Mick's web site

[CarneVaca]

I must confess I was sort of down on Mick's web site. I thought it was just some self-adulation endeavour designed to heighten his stature with the Fleetwood Mac-loving world while making a few extra pennies from sales of his life story on video.

Boy, was I wrong!

I don't know how many of you have been over there lately, but man, that site is chockfull of useful information. They even have a link to Sararhiannon's site for the Fox clip with "Say You Will" in the background. How many bands would do that for you? I finally climbed down from my high horse and took a swing by this week. And I was very pleased with what I saw. Mick has graciously and generously taken time from his busy schedule to keep us abreast of his lavish vacations and personal and professional endeavours. Oh, to be a rock star with all the well-deserved trimmings! One can only dream.

And not only that. Did you know Mick contributes to handpicked charities? And he is kind enough to bring his devoted fans along on his philanthropic efforts. I was truly pleased to be informed of this*. How kind of him to want to help out little orphan drummers, and such. Oh, but I jest, since I really don't know what the causes are.

But here's where Mick's site becomes very useful to the fan. I found that if you register by choosing an ID and password, you may become a member of this tight-knit community in a matter of seconds. Hey, even enrolling in your local parish church takes longer than that! So I registered folks, and boy, I had never felt better about doing something on the Net. I had some questions for Mick, for which I eagerly await the answers. I have no doubt that he takes some time out of his workday to read every last word from his devote fans. Here are the questions I've posed (of course I am paraphrasing, but I put a lot more thought into how I worded them on Mick's site; I wanted the questions to be clear and easy to read so he doesn't have to spend more time on them than he has to):

--What charities does he contribute to from the sales of pre-ordered CDs?
--If I disapprove of the causes he has chosen, do I get a discount on my CD pre-order?
--Could Fleetwood Mac check with me before scheduling concerts in New York to make sure I'm available?
--What kind of nail polish does Lindsey use to keep his nails strong?

I have no doubt that he will answer my questions as soon as he humanly can.

*Paraphrased from Jagger/Richards, "Far Away Eyes."

[Sorcerer386]

Sorry, gotta ask...is this whole post sarcastic? Or are you being serious? Of course, the questions pretty much give the answer away, but I just want to make sure. :cool:

[celestenadia]

ROTFL

celestenadia:laugh:

[seteca]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
--Could Fleetwood Mac check with me before scheduling concerts in New York to make sure I'm available?
--What kind of nail polish does Lindsey use to keep his nails strong?

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!:laugh: :laugh:

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Sorcerer386
Sorry, gotta ask...is this whole post sarcastic? Or are you being serious? Of course, the questions pretty much give the answer away, but I just want to make sure. :cool:

Sorcerer, I am genuinely interested in finding out what charities Mick is contributing to. It's about full disclosure.

As for the tenor of my post, well, I'll leave that up to you to decide. ;)

CelesteNadia, that quote at the bottom of your post: Did you write that? I like that a lot.

[celestenadia]

Thank you for the comment about the snippet on my signature. Yes, that is
taken from a song I wrote although I'm not nearly as good as I used to be.;)

[AliP]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Sorcerer, I am genuinely interested in finding out what charities Mick is contributing to. It's about full disclosure.



I agree. The first thing I thougt was "What charities?" and "How much is being donated to these charties from each membership to the fan club?"

[Dulcimer]

That's funny. Did you get any answers yet?

[CarneVaca]

No answers yet. I suspect I'm being ignored.

[Barbara]

CV - There's nothing funnier (or nastier) than well written sarcasm . . . and as far as Mick's site, you really nailed it.

Thanks for the laugh . . .:laugh:

Barbara

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Barbara
CV - There's nothing funnier (or nastier) than well written sarcasm . . . and as far as Mick's site, you really nailed it.

Thanks for the laugh . . .:laugh:

Barbara

Yeah, I think I finally have this whole thing figured out: Make fun of another site ;)

[CarneVaca]

Well, folks, lest anyone carry with the disappointing conclusion that Mick has ignored my questions, rest easy for I received the answer to one question:

Lots of you asking baout the causes Mick supports on the site. A portion of the proceeds will go to The NEA (National Endowment for the Arts) to help their choice of high quality artist outreach and support programs and/or to Music Cares which offers healthcare benefits for musicians who often have no "employer program". Give us a couple of months and we'll give you more details and info on these and others we'll be supporting. To those of you on the boards with three or more stars, please help spread the word about the Poster and the Causes.

