sugar daddy"? Is that IT? Because I LOVE the music, and couldn't give two sh*ts about the lyrics. Piano kicks in, followed by that B3......#heaven!!!! Have I mentioned that I LOVE SD????


Okay, I used to not care for Mystified or Only Over Ewe(I've always assumed it was about someone else in the band :lol: ), but I've learned to love them. My vote would have to be for.....

Warm Ways. It's just too damned sleepy for me, and sounds really dated.

[shackin'up]

Sugar Daddy will ALWAYS make every greatest hits compilation I make. I LOVE that f*cking song! What is it that people can't get past? "I need a sugar daddy"? Is that IT? Because I LOVE the music, and couldn't give two sh*ts about the lyrics. Piano kicks in, followed by that B3......#heaven!!!! Have I mentioned that I LOVE SD????


Okay, I used to not care for Mystified or Only Over Ewe(I've always assumed it was about someone else in the band :lol: ), but I've learned to love them. My vote would have to be for.....

Warm Ways. It's just too damned sleepy for me, and sounds really dated.

Oh my I agree. But please include Warm Ways in a best of. That's one of her songs that absolutely is a match between form and content. Sleepy? It's called Warm Ways, demmit. What else should it be?


No. Little Lies. That is Fleetwood Macs Achy Breaky Heart. A wurm. About nothing. Blerghh.

[Macfan4life]

The worst Christine song is better than most Stevie or Lindsey tunes--so there. :)
Ha! I agree with that ;)

[Mr Scarrott]

Skies the Limit is just so weak: it really annoys me as an album opener (not that things got that much better on that one...) and Save Me is just too self-derivative for her. Temporary One really, really made me wonder if she had run out of ideas by 1997. Her Time songs were all better than those mentioned above.

I don't really think any of her songs from Future Games through to Tusk are duds, although Dissatisfied comes close, at least for me.

But for me Only over you just bores me rigid, so I'll go for that.

I really don't like criticising Chris but it had to be done...

[louielouie2000]

I don't think the woman has any worst songs... everything she has released since joining FM is quality. That being said, the one song I really dislike is Don't Stop. It's a solid song, I just don't care for it aesthetically.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh my I agree. But please include Warm Ways in a best of. That's one of her songs that absolutely is a match between form and content. Sleepy? It's called Warm Ways, demmit. What else should it be?


No. Little Lies. That is Fleetwood Macs Achy Breaky Heart. A wurm. About nothing. Blerghh.

I don't hate it, but it's just too sleepy for me. I'm the same way about most music....gimme a damned beat! I would put Storms, Beautiful Child, etc... in the same category. Snoozefest!!!!

I'm tired of Little Lies, too. But it IS a pop gem, that's had many years of airplay, so it's not going away....here's an idea!!! Let them replace it with Sugar Daddy!!!:blob2::blob2::blob2:

[jbrownsjr]

Easy Come And Easy Go is also one I don't like.

[aleuzzi]

Skies the Limit is just so weak: it really annoys me as an album opener (not that things got that much better on that one...) and Save Me is just too self-derivative for her. Temporary One really, really made me wonder if she had run out of ideas by 1997. Her Time songs were all better than those mentioned above.

I don't really think any of her songs from Future Games through to Tusk are duds, although Dissatisfied comes close, at least for me.

But for me Only over you just bores me rigid, so I'll go for that.

I really don't like criticising Chris but it had to be done...

Okay, you got me on Skies the Limit, which I hate and is terrible. Lamest song ever.

But Temporary One is the catchiest new song on The Dance, and the rest you mention are pretty damn good (save her vocal on Morning Rain).

[jwd]

"Mystified", yuck! And screw all the "Sugar Daddy" haters!

[PenguinHead]

Sugar Daddy, or Only Over You.

Those are two of my favorites! I think Sugar Daddy is one her best songs lyrically and musically, so I can't reconcile how anyone would consider it to be substandard. But everyone has their own individual preferences.

Christine, for the most part, is a very even-keeled singer/songwriter. She doesn't stray far from her artistic boundaries, but still manages to create songs that have their own distinction.

I enjoy everything she has done, and have come to realize what a significant role she has played in the band. She's been the stabilizing bedrock of the group in all of its various configurations.

[PenguinHead]

Sugar Daddy, or Only Over You.

Those are two of my favorites! I think Sugar Daddy is one her best songs lyrically and musically, so I can't reconcile how anyone would consider it to be substandard. But everyone has their own individual preferences.

