2003 Studio Album Named...............

[nodmod]

SAY YOU WILL


Below is lifted from Mick's site

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I've got lots of news for you tonight so grab your datebooks and get ready to start marking improtant events coming up REAL SOON!

Get another Mac Fix sooner than you think! The single will debut March 4th but no final decisions on the song yet!

You can hear a new Fleetwood Mac song called "Peace Keeper" on NBC's Third Watch scheduled to play on February 17th!

The ALBUM HAS BEEN NAMED!

The most interesting, most exciting, most wonderful new album in your collection this year will be named . . . . . . . "SAY YOU WILL".

I just can't express how superior the production is and how deeply "Fleetwood Mac" this album is. It is a masterful work that will both remind you of the best of the golden days and astound you with different twists and a new sound. "Say You Will" will simply knock you out!

More Soon about the fan club and advance tickets. We've listened to your comments and locked this down and I think you're going to like it!

Warm Regards!

The Knight!
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[Mac Fan]

Thanks for posting that, Neil.

[DownOnRodeo]

Thanks Neil

WOW that is big news!

I'm personally far from 'blown away', but it's not a 'bad' title either. In fact, that describes my feeling - its pretty mediocre, wouldn't you agree.

"Oh well"

:wavey:

[SmthngOfADreamr]

If they were going to take the easy way out and name the album after a track, instead of coming up with a unique name (like Rumours or Mirage), then I think it definitely should have been Peacekeeper, or even Thrown Down at the very least. Say You Will doesn't sound so interesting for a title.

[Mike B]

Thanks for posting this, Neil. :)

I have to say, I agree that the title is a bit lackluster. It took them that long to come up with "Say You Will"? I think "Peacekeeper" would have been an awesome title for the album.

Hmm...

Mike B.

[nodmod]

Now all we need are the actual tour dates and the track list.

[joe]

I don't really like the title....i always expect a one word symbolic sort of title for them...I really would have like it to be called "Peacekeeper"...i think it would have been very appropriate in these hellish times...also, didn't Stevie say in the "Behind the Music" special that she "always tried to keep the peace..."? and Lindsey wrote the song....Oh well, nothing we can do about it...not to be negative but i really haven't been blown away by anything about this project yet. I'm glad they're doing a record but i'm keeping my expectations low.

[Mac Fan]

Like some other people have said, I think Peacekeeper would have been a better title.
Sofie

[Phil]

"Say You Will" is such a generic, nondescript kind of a title... my money was definitely on "Peacekeeper" so this comes as a major disappointment. I guess the title isn't everything but it would have to be their worst to date.
To think that Stevie has been waiting all these years to have a Mac album named after one of her songs and this is the best she could manage? Maybe she just put her platform down and insisted on having the title song this time around without giving it a lot of thought - it certainly seems that way.

[NoQuestionsAskd]

Anyone else notive in "Say You Will" the lyrical reference to getting someone to "dance" ... maybe this song is supposed to represent the members coming together again via the DANCE special [which was itself working with the symbolism of the Matise painting, etc.] to put out a new album.

[brass_monkey]

What a bland, uninspiring title for an album. It reinforces my fears that there's going to be a fair bit of Tango-style rubbish on this new album. Perhaps Lindsey can pull off an heroic feat of production in order to smother Stevie's childish gibberings. :laugh:

[seteca]

I'm not impressed by that title at all. So why did it take them what seemed like an eternity to name it???

The one good thing about the title "Say You Will" is that it sounds very similar to the sort of names of most pop albums being released (by the stars of the past few years, not veterans) nowadays. Ok, good for them, I really do hope that the album is as commercially successful as it deserves to be.

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Originally posted by NoQuestionsAskd
Anyone else notive in "Say You Will" the lyrical reference to getting someone to "dance" ... maybe this song is supposed to represent the members coming together again via the DANCE special [which was itself working with the symbolism of the Matise painting, etc.] to put out a new album.

That is good point. I don't thrill over this title, however I did not like "Peacekeeper" as a title either. I did not like the title for "The Dance" at the time either. Maybe it will grow on me. Hope the CD cover is good.:laugh:

[CarneVaca]

"Say You Will" !!!????

This is the best they could have come up with? Maybe these numbskulls should go back on drugs.

[silversprings8]

Hey... maybe it will fit in well with the cover and the whole "theme" of the album. At least we have a title now! I kinda like it.... Say You Will.....

[jwd]

Once again Neil thanks for the heads up!

I might be in the minority here but I love the new title! It's about time they got away from those somewhat corny names like "Mirage", "Tusk" , and "Tango In The Night"...come on please!

If "Say You Will" is the first single from the lp then I think that in itself would be a good way to promote the album of the same name.

"Say You Will"...very simple....but HEY there is BEAUTY in simplicity!! ;) :)


Joe

[David]

Originally posted by silversprings8
Hey... maybe it will fit in well with the cover and the whole "theme" of the album. At least we have a title now! I kinda like it.... Say You Will..... And you can get some terrific anagrams out of it!