More Soon!

The Knight!

What a nice, helpful fellow The Knight is.

[seteca]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
To those of you on the boards with three or more stars, please help spread the word about the Poster and the Causes.


Wtf does that even mean?? Walk around town with a megaphone??:shrug:

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[CarneVaca]

Oh, yeah, I got a reply. But not answers. For those, I will have to pay $1,100.

[FiercestCalmSea]

Oh, yeah, I got a reply. But not answers. For those, I will have to pay $1,100



LMAO...that board is nuts now..i never posted so much as i have in the last few days...some of those people are insane....I know i should leave it be...but like every time i go over there,there is a new person that irks me and i have to say something,lol...I just flamed some dude named Dino cause he is acting like the Fleetwood Mac police..

[Cristian]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Oh, yeah, I got a reply. But not answers. For those, I will have to pay $1,100. :laugh: :laugh:

OMG!!! Definitely the laugh of the day. Thanks for the well performed sarcasm, Carne. :)

That Mick site is crazy... And all about handling the album... And The Knight??? Who on Earth is this guy??? Now we have to ADORE and praise him because he's feeding us with small seeds of information every fifteen days???

Oh, this whole thing is just incredibly, amazingly wrong. All wrong.


Song of the moment - Stop Messin' Around

[nae]

Originally posted by Cristian
:laugh: :laugh:

OMG!!! Definitely the laugh of the day. Thanks for the well performed sarcasm, Carne. :)

That Mick site is crazy... And all about handling the album... And The Knight??? Who on Earth is this guy??? Now we have to ADORE and praise him because he's feeding us with small seeds of information every fifteen days???

Oh, this whole thing is just incredibly, amazingly wrong. All wrong.


Song of the moment - Stop Messin' Around


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LMAO!

OMG~The whole thing is ridickulous!

Nae

[CarneVaca]

Say whatever you want, Mick's board is getting a lot of activity. Certainly a lot more than here. I guess controversy is a good thing if you want to keep your bulletin board popular.

[CarneVaca]

Oh, by the way, anyone who wants to reply to my last post above, that will cost you $1,100.

[madformac]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Oh, by the way, anyone who wants to reply to my last post above, that will cost you $1,100.

I'll reply CV, however it will cost you $1,100 as well to read my reply, so I guess that makes it quits.

I cannot even stand the sight, or should I say site, of Mick at the moment.

The Knight?

Oh you mean the one that wears all the metal armour to stop anything possibly dangerous getting through and causing discomfort but still manages to carry weapons to inflict maximum damage on others?

Oh, I'm thinking of medieval knights! :rolleyes: Or am I??

This site and it's membership fees has to be the biggest financial insult to my intelligence I think I can remember. Good old Mick.

:wavey:

[Livia]

Madformac said:

The Knight?

Oh you mean the one that wears all the metal armour to stop anything possibly dangerous getting through and causing discomfort but still manages to carry weapons to inflict maximum damage on others?

Oh, I'm thinking of medieval knights! Or am I??


I can't resist...maybe he's one of the Knights who says, "NEE!" (sp?)

[seteca]

Originally posted by Livia
I can't resist...maybe he's one of the Knights who says, "NEE!" (sp?)

lol!

It's funny isn't it...Mick said he wants to "get closer to his fans"....so he's employed some condescending jackass who remains nameless and answers only questions which may ultimately result in financial benefit to Mick. What do you want to get closer to Mick...the fans or their money?

CarneVaca, I don't think Mick's site is as buzzing as it first looks. I really do think a large handful of screenames are part of the site's administration team, pretending to be loyal fans. It would certainly explain why the majority of the regular posters there act like they're permanently on speed.
Take the day of the "Meet and Greet" announcement for example: look at the first few posts. They are totally ecstatic at the idea of giving $1,100 away just like that to meet "a couple of members". No questions asked. One sentence posts. And their post count: 1.
There are also other posters there with huge post counts who I also believe are part of the site's team. Their job: to (try to) make other fans think "ooh, that huge fan has decided to pay the gazillion dollars for Mick's underwear, so maybe I should too!:]"

