Am I halucinating??

[blackwidower]

I Just downlaoded GDW from the Behind the Mask Tour from the manchester show now am I hearing right when she says "...take your silver springs and sig your grave"? I cant tell if she actually said that or if im just so tired at the moment that I cant hear correctly

[BellaDonnaGypsy]

I think she did say that... I remember reading it somewhere.

Laura.

[sulamith]

I think it was supposed to be dig at Mick at the time for not letting her have the song for Time Space. She wanted it for that collection and Mick said no, and she was angry at him.

In the long run, as fate would have it, it is just as well he didn't because then it wouldn't have had the impact it did during the Dance.

[Sorcerer386]

Yes, I have this song downloaded too. I downloaded it because the file name was "Gold Dust Woman [Live wSilver Springs 8-25-90 Manchester, England" and I was like, huh?!? So I downloaded it and heard, "take your silver springs..." and just thought, oh, she must have been drugged out again on Klonopin and forgot what the Hell she was doing. Now that you guys have mentioned it, maybe it was a crack at Mick. But the answer to the question is no, you are not hallucinating.

[David]

Stevie Nicks sang the line that way at a lot of the shows that year. She did that at the shows I saw in June in Sacramento, San Jose & Concord, & it's on many of the tapes. I'm not positive, but I don't think her appeal to Mick Fleetwood to use "Silver Springs" for her own album had occurred yet at that point; I think that whole fallout was the following year, in 1991. I saw Fleetwood play Oakland at that next-to-final date in December, in 1990, but I can't remember that line in "Gold Dust Woman." But that's on video, so anybody can check it out.

Stevie, to me, always seems to have played around with words in her live performances, & although I often enjoyed the effect, I never ascribed much import to it, outside of its just being interesting to me. There are a million examples of it we could all think of.

I sort of equate Stevie's habit of doing that with the use of Smilies. I listen to it -- or glance at it -- & move on.

[nodmod]

Originally posted by David
I saw Fleetwood play Oakland at that next-to-final date in December, in 1990, but I can't remember that line in "Gold Dust Woman." But that's on video, so anybody can check it out.


David, did you see the last BTM concert at The Forum?
Don't suppose an MP3 of GYOW exists?

[David]

Originally posted by nodmod
David, did you see the last BTM concert at The Forum?
Don't suppose an MP3 of GYOW exists?
The last show was taped, & it's floating around somewhere. I may have it in some stash, but I doubt it because I was bored with the group by that time. I'll check around for it & get back to you, Neil.

You know that Lindsey Buckingham guest-appeared in Oakland & L.A., right? It wasn't just the L.A. show. He did exactly the same thing in both towns on both nights. Even wore the same shirt & slacks. Essentially, your video of December 6 in Oakland is totally indicative of how it played out on December 7 in Los Angeles.

[nodmod]

Originally posted by David
You know that Lindsey Buckingham guest-appeared in Oakland & L.A., right? It wasn't just the L.A. show. He did exactly the same thing in both towns on both nights. Even wore the same shirt & slacks. Essentially, your video of December 6 in Oakland is totally indicative of how it played out on December 7 in Los Angeles.

So a video of the second to last show is also in circulation, where can this be sourced from?

Still searching for Everybody Hurts where LB joined REM, no luck yet :distress:

Thanks David for your input :nod:

[David]

Originally posted by nodmod
So a video of the second to last show is also in circulation, where can this be sourced from?

I looked around & found this person with a video copy of it:

www.angelfire.com/pa2/crystalstorm/stevievids.html

[macfan 57]

I have a video that is labeled Oakland 1990. However, it is really the last show in Los Angeles. Christine in the beginning says Hello, Los Angeles and near the end of the tape when they introduce the rest of the band, an extra keyboard player is introduced as being from right here in Inglewood. So the show I have on tape is from the Forum in Inglewood(the last show of the BTM tour.) I'm not sure there there is actually an Oakland show circulating, even though there is one circulating that is labeled Oakland 1990.