Wail, Sly You!
Lay I Yowl Us
USA Lilly Yow
Was Lily You?

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by jwd

"Say You Will"...very simple....but HEY there is BEAUTY in simplicity!! ;) :)


Joe

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Touche'

[Josh2003]

When I first read this morning that it will be called "Say You Will," i was dissappointed.

But then I got to thinking about it. If we had not known about the song "Say You Will", found out that the title of the CD is "Say You Will", would we think anythign differently of it?

I'm trying to pretend that I knew nothing of the song ahead of time, and I think that I like the title more. It has a bit of mystery, I think, although it's nothing like "Tango in the Night," which I think is one of the best album titles.

[The Chain]

I really would have liked it to be called Peacekeeper to. It just sounds like them. Anyway, when you really think about it, it's just a name, not to be rude or anything.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Originally posted by David
And you can get some terrific anagrams out of it!

Wail, Sly You!
Lay I Yowl Us
USA Lilly Yow
Was Lily You?

David you kill me :lol: But that is one way to look at it. :)

:wavey:

[FiercestCalmSea]

This is the best they could have come up with? Maybe these numbskulls should go back on drugs.


I'll second that...sheesh...but then again,as long as the music is good,i suppose it doesn't matter right...but...something catchier would have been better i think.

[Grainuaile]

Originally posted by jwd
I might be in the minority here but I love the new title! It's about time they got away from those somewhat corny names like "Mirage", "Tusk" , and "Tango In The Night"...come on please!


Joe, I like it too. :)

When I first heard it, I didn't. But the more I turn it over in my head, the more I like it. It...flows. :shrug:

[John Run]

This is no longer a fan forum, but a critic's forum. My lord you people are hard to please!! We are all welcome to our own opinion, but god lately you people don't like anything. Don't like the songs that are leaked, don't like songs on tv, don't want the same songs that you have heard for the last year through unofficial sources to be the same as the songs on the album, don't like the title, don't like how many cities they plan to play. I think many have built this thing up to be such an event of biblical proportions that nothing will satisfy this group.

I for one am glad to be getting some new material and have the opportunity to see them again live. Some songs may be a great, a few below average, and many average, but I admire the fact they have chosen to release new material, as opposed to just whoring out the past on the road as many great bands have been doing for the last few years with a complete absence of new material.

John

[Cristian]

Just how much time was spent in choosing a title and they come up with this???

I don't like it at all. It does not say anything! But then again, you're right, the music is what's important.

I might be wrong but I think this is the first Fleetwood Mac album named after a Stevie song/suggestion (Fleetwood Mac - no, Rumours - John, Tusk - Lindsey song, Mirage - wasn't it Lindsey's mum?, Tango - Lindsey song, Mask - Christine song, Dance - not sure)


Song of the moment - Woman Of A Thousand Years

[nae]

Thank you for the info:) it's good to know this thing is really coming along~ IMO, I don't care what the darn thing is named~
I want to hear the music+I'm so excited to have the chance to see/hear them live again!

N.

[rhiannon1119]

"Say You Will" would not have been my first choice for the name of the album, but I actually like it. I loved hearing the snippet of the song.. it is very catchy and I can't get it out of my head. I honestly didn't care what they named the album. I am just happy that we have new music from them and that I will finally be able to see them live on tour! I am looking forward to the new album!

:) Michelle

[Jo and Jensen]

Bravo, John Run.
You said it perfectly. :)

Love,
Jo and Jensen

[silversprings8]

Originally posted by Jo and Jensen
Bravo, John Run.
You said it perfectly. :)

Love,
Jo and Jensen



I also thought the same thing. :)

[SmthngOfADreamr]

Originally posted by John Run
I think many have built this thing up to be such an event of biblical proportions that nothing will satisfy this group.

John

I'm sure we would all agree that everybody is just happy to have them release new material, and to see them tour again blah blah blah

BUT

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I myself don't see anything wrong with having super high expectations for them as well. They SHOULD be held accountable for their songs and things even as piddly as the album title. We're talking about a critically acclaimed mega group whose life spans numerous decades, who have sold about a gazillion albums worldwide, and who have been very successful in almost everything they have ever attempted. This isn't some garage band whose fans should be content with saying "well, we're just happy to see them release a new album and it'd be great if they tour a bit too." There is no reason why anybody should have to "settle" or lower their expectations for this project. FM should be shooting for the moon, and we should not have to accept anything less.

That being said, I have to say I've tremendously enjoyed each of the songs so far that we've got to heard. But like many other people, I think I'm still waiting to be blown away, and as I stated earlier in this thread, this album title certainly didn't blow me away. I'm not sure how much that matters in the long run though, so take it for what it's worth.

