Don't Stop deep dive

[Macfan4life]

Don't Stop is not a favorite around here but it has many unique qualities that get over looked. It was not played on the Rumours tour until it was released as a single very late on the tour. Chris played Oh Daddy instead. It was the 4th Rumours single and the second highest charting single at #3. Warner stopped releasing singles from the album after Don't Stop. That would never happen today. Imagine an album getting a huge #3 hit and then just stopping to let the album fade to not burn itself out.
Check out this clip of isolated vocals. Is this not Lindsey's best vocal or at least one of them? He's hitting the highest notes but with passion. I can almost see his veins popping out in his neck. I wonder who's idea this was to do as a duet. Lindsey and Chris's vocals mesh so well together. But besides taking the first verse, Lindsey is singing the chorus "Don't Stop." Chris is almost coming in as background vocals with "Thinking About Tomorrow" Its quite the interesting mix. These alternating parts work so well. I once saw an interview with Mick that said that Chris brought the song like a bluesy shuffle the way she used to play. I suppose Lindsey got his hands on it and tweeked it into this faster tempo shuffle that turned into the ultimate pop hit. Who remembers Peter Jennings of ABC news broadcasting from the Democratic National Convention after Bill Clinton got the nomination and the song playing and Peter saying "Don't Stop, that Jefferson Starship classic." A few minutes later he had to broadcast his mistake :lol:

Vocals Only
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gm4bENexOA

[Villavic]

Don't Stop one of my favorites. I know the two collaborated strongly on many songs, but when they both sing, it's even more noticeable. Although they're very different songs, it also shines in World Turning and even in Hold Me.

[HomerMcvie]

Don't Stop one of my favorites. I know the two collaborated strongly on many songs, but when they both sing, it's even more noticeable. Although they're very different songs, it also shines in World Turning and even in Hold Me.

And Think About Me. Lindsey's vocals are right there with Christine's.

My favorite FM songs have always been the LB/CM duet songs.

[Macfan4life]

Don't Stop one of my favorites. I know the two collaborated strongly on many songs, but when they both sing, it's even more noticeable. Although they're very different songs, it also shines in World Turning and even in Hold Me.
I never really thought too much about that but I think you are right. World Turning features both Lindsey and Chris coming in and out of verses and choruses together. I wonder if they had so much fun with it that they wanted to duplicate that on Rumours and then Think About Me on Tusk and Hold Me on Mirage.
Its also what made Buckingham McVie so special. Its also what Stevie angry and jealous in 1975 with Chris and Lindsey writing and singing together.

[Villavic]

Its also what Stevie angry and jealous in 1975 with Chris and Lindsey writing and singing together.

Interesting. Stevie's excessive ego is indisputable, but when and what did she say that makes you think this specifically?

[Macfan4life]

Interesting. Stevie's excessive ego is indisputable, but when and what did she say that makes you think this specifically?
Keith Olsen has said this. I believe its also in Mick's book. Stevie and Lindsey never wrote together and now Lindsey is writing with Christine. It rubbed her the wrong way and she got jealous.
I don't think she has every commented on this but others have.

[bombaysaffires]

Keith Olsen has said this. I believe its also in Mick's book. Stevie and Lindsey never wrote together and now Lindsey is writing with Christine. It rubbed her the wrong way and she got jealous.
I don't think she has every commented on this but others have.

I actually think she has... don't hold a gun to my head over it, but I swear I do recall her admitting at one point in an interview years later that the two of them doing World Turning without her did chap her backside a bit.

[jbrownsjr]

I actually think she has... don't hold a gun to my head over it, but I swear I do recall her admitting at one point in an interview years later that the two of them doing World Turning without her did chap her backside a bit.

She has said something about it. She wasn't angry when she said it, but said at the time she was a bit shocked to see him writing with her.

[Penguin Emeritus]

I actually think she has... don't hold a gun to my head over it, but I swear I do recall her admitting at one point in an interview years later that the two of them doing World Turning without her did chap her backside a bit.

i recall this also. she said that even though she loved chris, it made her jealous that lindsey and chris were writing a song together, because this wasn't really something she and lindsey ever did.