Christine, for the most part, is a very even-keeled singer/songwriter. She doesn't stray far from her artistic/thematic boundaries, but still manages to create songs that have their own distinction.

I enjoy everything she has done, and have come to realize what a significant role she has played in the band. She's been the stabilizing bedrock of the group in all of its various configurations.

[GypsySorcerer]

I vote for "One More Night" and "Only Over You." Yuck. And I'm fairly tired of "Don't Stop," too.

I think "Sugar Daddy" is fun. :woohoo:

[PenguinHead]

Sugar Daddy, or Only Over You.

Those are two of my favorites! I think Sugar Daddy is one her best songs lyrically and musically, so I can't reconcile how anyone would consider it to be substandard. But everyone has their own individual preferences.

Christine, for the most part, is a very even-keeled singer/songwriter. She doesn't stray far from her artistic boundaries, but still manages to create songs that have their own distinction.

I enjoy everything she has done, and have come to realize what a significant role she has played in the band. She's been the stabilizing bedrock of the group in all of its various configurations.

[michelej1]

I think Mystified is beautiful. I don't like Sugar Daddy. I don't like Brown Eyes either.

Michele

[jmn3]

Wow this really came out of the woodwork. After all of these years I'm still sticking with Only Over You and Sugar Daddy!

[FuzzyPlum]

I think Mystified is beautiful. I don't like Sugar Daddy. I don't like Brown Eyes either.

Michele

Yes, Mystified really is beautiful. But Brown Eyes is gorgeous too.

The top 3 most 'romantic' Fleetwood Mac songs are;

1) Wish You Were Here
2) Brown Eyes
3) Mystified

[jbrownsjr]

Yes, Mystified really is beautiful. But Brown Eyes is gorgeous too.

The top 3 most 'romantic' Fleetwood Mac songs are;

1) Wish You Were Here
2) Brown Eyes
3) Mystified

Being the Christine expert that I am... I love these choices!:o

[secondhandchain]

Mystified, that one is sooooo awful.

One of my favorites. Gorgeous harmonies and a beautifully melodic guitar solo by Lindsey.

[secondhandchain]

She really doesn't have a bad song in my eyes (Rumors lineup). Yes here lyrics can be weak sometimes, but I like almost all of her songs. I guess if I had to I would pick Sugar Daddy. But I love the ending.

[ryan4136]

Never make me cry

I love all the others.

[secondhandchain]

Never make me cry

I love all the others.

Never make me cry is a stunning song. Just amazing. How people don't like it is way beyond me. Her voice sounds like honey on it and I love Lindsey's melodic guitar break.

[Macfan4life]

Never make me cry is a stunning song. Just amazing. How people don't like it is way beyond me. Her voice sounds like honey on it and I love Lindsey's melodic guitar break.
Oh I agree 100%. Its so haunting and from the heart. Its short and sweet and very emotional.
But many of the songs listed on this thread make me laugh or cry :eek:

[holidayroad]

I really didn't care for 'Bad Loser' from HAHTF.

[pattyfan]

I was just going to say the same thing. I don't think Chris has any bad songs, but the three I like the least are Bad Loser, Only Over You, and Little Lies.

I had no idea that Sugar Daddy and Mystified were so unloved. I really like both of them.

Kevin

[annabellee]

I'm thinking any of these three...
Rumours: Oh Daddy
Tusk: Over & Over
Live: One More Night

[michelej1]

Oh I think her two absolute worse songs are Bad Journey and Easy Come, Easy Go. But I wasn't even counting those. I was thinking of Mac songs and I'd put Warm Ways and Never Make Me Cry in there as well as Sugar Daddy.

And if the lyrics are jarring that doesn't help the song for me. I understand that Family Man may make a great instrumental, but as a song with lyrics and music, it still fails for me. Same with Sugar Daddy.

Michele

[pattyfan]

I'm thinking any of these three...
Rumours: Oh Daddy
Tusk: Over & Over
Live: One More Night

IT's so funny how different people hear different things because Over and Over and One More Night are two of my very very favorites :)

But a lot of people love Little Lies and I think it's just meh.

Kevin

[jbrownsjr]

IT's so funny how different people hear different things because Over and Over and One More Night are two of my very very favorites :)

But a lot of people love Little Lies and I think it's just meh.