[paleshadow]

Originally posted by John Run This is no longer a fan forum, but a critic's forum. My lord you people are hard to please!! We are all welcome to our own opinion, but god lately you people don't like anything. Don't like the songs that are leaked, don't like songs on tv, don't want the same songs that you have heard for the last year through unofficial sources to be the same as the songs on the album, don't like the title, don't like how many cities they plan to play. I think many have built this thing up to be such an event of biblical proportions that nothing will satisfy this group.

I for one am glad to be getting some new material and have the opportunity to see them again live. Some songs may be a great, a few below average, and many average, but I admire the fact they have chosen to release new material, as opposed to just whoring out the past on the road as many great bands have been doing for the last few years with a complete absence of new material.



John,

I agree! I was so excited just to get some news, and then so many of the posts here were such downers. Well, for you "Glass is half full" folks out there, please remember that they don't hand out Grammy awards for album titles! Sure it isn't what I would imagine they name the record, but really does it matter? They could have called it "Butt Nugget" and as long as there are some good songs on the record, I'll be happy!

[silversprings8]

Originally posted by SmthngOfADreamr
I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I myself don't see anything wrong with having super high expectations for them as well. They SHOULD be held accountable for their songs and things even as piddly as the album title. We're talking about a critically acclaimed mega group whose life spans numerous decades, who have sold about a gazillion albums worldwide, and who have been very successful in almost everything they have ever attempted. This isn't some garage band whose fans should be content with saying "well, we're just happy to see them release a new album and it'd be great if they tour a bit too." There is no reason why anybody should have to "settle" or lower their expectations for this project. FM should be shooting for the moon, and we should not have to accept anything less.


Did anyone ever think that maybe the members of FM really like this title???? It is after all THEIR album. They can name it whatever they want... I don't think anyone should be disappointed with ANY album title... I'm sure the band thought long and hard about the title, they obviously like it and think it fits the context of the album... or else they would've named it something different. If FM thought that "Peacekeeper" was the best choice for the album, then I'm sure that would've been the title. But obviously they didn't.

I think that you can't really make any judgements until you see the whole "package"...... I have faith that the title will do justice to the album content.

JMO....

[SmthngOfADreamr]

Originally posted by silversprings8
Did anyone ever think that maybe the members of FM really like this title????

Sure, but that doesn't make it any less bland of a title IMO.


I don't think anyone should be disappointed with ANY album title...

It's just a matter of personal taste. It's OK to express an opinion as to whether you like the sound of the title Peacekeeper better than Say You Will. I agree that the ultimate judgement will arrive when we hear the entire album, but until then, it's not a mortal sin to say that you don't like something (which seems to be a recurring issue here).

[wondergirl9847]

*In my best Blaine from In Living Color voice* Hated it.
*snap snap snap*

The title sucks dog chow..IMO...

Fleetwood Mac --------- Say You Will

I prefer:

Fleetwood Mac ------- Peacekeeper or

Fleetwood Mac -------- Illume


But, that's just me. :shrug:

Maybe it will grow on me....but, right now....yep, sucks dog chow. :rolleyes:

I LOVE the song Peacekeeper, haven't heard Thrown Down, and I haven't heard enough of Say You Will to like or not like it yet.

I am however EXCITED ENOUGH TO PEE ON MYSELF concerning the TOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAY...my birthday is May 2nd and all I ask for are TICKETS and money to buy programs, tee-shirts, keychains, the FRICKIN WORKS!! :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Considering some of the demos and songs that we've heard so far, I've been thinking what a pity it is that they've already used 'The Dance' as a title.
It seems that would have been very fitting for this collection.

As an album title, 'Peacekeeper' was ok... but I always felt it might give off the wrong vibe as far as what kind of music would be contained within.

My initial reaction is that 'Say You Will' comes off a bit blandly as an album title, but... again... considering some of the music we've heard so far, I get the impression there's a theme to the album, and apparently Fleetwood Mac felt that 'Say You Will' best represented that theme.

I'm sure it will grow on us in time... and if it doesn't, then call it whatever you want.
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter... it's the music inside that counts.
(Of course, I'm waiting for all the grumbles about that too.)


You know, as I sit here and think about it, the new title is already growing on me.
:)



Johnny Stew

[wondergirl9847]

I forgot to elaborate on something...

I agree that we've hyped this album up BIG TIME and psyched ourselves out SO much that we were prepared to be BLOWN AWAY/KNOCKED OUT/AWED/AMAZED, etc...by the album title, songs, and OMG, wait till we see the cover!!!! GASP!! Do ya'll think it will be that pic we've all seen? That pic goes with the album title...blah. :laugh:

The more I think about it, it's silly (yet FUN!!) to sit here and DISSECT everything, the album title, the picture, the songs, the news, etc...LOL

I'm just gonna go with the flow...not get mad about the dumb title, ENJOY THE CRAP outta this album/tour and live it up...for it may be the last from FM....I pray not tho. :(

One MORE thing: THANK GOD that the members of FM don't look like corpses like some OTHER rock bands do...I'm not mentioning any names....;)

[iamstevienicks]

Is having a bad title really the end of the world

Surely its the 18 tracks on the CD we and the general public will be buying the CD for???

