"Murrow" a single? [Archive]

Rainman

10-25-2002, 11:56 PM

Okay, I'm going to make some assumptions here, and I hope at least a few Ledgies will work with me on this.

First let's assume "Murrow" makes it onto the new album. Next, let's assume that people actually "get" what Lindsey's saying in this song (which was the subject of a spirited thread here a few months ago).

Now, I admit this would require that listeners have some knowledge of history, current events, the media, government subterfuge and just an awareness that all is not what it seems in SUV-Land (North America). Sort of a Sixties fantasy. But I'm willing to give the CD-buying and radio-listening public the benefit of the doubt.

I've been enjoying the song tonight, and some things have come to me. For one, it's really a catchy tune with some nifty and even in-your-face guitar. Second, despite the fact that it was written years ago, it's incredibly timely considering the events of the past year or so. Third, in my opinion it represents a real "coming of age" for Lindsey--it's one of his more (if not most) political songs, outside the realm of the self-absorbed subject matters of love gained, love lost, depression, angst and so on.

Could this possibly be a successful and even powerful single from the new album? Or am I dreaming?

I'd love to hear some other opinions on this. Anyone care to take a shot?

nodmod

10-26-2002, 05:43 AM

Well some posters reckon that Murrow will be Peacekeeper on the new album.

And we have also heard that Peacekeeper will be the first track released to radio!!

Of course there is no confirmation of this.............just rumours

DownOnRodeo

10-26-2002, 07:28 AM

Murrow's searing lyrics are only less powerful then the searing outro.

That guitar scorches!!!!!:nod:

First single though - seems kinds strange. I think (pff as if I know!) we'll find that if Murrow is Peacekeeper, the new song will be done a little differently?? More radio-friendly?

Otherwise I'd prefer Hit & Run (Shuffle Riff), the peerles Down On Rodeo, or Thrown Down ... of the songs I know. Like Murrow, Come might be a bit hard for first single as to throw off old skool Mac listeners.;)

joe

10-26-2002, 09:55 AM

can someone hook me up with this "Murrow"/"Peacekeeper"???

Please help! ;)

BlueGrass

10-26-2002, 10:00 AM

I dunno if "Murrow" is a good choice for first single. I think the first single should be something a little more smoother, to capture listeners into buying the album. Also, the first single should be one where both Stevie & Linfsey chare vocals.

Mari

10-26-2002, 10:20 AM

Hit & Run?? what? where? who, how?? is that the Kingston trio song you're talking about? make this girl happy:)

David

10-26-2002, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by nodmod
Well some posters reckon that Murrow will be Peacekeeper on the new album.
Those are two different songs.

I keep having nightmares that the Fleetwood Mac singles will sound as blandly machine-tooled & big-business-calculated as the Santana/Michelle Branch song (I'm not sure I've ever heard a song with a guitar god with quite so many edges smoothed out or so many bumps flattened into palatability). The first single should be a weird one, like "Tusk." The music climate out there is pretty weird. What radio listeners couldn't quite understand or stomach 20 years ago they could definitely stomach today. I doubt that the Mac album contains anything as weird as recent stuff from No Doubt or Snot or System of a Down.

IMO!!!!!

Rainman

10-26-2002, 10:41 AM

Hey, Nodmod--I hadn't heard the Murrow/Peacekeeper rumor. That would be cool. And so timely.

Now, I don't know if Murrow (or whatever it will be) should be the FIRST single. As DownonRodeo suggested, Murrow might be off-putting to long-time Mac fans that haven't kept up with Lindsey's latest stuff.

Also, as Bluegrass noted (and I really agree), the first single should be one where Stevie and Lindsey share vocals. But who's to say the new arrangement doesn't do this?

Anyway, good comments everyone.

As for Joe wanting a copy of Murrow, drop me a note through the personal messaging. Perhaps I can get it to you.

celestenadia

10-26-2002, 11:42 AM

I am still convinced that David is Lindsey!:laugh:

seteca

10-26-2002, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Rainman
...Third, in my opinion it represents a real "coming of age" for Lindsey--it's one of his more (if not most) political songs, outside the realm of the self-absorbed subject matters of love gained, love lost, depression, angst and so on.....

Absolutely agree with you there. How many Mac songs are there which aren't in some form or another about "love"?

