Fleetwood Mac concert on cable

[Vianna]

They are talking about this Fleetwood Mac concert that is going to be shown on cable tv. Supposedly this is not the Dance show again, but something new. Anybody know anything about this?

[jmn3]

Last week (before Thanksgiving) I caught the end of a commercial for a Mac concert on one of the Cable Local Access Channels...and it looked like they were going to show the Mirage concert video. I caught a very small piece of the commercial and it was toward the end of GYOW from that show. I set my VCR as it was supposed to be on 11/30 at 8PM or something, but while I was away for the holida, the power went out! Stupid crappy power...

[Mac Fan]

Is this being shown the UK as well?

[Vianna]

I don't know. Go to Mick's site and look in Mick's chat, there's a topic about it. http://www.mickfleetwood.com

[CarneVaca]

I made the mistake of following that Mick Fleetwood link and made myself sick. Mick's self-promotion annoys the crap out of me. In his news and events section, the site said Guitar Center "honored" him. What a crock. They put up an interview with him on their site. That's almost as good as the "artist of the millenium" award Michael Jackson received at the Grammies.

[seteca]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
...That's almost as good as the "artist of the millenium" award Michael Jackson received at the Grammies...

loll! Yes, that was quite funny...what exactly happened again? Britney said something like "The award goes to MY artist of the millenium"....and then he came on stage and said "If I knew that I would one day be standing here receiving the artist of the millenium award..."......lol......!!

Poor guy, I really feel sorry for him. The most tragic case of "career going down the toilet" of all time....:(

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[Janet]

I just saw the commercial tonight!!! So maybe they are showing it again! How exciting! I almost died when I saw Mirage Lindsey on tv!:)

[goldustboi]

Originally posted by seteca
loll! Yes, that was quite funny...what exactly happened again? Britney said something like "The award goes to MY artist of the millenium"....and then he came on stage and said "If I knew that I would one day be standing here receiving the artist of the millenium award..."......lol......!!

Poor guy, I really feel sorry for him. The most tragic case of "career going down the toilet" of all time....:(

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Hmmm. dont u just hate it when people get things so hideously WRONG about your fave bands and artists? As well as being a huge FM fan, I'm an even bigger MJ fan, the incident at the MTV awards (no, not the Grammys) wasn't a mistake, he was referring to the artist of the millenium award he received about a month earlier at the World Music Awards.

I'm not about to start speaking badly of FM here coz i'm a huge fan, but they are no more popular than MJ, so u can hardly say his career is "going down the toilet".

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by goldustboi
Hmmm. dont u just hate it when people get things so hideously WRONG about your fave bands and artists? As well as being a huge FM fan, I'm an even bigger MJ fan, the incident at the MTV awards (no, not the Grammys) wasn't a mistake, he was referring to the artist of the millenium award he received about a month earlier at the World Music Awards.

WHATT!!!????

Surely you're joking. Where did you get that information? It has been well documented that he grabbed the so-called trophy in the back, walked on stage and pretended to have received the so-called trophy as an artist-of-the-millenium award.

Look, spin is spin. And we get bombarded with it from all corners these days. So the last thing we need is more of it here. The guy is a freakin' subhuman flake who is so uncomfortable in his own skin that he has to keep bleaching it. Have you ever wonder why he has to bleach his skin? Could it have anything to do with wanting to wash it off of all the accusations of child molestation? [And I say "accusations" for legal reasons] He is an affront to good taste and decency, and the corporate f**cks who still put him in front of cameras for public consumption should be prosecuted and hanged upside down from fourth-story windows.

What, you probably also think that when he dangled his baby from the fourth-floor (or was it sixth?) it didn't really happen? Did we misinterpret that too?

[goldustboi]

and of course, Stevie Nicks is a witch who casts spells on people is she?
u obviously haven't got a mind of your own if the entire content of ur brain is fed by tabloid newspapers.
And anyway, what has THAT got to do with the quality of his music? coz thats what I was talking about.if you are so caught up in what goes on in his private life then that makes me wonder how boring and uneventful your life must be.