I mean, I love the new Mariah album, but the title is the worst album title ever ;)

[BlueGrass]

Say You Will...what? What does it mean? I prefer 'Peacekeeper'.

[Nightbird_Brett]

John Run,
I could not have said it better myself. I have been trying to figure out a word to call what this forum has become and that is exactly it---a critic's forum! And I'm sure I'll get alot of stones thrown at me for this, but I say we get rid of the critics and turn this into a fan forum again. I have nothing against people saying they would have preferred another title or think it's a little bland, but the people that are having hissy fits over it are being absolutely rediculous!!! I cannot remember any album in the history of the music industry being ruined because of the title of it. I totally agree with you---let's be glad that our favorite band is still making music and giving us an extremely long tour! I can usually restrain myself from these negative threads, but I just can't take it anymore! :confused: :eek: :mad: :(

So once, again...good for you John Run!!!

[Nicks Fan]

I agree totally that the forum has become too negative lately. I mean come on lets just be happy that the band is still alive and kicking and making new albums. We need to savour this moment and not dwell on what we may or may not like about the new album.

Ps. I think the albums title is lousy. But that's just my oppinion :)

[Mike B]

I think I've found the longer I'm a fan of Fleetwood Mac, the more critical I've become. And that's not a bad thing - <i>they're</i> the ones who raised the bar for me. <i>They're</i> the ones who get me to hope for the best that they can offer. So whenever <i>I'm</i> criticizing them - whether it's the choice of songs they play live, their inactivity for <i>years</i> at a time or the name of their album - it's because I <i>expect</i> more and <i>want</i> more out of them. It doesn't mean I like the music any less. I <i>love</i> Thrown Down and Peacekeeper and can't wait to hear the rest. But I'm not excited about this title.

I think my problem with the title is that Rumours, Mirage, and Tango In The Night are dramatic and mysterious...they conjure images that I associate with the band. Say You Will? I guess there could be some mystery to it. But it doesn't ring "Fleetwood Mac" to me.

As for people complaining about the complainers ;) - if you want a board like that, head over to Mick's. It's chock full of praise and no controversy!

Mike B.

[ricohv]

Hey NICKSFAN- I love that your post is about savoring the new album and not being negative about it and then your p.s. says: I think the album title is lousy. How "ironical" (taken from the Stevie Nicks Book of Adjectives).
I'm actually a Nicksfan, too and wonder if they decided in their democratic way that everyone had a song/album title except Stevie and (suspecting this might be their swansong album) to be fair, picked the best Stevie song title from the project that somehow fit the vibe of this project. It would be fair, huh?
The name Peacekeeper -like it or not- certainly does pack more of a punch and sticks with you longer, but does have certain political innuendo that maybe they want to avoid. I mean-they really have never been known for being a "political" band. Just because they played at the White House doesn't mean they wrote the song for Bill (or that the song even had the meaning he gave it!)
*Ricoh*

[SmthngOfADreamr]

OK one more post on this topic and I'm done. I'm not sure why some people consider that in a fan forum, you cannot be critical of an artist's work. That is a rediculous notion to me. Otherwise it's as if you are just sitting there in mindless adoration, not thinking for yourself, just accepting whatever is handed to you and ingesting it. That's not the kind of person I am and that's not the kind of fan I am either. There is nothing wrong with being critical about Fleetwood Mac - as fans we should be able to take the bad along with the good. And if someone finds something that they consdier bad, they should not have to stifle themselves just because this is a forum full of fans. As fans, I would think that we should appreciate each other's opinions, both good and bad. Also, I really don't think that anyone overreacted to the album title - it's perfectly acceptable to say that you prefer something else.

[DownOnRodeo]

Yes, in a choice of extremes I would much rather be part of the Critics Forum than the Crawling Sycophant's Forum (http://www.mickfleetwood.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl).
How weird is it that..... everyone over there....seems to....write..... with lots of....dots and ellipses.

[Cristian]

Originally posted by SmthngOfADreamr
And if someone finds something that they consdier bad, they should not have to stifle themselves just because this is a forum full of fans.Amen. More than a fan forum this is a "discussion forum" meant for fans. There is a small difference between the two concepts. If the discussion is lost and we're agreeing in everything then there's no point to the board at all. Just my humble opinion.


Song of the moment - When The Sun Goes Down

[seteca]

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
Yes, in a choice of extremes I would much rather be part of the Critics Forum than the Crawling Sycophant's Forum (http://www.mickfleetwood.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl).
How weird is it that..... everyone over there....seems to....write..... with lots of....dots and ellipses.

ROTFLMAO!!! :laugh: :laugh:

Yes, it's like everyone there is permanently overdosed on antidepressants or something!

You know in these dictator-ruled countries you get those crowds of people who permanently follow the dictator around shouting his name and cheering "hoorah" no matter what he says or does....well....

