Does FM need a great video to put this cd over the top?

[Miranda]

With the lame Today show performance and the failure of the cd to debut higher than a 4 cut DVD (50 cent) and a reality show winner, (Kelly Clarkson), does anyone think FM must release a kick-ass video to push this new cd over the top? I feel they either have to make a great music video of one of the "show stopper" songs, or record a live concert like they did with The Dance to create a buzz. Otherwise, I think this cd will peak at 3, lose steam, and decline after new releases like Madonna and others who do videos lap them in the long run. If they can't sell their playing on shows like Today, or Leno, then it's time for serious damage control.

If I had any PR input, I'd try to convince them to do a video in which the band does not actually appear, except maybe so briefly it is not noticeable at first. I'd like to see them make something visual out of "Miranda" using the porn star theme. Maybe have the band as voyeurs peeking in on "Miranda." Just show their eyes or above the nose shots of people staring or looking at something, but we can't really tell who the eyes belong to. Make it a guessing game of sorts. Miranda is a song that can show them playing a song with a lot of different elements that appeal to different audiences. The core beat is straight funk, while the production has LB's favorite new wave elements, and the guitar licks will grab rock fans with the killer guitar solos. The right video might fool people (in a good way) into wondering who is that? Ya know, like a mystery band...don't tell who it is at first...just play the song/video and let people guess who it is. I think a promotion like that could help get a buzz around the band. They have to allow people to see them doing more than old Rumours tunes and safe FM ditties like SYW.

Any other ideas about videos?

[Wayne2]

If they do a video, I hope it's not for one of the "safe" tracks (Say You Will, Thrown Down...etc)

Miranda wouldn't be bad.

What about something darker, like "Murrow..."?

[John Run]

I think other than fact that many of us would like to see a video the value of a video is extremely limited. MTV plays very few videos and even if they did they would not play Fleetwood Mac. VH1 has also stopped playing videos with the exception of early mornings and late night. They show no videos in prime time. So my question to you is who is going to play it???

Again my point is that a video does not have the desired mass marketing impact you describe. It does however quell the thirst of some of the users of this board.

The album is acutally exceeding record company expectations. Origianally hoped for a debut of 150,000 it is going to be over 200,000. For point of reference Stevie's 2001 solo album debuted at 105k, 1997's the Dance at 199k.

[Miranda]

Hmmm? My kids are watching them all the time, especially on weekends. They always have those top 10 or top 20 lists on. That's the only way I know what's popular since I only listen to classic rock, myself. I don't think it should be that way, but I still think video killed the radio star. Maybe I'm wrong? As far as the debut numbers, the Dance debuted at #1. I think SYW's debut at #3 will be as far as it goes unless something else pushes it over the top. Maybe a great video, but a bad one will do more harm than good, so I hope they don't make one just to make one. Ya know what I mean?

[SmthngOfADreamr]

There are many more options for music videos today besides MTV or VH1. I have digital cable here and we get at least 10 music video channels of all sorts. If they made a video, it would be seen somewhere.

And I want a video! I can't believe we don't have one for Peacekeeper. It's just like when Stevie didn't have one for POTU. Ironically, that was her biggest hit from TISL, I think. But I don't care, I want vidoes and lots of them! :laugh:

The sad thing is, I think we're only getting one more single from this album. Didn't anyone else notice on the CD wrapper it said "featuring Peackeeeper and SYW." That usually means those are the only singles. :distress:

[GardenStateGirlie]

You know what would be a good idea??? Elton John used Justin Timberlake to play him in his younger years in a recent video. Why not use younger celebrities to play Fleetwood Mac in the early years and then show the Fleetwood Mac of today...kind of combine what happened yesterday to the new Mac of today? I think that would be cute for Say You Will. It would even be EXCELLENT for Smile At You or Thrown Down (both of which I believe to be about Lindsey)...a young Lindsey and a young Stevie look-alike. That would rock and at the same time, bring in younger audiences because of the younger stars. People might watch the video because one of their favorite celebrities is in it and then really end up enjoying the song. If someone is reading this from the record company, ya'll should do that...seriously...and I accept checks and both large and small denominations of money :nod: :laugh:

[WindingRoad]

Originally posted by Miranda
Hmmm? My kids are watching them all the time, especially on weekends. They always have those top 10 or top 20 lists on. That's the only way I know what's popular since I only listen to classic rock, myself.