Basically, I'm a fan of MJ coz of his quality of music and to be honest, he can have as much plastic surgery as he wants, that doesnt change the fact that he's extremely talented.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by goldustboi
u obviously haven't got a mind of your own if the entire content of ur brain is fed by tabloid newspapers.
And anyway, what has THAT got to do with the quality of his music? coz thats what I was talking about.if you are so caught up in what goes on in his private life then that makes me wonder how boring and uneventful your life must be.

Basically, I'm a fan of MJ coz of his quality of music and to be honest, he can have as much plastic surgery as he wants, that doesnt change the fact that he's extremely talented.

I have enough of a mind to know when somebody is talking utter nonsense. I don't even go near tabloid newspapers, but that's neither here nor there. I could tell you more about how news is gathered and disseminated than you could ever hope to know in a lifetime. The reports of this tremendous faux pas came from varied enough sources for an independent thinker with a keen analytical sense to know that it was indeed a stupid stunt that your freaky idol was trying to pull.

Look, you are welcome to waste your time with whatever ****ty music you want to clutter your mind with. That's your business, and I don't discuss musical tastes. But if you're going to come here and try to distort the truth or rewrite history, expect to be called on it. I couldn't possibly care less about Michael Jackson and his demented life style. But when behavior transcends from merely bizarre to criminal and life threatening (dangling a child from a balcony), then that is an insult to us all. He can do whatever he wants with his freaky self, but when he is on camera endangering the lives of children and allegedly molesting them, that should offend us all. Because that is an injury to the human community as a whole.

[sulamith]

Ummmmm..........
Don't you just love the smell of newbies being raked over the coals?
;)

Carry on, Carne!

[madformac]

Originally posted by CarneVaca

I couldn't possibly care less about Michael Jackson and his demented life style. But when behavior transcends from merely bizarre to criminal and life threatening (dangling a child from a balcony), then that is an insult to us all. He can do whatever he wants with his freaky self, but when he is on camera endangering the lives of children and allegedly molesting them, that should offend us all. Because that is an injury to the human community as a whole.

Hey CV, I really wish one day you would just tell us what you really mean! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I do, as usual agree with you though.

...And may I add that anybody that reads the nonsense in the tabloids, do you REALLY know who has the final say in what you read? You may be surprised.

...And

Michael Jackson's outward appearance seems to be a result of what is going on inside. I wouldn't like to be inside his head. :confused: My Little Demon to say the least!

That's enough for me.
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[Janet]

Look, it doesn't matter what Micheal Jackson looks like and it doesn't matter what his career is doing.

I totally lost the tiny percentage of respect I may have had for him when he dangled the baby over the balcony.

He's lost his mind. I feel pity for him but I also feel his children need to be taken away from him until his mental health is healed or at least proven OK.

[seteca]

Originally posted by goldustboi
Hmmm. dont u just hate it when people get things so hideously WRONG about your fave bands and artists? As well as being a huge FM fan, I'm an even bigger MJ fan, the incident at the MTV awards (no, not the Grammys) wasn't a mistake, he was referring to the artist of the millenium award he received about a month earlier at the World Music Awards.

I'm not about to start speaking badly of FM here coz i'm a huge fan, but they are no more popular than MJ, so u can hardly say his career is "going down the toilet".

Goldustboi,

I didn't mean to offend you (or any MJ fan) in any way. Regarding the "artist of the millenium" award, I stated what I read, yes, in tabloids, but also in broadsheets, MTV news, the main channel news, websites, and radio. You obviously heard a different story from a different source.

And I distinctly remember him coming on stage and saying "If I knew that I would be here TONIGHT receiving the arist of the millenium award...". I'm not sure how that could be interpreted in other ways, but maybe it can.