I can't think of ANY off the top of my head.......this would be a great change.

I really hope it makes it onto the album, but I think for it to be released as a single it's gonna need some changes...I'm not sure what though.

Also, your point about most people not understanding the song is unfortunately very true.....we live in a world dominated by sheep.....oh well.

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

wondergirl9847

10-26-2002, 11:56 AM

Baaaaa :laugh:

I love Murrow, it's wierd, quirky and unique...like...ME! LOL It DOES need to be cleaned up because it's hard to understand some of the lyrics. The solo kicks BOOT-AY tho!! :thumbsup:

I would DIE if Red Rover were on the album too because it's tied with Come for fave GOS song...and with some cleaning up, it too could be added to my list of FAVE FM/LINDSEY songs!! Not that it isn't already, I just mean, for real...since it's just a demo I have...LOL

DownOnRodeo

10-27-2002, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by David

Those are two different songs.

Come on David - what do you know that we don't??? Pleease? lol:wavey:

Yeah after relistening to Murrow a few times I can hear it musically as a single, especially if reworked somewhat.

I recently had a thought that Down On Rodeo could be the opening track of the album?? ;) :confused:

BlueGrass

10-27-2002, 09:34 AM

"Down On Rodeo" as an album opener sounds interesting. "Twist of Fate" would definitley be a good album ender though.

sodascouts

10-27-2002, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo

Come on David - what do you know that we don't??? Pleease? lol:wavey:

Yeah after relistening to Murrow a few times I can hear it musically as a single, especially if reworked somewhat.

Well, I personally am not "in the know" but I think it'd be a pretty safe bet that "Murrow" is not "Peacekeeper." First off, Murrow has nothing to do with keeping peace. Unless that's an ironic title, but I think that's a real stretch. So much so, in fact, I'm wondering how that rumor even got started.

It's more likely that Lindsey's song from the footage where he talks about "healing the wounds" is "Peacekeeper" - however, it's just as likely (perhaps more so) that we haven't heard "Peacekeeper" at all. Regardless, it's pretty safe to say that it's NOT "Murrow."

Heck, "Murrow" might not even be on the album at all for all we know, much less the first single! Again, I'm not some music biz expert, but I know enough to know that "Murrow" as the first single would be a bad idea. It's too different. I mean, there's clips of news programs buried in there and it starts off with his voice all eerie sounding. It doesn't really get rocking until the chorus (in my opinion).

Of course, being a lover of "I'm So Afraid," the take off on it that's the ending guitar solo appeals to me, but I think I heard somewhere that really long guitar endings aren't good for singles. Now, don't get me wrong, I like it well enough. However, it wouldn't be what I'd highlight to sell an album.

Johnny Stew

10-27-2002, 03:38 PM

To hopefully clear up some confusion...
to the best of my knowledge, "Peacekeeper" has circulated amongst Reprise execs (and undoubtedly amongst a few lucky fans, as well), on a sampler CD, and is definitely not an alternate title to, or even a re-working of, "Murrow."
It's a completely different song.

Before anyone asks, I haven't heard it. :(

Johnny Stew

seteca

10-27-2002, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
To hopefully clear up some confusion...
to the best of my knowledge, "Peacekeeper" has circulated amongst Reprise execs (and undoubtedly amongst a few lucky fans, as well), on a sampler CD, and is definitely not an alternate title to, or even a re-working of, "Murrow."
It's a completely different song.

Before anyone asks, I haven't heard it. :(

Johnny Stew

Thanks for that Johnny....the less GOS songs on the new album, the better: I want to have as much LB material as possible out of this "GOS+new album" project(s).

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

Rainman

10-27-2002, 04:05 PM

Thanks for clearing things up Johnny Stew. I'd never even heard of Peacekeeper. And Murrow's lyrics don't lend themselves to a peacekeeping theme, that's for sure.

Vianna

10-27-2002, 05:18 PM

Stevie says it's hard to sing or something to that effect-is that "Peacekeeper?"

As to GOS songs on new album-Somebody's Gotta Change Your Mind, Deep Dense, Say Goodbye are the ones I am hoping are on there..I like Murrow, but I wonder how it would go over with the general public???