I agree ! :nod: I started watching videos to keep up with what my son is listening to and ended up being more than a classic rock listener.

Drives my son NUTS when I know all the words to one of "his" generation's songs. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I have had soo many thoughts about what could be done for videos, and I'm not even that creative! I thinks lots of cool things could be done.

And regardless of what VH1 is doing schedule wise, videos are still important. I'll bet Madonna will have one splashed every where you look.

Also, and don't hit me here, but I don't see anything wrong with getting a corporate sponser and making a commercial with one of the songs. Heck, I just saw a Toyota commercial last night that had a (I think, don't really remember) Rod Stewart song playing in the background. And it wasn't even a new song! I remember it from my youth. :eek:

Has me thinking about Rod Stewart now, doesn't it. :nod:

Publicity is there for the taking. Take it!

susieq :wavey:

[John Run]

What my kids are watching seems to be a popular response. Fleetwood Mac and your kids are not in the same demographic group.

I am not trying to be a jerk here. I am trying to explain a little about a business that I have an understanding of. Videos for Adult oriented artists are not considered a major marketing tool anymore.

Please get off the Number 3 debut. Say You Will sold more in its first week than the Dance which was number 1.

The album exceed expectations by 60k plus copies at 211k.

[BlueGrass]

After not releasing a video for "The Rising," he made one for his second single, "Lonesome Day." I think the Mac should shoot one for SYW.

[Miranda]

Aerosmith and my kids are not in the same demographic group either, but that didn't hurt the popularity of their last cd. The video for "Don't Want to Miss a Thing" was a smash even with a younger audience, and nobody seemed to care this song wasn't even written by the band! Just having a connection to a hit movie and a hot video made the critics and the public gush all over a band that was once considered wahsed up and done for.

;)

[Cristian]

...well with the right song. Yes, that's my choice, of course. I still love the days when video clips weren't needed to promote a song. Although I wasn't even born in those days... Oh well.


Song of the moment - Everybody Finds Out

[estranged4life]

it's not really necessary but I would like to see 1 video done with the right song...Brian J.

[macmar71]

As much as I would welcome a video for PeaceKeeper, I don't think it would get much airplay if indeed it were made and also from past interviews both Stevie and Lindsey aren't always keen on doing them.
A way to get a video out to the public and I am not saying it should be for PeaceKeeper as I can really envision a video for Say You Will, would be for Mick to put together the video compilation that this band is long overdue to release. Mick sits on so many great goldmines but doesn't do it. Again, I could be an advisor and I would do it for free tickets to their shows:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Sorcerer386]

Originally posted by Miranda
With the lame Today show performance and the failure of the cd to debut higher than a 4 cut DVD (50 cent) and a reality show winner, (Kelly Clarkson), does anyone think FM must release a kick-ass video to push this new cd over the top?

Well, I don't think even a video would have allowed FM to oversell these two. Why the Hell 50 Cent is so popular, I'll never understand. However, American Idol was absolutely huge, and as I said, Clarkson managed to make a single that went gold, and singles just don't do that anymore. I'm not surprised Clarkson sold more (if it did...I haven't heard) just because of pop culture. I was going to post earlier, but forgot, not to worry about 50 Cent and Clarkson because even though they were said to debuted at #1 and 2, they were probably going to sell a LOT of units, therefore FM could still sell a lot but not reach #1. It's just today's pop culture...I mean, N'Sync has the highest album debut with 2.4 million copies...N'SYNC! After that, I couldn't expect too much from our culture.