Unfortunately (for them) Mick's management/web administrators seem to have made the critical mistake of thinking that "fan = moron." Sorry, Mick, it ain't so: here's a better idea, when the show comes round to London you pay me $1,100 and I'll put you into a hotel room, arrange transportation for you to your drumkit and in the meantime I'll think about whether or not I should meet you. Deal?:)

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[Cristian]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Say whatever you want, Mick's board is getting a lot of activity. Certainly a lot more than here.Can't compare quality with quantity. The ones who are allowed to speak there are the ones with the "you-are-my-favorite-musician-ever-and-I-will-accept-everything-you-say-and-do-even-if-it-costs-me-$1,100-to-meet-you" attitude. Or the ones who don't get too much into trouble. People with other opinions just don't bother going to post there. I am postively sure that I'd be banned in two-three days in that Forum.

That's why I'll stay here. Even though you probably don't care about it. :laugh: :laugh:


Song of the moment - Gate And Garden

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by seteca
Their job: to (try to) make other fans think "ooh, that huge fan has decided to pay the gazillion dollars for Mick's underwear, so maybe I should too!:]"


Woooh.... hold up there. I didn't know Mick's underwear was up for sale. In that case, where's my checkbook?

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally posted by Cristian
Can't compare quality with quantity.

Well said!
Some of these posters over there have like a 2000 post count! The site's only been up for a few months! Unbelievable.

Originally posted by Cristian

That's why I'll stay here. Even though you probably don't care about it.

We do, Cristian! :wavey:

[EnchantedStorms]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
Some of these posters over there have like a 2000 post count! The site's only been up for a few months! Unbelievable.



I know!! It's amazing, isn't it? lol, I've been coming here for almost two years (lurking a lot longer than that:) ) and I've *still* only got like eight hundred and some odd posts. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


~Angela~


:wavey:

[CarneVaca]

Well, guys, since I kind of have a thing for fairness, here goes:

There's definitely a creepy undercurrent on Mick's site. But I've made some pretty strong, critical statements, occasionally a wise ass remark or two, and got into a tangle (now there's a surprise!) with another poster or two.

And guess what? So far they've given me no strikes and my account still works!

[strandinthewind]

LOL Livia (and hello as well). Maybe we should request a shubbery (sp?) :D :D :D ;) :laugh: :laugh:

[ERigby818]

...and I wanted to barf!
I used the pc I have at work to go lurk over there for a few minutes (the "bb" crashes my mac broswer as I've said, but it's no big loss) and in the short time I was there and the little I saw I was totally creeped out:
1. I actually saw one of these mick-can-do-no-wrong cheerleaders with 1000+ posts telling someone who was skepitical about the fan club to LEAVE. :shocked:
2. The few skeptics there who asked more than just simple questions about their concerns seemed to go unanswered
3. One skeptic referred to an earlier post of theirs that had been DELETED by someone other than he/she!
4. The only complaining on one thread seemed to be that there was too much negativity and complaining!
5. Someone apparently posted the fine print you agree to when you get a fan club membership...this I want to see again, I didn't get a good look, but it looked like there are no guarantees to anything:(
6. More praise and endless thanks for Mick and the "Knight" for working so tirelessly for the fans! (I think they get paid by the hour)
7. Someone pointed out how many tens of thousands of dollars Mick had made off the first day of fan club memberships and nobody seemed disturbed by this!


Now all of this was just my brief observation and in some cases, my opinion. I certainly don't blame or judge anyone for posting or checking over there who wants info. After all, it is an official site and there is so much exciting stuff going on right now. I'm just a little nauseous from these freaky cheerleaders, and their lack of respect for a little dissent/skepticism/questioning that did NOT include any artistic criticism or "trolling."

I'll talke quality and variety over quantity any day :nod:.
-Sonia

[CarneVaca]

Ah, come on, guys. Give the man a break. After all, he went on a hunger strike and stood up to the British, managing to loosen the tight grip of imperialism on India...

Oh, wait a minute. Sorry, that was Ghandi. I got them confused again! Must be all those charitable causes Mick's gotten involved in of late that keep confusing the crap out of me.

Eh, what can you do In These Strange Times? :shrug:

[David]

Originally posted by ERigby818
3. One skeptic referred to an earlier post of theirs that had been DELETED by someone other than he/she!I believe it! I wrote a masterpiece of a post over there a couple of days ago, & it was deleted!