Additionally, between the years of 1987 and 1994/5, I could have sworn that I was one of the biggest Michael Jackson fans in the world..."Bad" is my third favourite album of all time, and "Thriller" is in my top ten. I knew "Moonwalker" probably by heart, scene by scene, frame by frame....that's how much I loved watching it. I stood in line at Wembley Stadium for 16 hours on a very hot summers day in 1993 to watch him during the Dangerous tour. I still think that he is one of the greatest talents the world has ever seen, and will ever see.

HOWEVER, in my very humble opinion, the man has gradually over the past decade totally lost his mind. He has had accusations of child abuse brought against him, he has destroyed his face to the extent where he no longer looks human and public performances are literally scary to watch, he gave into greed and made the worst mistake of his life in turning against Sony...an insane battle which he could never have won: the result...his massively anticipated album, "Invincible", may as well have been named "Unlistenable" - the first single sounded like a demo from "Dangerous", and the video looked like "Smooth Criminal" gone wrong. The rest of the songs were, in one word, boring. They were of the quality that one would expect from somebody on "Pop Idol"...they went nowhere, and all sounded like material he had previously released between "Off The Wall" and "Dangerous". The same artist set the BENCHMARK and FRONT LINE OF MUSICAL ORIGINALITY when he released OTW, Thriller, Bad, and Dangerous. The album's chart positions imply that I am not the only one who holds such an opinion.

So, I will say it again, but this time insert the words "relatively speaking", his career has gone down the toilet.

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[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by madformac
Hey CV, I really wish one day you would just tell us what you ...And may I add that anybody that reads the nonsense in the tabloids, do you REALLY know who has the final say in what you read? You may be surprised.


Damn good point. I wish I'd made it.

And with that, I must :] :]

[goldustboi]

"Look, you are welcome to waste your time with whatever ****ty music you want to clutter your mind with."

Coming from a supposed 'fan', thats possibly one of the most closed minded things I've ever heard anyone say. If you are such a fan of FM and are as passionate about them as you like to make out, then u should at least try to appreciate that other people may also have a passion for other kinds of music. I'm sure if you heard somebody describe Rumours as "****ty music", you'd be the first to jump to its defence.

And for the record, if you knew what u were talking about, you would know that absolutely no incriminating evidence was found against MJ regarding the child molestation accusations, anything you might've heard would've been made up, presumably by tabloid newspapers - oh, but u dont read them, do you?

[goldustboi]

PS. Hi seteca, dont mean to sound like i'm havin a dig at you, I can see from what you've said that you have got an fair and objective view on MJ, and you obviously have much more of an idea of what your talking about. I much prefer listening to people who have a mind of their own.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by goldustboi
Coming from a supposed 'fan', thats possibly one of the most closed minded things I've ever heard anyone say. If you are such a fan of FM and are as passionate about them as you like to make out, then u should at least try to appreciate that other people may also have a passion for other kinds of music. I'm sure if you heard somebody describe Rumours as "****ty music", you'd be the first to jump to its defence.

I don't believe my status as a fan of Fleetwood Mac is in question here. Everything you've written so far directed at me is replete with assumptions, and may I add, rather disrespectful, which leads me to believe you're one of those persons who don't like to be confused with the facts. How big a Fleetwood Mac fan I am is not for you to judge or decide. If someone wants to call Rumours "****ty music," I couldn't possibly care less. I am way past caring what other people think about my taste in music. When you're young and inexperienced, you want everybody to agree with you that this band or that band is great because you like it. Then you (should) reach a point when you realize that it simply doesn't matter if you're the one single fan of a particular band you like. Does the music speak to you? Does it make you feel good? Give you energy? Make you sad? Angry? As long as you get what you are seeking in the music, enjoy it.

Arguing musical tastes is a slippery slope, and one that I am not about to slide down. While I made a reference to "****ty music," I didn't specifically qualify Michael Jackson's music as ****ty or brilliant or whatever. You inferred that from what I wrote. I suggest you read closer and absorb the meaning of a sentence before you burden your keyboard with misguided missives. My comments have centered around his questionable, even criminal, behavior. It seems to me we have reached a point at which we close our eyes to way too much objectionable behavior, especially among celebrities. He is the poster boy for what's wrong with the celebrity culture.