;)

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[saradorna]

Originally posted by John Run
This is no longer a fan forum, but a critic's forum. My lord you people are hard to please!! We are all welcome to our own opinion, but god lately you people don't like anything. Don't like the songs that are leaked, don't like songs on tv, don't want the same songs that you have heard for the last year through unofficial sources to be the same as the songs on the album, don't like the title, don't like how many cities they plan to play. I think many have built this thing up to be such an event of biblical proportions that nothing will satisfy this group.

I for one am glad to be getting some new material and have the opportunity to see them again live. Some songs may be a great, a few below average, and many average, but I admire the fact they have chosen to release new material, as opposed to just whoring out the past on the road as many great bands have been doing for the last few years with a complete absence of new material.

John

People would you please at least be happy with the fact that there is going to be new FM music coming up. I've noticed the same thing that John its writing about. Lets just be more positive from now on...

Isabel

[saradorna]

Originally posted by Mike B
I think I've found the longer I'm a fan of Fleetwood Mac, the more critical I've become. And that's not a bad thing - <i>they're</i> the ones who raised the bar for me.

Sure we expect great things from them and sometimes those expectations aren't met. But theres no need for people to feel ofended or like Nightbird_Brett wrote "hissy fits" about this.

Originally posted by Mike B
As for people complaining about the complainers ;) - if you want a board like that, head over to Mick's. It's chock full of praise and no controversy!

Well, maybe you never have gone there but its just the same as here. Actually most of you go there.

Isabel

[Josh2003]

Originally posted by BlueGrass
Say You Will...what? What does it mean?

I think the cooler titles are the ones that have a little mystery to them.

Pretend that you're an average fan who hasn't heard any of the info about the new album and you hear that it will be called "Say You Will"...I'm sure it might spark a little curiousity, because, while it is a little bland, I think it's original for an album title.

I find I've warmed up to it considerably since this morning.

[Johnny Stew]

Every side of this argument is right... and this is one of those grey areas in life that I find so fascinating.

The seemingly endless criticisms can get tiring after awhile... and yet, I enjoy the fact that we're all able to debate and discuss until we're blue in the face, if we wish.

I think we were all hoping to be blown away by the title, after having waited so long... and we all had our ideas of what it should be called.
But it is what it is, and no amount of complaining will change it.

We'll all just have to get used to it (and that includes me, as I'm not knocked out by it either).

At any rate, we should look at it this way....
at least they didn't call it 'Udder Sucker'!!! :laugh:
(A joke for the "old school" fans)



Johnny Stew

[Sorcerer386]

Random points:

1. I think it's absolutely, repulsively ridiculous to hold the talent of Fleetwood Mac on the bar of what their album's title will be. Further...

2. I think possibly they just got tired of debating an album title. I mean, the entire album is done and has a release date, but no title?

3. It's not bad to be a little critical on discussion boards, but the criticism has FLOODED the board. Whoever said it was right...all we (and I'll include myself) seem to be doing is dissecting every little point almost grudgingly -- for example the use of Say You Will in a commercial. Who knows, maybe Fox asked Fleetwood Mac to use it in the commercial. Why would you say no?

[chiliD]

I can see both sides of this "fan vs. critic" argument, but c'mon folks, if you're a fan of a band that makes you feel like you're being USED or CONNED for BEING a fan, I think a dump-truck load of criticism is warranted.

As far as the "bar of expectation" being high...well, "f-ing A" right it is. Not counting 35 years of great music already given us, we've been led along like sheep for nearly the past decade (or it FEELS that long, anyway) awaiting Lindsey's "Gift Of Screws", read "insider" reports that Lindsey's new material is "the best he's ever done", Mick feeds us things like "a whole new sound", etc, etc, etc. I'm tired of eating the crap they're feeding me. I want to hear the stuff and judge for myself. I've NEVER been "disappointed" enough that I'll ever stop being a fan of Fleetwood Mac, but the way they've gone about making me FEEL about being a fan has really pissed me off.

And, as I think about it, in the past 8 or 9 years since I started posting to various on-line Fleetwood Mac boards/newsgroups, etc, I find my criticism of the band has increased 100 fold. :nod: I think I've hit on the "why that is"

I think it is a situation that "ok, we're all here BECAUSE we're Fleetwood Mac fans"...I assume we can take that for granted, right? Ok, considering that as "the given", I'm not going to sit here and type inane "everything Fleetwood Mac does is wonderful" posts...the ol' "preaching to the choir" BS. The DAY the new Say You Will album comes out, I'll have it in my collection, I'll be listening to it 10-20 times a day for the first few weeks. I'll pick out my likes & dislikes with a fine-toothed comb. I'll post my thoughts here and elsewhere, knowing that a majority of us have heard the songs and will be able to relate to, but I definitely do not assume being agreed with, what I post. That's actually kind of refreshing, in the big picture. But, put me in the REAL world, up against some less than marginal "Fleetwood Mac listener" (as opposed to "fan") who dares to criticize the band and I'll eat 'em for lunch..."how DARE you criticize them when you know absolutely NOTHING about them and won't even consider yourself a fan". By being here, there's a comfort level of understanding that allows us to criticize the band, fawn over the band, enjoy AND dislike all the many facets of the band and still be a part of a tight knit community. Sure, I know I've ruffled feathers here on a number of occasions, and vice versa; but, it is the fact that our view of this band is on such a microscopic level (by that I mean that we take every bit of info, music, etc, and examine it down to its sub-atomic parts), that we sometimes lose track that by just BEING here show our "fandom" in all its glory.