CarneVaca

10-28-2002, 09:34 AM

"Murrow" is an excellent song with the kind of frantic urgency that Lindsey used with great effect on some of the "Go Insane" tracks. I love it and I only wish Lindsey had gotten political much earlier. We especially need these views to get aired now, considering how absolutely crazy the state of politics has become. (Check out Steve Earle's new album, "Jerusalem," for more of this.)

Having said this, I believe that "Murrow" would be a poor choice of first single. One of the prettier songs would make sense. I am thinking of "Down on Rodeo" or "The Singer Not the Song." I doubt "The Singer Not the Song" will make the album, however. As for other pretty songs like "Say Goodbye," I just don't see today's radio audience taking to that, certainly not as a first single.

Most likely the first single will be a Stevie Nicks song. She will have lead vocals with Lindsey in the background. This will be purely a business decision. The label execs know the public is better acquainted with Stevie's voice, and as we can see from these boards, she is the most popular member of the band. Remember what happened with "The Dance." The label would rather release two old songs to radio, "Silver Springs" and "Landslide" than one of the new songs. That "Bleed to Love Her" wasn't a single still bugs me to no end.

Lastly, don't be surprised if the first single contains guest vocals from, say, Sheryl Crow or Natalie Maines. It's just the kind of thing the label might force on the band at a time like this.

Rainman

10-28-2002, 09:56 AM

Those are pretty good thoughts, Carnevaca. I hadn't considered the Stevie element, and I suspect you're right.

That's okay by me--whatever it takes to get the job done.

And I totally agree that we need powerful political voices in the arts now more than any time since the Sixties. Where are all the gutsy performers? Am I missing something? Seems that most of the music is still so self-absorbed. "The Last DJ" by Petty was a nice dig at the music business and perhaps even the dumbing down of media. But it didn't pack much of a political punch, IMO. And in fact its supposed "controversial" nature tells me we're not very controversial anymore. Ah, maybe I'm living in the past.

Actually, this might make a good thread . . . where's all the politically-charged music? It must be out there somewhere!

By the way, I hadn't dreamed that Murrow might ever be the first single for the album. I was just thinking it might make a single.

joe

10-28-2002, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Lastly, don't be surprised if the first single contains guest vocals from, say, Sheryl Crow or Natalie Maines. It's just the kind of thing the label might force on the band at a time like this.

I would NOT like this if that happens. FM does NOT need guest vocalists/musicians. And...Sheryl needs to stay away. Don't get me wrong, i LOVE Sheryl and everything she's brought to music the past several years. I've got most of her records and am glad she helped Stevie out but that's it. I don't even really like the idea of "extra" musicians on stage with them. I only accepted Ray Lindsey doing extra guitar live with them back in the older days. It just makes it harder to hear the actual band...especially with the vocals. I can understand now they'll need extra vocalists live since Christine is gone.

Sorry to go off on a tangent!!! Guess i could post a new thread with that idea! ;)

Johnny Stew

10-28-2002, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by CarneVaca
That "Bleed to Love Her" wasn't a single still bugs me to no end.I agree wholeheartedly.
"Bleed To Love Her" is definitely one of Lindsey's best songs, and best performances. It most definitely should have been a single.

I'm assuming it must have been written for Kristin. And I know that a lot of fans have speculated that it must have been difficult for her to watch Lindsey and Stevie interacting with each other, night after night, on the 'Dance' tour, but gosh... if someone writes you a love song as beautiful as "Bleed To Love Her," you definitely have no worries!
:)

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Lastly, don't be surprised if the first single contains guest vocals from, say, Sheryl Crow or Natalie Maines. It's just the kind of thing the label might force on the band at a time like this. I'm hoping all parties concerned are wise enough to leave the guest singers to Carlos Santana, and to keep our Mac album nice and pure.
Sure, they've had a couple of guest musicians over the years... Waddy Wachtel on "Sugar Daddy"... Isaac Asanté on "Freedom"... and a few others here and there, on earlier recordings... but here's to hoping they'd never enlist the aid of a guest vocalist on one of their releases.

Johnny Stew

sulamith

10-28-2002, 04:44 PM

If he wrote "Bleed to Love Her" for Kristen, I bet she didn't like it when he dedicated that song to Stevie in a couple of shows. He did dedicate it to Kristen in one of the last shows.

I don't think that song is about any one woman in particular. He said he wrote it at the crossroads of a couple of different relationships. It probably has a line or two that could apply to each of the different women in his life.