And for the record, if you knew what u were talking about, you would know that absolutely no incriminating evidence was found against MJ regarding the child molestation accusations, anything you might've heard would've been made up, presumably by tabloid newspapers - oh, but u dont read them, do you?

There you go again being disrespectful. How do you expect to ever learn something when you don't take the time to really understand what somebody is telling you before embarking on a msiguided counterargument? I simply don't care whether you believe if I read tabloids. Whatever weight you place on the veracity of my statements will not make me lose sleep. If you want to believe that your demented idol is a sane person who ought to be perceived as a role model, you are free to believe whatever you wish. However, you can deny it a million times, but it will not change the fact that he is a psychotic patched-up vestige of a human being who has placed children's lives in danger. To be sure, he was never found guilty of molestation, but the huge settlement meant go gag his accusers speaks volumes. Anyone with a sense of honor and a clear conscience would have faced his/her accuser in court to clear his/her name.

Lastly, don't you find it ironic that people who back their arguments with phrases such as "if you knew what you were talking about..." tend to me the most misinformed?

[goldustboi]

Your comments bemuse me. your entire post is littered with irony and contradictions. Firstly, you say I assume things? Well, your "lead to believe" that im somebody who gets confused by the facts? and you assume that i'm young and inexperienced? and that i want everyone to agree with me? I'm not the one who writes lines and lines of opiniated drivel in a desperate attempt to get my message across.

You're trying so hard to convince urself that you couldn't care less about MJ, when so far uv had more to say about him than even me. You're apparent hatred of this man whom you've never even met obviously stems from his "criminal behaviour" - but its ok for YOUR idol (and mine) to snort so much cocaine that her nose caved in?

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by goldustboi
Your comments bemuse me. your entire post is littered with irony and contradictions. Firstly, you say I assume things? Well, your "lead to believe" that im somebody who gets confused by the facts? and you assume that i'm young and inexperienced? and that i want everyone to agree with me? I'm not the one who writes lines and lines of opiniated drivel in a desperate attempt to get my message across.

You're trying so hard to convince urself that you couldn't care less about MJ, when so far uv had more to say about him than even me. You're apparent hatred of this man whom you've never even met obviously stems from his "criminal behaviour" - but its ok for YOUR idol (and mine) to snort so much cocaine that her nose caved in?

Bemuse!?

There you go making assumptions again. I've never revealed on this board, much less to you, who my idols are. I think it is possible to like a band without idolizing people who don't deserve to be idolized.

Interestingly you conveniently ignored the reference to the dangling baby. Does this mean you consider that acceptable behavior?

If you think I've contradicted myself, all I can say is read it again. Or just drop it and move on. That's OK too.

[goldustboi]

The 'dangling baby' incident was a moment of complete stupidity, i'm not gonna deny that, but that doesnt warrant the label 'psychotic' and it certainly doesn't change the fact that he's unbelievably talented.

You're obviously running out of arguments as you've now resorted to nit-picking - I used the word 'idol' to make it clear who I was referring to.

[CarneVaca]

Golddustboi, let's clear up this dust-up.

You like Michael Jackson's music. Good for you. I think you should listen to whatever makes you feel good. Honestly.

I don't like Michael Jackson's music. I won't listen to it.

I won't debate his talent or lack thereof because it simply doesn't matter to me.

I will continue to criticize his abhorrent behavior because that is my right. I dislike celebrities who hog the limelight, especially those unravel in front of the cameras. (Incidentally there is a new thread on Chit Chat about Michael Jackson that you should check out.)

I will continue to believe he did some fishy stuff involving kids. I will continue to despise him for it.

You will continue to believe he's a good guy who got a bad rap.

Since neither of us is going to change our minds, let's agree to disagree.

[goldustboi]

ok

ps. whats Chit Chat?

[seteca]

Originally posted by goldustboi
ok

ps. whats Chit Chat?

The Chit Chat Forum of The Ledge...use the dropdown menu to go there.

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