Kevin

Same here.. I love LIttle Lies, too. But it's production is too much. As a comp, it's a great tune.

[wheart]

Only Over You and Mystified are my votes.

[KarmaContestant]

This thread is too old for me to bother seeing if I responded previously, but the only Christine McVie song I can distinctly say I don't really like is Warm Ways. Even then, it's not a bad song. It's just a bit sleepy.

[michelej1]

But a lot of people love Little Lies and I think it's just meh.

Kevin

Do a lot of focused fans like Little Lies? To me, it's the casual listener's favorite.

Michele

[Murrow]

I looove Bad Loser it's in my Christine top three with Heart of Stone and Oh Daddy (top).

But Never Make Me Cry and Honey Hi are both too lightweight for me.

[Montclare]

I'm thinking any of these three...
Rumours: Oh Daddy
Tusk: Over & Over
Live: One More Night

Oh, I totally forgot about One More Night. Scratch Sugar Daddy (well, that didn't sound right) and Honey Hi and put me down for this. It just feels like an incomplete or toss away song.

Do a lot of focused fans like Little Lies? To me, it's the casual listener's favorite.

Michele

Little Lies is my favorite Tango song. It did take awhile to grow on me. I only truly started to appreciate it after seeing done live last year.

[Hawkeye]

I looove Bad Loser it's in my Christine top three with Heart of Stone and Oh Daddy (top).

But Never Make Me Cry and Honey Hi are both too lightweight for me.

EXACT SAME top 3. Pretty impressive especially considering the randomness of that assortment.

[Macfan4life]

I also LOVE Bad Loser. Its such a unique Christine song. She is rarely negative or name calling in songs. So that unique quality makes the song shine for me.

Funny story.... I was 14 in 1984 and was in full blown Mac worship syndrome. Christine had just released her solo album and I was exploring older Mac music. I had just bought Heros Are Hard To Find and discovered Bad Loser. It was an election year and was also discovering my inner political self. Bad Loser was my inner campaign theme "You're just a bad loser and your gonna go DOWN"
I have not heard the song for awhile but Heros has all sorts of gems from Chris like Come a little bit closer. Its the album right before the explosion of Fleetwood Mac. You can really hear how much better Chris gets album after album. That is why I live Heros so much.

Picking your least favorite Christine song is like picking your least favorite French fry, potato chip, or jelly bean. Its really impossible for me :eek:

[bobwelchera]

It clearly is "Do You Know." While "Wish You Were Here" is not my favorite, her duet with Billy really should not have made Behind The Mask. If Only "Love Shines" and "Heart Of Stone" were available to replace it and "The Second Time."

[HomerMcvie]

It clearly is "Do You Know." While "Wish You Were Here" is not my favorite, her duet with Billy really should not have made Behind The Mask. If Only "Love Shines" and "Heart Of Stone" were available to replace it and "The Second Time."

I always loved Do You Know. REALLY loved it. I was in college when it came out, and in a serious unrequited love situation. I think back with sad and happy memories, when I hear it, still. Just like it was yesterday.

[Macfan4life]

I always loved Do You Know. REALLY loved it. I was in college when it came out, and in a serious unrequited love situation. I think back with sad and happy memories, when I hear it, still. Just like it was yesterday.
Ditto
Its one of the best songs on Behind the Mask. I am not a fan of Billy singing but his voice sounds great on the song and blends with Chris perfectly.

[bobwelchera]

I always loved Do You Know. REALLY loved it. I was in college when it came out, and in a serious unrequited love situation. I think back with sad and happy memories, when I hear it, still. Just like it was yesterday.

That's adorable, and makes sense why you have such an attachment to it. :nod: But I don't think there was that much effort put into it. Duet-wise, the much stronger song is "When It Comes To Love." And the best tune on Behind The Mask is "Save Me," I'd say.

I actually heard "Bad Loser" on the radio in a DC restaurant this week, and that made me super happy. On "Heroes," I absolutely love the experimentation of that song and album.

[redbird]

My least favorite from the Rumours line-up albums is "Never Make Me Cry", although "Wish You Were Here", and "Only Over You" are also up (down?) there. "Over and Over" and "Warm Ways" are eh, I don't hate them but they never stand out to me. "Love In Store" never worked for me either.