(Can I get an "AMEN, brother"?) :laugh:

(Uh, chiliD, will you get back on TOPIC??!?!?!?)

uhhh...yeah...sure....

So, the album title is Say You Will, eh?? It doesn't light my fire, but at least we don't have to MAKE UP a name for it like we have had to with Dog & Dustbin & the white album :)

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
At least they didn't call it "Uddersucker"

HEY!! Nothing wrong with recycling!!! :) Clapton did for HIS latest! One More Car, One More Rider was the original title for his album that eventually released as August...it was an 11th hour name change. In his Rolling Stone magazine interview article that preceded the album's release by a week, the title was reported as OMC,OMR...but, in the meantime, his son Conor was born and Eric retitled the album.

[Johnny Stew]

AMEN, brother!!!!!!!!!!!


And you know, chili... While I LOVE the debates, I've also been someone who has, at times, asked why we need to complain so much around here. I love Fleetwood Mac's music more than any other band out there... so while there have been things that I might have been disappointed about, or songs that didn't blow me away... I tend to not dwell on those things, simply because i don't think it accomplishes anything.
So I sometimes tire of all the criticisms.

I think other people feel that way too.
It's like, "ok, we *know* they're not perfect, but why do we have to go on and on about it?"

But.... your post just really opened my eyes in a way none other has.
I guess it really comes down to the old feeling that one can complain about something they love, because the fact that they DO love it is considered a "gimme" to them... but if anyone else has something unkind to say, they're going to get an earful.

Which also explains why various fans so often rush to defend Lindsey and Stevie, in particular, around here.
"Hey, I love that song... how DARE you say something bad about it!?!"


At any rate, I think the recent debates and conversations and apologies and explanations, have been extremely productive around here.
Maybe we're beginning to understand where everyone is coming from a little better... as corny as that may sound.

Now bring on the new music!!! :)



Johnny Stew

[ricohv]

Well, I for one will give an "Amen Brother" to ChilliD and Johnny Stew!
Although I don't have the time to write many lengthy posts,in my mind I'd wrote a million before I ever had a computer or knew there was such a thing as the Ledge. Except my "points" had no "counterpoints". If I was defending FM or Stevie to an average radio listener (or even a fan that was maybe lacking the fervor of a Ledgie) I didn't hear their "counterpoint" because, well, why should I? What do they know...foolish mortals!
But here I read some heated debates by people who take this band SERIOUSLY. I've learned a ton about the Mac (and I thought I knew everything), I've been greatly entertained by many of the threads and have never been offended by any post here.
In a prior post somewhere I wrote (and I re-iterate): The way we dissect Fleetwood Mac and debate the merits of its individual members in 2003, means : WE ARE ALL FREAKS!
So the Ledge is actually a support group, we should love our brother and sister Ledgies, and respect what everyone says, good or bad.
P.S. If Mick Fleetwood really understood our level of devotion (and knew the amount of money I and probably everyone else here has shoveled in his pocket, he'd make us all fan club charter members at no charge! Anyone for a petition? *just kidding*
*Ricoh*

[saradorna]

I agreed with what has been said, I can see why some people are not happy. I dont mind arguments, actually its human nature to have them.

My problem was this:

Its just that we waited so long and finally they say the tittle of the album and all I felt was excited and happy that we're closer to the tour dates. See, I didnt care about the name of the album it just meant to me that with almost there. (Hope I make sense with this.)

And then...

I come here, most of you are complaining about this darn tittle. To me that was a shocking thing, so I decide to post about it.

You guys know that I dont post as regularly than most of you and especially if it is an argument, not because I didnt want to, but because it only is going to make it worst. God knows that sometimes I wanted to, believe me if you ask my friends they will tell you that I am all about arguing) lol :laugh:

Ummm... "udder sucker" LMAO

Isabel:wavey:

[Mike B]

Sure we expect great things from them and sometimes those expectations aren't met. But theres no need for people to feel ofended or like Nightbird_Brett wrote "hissy fits" about this.

Agreed. And there's no reason for anyone to be offended by the fact that many of us don't like the title and express that here. ;)

Well, maybe you never have gone there but its just the same as here. Actually most of you go there.

Oh, I've been there. And I don't find it <i>anything remotely </i> like The Ledge. :)

Hey, ChiliD - I give you another "Amen!"