Also, the only song that is on the tape which includes Lindsey is Landslide. The tape stops after Stand Back. Go Your Own Way is not on the tape. The last 5 songs from the show are missing from the tape. By the way, it's a great version of Landslide and the crowd went crazy when Lindsey came out with Stevie. Chris also played keyboards on Landslide, too.

[jmn3]

I'm sure somewhere there is an MP3 of that GYOW. I would *LOVE* to hear it, and have been searching for years. But no luck!

[Sorcerer386]

Speaking of things from Behind the Mask tour, I'd still like to hear Sara from the New Jersey show if anyone can help me out. I'll make it worth your while ;)

[David]

Originally posted by Sorcerer386
Speaking of things from Behind the Mask tour, I'd still like to hear Sara from the New Jersey show if anyone can help me out.

Wouldn't that be neat to hear the "Sara" that everybody talks about but no one has actually heard? I wonder what really went down that night in November at the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City.

If there was a "Sara" in New Jersey -- legend has it that it was the opening song -- it would be one of the strangest surprises Fleetwood Mac ever pulled. That 1990 version of Fleetwood, especially, was so predictable, plowing through essentially the same set night after night in the same way for all those months of that long tour. Shows opened with "Say You Love Me" during the early months of the tour, & with "In the Back of My Mind" & "The Chain" as a medley during the later months.

A Mac fan named George ([email protected]) posted the following to Usenet in 1999:

"I was at the Taj for that show & they opened, to the best of my recollection, with In The Back Of My Mind where the stage rose with the canvas masks on it. I don't remember Sara being played that night at all."

Interesting ...

Until a recording of "Sara" surfaces from that night's concert (November 16, 1990), I'm going to risk being called a crank & continue to believe that the song was not performed that night or any other night on that tour, & that the belief that it was played is nothing but an urban myth among us fans -- like the story that Billy Burnette sang an entire performance of "Rhiannon" somewhere on that tour.

(fyi -- Fleetwood did play "Sara" in Europe in the spring of '88, which finished off the touring for "Tango in the Night.")

[jmn3]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by David
[B]
-- like the story that Billy Burnette sang an entire performance of "Rhiannon" somewhere on that tour.
QUOTE]

LOL....I can't even begin to imagine that one!

Back to Sara, yes, it seems to me quite odd that they would suddenly open the show with a different song, and Sara, nonetheless. For the most part, hasn't almost every FM tour since the Rumours tour been rather predictable set-list wise? I've never heard much of them just throwing in random songs here and there. Like you said, they basically plow through the same set list night after night. Well, there was that one performance of Eyes of the World at the beginning of teh Dance tour...

[Rumours]

Ok, so now I have a tape labeled Oakland 1990.....Lindsey is there.......I swear it's from the right place.....and from what I can remember of it, it doesn't cut at the end......GYOW is on there.....altough, the tape is really screwed up and it's all distorted and you can't really hear or see what's going on too well......that kinda ruins things for me, you know!!!! So, this is the SECOND to last concert on the tour then???
Does anybody have a better quality video I may be able to get ahold of????
You know, I really have to go back and watch this concert again and make sure.....I'm kinda confused now....I thought I had the correct concert..... :confused: :confused:

Stephanie

[David]

Originally posted by Rumours
Ok, so now I have a tape labeled Oakland 1990.....Lindsey is there.......I swear it's from the right place.....and from what I can remember of it, it doesn't cut at the end......GYOW is on there.....altough, the tape is really screwed up and it's all distorted and you can't really hear or see what's going on too well......that kinda ruins things for me, you know!!!! So, this is the SECOND to last concert on the tour then???
Does anybody have a better quality video I may be able to get ahold of???? You know, I really have to go back and watch this concert again and make sure.....I'm kinda confused now....I thought I had the correct concert..... :confused: :confused:

Don't be confused; it's really simple, Stephanie. The handheld video of the Oakland show is out there circulating -- it's a bit of a chore to watch because it's so jumpy & far away. The vid starts right after the band finishes "Dreams," & Stevie Nicks says, "Thank you, San Francisco." Then they play "Isn't It Midnight." The video features all the Lindsey Buckingham appearances that night, which are "Landslide," "Go Your Own Way" & "Tear It Up."