--Lis

[aleuzzi]

One small but important correction: “Don’t Stop” was the third single from Rumours. “You Make Loving Fun” was the fourth.

I think I recall reading somewhere that Chris had hoped the label chose YMLF third.

[aleuzzi]

I actually think she has... don't hold a gun to my head over it, but I swear I do recall her admitting at one point in an interview years later that the two of them doing World Turning without her did chap her backside a bit.

Yes—she admitted this in an interview around the era of The Dance.

[Macfan4life]

One small but important correction: “Don’t Stop” was the third single from Rumours. “You Make Loving Fun” was the fourth.

I think I recall reading somewhere that Chris had hoped the label chose YMLF third.
Thank you for the correction.
Long nets of white cloud my memory

[Villavic]

One small but important correction: “Don’t Stop” was the third single from Rumours. “You Make Loving Fun” was the fourth.

I think I recall reading somewhere that Chris had hoped the label chose YMLF third.

I just watched Part I of the Billy Joel doc. I see The Stranger had 5 singles, it was mentioned kind of a record. We already wonder why Rumours only had 4 singles. There were plenty of options for a fifth single, and even more. I remember years ago I played Rumours entirely for a friend, he said Sounds like a Greatest Hits album.

[Macfan4life]

I just watched Part I of the Billy Joel doc. I see The Stranger had 5 singles, it was mentioned kind of a record. We already wonder why Rumours only had 4 singles. There were plenty of options for a fifth single, and even more. I remember years ago I played Rumours entirely for a friend, he said Sounds like a Greatest Hits album.
Hotel California was the same as Rumours. It had 3 hit singles and then stopped releasing singles. Back in those days it was a huge success to have 2 hit singles off an album. 3 or more was unheard of. But I suppose the Eagles had the same philosophy as the Mac to not burn the public out of their music. That would never happen today.

[aleuzzi]

I just watched Part I of the Billy Joel doc. I see The Stranger had 5 singles, it was mentioned kind of a record. We already wonder why Rumours only had 4 singles. There were plenty of options for a fifth single, and even more. I remember years ago I played Rumours entirely for a friend, he said Sounds like a Greatest Hits album.

It likely was a financial decision. The album was selling so well there was no need to promote it further. Even long after the fourth single, Rumours was outselling The Stranger. But yes—there were two or three other songs they could gave easily charted in the top 20 or 30.

[SteveMacD]

One small but important correction: “Don’t Stop” was the third single from Rumours. “You Make Loving Fun” was the fourth.

In fact, YMLF and “Sentimental Lady” were on the charts at the same time. YMLF peaked on Dec. 17, 1977 and SL peaked on Jan. 7, 1978.

[Villavic]

Just a thought. Thriller had 7 singles. I don't know if it's because I'm a fan but I could release 7 singles from Rumours. :)

[Macfan4life]

Just a thought. Thriller had 7 singles. I don't know if it's because I'm a fan but I could release 7 singles from Rumours. :)
Every song on the album is heard on some radio channel somewhere. Even casual fans know all the songs. We once speculated here what the 5th single would be and Second Hand News was the pick.
However there is another example what made Rumours such a great album. The Chain and Gold Dust Woman are 2 main plays on classic rock stations. Everyone knows them yet they were never singles. Many of The Rolling Stones biggest hits were never released as singles. They became hits the same way The Chain and GDW became hits. The album was so good radio dug in and played other songs. It sort of happened with the White album too. World Turning and Landslide got some serious radio play.
However looking back I sort of see why the record company stopped. The Mac was already laying tracks for their next album and did not want to burn out the audience. Madonna's record company had that issue. Like A Virgin was already finished and ready for release but her prior album was still charting. They stopped and immediately released Like A Virgin and the audience embraced the saturation. However Madonna is not a good example because she broke all the norms.

[Villavic]

They stopped and immediately released Like A Virgin and the audience embraced the saturation. However Madonna is not a good example because she broke all the norms.

Thriller must be the best-selling album of all time and Madonna must have been a phenomenom that broke all the norms, but if I think in saturation, it's the Bee Gees who immediately come to mind. By the end of 1978 they were still playing their Saturday Night Fever songs. Not only on radios, I remember one that had "The Bee Gees" hour every weekday at 6pm, playing current hits and oldies. But also on department stores, in cinemas before the movie started, etc.

And by October that year the Spirits Having Flown singles started to appear. And I don't forget all the songs where they were involved those years. Samantha Sang, Andy Gibb, Yvonne Elliman, etc. I love the Bee Gees but I was over saturated those years.

[Macfan4life]

Thriller must be the best-selling album of all time and Madonna must have been a phenomenom that broke all the norms, but if I think in saturation, it's the Bee Gees who immediately come to mind. By the end of 1978 they were still playing their Saturday Night Fever songs. Not only on radios, I remember one that had "The Bee Gees" hour every weekday at 6pm, playing current hits and oldies. But also on department stores, in cinemas before the movie started, etc.

And by October that year the Spirits Having Flown singles started to appear. And I don't forget all the songs where they were involved those years. Samantha Sang, Andy Gibb, Yvonne Elliman, etc. I love the Bee Gees but I was over saturated those years.
Because the Bee Gees became disco superstars their career sort of died with disco. But you are right. Saturday Night Fever was huge for them and immediately after still was pumping out huge hits for another 2 years.
But then crickets

[SteveMacD]

Because the Bee Gees became disco superstars their career sort of died with disco. But you are right. Saturday Night Fever was huge for them and immediately after still was pumping out huge hits for another 2 years.
But then crickets

Not exactly. Samantha Sang had a hit with “Emotion” in 1978, Frankie Valli had a hit with “Grease” in 1978, Barry Gibb and Streisand had a massive hit with “Guilty” in 1980, Dionne Warwick had a big hit with “Heartbreaker” in 1982, and Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers had a massive hit with “Islands in the Stream” in 1983. So, their songs were still charting for a while afterwards.

ETA: Not to mention Andy Gibb.

[Macfan4life]

Not exactly. Samantha Sang had a hit with “Emotion” in 1978, Frankie Valli had a hit with “Grease” in 1978, Barry Gibb and Streisand had a massive hit with “Guilty” in 1980, Dionne Warwick had a big hit with “Heartbreaker” in 1982, and Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers had a massive hit with “Islands in the Stream” in 1983. So, their songs were still charting for a while afterwards.

ETA: Not to mention Andy Gibb.
Now you are freaking me out Steve. The discussion was burn out of the Bee Gees not songs they wrote and gave to different artists. But Guilty featured the Bee Gees in 1980 when Disco was about to get the death nail. Emotion was from 1978 during the saturation which makes the point. They were burned out after Saturday Night Fever. They hit with a huge #1 Tragedy in 1979 but their career ended and they could not get on the charts again. I think they had a mild hit "One" in 1988 and it was a big deal even though it charted horribly.
True or False
The Bee Gees had a great career after disco died in 1980.

[cbBen]

Is Stevie on the track? At the end?

[SteveMacD]

Now you are freaking me out Steve. The discussion was burn out of the Bee Gees not songs they wrote and gave to different artists. But Guilty featured the Bee Gees in 1980 when Disco was about to get the death nail. Emotion was from 1978 during the saturation which makes the point. They were burned out after Saturday Night Fever. They hit with a huge #1 Tragedy in 1979 but their career ended and they could not get on the charts again. I think they had a mild hit "One" in 1988 and it was a big deal even though it charted horribly.
True or False
The Bee Gees had a great career after disco died in 1980.

False.

Their influence as songwriters continued for at least another five years or so.

And, after VH-1 started focusing on classics in the mid ‘90s, their ‘60s stuff -especially “To Love Somebody”- started being revisited. Before they started dying off, they were a massive concert act.

Their trajectory -factoring in Andy Gibb- wasn’t dissimilar to Fleetwood Mac’s. Some ‘60s success, absolutely dominant late ‘70s success, still relevant into the ‘80s (as successful songwriters for other artists, including their brother), and then an incredibly in-demand oldies act towards the end.

They were never at risk of not getting work.

[Macfan4life]

False.

Their influence as songwriters continued for at least another five years or so.

And, after VH-1 started focusing on classics in the mid ‘90s, their ‘60s stuff -especially “To Love Somebody”- started being revisited. Before they started dying off, they were a massive concert act.

Their trajectory -factoring in Andy Gibb- wasn’t dissimilar to Fleetwood Mac’s. Some ‘60s success, absolutely dominant late ‘70s success, still relevant into the ‘80s (as successful songwriters for other artists, including their brother), and then an incredibly in-demand oldies act towards the end.

They were never at risk of not getting work.
Ha ha. I knew you were going to say that ;)
They were never a disco band but became super stars in the disco era. Was it not Saturday Night Fever that knocked Rumours out of the top spot. They were huge and all disco acts suffered the same fate. I am not trying to prove you wrong because that is not needed. You provided songs post SNF that you claim still had them successful. Yet those songs were still in the disco era. Their career came to a screeching halt. You dont remember the interview with them in the early and mid 80s how frustrated they were? They ruled the charts. Now you are moving the goal post "never at risk of getting work." Oh I am sure they still got work and other artists used them behind the scenes but none of their music was charting and like most disco acts they sort of disappeared. Of course in the 1990s the 1970s came back and then they became a big touring act again like many 1970s acts.
You failed the exam Steve. The answer to the question was false. They did not have a great career post disco. The Bee Gee's albums were the first in the bonfire in the disco sucks movement. Being relevant is not the same as having a great career or anywhere close to what they had in the 1970s. Not sure why this is disputed. But I hope you have a good Friday and great weekend :)

[Villavic]

I loved Island In The Stream when I heard it. I didn't know the BG wrote it. They don't sing in the chorus, do they? I was surprised to learn later that it was their song.

For several years, I didn't hear anything from them, except for one or two singles, nothing relevant in Peru. The antibodies were still present on the radio.

But when I saw the One Night Only concert video, it was extraordinary. I thought, oh that will always be a great band.

[jbrownsjr]

False.

Their influence as songwriters continued for at least another five years or so.

And, after VH-1 started focusing on classics in the mid ‘90s, their ‘60s stuff -especially “To Love Somebody”- started being revisited. Before they started dying off, they were a massive concert act.

Their trajectory -factoring in Andy Gibb- wasn’t dissimilar to Fleetwood Mac’s. Some ‘60s success, absolutely dominant late ‘70s success, still relevant into the ‘80s (as successful songwriters for other artists, including their brother), and then an incredibly in-demand oldies act towards the end.

They were never at risk of not getting work.

Don't forget Sgt. Peppers, which was a great film! Peter Frampton was in it, too.

[Villavic]

Don't forget Sgt. Peppers, which was a great film! .

hummm... errr.......

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/4d/9e/3d/4d9e3dde2ef15aebcd731687b139637e.jpg

[jbrownsjr]

hummm... errr.......

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/4d/9e/3d/4d9e3dde2ef15aebcd731687b139637e.jpg

I was young and we watched it like 5 times in the theater! :wavey:

[Villavic]

I was young and we watched it like 5 times in the theater! :wavey:

Well who am I to judge you. This one was a fave of mine when I was 14, first time I could see Linda Blair in the silver screen.

https://play-lh.googleusercontent.com/proxy/25Fl8LGbWqVylH9z5Fw8aNOlU8vY0lM_RccuA1FEEr2A-WTdLQ4TMzXVmXZQ2GAyGlWGwB6t-DU6VyVzc74ntnUctxhqoAm7HqwRrmGRV_adgmCJykv-2ctA9JHMc2BFKllnWWH-ww_s6skeFHjv_FtxoqSUh8uLfL3Z8A

[HomerMcvie]

I was young and we watched it like 5 times in the theater! :wavey:

It was bad!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper%27s_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band_(film)#:~:text=Pepper's%20Lonely%20Hearts%20Club%20Band%20is %20a%201978%20American%20jukebox,Frampton%20and%20the%20Bee%20Gees.

[Villavic]

It was bad!
.

Yes it was, but I understand jbrownsjr. When one is very young, many movies impress us and we like them a lot. It happened to me with Roller Boogie, other musical movies, some disaster films, even their sequels that usually are worse than the original. And sometimes we enjoyed them a lot but just for the songs.

I didn't see Sgt. Pepper in the cinema, but I've read it was very bad, I watched on tv but didn't finish it. :rolleyes: . I see in IMDB is 4.3

However I still enjoy Thank God It's Friday, no like in the past but still a bit fun. Shame on me? Well at least is 5.5 in IMDB. :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

It was bad!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper%27s_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band_(film)#:~:text=Pepper's%20Lonely%20Hearts%20Club%20Band%20is %20a%201978%20American%20jukebox,Frampton%20and%20the%20Bee%20Gees.

It didn't age well! :nod:

[aleuzzi]

It didn't age well! :nod:

It didn’t, but I remember watching a young Peter Frampton with much interest. In the 70s, he could pick his nose and I’d watch.

[jbrownsjr]

It didn’t, but I remember watching a young Peter Frampton with much interest. In the 70s, he could pick his nose and I’d watch.

Great film for the kids. We loved it.

[HomerMcvie]

It didn’t, but I remember watching a young Peter Frampton with much interest. In the 70s, he could pick his nose and I’d watch.

He was my first rock concert. My hippie aunt took me. I think I was in 7th grade? I still have the stub. $6!

[aleuzzi]

he was my first rock concert. My hippie aunt took me. I think i was in 7th grade? I still have the stub. $6!

$6!!!!!!!!

[bombaysaffires]

He was my first rock concert. My hippie aunt took me. I think I was in 7th grade? I still have the stub. $6!

He was MY first concert! Boston Garden. Ticket was like 13.00. I still have it in an old scrapbook where I kept all my ticket stubs. I think I was about 12 or 13.

My friend and I went and managed to get all mixed up on the way out and exited some random door that took us out into an alleyway.... that just happened to be where Peter's limo was, and a small group of fans who unlike us had deliberately waited there. When he came out it was nuts and people pressed their faces to the windows and some jumped on the hood. GREAT first rock concert experience! :nod:

[bombaysaffires]

I loved Island In The Stream when I heard it. I didn't know the BG wrote it. They don't sing in the chorus, do they? I was surprised to learn later that it was their song.

For several years, I didn't hear anything from them, except for one or two singles, nothing relevant in Peru. The antibodies were still present on the radio.

But when I saw the One Night Only concert video, it was extraordinary. I thought, oh that will always be a great band.

Part of that was deliberate; they pulled back from writing and recording their own albums after all the over hype and blowback of the late 70s and focused their creativity instead on writing and producing others. I think by the time people had gotten over being sick of them the music world had changed, the 80s brought new wave and punk and MTV and all that and new, younger bands. They had kind of aged out by then. Though, that's funny to say now when the Stones are still out there in their 80s and even Stevie at 77

[HomerMcvie]

Overexposure IS a thing.

See-
Bee Gees
Hootie and the Blowfish
Billy Ray Cyrus

You're thrilled to be on top, but you're so popular, they run you into the ground until people are sick of you.

[bombaysaffires]

Overexposure IS a thing.

See-
Bee Gees
Hootie and the Blowfish
Billy Ray Cyrus

You're thrilled to be on top, but you're so popular, they run you into the ground until people are sick of you.

Pedro Pascal is finding this out now. The backlash is growing louder. I don't mind him myself, but I get it.