I quite enjoy "Sugar Daddy" :thumbsup:

[He's So Unusual]

Mystified
Never Make Me Cry
Sugar Daddy

[The Juggler]

Christine has quite a few duds in my opinion,

- Skies The Limit
- Do You Know
- Only Over You
- Temporary One
- Wish You Were Here
- the one about Hollywood

All of these are 1/10 songs. Skies The Limit is probably the lamest song ever!
Only Over You is absolutely weak as well.

I find it funny after her artistic renewal in 1987 after Mirage and a beige solo album, that she goes on to release some of the worst songs of her career afterwards. The title track on BTM is great, but I can't think of one Christine track from the 90s I like, and I could say the same about Stevie.

[Dr.Brown]

I can't think of one Christine track from the 90s I like

Hmm, I think Love Shines and Heart of Stone from the 25 Years: The Chain box set are among her best.

[Missy]

After her return to the group I do realize her importance in the band structure. Musically and with her personality. I dare say she is the most 'normal' and down to earth person in the group. Many of her songs don't do mich for me but others love them. And I think in general she's a solid writer.

When you've done that many albums you're going to have a few hits and misses.

[haleyd]

I am clearly in the minority here lol, I actually like Sugar Daddy. The lyrics are "meh" but it's a catchy little tune. I'd say Mystified and Only Over You are my least fave. However I have been bitter with Oh Daddy for years because I feel like had that song *not* been on Rumours and Silver Springs was it would literally be a perfect, flawless record from front to back. (I realize it didn't "replace" SS I'm just saying, it's not as good!) So the song has grown on me but it's certainly not a favorite by any means.

[sanders8323]

"Only over You" gets a lot of flack around here, and like most here I used to think it was a pretty dull song. However, I sat down and really listened to it one day, and now I think it is one of her best tunes. John lays down some awesome bass during the end/fade-out, and the vocal harmonies all throughout are totally Beach Boys-esque, probably because the song was inspired by Dennis. It's just beautiful all around.

[sorcerer999]

"Only over You" gets a lot of flack around here, and like most here I used to think it was a pretty dull song. However, I sat down and really listened to it one day, and now I think it is one of her best tunes. John lays down some awesome bass during the end/fade-out, and the vocal harmonies all throughout are totally Beach Boys-esque, probably because the song was inspired by Dennis. It's just beautiful all around.

AGREED! I absolutely ADORE "Only Over You". It's one of the highlights on "Mirage" for me!

My least fave Christine songs are probably "Sugar Daddy" and "Homeward Bound".

[FuzzyPlum]

"Only over You" gets a lot of flack around here, and like most here I used to think it was a pretty dull song. However, I sat down and really listened to it one day, and now I think it is one of her best tunes. John lays down some awesome bass during the end/fade-out, and the vocal harmonies all throughout are totally Beach Boys-esque, probably because the song was inspired by Dennis. It's just beautiful all around.

I have posted this link before but an opportune time to do so again. Perhaps some people will appreciate this version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FhEcIv29ps

[FuzzyPlum]

Christine has quite a few duds in my opinion,

- Skies The Limit
- Do You Know
- Only Over You
- Temporary One
- Wish You Were Here
- the one about Hollywood

All of these are 1/10 songs. Skies The Limit is probably the lamest song ever!
Only Over You is absolutely weak as well.

I find it funny after her artistic renewal in 1987 after Mirage and a beige solo album, that she goes on to release some of the worst songs of her career afterwards. The title track on BTM is great, but I can't think of one Christine track from the 90s I like, and I could say the same about Stevie.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and if you dont like her songs then you dont like them- fair enough. I lose a bit of respect for you though when you say those are all 1/10 songs. They aren't. definitely not, never could be considered 1/10. Nope. Not a chance. Are they amongst her best...no, of course not- but compared to some of the sh!t out there at the time of their creation they could be considered masterpieces. No Fleetwood Mac song can be considered 1/10 (er, maybe Lizard People).
Skies The limit- not her best song I'd agree. The lamest song ever? Get out of here.
1990's: as has been noted- Love Shines (especially) & Heart of Stone

[FuzzyPlum]

No Fleetwood Mac song can be considered 1/10 [I](er, maybe Lizard People)

Actually, I take that back, Lizard People is not without merit in comparison to These Strange Times and Empire State :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and if you dont like her songs then you dont like them- fair enough. I lose a bit of respect for you though when you say those are all 1/10 songs. They aren't. definitely not, never could be considered 1/10. Nope. Not a chance. Are they amongst her best...no, of course not- but compared to some of the sh!t out there at the time of their creation they could be considered masterpieces. No Fleetwood Mac song can be considered 1/10 (er, maybe Lizard People).
Skies The limit- not her best song I'd agree. The lamest song ever? Get out of here.
1990's: as has been noted- Love Shines (especially) & Heart of Stone

I think I'm in love with you.:xoxo: I get that a lot of people don't care about Christine or care for her music. But, she wrote some killer stuff. All three writers have duds.