[DownOnRodeo]

Thanks to Tracy at burnish.net for finding this!

Fleetwood Mac Peacekeeper Video To Be 'Added' (http://new.stockwatch.com/newsit/newsit_newsit.pasp?bid=U-pNYW164-U:VIA-20030423&news_region=U&symbol=VIA)

Wouldn't it be great if it was an original story video, rather than just soundstage footage or something.

[tgee]

I'm hoping for a 'real' video. But they did some sort of in-studio performance for it because Dateline and Extra and Today were all using it. The Dance sold so much because the concert was played over and over again. Maybe they've realized this and decided to give us a video already.

[Sorcerer386]

All I have to say is, thank God! It might be a little too late for Peacekeeper, but hopefully they will kick Say You Will off with a video right away. I personally feel with a video, Peacekeeper might be doing better on the charts. I know you guys think that since videos are only played in late night and morning that they don't matter, but if you've ever visited the VH1 Top 20 countdown, it's amazing just how many people POST there, much less watch the videos.

[Janet]

My idea for videos.

I have two:

Running Through The Garden...I see Stevie in a garden singing and Lindsey kind of playing guitar around her...this forbidden friut. At one point he tries to seduce her and she lets him and then turns away from him and then he plays as she screams and tears up her garden and it should be really bright with rich reds and yellows and greens and her in black dripping dress with like the colors bleeding as the video goes on and the colors kind of overlapping until the end where its just totally a mess of colors and all you see are Stevie's eyes and hands and then a blank screen.

And then Everybody Finds Out

I see the band on top of a building in the dark and just something like that. They are on top of a scyscraper...and the helicopters are going around and it would be dramatic and dark.

I think alot about this. These songs should be the next singles IMO.

[DownOnRodeo]

Janet, why are you posting in these forums and not out there making music videos?!:nod:

[Janet]

You don't want me making these videos. Mrs B would take one look and divorce her husband after she saw what I had them do. I need to stay far away!!!

If FM did videos it would be boring performance videos and that's it. I miss the old days of the FM videos LIKE Seven Wonders and Gypsy. I mean together or not, S/L have electricity and that would get people to watch. Nothing like sex and beauty to get people watching you know???

[GardenStateGirlie]

For Everybody Finds Out I like your concept. I intially thought it would be cool to show John walking on a stage...you only hear his footsteps at first and then you see him draw the curtain. Behind it would be Stevie on her "midnight plane." She looks out the window and starts singing the beginning of the song as she sees the city below and the Empire State Building. Perhaps the Empire State Building. That's when we can pick up on your idea....the band can be playing on the top of the building with helicopters flying around it...Stevie is trying to get into the Empire State Building but there are tons of people shoving cameras and microphones in her face...she's trying to push people out of the way and there's one photographer *wink wink* that keeps following her. She finally makes it upstairs to the top and everyone is gone...the helicopters are still circling the top of the building and she is crying. She looks down from the top and the camera zooms in on a yellow taxi and two people about to get in...Lindsey and the photographer....they smile at each other and the photographer takes her camera and takes a photograph of Stevie at the top of the building.

Janet girl, let's make a FM video!!!

[nae]

GSG, I love your video concept! Just thought I'd let you know:)

Nae

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally posted by nae
GSG, I love your video concept! Just thought I'd let you know:)

Nae

Thanks Nae!! I actually had a dream about it last night most likely due to the fact that I fell asleep with my discman on with EFO on repeat...lol When I read Janet's post I was like, "woah! get out of my head!" That's a little freaky right there.....in the words of Lindsey several thousand times in 1997, "isn't...isn't that weird??!?" lol They should take our ideas and totally make this into a video....I think it would be awesome and i'm glad someone else does too. :) I think Janet and I would be happy with payment for the use of the idea with some backstage passes and dinner with the band :laugh:

[nae]

Hiring you guys to make the video would be money well spent. IMO,much better than paying it to the shhhmuck who does their website! Anyway, good concept.

Nae
:nod: