Timespace interview

[Macfan4life]

These are old interviews I've heard over 15 years ago. For some reason they were in my suggested page and I listened again. I miss this angry Stevie vs Mick era so much. Stevie is so tranquilized that she really reveals information that I do not think she intended to tell. Some of her exaggerations are so funny. I will recap parts one and two if you dont have time to listen.

Part 1:
Stevie describes her fight with Mick and how he avoided Stevie's call. Mick would not return her call so she hunted down Dennis to make him call her. Mick refused to give her Silver Springs. The way Stevie describes it is that she wanted to funnel royalties of the song to her mother. She also wanted the Mac version on Timespace.
Then Stevie describes how Silver Springs was dumped from Rumours. Stevie protested but said the band "put a gun to her head" and told her that if she did not want I Dont Want To Know on the album then she would only have 2 songs.
Stevie talks about her management not wanting her to do the BTM tour because they thought it was going to bomb

Part 2:
She says Fleetwood Mac always hated her solo career.
She discusses her marriage to Kim. She admits she was insane and Kim was insane also. She said that she and him bonded visiting Robin and Mathew in the hospital for weeks. They made a pact to always take care of Mathew and 3 months after her death they were married. Stevie says her parents thought she was nuts before this decision but her parents thought she was even more nuts then before when she told them. Don Henley hung up the phone on her when she invited him to the wedding. Then Stevie revealed what a horrible person Kim was to her. Kim only allowed people at the house that he approved of and she needed permission from him. Kim never let Stevie in the nursery and the nanny took care of Mathew. She was finishing the Stand Back video and her crew was dropping her clothes off at the house and Kim would not let them inside. She also said that many times Kim thought she was Robin and it scared her. He became very controlling of her and before she left on the Wild Heart tour she asked for a divorce. She said Kim had only sent her one photo of Mathew and she never saw either of them again (1991).

Really some freaky stuff revealed while she was sedated on klonopin.

Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lreWXEPQzCM

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CFP-CdVv1k&t=624s

[cbBen]

Omitting "Silver Springs" from Rumours is one thing. Wasting it on a B-side is far worse.

They should have assured Stevie it would go on the next album, and perhaps also assured her they'd make it the lead single.

Tusk would have benefitted from its inclusion, and it would have been a good song to release as a single from it.

[Macfan4life]

Omitting "Silver Springs" from Rumours is one thing. Wasting it on a B-side is far worse.

They should have assured Stevie it would go on the next album, and perhaps also assured her they'd make it the lead single.

Tusk would have benefitted from its inclusion, and it would have been a good song to release as a single from it.
I would not say it was being wasted on a B side. It made the song famous for that reason. Many bands put their padding or filler songs as B sides. Fleetwood Mac was at its peak in 1977 and even their cutting room floor left overs were so good they all should have made their next album. Also in the 1970s '45 singles sold like hot cakes. We were kids and did not have enough money for the album so we bought 45's of our favorite song. When Fleetwood Mac stopped releasing singles from Rumours there was still demand for the band. Radio DJ's started playing Silver Springs since it was released on vinyl on the flip side of GYOW. It became a cult classic. I don't know your age but when I was an early teen in the 1980s we all ran to the radio frantically trying to find a blank tape so we could hold it up to the radio to record the song. Had Silver Springs been on Rumours it would not have had that cult phenomenon. Had it never made the B Side and left on the floor with the other Rumours demos it could have been lost forever. Its cult status is what made it the springboard for The Dance. Not only was it the 20th anniversary of Rumours in 1997 but their MTV single was Silver Springs. How appropriate.

[Street_Dreamer]

Disagree. The best thing that happened for the song was exactly what happened. The whole story behind why it didn't make the album and then its resurgence through The Dance made the song have more impact than it ever would have had if it had been released on Rumours or delayed for Tusk.

Omitting "Silver Springs" from Rumours is one thing. Wasting it on a B-side is far worse.

They should have assured Stevie it would go on the next album, and perhaps also assured her they'd make it the lead single.

