Rollingstone.com

[golddustchic]

OMG!! I was just at Rollingstone.com, and there was an article about Faith Hill being #1 on the charts for this week.

And they mentioned other debuts...



Fleetwood Mac debuted at...#12!!

Here's the link to the article:
www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=16917

[Karen]

Wow! It also says that 65,000 copies have already been sold. That's a great debut! :D

[estranged4life]

or has Faith Hill started to look like Britney "What's Talent???" Spears???

At least the VBOFM is doing alright sales wise..."Death To SoundScan" Brian J.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Only number #12?

I would have thought it would have been a lot higher. It was totally sold out of every Target store in the Providence area on Saturday. I got mine on Tuesday the 15th. My friend waited till Saturday and they were all gone. We went to Barnes and Noble and they did not have it displayed with the new releases. We went to Wal-Mart in Attleboro and they had no clue whatsoever. Not one to be found and they could not even tell me if they had any in stock.

There were a lot of other people looking for the CD too. I really was hoping for a top ten debut.

[wondergirl9847]

I think #12 is pretty dang good for a GREATEST HITS collection from FM!! I mean, #7 in the UK is WOOHOO-inducing, but the UK is smaller than the US...there are more acts here to compete with and stuff. #12 = AWESOME!! :thumbsup:

I just hope that the new album debuts at #1!!!!!!!! :blob1::blob2:

[John Run]

12 is an absolutely phenomenal debut. You need to understand this a double album of all previously released material from a group that is not current by music standards. 1997 is a long time ago in the music world. It is a greatest hits package and double album. This is an extremly high debut for such a release. Remember the UK is a single disc. Probably the record company has a break even point of 75,000-100,000 copies depending on marketing costs. They, I am sure are thrilled and this far exceeds their expectations. Such a debut will only encourage them to put their full force behind their new release.

[seteca]

I'm still gobsmacked at the #7 debut it got over here.....!
Hardly any promotion, and a pretty pathetic job of a tracklist and no enhanced features..........it must have been a miracle!

Way to go for getting #12 in the U.S. though...not bad at all...!:cool:

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[blackwidower]

pluss we all must keepinmind that the average american consumer is all about the exterior not about a musicians actuall talent and Fm doing this well is awesome considering so little promotion I would watch Vh1 like every free minuate I had and I have yet to see the add. wow im so siked good things are yet to come and Im sure VBO will only go up in sales/chart possition the dance hit number #1 5 yrs ago and TISL peaked at #5 a year at a half ago so I think this should at least crack the top 10 in the weeks to come possibly the top 5. lets hope in terms of success things are "all the same....." sorry imm listing to Rhiannon from the live album as im wrighting this

[wetcamelfood]

Originally posted by golddustchic
Faith Hill being #1 on the charts for this week.

Well, at least we can look at it this way, Bekka is on 12 of 14 songs from Faith's new album "Cry" so we can say that there is an album with a FM member on it that is at number one right now anyways! :)

John

[Lee]

that Target sold out. That was a very good price last week at $14.88. Target is where I got mine, & I'm usually a loyal K-Mart shopper. (Sorry K-Mart!)

Wal-Mart had it for $24.88 when I checked it out. I couldn't believe that. $10 cheaper at Target!

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprise if this Very Best Of FM went to #1 eventually. I think FM can take on Faith Hill.

Lee :)

[John Run]

Look-the 12 pos is great. It is delusional to think that it is going to go higher than that. The only time an album by an established artist goes up the charts after its initial release is if there is a signigicant 2nd single or long radio life to album. That won't happen with this album. Its performance is great enjoy the level of sucess it has acheived. I am sure Reprise/WB and the band are....

[wetcamelfood]

I can't speak for anyone else but I personally don't even care how well the VBO album does on the charts. I was mainly just letting people know that Bekka was on Faith's album (since it came to mind while someone mentioned her album here) and I have gone in to more detail about her recent appearances with Faith on TV in the "Post rumours" forum for anyone interested.

I do agree with you that I don't think it will "do much now" in the charts as I think it only charted as highly as it has so far due to the original deluge of fans that ran out to get it the day it was released as naturally such an influx would cause some sort of chart placing and I know that Warner/Reprise/Rhino (whoever!) are thinking more for the "stocking stuffer" crowd and it may stick around on the lower regions of the charts for that reason but will most likely decline after this week.