I think Skies is a great tune.. I don't think I like the arrangement of the song. The keys sound like a trolly from 1983. lol....

I don't like Temporary One. But, it must be a good tune. A lot of people really like it.

[jbrownsjr]

AGREED! I absolutely ADORE "Only Over You". It's one of the highlights on "Mirage" for me!

My least fave Christine songs are probably "Sugar Daddy" and "Homeward Bound".

I love Only Over You. I love how she vocally soars and I love LB's guitar at the end.

Quite coincidentally, when I heard As Long As You Follow. I thought Vito's guitar at the end sound a bit like Only over You.

[FuzzyPlum]

I think I'm in love with you.:xoxo:

Ummm... sh!t... er... I love you too.

[jbrownsjr]

Ummm... sh!t... er... I love you too.

It was your hatred that fooled me!! (just kidding)...

If you can't argue about Mac people, then who can you argue about? :shrug:

[Dr.Brown]

Something to keep in mind: even on her worst bender, Christine would never write a song about chimpanzees. :nod:

[annabellee]

Something to keep in mind: even on her worst bender, Christine would never write a song about chimpanzees. :nod:

Right, why would she step outside of her comfort zone and take a risk? That wouldn't make for good art.

I think the comparisons are pretty baseless...

[HomerMcvie]

Something to keep in mind: even on her worst bender, Christine would never write a song about chimpanzees. :nod:

Isn't Oh Daddy about Mick?:shrug::shrug::shrug:

[aleuzzi]

I wonder if there are threads titled "Worst Stevie song" and "Worst Lindsey song." If there aren't, then I'm wondering why this one exists.

I think all three of them have written clunkers. Of the three, Christine is the most consistent and solid of the songwriters. Although Stevie and Lindsey have occasionally reached heights she has not ("Rhiannon," "Tusky") they aren't immune to awfulness. At her least inspired, Christine is never truly awful. Skies the Limit is her worst.

[SpyNote]

It's funny. If you reviewed this thread, you'd think that ALL of Christine's songs were bad. :laugh: So I'll throw out "Songbird." What was she thinking??

[AncientQueen]

Yeah, one persons chimpanzee is another persons bird. :)

[Ted57]

Oh Daddy. Never cared for it when I first heard it and it has never grown on me.

[GypsySorcerer]

I vote for "One More Night" and "Only Over You." Yuck. And I'm fairly tired of "Don't Stop," too.


Still the same. I think One More Night is her absolute worst.

[jbrownsjr]

Still the same. I think One More Night is her absolute worst.

It's not my favorite, either. But her vocal is so good on it. I always wondered if this was about Dennis Wilson and girlfriend.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

I'll be completely honest. The only song of Christine's that I absolutely can't stand is Sugar Daddy. It is sooo flippin' borning...

[jbrownsjr]

I'll be completely honest. The only song of Christine's that I absolutely can't stand is Sugar Daddy. It is sooo flippin' borning...

That's 99% all in favor!

[~*BellaDonna*~]

That's 99% all in favor!
Yep. Apperntly a lot of us Ledgies hate it......... :eek:

[Macfan4life]

I'll be completely honest. The only song of Christine's that I absolutely can't stand is Sugar Daddy. It is sooo flippin' borning...
I LOVE Sugar Daddy.
Its so 1975 and bluesy. It could have almost went on Heroes are hard to find.
I love the Stevie harmony at the end
"I'm not asking for loooove"

[jcalzaretta]

Only Over You

[~*BellaDonna*~]

I LOVE Sugar Daddy.
Its so 1975 and bluesy. It could have almost went on Heroes are hard to find.
I love the Stevie harmony at the end
"I'm not asking for loooove"
... its just not my cup of tea, but I kindly respect your opinion.... :)

[olive]

her worse compared to .. Welcome to the Room Sara or When i see you again then I choose ________________

[jbrownsjr]

her worse compared to .. Welcome to the Room Sara or When i see you again then I choose ________________

:xoxo::xoxo:

[redbird]

I LOVE Sugar Daddy.
Its so 1975 and bluesy. It could have almost went on Heroes are hard to find.
I love the Stevie harmony at the end
"I'm not asking for loooove"

Yeah it really reminds me of Heroes too. I like Christine's LA + blues inflected pop more than the slicker stuff in the 80's.