Tusk would have benefitted from its inclusion, and it would have been a good song to release as a single from it.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Disagree. The best thing that happened for the song was exactly what happened. The whole story behind why it didn't make the album and then its resurgence through The Dance made the song have more impact than it ever would have had if it had been released on Rumours or delayed for Tusk.

Exactly! I say that all the time. There's no way that song would have made the long-lasting impact that it did were it not performed at the Dance reunion show. for good or bad, social media gave it a life of its own and an exposure that would never have occurred in 77.

--Lis

[bombaysaffires]

Agree. It coming out at a point where her songwriting had gone so far downhill and she had lost her motivation to write was a godsend. She would not have gotten the boost in attention and popularity at a time when she needed it badly otherwise (1997). It's one of her best songs and reminded people how she could/can write if she actually tries..... Plus the video of them singing it on The Dance was perfect for social media memes, where it lives forever (even tho it pre dates the internet)

[Macfan4life]

Agree. It coming out at a point where her songwriting had gone so far downhill and she had lost her motivation to write was a godsend. She would not have gotten the boost in attention and popularity at a time when she needed it badly otherwise (1997). It's one of her best songs and reminded people how she could/can write if she actually tries..... Plus the video of them singing it on The Dance was perfect for social media memes, where it lives forever (even tho it pre dates the internet)
Plus it gave Stevie another chance to tell the world how her song got screwed on being cut from Rumours. Its in the Rumours 20th anniversary show about her parking lot moment with Mick. This story over and over portrayed Stevie and the song as a victim that sort of brought everyone back together and was the showcase for the Dance. Silver Springs got its just desserts.
In the interview I posted Stevie claimed the band "put a gun to her head" and said if she did not consent to I Don't Want To Know then she would only get 2 songs. I think this is a reason she resents I Don't Want To Know so much to this day.
So glad she survived her being held at gun point.
;)

[anusha]

Exactly! I say that all the time. There's no way that song would have made the long-lasting impact that it did were it not performed at the Dance reunion show. for good or bad, social media gave it a life of its own and an exposure that would never have occurred in 77.

--Lis

100%. When you think about how many amazing, more radio friendly songs were on Rumours, there's no way Silver Springs would have had the kind of impact it did later on as part of The Dance. I'm sure it was disappointing that Silver Springs didn't make Rumours, but I can't see a midtempo song like SS outperforming any of the Rumours singles -- i.e. GYOW, YMLF, Dreams, or Don't Stop.

And I don't even think Stevie would have wanted SS to be on Tusk. She would have complained that it got stuck on an album that didn't sell. She wanted it for Timespace because she knew a greatest hits album would sell a lot and make a lot of money.

[Villavic]

It wouldn't have been right to include the Mac version in Timespace, IMHO. It's a Fleetwood Mac track. But I don't think recording it for this album would have turned out very well. And I don't think they wasted the song on the B-side. However, I never though it could have been in Tusk, but yes it would have fit perfect! And maybe the album would have sold more. :laugh: But... it waited until 1997, and the song exploded—wonderfully. And those glances between L&S... it couldn't have been better (obviously, at the time).

Fleetwood Mac always hated her solo career? Naaaaa. Was Lindsey jealous? Yes, sometimes I guess he was. But did the band hate it? I won't spend my time commented more about it.

To be fair, it’s always good to hear the other side (Kim) and find out what he thinks about that time and what he has to say. Although, to be honest, that chapter is closed—it’s in the past, and I’m not exactly dying to know.

[Macfan4life]

It wouldn't have been right to include the Mac version in Timespace, IMHO. It's a Fleetwood Mac track. But I don't think recording it for this album would have turned out very well. And I don't think they wasted the song on the B-side. However, I never though it could have been in Tusk, but yes it would have fit perfect! And maybe the album would have sold more. :laugh: But... it waited until 1997, and the song exploded—wonderfully. And those glances between L&S... it couldn't have been better (obviously, at the time).

Fleetwood Mac always hated her solo career? Naaaaa. Was Lindsey jealous? Yes, sometimes I guess he was. But did the band hate it? I won't spend my time commented more about it.

To be fair, it’s always good to hear the other side (Kim) and find out what he thinks about that time and what he has to say. Although, to be honest, that chapter is closed—it’s in the past, and I’m not exactly dying to know.
It may not have fit but it definitely would have boosted sales of the album. She probably was scared since OSOTM was considered almost a flop for her. She said Timespace was not greatest hits but her favorite songs. So I can understand why she wanted it. $$$

[Villavic]

She said Timespace was not greatest hits but her favorite songs.

She said that? Naaa... Timespace is a classic GH. Oh Stevie Stevie, if there is one talent you haven't lost, it's making me laugh. Cause since most of the songs are the ones that got the most radio airplay, and the title includes the phrase "The Best of..." that means a GH to me. And it is not unusual for a greatest hits album to include a couple of new songs—which, obviously, aren't hits yet upon the album's release, and might never become ones. So Best of, Very Best of, Greatest Hits... all the same so then to quote Phoebe Buffay... "potato patata".

However box sets could be, and usually are, something different. And Enchanted seems more as a personal selection than a GH, cause it includes rare B'sides, alternate versions, tracks excluded from previous albums. So there were songs I never heard on the radio. Obviously Enchanted is not a classic GH, and for me—since I never owned all her solo albums—buying it was a good idea; I really enjoyed it.

[Macfan4life]

She said that? Naaa... Timespace is a classic GH. Oh Stevie Stevie, if there is one talent you haven't lost, it's making me laugh. Cause since most of the songs are the ones that got the most radio airplay, and the title includes the phrase "The Best of..." that means a GH to me. And it is not unusual for a greatest hits album to include a couple of new songs—which, obviously, aren't hits yet upon the album's release, and might never become ones. So Best of, Very Best of, Greatest Hits... all the same so then to quote Phoebe Buffay... "potato patata".

However box sets could be, and usually are, something different. And Enchanted seems more as a personal selection than a GH, cause it includes rare B'sides, alternate versions, tracks excluded from previous albums. So there were songs I never heard on the radio. Obviously Enchanted is not a classic GH, and for me—since I never owned all her solo albums—buying it was a good idea; I really enjoyed it.
She's said it a million times. Her record company came to her and told her to release a Greatest Hits album. She balked at it because back then a Greatest Hits album was a sign of a washed up performer. She would only go along if it was not called Greatest Hits. She named it Timespace. She left off top 40 hits Nightbird and After The Glitter Fades and added Beauty and the Beast which was not even released as a single. Whole Lotta Trouble never charted and it was on the album too This is why she wanted Silver Springs too. She said a million times she resented a "Greatest Hits" album. It was a compromise between her and her record company which songs to put on. She added her favorite songs that many would not know.
Yes of course its a greatest hits album but I suppose none of this was in "the book." ;)

[Villavic]

She's said it a million times. Her record company came to her and told her to release a Greatest Hits album. She balked at it because back then a Greatest Hits album was a sign of a washed up performer. She would only go along if it was not called Greatest Hits. She named it Timespace. She left off top 40 hits Nightbird and After The Glitter Fades and added Beauty and the Beast which was not even released as a single. Whole Lotta Trouble never charted and it was on the album too This is why she wanted Silver Springs too. She said a million times she resented a "Greatest Hits" album. It was a compromise between her and her record company which songs to put on. She added her favorite songs that many would not know.
Yes of course its a greatest hits album but I suppose none of this was in "the book." ;)

The world needs Mick to write a book about Stevie's life and career. It would be titled *Fleetwood: My Life and Adventures with Stevie Nicks*. All of us ledgie should write letters to Mick asking him to do it. :lol: :thumbsup:

Ok after emphasizing that it was a joke (guys, please don't get upset), I agree about the GH as a sign of a washed up. But for many singers and bands sometimes it was a sign of a turning point. Specially those GH released at the end or beginning of a decade. I'm thinking in Queen's GH. Though they already changed their style with The Game album, their 80s albums were radically different from those of the 70s. I compare GH Vol 1 (1981) with Vol 2 (1991) and it's so evident how the band changed.

Same as Madonna. The Immaculate Collection (1990) is very different than the GHV2 (2001).

[Macfan4life]

The world needs Mick to write a book about Stevie's life and career. It would be titled *Fleetwood: My Life and Adventures with Stevie Nicks*. All of us ledgie should write letters to Mick asking him to do it. :lol: :thumbsup:

Ok after emphasizing that it was a joke (guys, please don't get upset), I agree about the GH as a sign of a washed up. But for many singers and bands sometimes it was a sign of a turning point. Specially those GH released at the end or beginning of a decade. I'm thinking in Queen's GH. Though they already changed their style with The Game album, their 80s albums were radically different from those of the 70s. I compare GH Vol 1 (1981) with Vol 2 (1991) and it's so evident how the band changed.

Same as Madonna. The Immaculate Collection (1990) is very different than the GHV2 (2001).
The greatest example of releasing a Greatest Hits album and still going strong and blowing up charts is the Eagles. The Eagles Greatest Hits album had huge hits and was released in 1976 before Hotel California and The Long Run. I believe both those albums were their most successful and they came post Greatest Hits. Their volume 1 Greatest Hits is still ranked the best selling album by a rock artist. Very rare achievement and only The Eagles could have pulled that off. The album has sold 75 million copies worldwide, is the best selling Greatest Hits album ever and is the 4th best album of all time.
It sort of made sense for the Mac to release a Greatest Hits album in 1988. It was the end of an era and a beginning of another. It also gave the band a test case for the new members. The album sold really well but just imagine if the new line up had a big hit off it. Shockingly As Long As You Follow tanked and did not even make top 40.
Having said all that I believe Greatest Hits albums are cheezy when you love the band. The better songs are always the deeper cuts. The Greatest Hits packages I have bought were from artists I was a casual fan like Billy Squire and Pat Benatar.

[Villavic]

The greatest example of releasing a Greatest Hits album and still going strong and blowing up charts is the Eagles. The Eagles Greatest Hits album had huge hits and was released in 1976 before Hotel California and The Long Run. I believe both those albums were their most successful and they came post Greatest Hits.

And just after those two studio albums, they release a GH vol 2. I bought that album when I was just starting to like Eagles beyond the HC song and didn't know their entire discography. But then I found nonsense that a new GH volume appeared after just 2 albums, but then I learned they had broke u... sorry, they had taken a 14 year vacation.

One thing I hate in GHs is that some songs are cut off, shortened, etc. Like Queen's Under Pressure or Pat Benatar's We Belong (I bought the Best Shots CD).

[Macfan4life]

And just after those two studio albums, they release a GH vol 2. I bought that album when I was just starting to like Eagles beyond the HC song and didn't know their entire discography. But then I found nonsense that a new GH volume appeared after just 2 albums, but then I learned they had broke u... sorry, they had taken a 14 year vacation.

One thing I hate in GHs is that some songs are cut off, shortened, etc. Like Queen's Under Pressure or Pat Benatar's We Belong (I bought the Best Shots CD).
Those were monster albums. The Eagles Long Run was not as daring as Tusk but it did have a more modern sound. But unlike Fleetwood Mac, their follow up from the Epic Hotel California also went to #1 and stayed their longer than Hotel California but they sold approximately the same which was a huge success. I was surprised to recently learn that In The City was never a single released from The Long Run. It became its own rock radio hit in the same way The Chain or Gold Dust Woman became a hit off Rumours without being released as a single.
We got The Eagles Greatest hits volume 1 from Columbia House record club in the 1970s. It was one of the 7 albums our family could pick for 1 cent.
Speaking of editing the songs. Correct me if I am wrong but when Tusk was released on CD they edited Sara. When it was placed on Greatest Hits the full song made the CD. I can remember Stevie discussing this on Rockline promoting the Greatest Hits. So Greatest Hits had the first CD full version of Sara.