As I say, I don't really care about "what sells more" and what is a "success" etc. and I will probably get flamed for saying this and I honestly don't mean it in a bad way against Stevie or anything OK? (end of disclaimer) BUT the same thing seemed to happen around TISL when that came out as many fans seemed to think of TISL as a "success because it charted at number (whatever) on the charts". What I think many need to realize is that the same thing happened with TISL as what will most likely happen with the new FM record when it is released next year. It charts originally due to the large sales they get the first week and THEN it drops off the charts so in the end the final sales FIGURES are not that large on an overall basis. Yes, they go platinum but the "gold and platinum" set up is very outdated now due to higher population (therfore more sales regardless...) etc. and in the grand scheme of things "a million copies" is not really that much compared to what it was years ago. Here's an example, from what I understand "Behind the mask" sold roughly 800,000 copies in the US and 2 million woldwide and topped the UK album charts and made number 18 in the US (no doubt in the very beginning) but BTM for the most part is deemed by fans as a commercial "failure", if we go by the "success=chart placing+gold/platinum status" theory, then BTM should be thought of as a "success", so why is it different for any other album? I really don't think much attention should be paid to what the chart placings are, as fans, we like the music and this is the most important thing, an album can still be good if it "doesn't sell". By all means, you should all do what you think is right for you but I just think these kinds of things should be taken in to account before deciding whether an album is a "success" or not and where "importance levels" should be placed on "sales levels". Of course nobody here WANTS to see FM fail but it certainly doesn't "ruin" anything for me if these things aren't a "success". I'm still able to get and hear the music so I'm happy whether anyone else buys a copy of it or not. I love TISL and I'm sure I will love the music on the new FM too when it comes out but I'm not going to even think about "whether it is a success" or not when it comes out and I have no allusions that TISL was (or that the new album will be...) a "hit" as I'm sure it was not really (and that the new FM will probably not be a "success"), figures can be twisted and things can get extrapalated in to what we want to see them to be just as politicians have their spin doctors word their speeches, find stats that "help their cause" etc. but I personally don't give myself false ideas about the success rates of albums. "Making the charts" is one thing, but an album with "staying power" in the charts ("Rumours" is the perfect exanple with it's number one FOR 31 (almost consectutive) WEEKS in the US) is the REAL commercial "success". JMHO though.

I'm glad many of you find tracking the album in the different charts a fun thing to do though, I guess I'm just getting too old too quickly or something! OK that's the end of the ramble, thanks for enduring it and please do know that I'm not "getting" at anybody or anything, I'd just like to think this may have helped someone somewhere as a different view to take on board. See ya round! :)

John

[John Run]

John, I agree with a good deal of what you siad. It does seem that many find it far too important for their favorite group to be everyonelse's as well. My point was a debut like this is far above expectations and it will not chart much higher. The last FM double album "live" opened at 14 and went Gold. By comparison "greatest hits" never charted in the top 40 but is the second biggest US seller for Fleetwood Mac with over 8 million units sold.

[wetcamelfood]

Yeah, I agree John Run, I didn't mean YOU were doing this "the album is a success because it charted at (whatever number) on the charts and went gold/platinum" stuff and it may not even be many people on the ledge but I have heard some FM/Stevie fans say these kinds of things somewhere and I would hope they would consider the points we mentioned when considering if it really MATTERS where "(such and such) charts" and "who else/how many others buys it" and so on. :)

John

[Karen]

Originally posted by wetcamelfood
Of course nobody here WANTS to see FM fail but it certainly doesn't "ruin" anything for me if these things aren't a "success". I'm still able to get and hear the music so I'm happy whether anyone else buys a copy of it or not. I love TISL and I'm sure I will love the music on the new FM too when it comes out but I'm not going to even think about "whether it is a success" or not when it comes out and I have no allusions that TISL was (or that the new album will be...) a "hit" as I'm sure it was not really (and that the new FM will probably not be a "success"), figures can be twisted and things can get extrapalated in to what we want to see them to be just as politicians have their spin doctors word their speeches, find stats that "help their cause" etc. but I personally don't give myself false ideas about the success rates of albums. "Making the charts" is one thing, but an album with "staying power" in the charts ("Rumours" is the perfect exanple with it's number one FOR 31 (almost consectutive) WEEKS in the US) is the REAL commercial "success". JMHO though.


John-

I totally agree, and I do think that most people feel the same way as you do. There's no true measurement for success. You can sell millions of albums (like all those boy bands), but does that equal success? Will they be around as long as Fleetwood Mac? It doesn't matter how many albums are sold. "Respect" is a much better measurement, IMO.

-Karen

[Sorcerer386]

from what I understand "Behind the mask" sold roughly 800,000 copies in the US and 2 million woldwide and topped the UK album charts and made number 18 in the US (no doubt in the very beginning) but BTM for the most part is deemed by fans as a commercial "failure"

I think the reason why BTM was considered a commercial failure is because of the reputation Fleetwood Mac had already had. Each album went at least double platinum just in the U.S. alone, so BTM only going gold would be a failure (same reasoning of Tusk after Rumours being considered a commercial failure). When you sell a lot and then an album comes out that doesn't sell as much, it's considered a failure. But it all comes down to expectations, no sales figures. TISL was not ever expected I don't think to crack the top 20, much less debut there and stay there for three or four weeks.

By comparison "greatest hits" never charted in the top 40 but is the second biggest US seller for Fleetwood Mac with over 8 million units sold.

Actually, I'm almost positive Greatest Hits peaked at #14. I don't know if that was it's debut or not.

Now, as far as worrying about where albums chart, it's not that (at least for me) I really care where they chart. I'm not going to say, this album didn't chart well, so I don't like it. Otherwise, I'd never listen to Street Angel. It's just the excitement of seeing your favorite band, especially one that has been around as long as FM, doing well. I'm sure the members of FM have to care a little bit about where their albums chart, and so if it does well, they are happy, so I am happy. I'm happy FOR them.