I didn't know that the Los Angeles show was videotaped, but macfan 57 (see below) has a copy. If the band members mention "Inglewood," then you have that one -- that's a pretty sure thing. Give yours a viewing again to see which one you have. The band played Oakland Coliseum on December 6 & the Los Angeles Forum on December 7, with Lindsey Buckingham as a guest both nights. Rolling Stone reviewed the Forum gig.

[macfan 57]

Ok, I think I got it now. Both shows must have been taped and are circulating. However, they are both labeled Oakland 1990. The L.A. show that I have is pro shot and is of very good quality, although it is from somewhat of a distance. It is definitely not jumpy and distorted and the sound is excellent. However, it stops after Stand Back and the last 5 songs are not on the tape, including Go Your Own Way and Tear It Up. The tape does start in the beginning during In The Back Of Your Mind.

Wow, I never actually knew that both shows were taped. It sounds like the actual Oakland show is not of as good quality as the actual L.A. show., but the Oakland show has all three songs that Lindsey appeared in.

[David]

Originally posted by macfan 57
Ok, I think I got it now. Both shows must have been taped and are circulating. However, they are both labeled Oakland 1990. The L.A. show that I have is pro shot and is of very good quality, although it is from somewhat of a distance. It is definitely not jumpy and distorted and the sound is excellent. However, it stops after Stand Back and the last 5 songs are not on the tape, including Go Your Own Way and Tear It Up. The tape does start in the beginning during In The Back Of Your Mind.

You've jogged my memory, macfan 57. As I recall, about two years ago Devilwoman Loftus started selling a proshot video copy of the Forum gig. It was on her Web site at the time, & (naturally) copies of it were put up for auction on eBay. She leaked it, & you can probably still buy a copy of it if you track her down (she keeps a much lower profile these days & does most of her "business" via e-mail, I am told).

The Oakland video is just your standard audience-shot recording that nevertheless captures Lindsey Buckingham's appearance at this very boring show. It's a must-see.

For any of you "Mask" fans, there must be 15 or so concert videos available from that year. If you're interested in seeking them out, I recommend you stick to the summer shows (there's a good one from the Aladdin Theatre in Vegas in June & another from Cal Expo in Sacramento about a week before) rather than the shows later that fall & winter. The band got worse as time wore on.

[Johnny Stew]

A pro-shot video from one of the 'Mask' tour stops has been a major Holy Grail for me for years.
That is the only tour I was able to see the Mac on, so I'd love to have a video record of it.

I have a little bit of footage from one of the shows, but it's not great quality, and it's not a complete show.


I bet Mick has some great footage in a vault somewhere!
(He once claimed that they filmed two nights of every tour they had done. Presumeably after 1976)




Johnny Stew

[macfan 57]

David,

That's exactly where I got the video. I believe Ms. Loftus no longer has her website. If I remember correctly, she actually had 2 1990 Oakland videos, one pro shot with very good quality and one audience shot of much lesser quality. I got the one with better quality which turned out to be the Los Angles show.

Johnny Stew,

I thought they had shot the 1990 Denver show for video release, but didn't release it commercially because they didn't like it. I think the footage from the Skies the Limit video was from this film. I'd be willing to bet that this film is still sitting in a vault somewhere. If it is, I'd sure love to see it.

[Rumours]

Ok, I popped my tape in and watched the beginning of it.
The tape starts already into the beginning of the first song, In The Back of My Mind.......it goes right into The Chain after that......Christine definitely says "Los Angeles", even though the tape is labeled Oakland.....I didn't pick that up when I watched this show before.
So, looks like I've got a bad quality copy of the show on Dec. 7th at the Forum in L.A........I do remember Lindsey coming out and doing Landslide & Go Your Own Way (very very poor quality--if you didn't know better, you wouldn't even know it was him on stage!).....I don't recall seeing Tear It Up though.....

Stephanie