[Villavic]

Correct me if I am wrong but when Tusk was released on CD they edited Sara.

That's right. Dissapointed is not the word that described me at the time. I was furious. Despite my knowledge of IT storage mgt, my emotional intelligence failed me, and I couldn't accept that the technology was incapable of fitting the full-length songs onto that digital device.

I remember looking at the back of the CD case and seeing "Sara (edit)" at the store; I assumed it meant a slight different mix, which only piqued my curiosity further. Silly me. I never bought the green GH CD, so it was thanks to the 25 Years The Chain box set that I was able to get a full digital version of Sara (which means I bought The Very Best Of just because of ALAYF).

[HomerMcvie]

It's funny...80 minutes is 80 minutes, is 80 minutes...

No amount of Stevie Nicks' witchcraftery dreaming can alter physics. :woohoo::wavey:

[Street_Dreamer]

I wonder how much the CD sales of Tusk would have been affected had it been released as a two-disc set to accommodate the full-length version of Sara?

[Villavic]

It's funny...80 minutes is 80 minutes, is 80 minutes...

No amount of Stevie Nicks' witchcraftery dreaming can alter physics. :woohoo::wavey:

Stevie must be on vacation in Salem at that moment, but it didn't matter cause I don't have my CD right now but all sources say the album Tusk lasts no more than 74 minutes.

I wonder how much the CD sales of Tusk would have been affected had it been released as a two-disc set to accommodate the full-length version of Sara?

That was part of the questions that came up during my tantrum. I don't know if they conducted a market research to determine they wouldn't break even if it were a 2-cd, or they just didn't take the risk. But how the band aproved the cut to Sara??? And why that song? Remember Stevie said in the Classic Album Rumours doc that she is very touchy about shortening her songs (about SS). And if she said that, it must be an absolute truth, because she never contradicts herself. :cool: So in this case did she know about the shortening before the release? Was it a label decision? Did they consult any member? If I had to choose I'd cut some Lindsey song from those I don't like enough, but all Lindsey's are very short to be reduced. And the three longest Tusk songs are Stevie's, so there wasn't much to choose from, but in that case, I would have shortened Beautiful Child, not Sara.

Of course, the company surely chose Sara thinking that fans would feel forced to buy a later compilation containing the full version of Sara. They would be more likely to do that than for Beautiful Child.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie must be on vacation in Salem at that moment, but it didn't matter cause I don't have my CD right now but all sources say the album Tusk lasts no more than 74 minutes.



That was part of the questions that came up during my tantrum. I don't know if they conducted a market research to determine they wouldn't break even if it were a 2-cd, or they just didn't take the risk. But how the band aproved the cut to Sara??? And why that song? Remember Stevie said in the Classic Album Rumours doc that she is very touchy about shortening her songs (about SS). And if she said that, it must be an absolute truth, because she never contradicts herself. :cool: So in this case did she know about the shortening before the release? Was it a label decision? Did they consult any member? If I had to choose I'd cut some Lindsey song from those I don't like enough, but all Lindsey's are very short to be reduced. And the three longest Tusk songs are Stevie's, so there wasn't much to choose from, but in that case, I would have shortened Beautiful Child, not Sara.

Of course, the company surely chose Sara thinking that fans would feel forced to buy a later compilation containing the full version of Sara. They would be more likely to do that than for Beautiful Child.
It got bigger over time(that's what she said).(I screenshot the info, but it's too large, and I'm not dikcing with it)

It was probably the longest song, which is why it suffered the fate.

[Macfan4life]

Stevie must be on vacation in Salem at that moment, but it didn't matter cause I don't have my CD right now but all sources say the album Tusk lasts no more than 74 minutes.