Previously it was Adam Driver who was EVERYWHERE. His team smartly pulled him way back and he didn't do anything for a couple years. Still don't see that much of him.

Another one ws Jennifer Lawrence; she stepped away and started a family and is only starting to resurface.

[bombaysaffires]

Overexposure IS a thing.

See-
Bee Gees
Hootie and the Blowfish
Billy Ray Cyrus

You're thrilled to be on top, but you're so popular, they run you into the ground until people are sick of you.

I was sick of Billy Ray Cyrus the minute he showed up.

And his talent doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the Bee Gees.:distress:

[Macfan4life]

George Harrison commented on the Sgt Pepper's film claiming the movie was so bad it damaged the Bee Gee's and Frampton's career.
I remember watching it as a kid on HBO. The soundtrack was supposed to be HUGE. I think they were hoping for another Saturday Night Fever sort of thing.
Shhhhh. Don't tell Steve but the movie and soundtrack flopped and careers were damaged ;)

Anyone remember Can't Stop The Music movie? The Village People were cast when they were big stars but the movie kept getting delayed. It was supposed to be out in December 1978 and it was called Discoland. But it got delayed and rewritten and by the time it came out in 1980 Disco was dead. Here is the funny part. Everyone knew the Village People were gay but they were not allow to be gay in the movie so they were surrounded by women. Steve Guttenberg's big movie break. Also Bruce Jenner (now Caityln Jenner) was in the movie.

Anyone remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mSlXVuHhU8&list=RD6mSlXVuHhU8&start_radio=1

A young Steve Guttenberg on roller skates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcw6GN7Kfv0

[jbrownsjr]

He was MY first concert! Boston Garden. Ticket was like 13.00. I still have it in an old scrapbook where I kept all my ticket stubs. I think I was about 12 or 13.

My friend and I went and managed to get all mixed up on the way out and exited some random door that took us out into an alleyway.... that just happened to be where Peter's limo was, and a small group of fans who unlike us had deliberately waited there. When he came out it was nuts and people pressed their faces to the windows and some jumped on the hood. GREAT first rock concert experience! :nod:

It's funny. At 13-14 I was pretty mature and went anywhere I wanted. Glad you got to experience that too!

[Villavic]

Anyone remember Can't Stop The Music movie? ]

Oh I remember that movie, milkshake included. By that time I didn't realize they had replaced Victor Willis, the original lead singer.

Overexposure IS a thing.

Yes but sometimes they take a remedy to mitigate the saturation risk. They reinvent, dare to be different.

I know about a group who wasn't so overexposed as Bee Gees, but just in case they took a wonderful remedy against the saturation called Tusk. ;)

[HomerMcvie]

Oh I remember that movie, milkshake included. By that time I didn't realize they had replaced Victor Willis, the original lead singer.



Yes but sometimes they take a remedy to mitigate the saturation risk. They reinvent, dare to be different.

I know about a group who wasn't so overexposed as Bee Gees, but just in case they took a wonderful remedy against the saturation called Tusk. ;)

I'd argue that Hootie and Billy Ray never recovered majorly from the overexposure. Hell, the Bee Gees didn't either.

Most are only on top for a(15) minute(s). You still may have hits, but being on top is brief. For most, anyway...

[HomerMcvie]

$6!!!!!!!!

Hell, Mirage, 5th row center, was only $15!

Google says that in today's money, that $49.97 now.

What's wrong with this math?

[soul_drifter333]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnGUBk6QO0&list=RDOOnGUBk6QO0&start_radio=1

Frampton is young and adorable here. I think this might be the same Day On The Green that Fleetwood Mac played where Stevie said she and her friends got to stand at the side on the stage and watch his performance. If they professionally recorded Frampton and Lynyrd Skynyrd I can't imagine why they didn't record FM. They were young in their prime. If FM was recorded it never got released or leaked. That's a criminal offense.

[SteveMacD]

I was sick of Billy Ray Cyrus the minute he showed up.


I wanted to give him an achy breaky nose.