Mike B.

[CarneVaca]

Amen, Brother Chili [bowing respectfully with hands in the air]!!!

First off, the album title sucks.

Second, I find it more annoying that some folks keep complaining about the arguments on this board than the arguments themselves. Discussions, by their very nature, will lead to arguments. So let's just accept that. If you don't want to jump in, don't.

Now, I'm going to go write a song called "Heat seekers vs. Peacekeepers."

At ease.

[Vianna]

Glad to know what it is, anyway.

I don't really like it but then I don't have to either=:-)

[Bella Figura]

kudos to chilid, he is totally right, perfectly said. I personally think we're great fans...we're devoted, knowledgeable and we talk in great depth and detail about our favorite band. so we fight a bit, at least people aren't boring around here!!!

btw...i love to write in...just a punctuation lover!! but I don't consider myself a sychophant of course if I met FM in real life then I'd be all you're great and I love you's...:laugh:

as far as the title, eh!!

Warning: All sensitive FM fans...be prepared for the brewhaha which will occur when the album cover and publicity shots come out!! :wavey:

[jwd]

I think I really liked FM choosing "Say You Will" for the title not just because of the words themselves but because of the meaning behind them..in the context of Fleetwood Mac with Lindsey and Stevie working together on a studio album for the first time since TITN..a plea from Stevie asking Lindsey, and the rest of the band for that matter to do this(record, tour) one more time..."give me one more chance"....."if I ask you to dance". That's what came to my mind when I heard this phrase. How appropriate after all these years.

"Say You Will" such an open ended term..... Asking someone to do something willingly and freely because it means so much. "Say You Will" 'marry me' , 'die for me', 'stay with me' etc etc etc.

It's all about freedom and choice... and that 's about as political as I'd like Fleetwood Mac to be. "Peacekeeper" as someone so aptly stated has too much political innuendo in this day and age...and that's the LAST thing I want FM to become...POLITICAL.


Joe

[Mike B]

Originally posted by jwd


It's all about freedom and choice... and that 's about as political as I'd like Fleetwood Mac to be. "Peacekeeper" as someone so aptly stated has too much political innuendo in this day and age...and that's the LAST thing I want FM to become...POLITICAL.



Yeah, after mulling it over, I think the Peacekeeper title - while powerful - would take on <i>too much</i> meaning right now. If this hadn't been released in such turbulant times, I don't think it would even be considered an issue. But yep, it's a bit much now for a band that primarily deals with matters of the heart, not of politics. I think part of the delay in naming the thing might have been that the band was seriously considering this as a title and backed off in light of everything that is going on. And if so, I think they made the right choice.

(I have to admit Say You Will is growing on me...)

Mike B.

[BlueGrass]

Originally posted by jwd
I think I really liked FM choosing "Say You Will" for the title not just because of the words themselves but because of the meaning behind them..in the context of Fleetwood Mac with Lindsey and Stevie working together on a studio album for the first time since TITN..a plea from Stevie asking Lindsey, and the rest of the band for that matter to do this(record, tour) one more time..."give me one more chance"....."if I ask you to dance". That's what came to my mind when I heard this phrase. How appropriate after all these years.

"Say You Will" such an open ended term..... Asking someone to do something willingly and freely because it means so much. "Say You Will" 'marry me' , 'die for me', 'stay with me' etc etc etc.

It's all about freedom and choice... and that 's about as political as I'd like Fleetwood Mac to be. "Peacekeeper" as someone so aptly stated has too much political innuendo in this day and age...and that's the LAST thing I want FM to become...POLITICAL.


Joe


Great interpretation.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by jwd
"Say You Will" (is) such an open ended term..... Asking someone to do something willingly and freely because it means so much. "Say You Will" 'marry me' , 'die for me', 'stay with me' etc etc etc.

It's all about freedom and choice... Aw, doggone it, Joe! You've gone and made me start liking 'Say You Will' as the title! :p



Johnny Stew

[Skylark]

UGHHHHHH!!!! Thrown Down would
have been better! Stevie has lots of
solo work so why would she Beg for
a FM album? Doesn't make sense!:eek:

DANCING AGAIN would fit her wanting
to dance theme...very "female" title!:rolleyes:
One More Chance...would fit them all!Sky :)

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Skylark
One More Chance...would fit them all!Sky :)

Actually, that is pretty good. And it would have made sense. "Say You Will" forces you to wonder: Say you will what? Most people will just shrug and assume the band mererly picked a song after which to name the album and it's no big deal. So if they were reaching for some kind of meaning with this title, it will fall flat with most buyers.