That was part of the questions that came up during my tantrum. I don't know if they conducted a market research to determine they wouldn't break even if it were a 2-cd, or they just didn't take the risk. But how the band aproved the cut to Sara??? And why that song? Remember Stevie said in the Classic Album Rumours doc that she is very touchy about shortening her songs (about SS). And if she said that, it must be an absolute truth, because she never contradicts herself. :cool: So in this case did she know about the shortening before the release? Was it a label decision? Did they consult any member? If I had to choose I'd cut some Lindsey song from those I don't like enough, but all Lindsey's are very short to be reduced. And the three longest Tusk songs are Stevie's, so there wasn't much to choose from, but in that case, I would have shortened Beautiful Child, not Sara.

Of course, the company surely chose Sara thinking that fans would feel forced to buy a later compilation containing the full version of Sara. They would be more likely to do that than for Beautiful Child.
Honestly I bet most people did not even notice. I was very late replacing albums and tapes with CDs but remember Stevie's outage on Rockline during the Greatest Hits promotion. That brought it on the radar for me because they said it contained the full version of Sara. The core fans noticed. Was there ever a single version of Sara which was shorter than the album?
Why is it always poor Stevie that gets the short end of the stick. They could have eliminated The Ledge and kept the full version of Sara ;)

[bombaysaffires]

Honestly I bet most people did not even notice. I was very late replacing albums and tapes with CDs but remember Stevie's outage on Rockline during the Greatest Hits promotion. That brought it on the radar for me because they said it contained the full version of Sara. The core fans noticed. Was there ever a single version of Sara which was shorter than the album?
Why is it always poor Stevie that gets the short end of the stick. They could have eliminated The Ledge and kept the full version of Sara ;)

Yes. :nod: There was a single version that was 4 mins and something.

But the full version was always on the original Tusk (vinyl) album.

ETA: the single version, 4:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCL1FsLL5Oo
The edit is at 2:41

Is this the same shortened version that got on the CD?

[Villavic]

But speaking of long versions, besides the 3/10/79 version that lasts 8:49 that came in the Deluxe edition, I got a 10:45 minute "Sara Remastered Demo" that I can't remember how I got it. It's most likely that someone here shared it many many years ago. It really has a demo sound, not much a remastered track, but it is cool to listening to it from time to time.

That reminds me again of when Stevie said she was very touchy about having her songs shortened. So, was she upset too because the vinyl album version was only 6:26 long? :laugh:

[Macfan4life]

But speaking of long versions, besides the 3/10/79 version that lasts 8:49 that came in the Deluxe edition, I got a 10:45 minute "Sara Remastered Demo" that I can't remember how I got it. It's most likely that someone here shared it many many years ago. It really has a demo sound, not much a remastered track, but it is cool to listening to it from time to time.

That reminds me again of when Stevie said she was very touchy about having her songs shortened. So, was she upset too because the vinyl album version was only 6:26 long? :laugh:
Would you shorten Bob Dylan songs?
;)

[Villavic]

Would you shorten Bob Dylan songs?
;)

I can't even stand Donna Summer's single versions. If I want to listen to Love to Love You Baby, it has to be the 16:48 album version :laugh: . Same with I Feel Love, Could It Be Magic, etc. Even with "MacArthur Park, though actually thats a "suite" of three songs, but I love it.

[Macfan4life]

I can't even stand Donna Summer's single versions. If I want to listen to Love to Love You Baby, it has to be the 16:48 album version :laugh: . Same with I Feel Love, Could It Be Magic, etc. Even with "MacArthur Park, though actually thats a "suite" of three songs, but I love it.
There are even radio stations that edit songs to make more room for advertising money. The local classic rock station near me edits Edge of 17. Makes me mental because its not that long of a song. They edit like 15 seconds and remove an entire verse. I am sure they do it to other songs but I notice on this one the most.
I belong to a classic sitcom message board and that is the #1 complaint over there too how TV stations edit sitcoms to make room for more commercials from their original broadcast. So many jokes are edited out it makes you nuts. Its really sad we cant have nice things because everyone wants to make more and more money.