[marc402]

Originally posted by wetcamelfood


Well, at least we can look at it this way, Bekka is on 12 of 14 songs from Faith's new album "Cry" so we can say that there is an album with a FM member on it that is at number one right now anyways! :)

John

WHAT? YOU DON'T SAY !!!
oh my god i had no idea bekka was on this (well have to get it then (don't worry i have already bought both version of tbofm)
I've listened to cry in the store and did not hear bekka (not that i was listening for it ) gonna check it out again tomorrow
thanx for bringing it to my atention!!

[wetcamelfood]

It figures, but the song "Cry" is one of the 2 songs on the "Cry" album that Bekka is NOT on. The other is called "You're still here". The REST of the songs on the "Cry" album Bekka IS on! She also co-wrote 2 songs "One" & "Unsaveable". I hope that helps. :)

Sorcerer386 - I'm glad you still get the "excitement buzz" for the "doing well" thing. It must be an age thing that makes it wear off or something (although as you say (and you're probably right that...), I'm sure Mick and some of the other FM members care about "success rates" too)! :)

John

[John Run]

Greatest Hits never charted in the US. It charted twice in the UK-#3 in 1988 and #38 in 1994. Its 8 million sold figure is a number acheived without any Billboard Top 40 entries. It did however make a long standing run on the Billboard catalog charts which are for albums that are 2-years old that have fallen below No. 100 on The Billboard 200 or reissues of older albums. Bob Seger's greatest hits and Dark Side of the Moon have taken up permanent residence here...

The entire point to this discussion for me is that Fleetwood Mac is one of the most successful bands of all time. Many, many incarnations and 35 years later the band is still relevant enough to make it into the top 15 on the charts. However, even if they were not, that does change the huge body of work this band has compiled, much of it of a high quality and some of it even innovative. That is something that a bunch of 15 year olds choosing to buy their albums or not choosing to buy Fleetwood Mac albums can never change or take away. The body of work is impressive and they are still a viable band making new music that all of us who are fans can look forward too.

[wetcamelfood]

Originally posted by Sorcerer386
I think the reason why BTM was considered a commercial failure is because of the reputation Fleetwood Mac had already had. Each album went at least double platinum just in the U.S. alone, so BTM only going gold would be a failure (same reasoning of Tusk after Rumours being considered a commercial failure). When you sell a lot and then an album comes out that doesn't sell as much, it's considered a failure. But it all comes down to expectations, no sales figures. TISL was not ever expected I don't think to crack the top 20, much less debut there and stay there for three or four weeks.

I'm sure you're right as to why BTM was considered a "failure" by the MUSIC BIZ people but my BTM example was more to ask as to why do those particular FM FANS I was referring to consider BTM a "failure" (for those that are going by the "success=chart placing+gold/platinum status" thing) as if they are going by this theory, then BTM should be consider a "hit" BY THOSE FANS but it isn't (or doesn't seem to be) for some reason.

Also, I can see why TISL made the top 20 for a couple of weeks in the sense that since Stevie is obviously considered the most popular member of FM, then naturally she is going to have the biggest "initial sales influx" (I had talked about last time) out of all the FM memebrs as say, if one of the other FM members was to release a solo album it would not sell as many and stay on for a few weeks (like you were saying, who knows why it apparently didn't happen with SA though!) coupled with the facts of TISL containing "new" material as oppossed to say, the FM VBO album which doesn't have any truly new material (as remixes do not class as new material in many fans books and therefore they will not be buying this time around etc.) so hence the more sales with such an album as TISL (and no doubt the same "chart/sales activity will happen with the new FM album next year for the same reasons but most likely will NOT "do more" than that), as well as the fact that it was well publicized regarding the "big name" guest appearances on the album (Crow, Gray, Mclachlan so therefore their diehards would run out to pick up a copy as well due to thier respective appearances on the album as well) and LB fans were going to pick it up as well due to his appearance on the album as well. This same "big name guest appeareance marketing move" was used on "Timespace" with the appearances of Poison's Brett Michaels (as they were apparently bigger back in thr early 90's then they are (or seem to be) now) and Jon Bon Jovi) though it's hard to tell if "Timespace" fared as well as TISL did in this fashion. Nevertheless, this would explain the 3rd & 4th weeks on the chart. I'm not saying this is "fact" or anything but it's simply JMHO as to the "reasons" behind the sales of TISL (going by what you had said which I'm sure you are correct on as to TISL being in the top 20 for 4 weeks). I guess I just don't want to see "those kinds of fans" be disappointed if the new album doesn't "do well" or whatever, it's just these kinds of things I would hope some of them would consider if they do see this. :) As I say, I'm glad you are happy for their success etc. but I personally have no allusions that the sales of yesteryear will return for FM because it will not happen unless the "music biz people" decide down the road sometime that FM is considered "hip & happening" again (in which case they would get behind them) which I doubt very much will be the case. Here's hoping it will be though someday! :)

John

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by John Run
Greatest Hits never charted in the US.Sorcerer386 was correct when he said that 'Greatest Hits' peaked at #14 on Billboard's album charts. :)


Johnny Stew