The only advantage that board has over this one is that it works properly with Explorer 6.0 & later. This board still jumps up & down while the image is interlacing.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by David
I believe it! I wrote a masterpiece of a post over there a couple of days ago, & it was deleted!

The only advantage that board has over this one is that it works properly with Explorer 6.0 & later. This board still jumps up & down while the image is interlacing.
So what was the masterpiece you wrote??? Obviously something other than saying how wonderful Mick is ;)

Pip

[CarneVaca]

Well, since the question was raised here, I decided to pose it at Mick's site:

Just curious: Are the people who keep jumping in here always saying how Mick and The Knight are so great on Mick's payroll, or are they just Mick and The Knight signing on under different names?

[FiercestCalmSea]

Just curious: Are the people who keep jumping in here always saying how Mick and The Knight are so great on Mick's payroll, or are they just Mick and The Knight signing on under different names?


Good question...there can't be that many Mick fanatics,lol.

[nae]

Mick's site IS creepy & I agree with everyone here who is saying the whole fan club thing is questionable/wrong. It's so obvious that it's all about the $$$. Do those people think we are THAT stupid?
It will be interesting to hear the stories people come back with after the shows, because then we will be able to make a final judgement~~~You know,all of this makes me regret the fact that Mick(or whoever) passed up the chance for THIS site to be official a long time ago. What a shame.

NAE

[Cristian]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Just curious: Are the people who keep jumping in here always saying how Mick and The Knight are so great on Mick's payroll, or are they just Mick and The Knight signing on under different names?How much time did it take you to get banned, you were saying? ;)


Song of the moment - Freedom

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by nae
You know,all of this makes me regret the fact that Mick(or whoever) passed up the chance for THIS site to be official a long time ago. What a shame.In light of recent events, I, for one, couldn't be happier that the Penguin wasn't chosen for official status! :)



Johnny Stew

[wetcamelfood]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
In light of recent events, I, for one, couldn't be happier that the Penguin wasn't chosen for official status! :)

I completely agree Johnny Stew! :)

John

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Cristian
How much time did it take you to get banned, you were saying? ;)


Song of the moment - Freedom


I'm still not banned. I'm beginning to feel a little bit like North Korea: "Hey come on over and bomb me! Oh, come on! Hey, I'm still here!"

Anyway, the Meet and Greed threads are gone.

[nae]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Johnny Stew
[B]In light of recent events, I, for one, couldn't be happier that the Penguin wasn't chosen for official status! :)



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It just seems to me that the team Mick hired to do his website has come up with some bad ideas. I mean, do you really think that Mick sits around and thinks up those crazy schemes? I don't. I think the people over there think up this stuff and then they pitch it to Mick who then says yes or no.

This site is so much better than that one. I really like the Nicks Fix too. The Mick/FM sites are so commercial & I have a feeling they won't last too long after the tour is over. Besides, the only time I ever go over there is to see what you guys are so mad about.

Nae:nod:

[estranged4life]

and I saw this posted:

"You will get to see all the available Fan Block seats. _Almost all venues have this block. _It is a huge block of tickets. _The terminology for most venues is "Best 20% of Floor". _This means Club members can choose from seats front (often starting in the 5th or 6th rows) and center first, then further back. _We should have enough seats in each show to cover our membership with good and great seats. _

However - If all the Fan Club Block is purchased before you log on to Ticketmaster, you'll still be given the opportunity to purchase tickets from the General Public section BEFORE tickets go on sale to the public. _This virtually guarantees Club members get seats (and generally good ones) at the concerts of their choice."

The 5th & 6th rows? I can understand that if the first 4 rows are reserved for the promoters,contest winners, etc...But surely they wouldnt (Promoters,etc) need 4 rows??

Doesnt the last paragraph sound kinda odd? Does that mean if you signed up for the fan club and if the venue you hope to see FM at has sold all of their alotted "Fan Club Block" seats that you may have to sit with the rest of "The general public"?LOL!!!!...Brian "Glad I saved my money" J

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I have to say the line...
The whole idea is that the die-hard fans should get "special access" and the Band wants you yelling and screaming as close as you can get to them. ... did piss me off a little. Is it that you are not a die-hard fan if you don't (or can't) join the fan club?? I consider myself a die-hard fan...heck I spent a fortune getting to Vegas to see Stevie....not joining the fan club doesn't make me any less of a fan

Pip

[estranged4life]

having "fun" over "there" watching some so-called "experts" with "inside sources" in the "industry" not "have a clue" about "upcoming" concerts/tours...Must be "bad" when "someone" like me, Who isnt "termed" "a diehard fan" (Meaning I didnt join their fanclub...) gets the "scoop" on stuff...lol...Brian "!" J.