And I must respectfully disagree with who said "Peacekeeper" would be too political. The argument that it would be quite a left turn for Fleetwood Mac, and therefore fraught with risks, is a very valid argument. But:

--What's so wrong with making a strong statement for peace at a time when an ill-advised war with far-reaching geopolitical and environmental repercussions is about to start? Hear me now and believe me later, folks: If this war lasts four, five weeks, we'll be back to unbridled consumerism in no time. Otherwise, you can assuredly expect that more and more recording artists will be taking it on. (Warning: I'm about to digress. Skip to ** if you don't want to embark on this detour.) On another thread, there has been some discussion of label money grubbing and the ethics of downloading songs. Prediction: If the war situation gets worse, which it well could (don't think this is going to stop at Iraq, folks) the musical artists who will make a difference will have to find alternative ways to do so, because the labels, at least initially, will frown on overtly anti-war stuff. And this could really be the catalyst for Internet music distribution.

**--I wonder if the title "Peacekeeper," if indeed it was considered seriously by the band, was derailed by the label rather than the band members themselves. After all, Stevie and Lindsey have shown the occasional willingness to get into political stuff. (Even "Desert Angel" could be considered a political song.) So they might have thought "Peacekeeper" was a good choice.

Frankly, the selection of "Say You Will" looks like a marketing decision to me. As with just about everything else we've seen so far regarding this release -- whoring the songs to TV promos; picking a Stevie song as the first single, which I believe is a first; the paring down of the double set to one disc.

That's all for me now. Gotta work. Peace to all. ;)

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
And I must respectfully disagree with who said "Peacekeeper" would be too political. The argument that it would be quite a left turn for Fleetwood Mac, and therefore fraught with risks, is a very valid argument.

Honestly, unless Lindsey changes the lyrics somewhat, "Peacekeeper" could actually be interpreted to be PRO-military action - as in "peacekeeping force" - keeping the peace by fighting Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein.

Now since Lindsey is Mr. Democrat, I'm quite sure that's not what he means - especially since he wrote the song before all this started! But I am wondering if he's going to try to clarify that.

[ricohv]

Well, I think I was the first to say Peacekeeper was too political for FM. That's not to say I think it's a bad title. I think it grabs you more, packs more of a punch, is more in continuity w/ other FM album titles....but is too political for them-not for me. They are not about politics.
I don't think they have ever wanted to be. That's just not them. And if it was all about marketing, well good. I hope whoever is marketing this makes the right decisions. And old band minus a key member might strike gold or might fall flat. Todays radio is probably more fickle than it was in 97 for the Dance. At least for the Dance it was all the key memebrs of the most famous line-up singing mostly familiar songs-and it had the promo of being a highly touted "reunion". Risky, but probably not half as much as this new album.
So market away-I hope it works as planned. Of course I'd still probably love the material if it flopped-but I'd rather see them smeared all over the place and in the top 10 of charts, etc etc. !!

[ERigby818]

Hmmm...
I prefer album titles that aren't song titles...Rumours, Mirage, The Dance.

"Say You Will" is a good song title, though I haven't heard enough of the song yet to decide what to make of it. It's not as strong a song/album title as Tango In The Night, that's for sure. I would have much rather they picked a title that wasn't a song.

I'll give ChiliD an Amen.:nod: I haven't offered much heated debate to the Ledge, but I must say, I LOVE it :thumbsup:as long as it's respectful (and I think everyone who's posted in this thread has been).

The Mac is all about passion;) and I love the passion everyone here has for the Mac, and I agree with everything said here about the band setting and raising the bar, spoiling us if you will, creating some discriminating taste in music, style and even album titles. Bella, as always, you said it so well.

-Sonia

[jwd]

Yeah, after mulling it over, I think the Peacekeeper title - while powerful - would take on too much meaning right now. If this hadn't been released in such turbulant times, I don't think it would even be considered an issue. But yep, it's a bit much now for a band that primarily deals with matters of the heart, not of politics.

Agreed Mike....a band that deals with matters of the heart not of politics!



Thank you Bluegrass for the kind words.



Aw, doggone it, Joe! You've gone and made me start liking 'Say You Will' as the title!

Well Brian it's the least I could do...after all that's what IT IS GOING TO BE :p .........I LOVE YOU MAN! :)



Stevie has lots of
solo work so why would she Beg for
a FM album? Doesn't make sense!

True Stevie does have lots of solo work and good for her. I really don't think she'd BEG but I'd like to think of it as an appeal. But more importantly than that it is the SENTIMENT behind the lines written in Say You Will that makes perfect sense to me...Stevie's always loved being in FM..is it so unbelievable that she'd like to give this one more go?!


Oh and I forgot to give chiliD an amen.....AMEN BROTHER!


Joe

[Sorcerer386]

Originally posted by jwd
True Stevie does have lots of solo work and good for her. I really don't think she'd BEG but I'd like to think of it as an appeal. But more importantly than that it is the SENTIMENT behind the lines written in Say You Will that makes perfect sense to me...Stevie's always loved being in FM..is it so unbelievable that she'd like to give this one more go?!

Not only has Stevie loved being in FM, she's said that she PREFERS to be with the band. While she loves her solo career, she says it gets a little lonesome.