[Street_Dreamer]

When You Say, always and forever.

[jbrownsjr]

I agree Sugar Daddy could have been on Heroes. I love that song.

[He's So Unusual]

Warm Ways or Mystified

[mitzo]

Warm Ways or Mystified

My 2 faves of hers, along with As Long as You Follow.

[jbrownsjr]

My 2 faves of hers, along with As Long as You Follow.

I love Warm Ways Mystified, and ALAYF

[secondhandchain]

Really don't get the Warm way and Mystified hate. As a musician i am blown away by the beautiful melody, harmonies and amazingly melodic guitar solo in Mystified. The song evokes such a feeling of tropical sensuality to me. Warm ways is great too.

[aleuzzi]

When You Say, always and forever.

It's possibly the worst song in the FM catalogue, too. What was Danny thinking when he wrote and recorded it? What were the band thinking? Peter apparently thought it should be the lead single from Then Play On. Can you imagine?!

Christine's version is just as bad, but there's nothing she could have done to have improved upon it. The real question is, what lapse in taste urged her to record it?

[aleuzzi]

I love Warm Ways Mystified, and ALAYF

These are exquisite songs. Her singing on both of them is inspired, particularly on "Warm Ways," which is a bit of an aberration for Christine: it is written in E-flat, one of the only songs with a "black" root note. As Christine has said, she is comfortable playing in any key as long as the root note is a "white" note--the ivory key over the ebony ones. As a player of the keys myself, I completely sympathize with her comment. Playing in a sharp or flat key can be a bit more difficult on the fingers. Still, one of the reasons "Warm Ways" sounds different and fresh is because it revels in a musical texture she doesn't normally explore.

[HomerMcvie]

These are exquisite songs. Her singing on both of them is inspired, particularly on "Warm Ways," which is a bit of an aberration for Christine: it is written in E-flat, one of the only songs with a "black" root note. As Christine has said, she is comfortable playing in any key as long as the root note is a "white" note--the ivory key over the ebony ones. As a player of the keys myself, I completely sympathize with her comment. Playing in a sharp or flat key can be a bit more difficult on the fingers. Still, one of the reasons "Warm Ways" sounds different and fresh is because it revels in a musical texture she doesn't normally explore.

Which is why I also believe Lindsey would play with the tape speeds, especially on his songs. Even lowering it a quarter of a step gives it a different sound.

That said, growing up learning guitar and keyboards by playing along, I HATED him for it. For guitar, you had to retune for every *&^%ing song, and on keys(unless it was something you could manually change the pitch), you were screwed!

Back to WW, it's never been a favorite of mine. The production sounds horribly dated, with all those tom fills.

[FuzzyPlum]

Really don't get the Warm way and Mystified hate. As a musician i am blown away by the beautiful melody, harmonies and amazingly melodic guitar solo in Mystified. The song evokes such a feeling of tropical sensuality to me. Warm ways is great too.

If anyone is yet to hear it RD posted an interesting early cut of Mystified.
All the instrumentation is a lot more disparate (if that's the right word) than on the final version. I'm glad it was developed a lot further.
http://thepenguinstale.tumblr.com/

[aleuzzi]

Which is why I also believe Lindsey would play with the tape speeds, especially on his songs. Even lowering it a quarter of a step gives it a different sound.

That said, growing up learning guitar and keyboards by playing along, I HATED him for it. For guitar, you had to retune for every *&^%ing song, and on keys(unless it was something you could manually change the pitch), you were screwed!

Back to WW, it's never been a favorite of mine. The production sounds horribly dated, with all those tom fills.

Yes, regarding Lindsey's production choices. He liked to speed up the tape, and the effect is especially noticeable some of Christine's songs. As good as it is, Isn't it Midnight would have been far better if he'd stayed true to the original key.

I don't think of WW as dated. Yeah, those tom fills might be a bit of a tell that it's the early-to-mid seventies. (Think SHOW ME A SMILE.) But to my ears the production on it is pretty clean and crisp. And her voice is just gorgeous. Weird choice for a first single, though.