[CarneVaca]

I now have pretty good confirmation that The Knight has several screen names on the Mick board. How sad that they have to resort to that.

[estranged4life]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
I now have pretty good confirmation that The Knight has several screen names on the Mick board. How sad that they have to resort to that.

That's doesn't surprise me at all...Brian "Only one screen name used" J.

[SeventhWonder]

I love Mick's site. I go there for a good laugh now and then:laugh:

Seriously though, the stupidity of those people kills me. Also, I love to read the personal attacks that are always going on. At least that messageboard has some entertainment value.:lol:

Long Live the Ledge!

DAN

[ERigby818]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
I now have pretty good confirmation that The Knight has several screen names on the Mick board. How sad that they have to resort to that.
WOW:shocked: Creepy! He must NEVER leave his computer:laugh:....Then again he probably gets paid decent money for it. Since he's the sales man, he probably gets a commission for all those fan club memberships and stuff he pushes.
May I ask how you found this out?
-Sonia

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by ERigby818
May I ask how you found this out?
-Sonia

You may.

[SmthngOfADreamr]

Carne-

I haven't been there for weeks and I just read your nail polish thread... OMG I'm totally busting a gut right now, especially because I don't think "Lisa" gets your Simpsons references. Thanks for the laugh man.

Anyway, I totally wouldn't be surprised to find out that "Knight" uses several screen names over there. I honestly didn't think there could possibly be that many goon-ball creepy Fleetwood Mac fans lurking in the bushes this long. I mean where have they all been before the advent of Mick's site? One creepy knight with several creepy screen names would seem to make a lot more sense and offer a more suitable explanation.

[Alison]

Yep it's a big scam over there. I have asked some questions about the tours and coming to Canada. Prices for Canadain fan club members. The DVD of the making of Say you will that Mick once said they were going to release.
All I got is another way of how I can send them my money for the club if I don't have a credit card. None of my other questions were brought up. They charge the same for Canadians, but we have to pay in American funds which turns out to be double.
Over a hundred dollers is a lot for a few back stage clips.

I'm just so........

[ERigby818]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
You may.
LOL:laugh:
Well, I'm still curious if you want to share...but if you don't that's ok:D
-Sonia

[SilverGirl]

Originally posted by SmthngOfADreamr
Carne-

I haven't been there for weeks and I just read your nail polish thread... OMG I'm totally busting a gut right now

me too, I saw it this AM, that thread is SOOOO funny!!!! :laugh:
I needed it too... ;)

I also cracked up where 'Mickman' called Knight "Mr.Knighty-knight-knight" the other....night! :laugh: GO MICKMAN!! :laugh:

I keep looking/lurking for the tour info...to NO avail.... ya know, I feel like that "Twilight Zone" epi where the tiny people are being controlled by 'big' people above....???.... like 'they' just do and say things to watch the people's reactions with total amusement...

[CarneVaca]

That board won't last long. It will probably be there through the tour, but then it'll get shut down. And I wouldn't be surprised if the whole site becomes a ghost site. Let's face it, Mick is not Stevie, Lindsey or even Christine. How much interest will he be able to sustain once the excitement of the album and tour start to wane?

[celestenadia]

Just read it on Mick's Board. Too funny:laugh:

[ERigby818]

Maybe it's been that way for a while...I don't know, but I peeked again at work. Boy is it bitter over there! I guess I'm not that surprised. There is reason to be bitter and if I actually chose to post over there I'd totally be bitter...and here on the Ledge, there isn't much to be bitter about except, well, Mick and how greedy he's being via his site! I mean, look what he's doing to his fans...tearing them apart...they're torn between their love for the band and their values...something we wouldn't expect from a group of people whose music has become so personal for us. It's so sad.
I admit I was pleased to see some posters over there calling attention to the "suck-ups." Those psycho posters are really pathetic, and totally ask for it:mad:.
Hats off to SaraRhiannon for being a self-proclaimed "Rotten Apple" :thumbsup:
-Sonia