Fifty years ago tonight...

[Mr Scarrott]

For anyone still counting, it's now half a century since Stevie and Lindsey joined Fleetwood Mac.

[David]

A historic milestone in the history of a couple of people we know and love!

[HomerMcvie]

Dear Lindsey, aren't you sorry you insisted on a package deal?

[Mr Scarrott]

...and out of those fifty years, we got less than seven years of intense activity from that line-up, a little bit of recording for Tango and a couple of reunion tours. Such a shame.

[Villavic]

A historic milestone in the history of a couple of people we know and love!

More than a couple of people, I think.

[HomerMcvie]

More than a couple of people, I think.

I think she meant Old Goatsy and Lindsey???

[Macfan4life]

Christine's original suspicions were correct. Another woman wont work in the band.

[Villavic]

I think she meant Old Goatsy and Lindsey???

S&L joining Fleetwood Mac changed their lives. But actually it changed the lives of the rest of the band, too. And many people related to them, like Ken, Richard, John Courage, etc.

[UnwindedDreams]

...and out of those fifty years, we got less than seven years of intense activity from that line-up, a little bit of recording for Tango and a couple of reunion tours. Such a shame.
A shame to me that the last Fleetwood Mac release of new music was 11 years ago. I guess it's a miracle Extended Play was even released because Stevie refused to make a Fleetwood Mac album in 2008-2009.

But I guess 50 years ago, Stevie wanted to be where she is now at age 76, playing in front of 60,000 people...in the daylight opening for Billy Joel.

[HomerMcvie]

A shame to me that the last Fleetwood Mac release of new music was 11 years ago. I guess it's a miracle Extended Play was even released because Stevie refused to make a Fleetwood Mac album in 2008-2009.

But I guess 50 years ago, Stevie wanted to be where she is now at age 76, playing in front of 60,000 people...in the daylight opening for Billy Joel.

She most certainly didn't want to be a cleaning lady.

[bombaysaffires]

She wanted to be famous, whatever it took.... whoever's a$$ she had to kiss, whoever she had to sleep with, whoever she had to screw over, whatever loss of artistic integrity to chase trying to have a hit song...FAME. That was all she has ever wanted.

[bombaysaffires]

Christine's original suspicions were correct. Another woman wont work in the band.

ah, misogyny.

Coz Lindsey was SUCH a peach to work with......:laugh:

Sure, he helped make hits....but his ego also took over and not always to the band's artistic benefit and certainly contributed to serious tensions in the band...

Recall facts-- the tension in the band right from the get-go was NOT between Stevie and Christine, but rather between Lindsey and John, and Lindsey bossing people around and not respecting them as the talents they are.

But sure, it was the women.:shocked:

[Macfan4life]

ah, misogyny.

Coz Lindsey was SUCH a peach to work with......:laugh:

Sure, he helped make hits....but his ego also took over and not always to the band's artistic benefit and certainly contributed to serious tensions in the band...

Recall facts-- the tension in the band right from the get-go was NOT between Stevie and Christine, but rather between Lindsey and John, and Lindsey bossing people around and not respecting them as the talents they are.

But sure, it was the women.:shocked:
Don't blame me for truth telling. It would only be natural the only woman in a band would be concerned about another woman joining that plays no instrument. Fleetwood Mac never had someone like that before. Chris was the one Stevie had to win over. Once the tequila kicked in everyone was friends.
Even Stevie called herself a house cat and she was only taken because they needed a guitarist that bad. These are Stevie's words, not mine.

[SteveMacD]

Fantastic merging of two entities that had exactly what the other needed.

[bombaysaffires]

Don't blame me for truth telling. It would only be natural the only woman in a band would be concerned about another woman joining that plays no instrument. Fleetwood Mac never had someone like that before. Chris was the one Stevie had to win over. Once the tequila kicked in everyone was friends.
Even Stevie called herself a house cat and she was only taken because they needed a guitarist that bad. These are Stevie's words, not mine.

that's not what you said. you said chris was right that another woman in the band wouldn't work. Facts show otherwise.....the band became super successful with another woman in the band.

So whatever you said, it's not what you think you said. You said two women didn't work. It actually did.

[WalkAThinLine.]

The fiftieth anniversary of the White album will be July 1975, so I'm curious if another deluxe edition is planned to commemorate the event.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Fantastic merging of two entities that had exactly what the other needed.

well put. that's how i see it also.

--Lis

[dougl]

well put. that's how i see it also.

--Lis

I agree and think Christine felt that way too at the time. Always the wise one.

[BLY]

The fiftieth anniversary of the White album will be July 1975, so I'm curious if another deluxe edition is planned to commemorate the event.

I doubt it…I don’t think there is anything else to release except for maybe a live show from 1975.

[sleepless child]

I was 13 at the time Lindsey and Stevie joined the group. They certainly had an impact on my cultural life:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

She wanted to be famous, whatever it took.... whoever's a$$ she had to kiss, whoever she had to sleep with, whoever she had to screw over, whatever loss of artistic integrity to chase trying to have a hit song...FAME. That was all she has ever wanted.

Truest words ever written. Fame was her only goal.

[Mr Scarrott]

You know, what did John McVie once say.. something along the lines of "we all have egos" so it's just as well to remember that. Maybe Stevie wasn't the only one who couldn't control hers on her occasion, but it's the sour aftertaste of the denial of a perfect sunset for the band that irks a lot of us here, me included.

Steven Hopkins' comment re the merging of the two entities that had exactly what the other needed hits it on the nail for me. Oh, for a time machine to see and hear those early days of 1975 or their imperial pomp of the next few years. We got what we got. I'm grateful for that.

[Villavic]

I doubt it…I don’t think there is anything else to release except for maybe a live show from 1975.

And that would be welcome on my part, as long as it is completely unreleased material.

[jbrownsjr]

Fantastic merging of two entities that had exactly what the other needed.

Exactly my thoughts about this incarnation.

[jbrownsjr]

I believe Christine could see having both B/N in the band. She was open to it, and then when they started performing together, they all knew.

[David]

I doubt it…I don’t think there is anything else to release except for maybe a live show from 1975.

I’m all for some more 1975–76 live audio. The Trod Nossel Studios radio concert would be ideal. Yes, we’ve heard the bootleg, but it’s a lengthy, complete, and clear audio that would benefit from some remastering, and it showcases the band that first year sounding absolutely gorgeous. Instruments are on point, vocals are classic harmonizing, tempos are perfect, audience applause is miniscule. The small studio makes for a great sound field, and I still consider the “World Turning” the best from the early years.

I think the date of the in-studio show was Oct. 23, 1975.

The only thing better would be a show with some of the oddball inclusions, like “Frozen Love” or “Sunny Side of Heaven.”

[dougl]

The only thing better would be a show with some of the oddball inclusions, like “Frozen Love” or “Sunny Side of Heaven.”

And “Crystal”

[jbrownsjr]

I’m all for some more 1975–76 live audio. The Trod Nossel Studios radio concert would be ideal. Yes, we’ve heard the bootleg, but it’s a lengthy, complete, and clear audio that would benefit from some remastering, and it showcases the band that first year sounding absolutely gorgeous. Instruments are on point, vocals are classic harmonizing, tempos are perfect, audience applause is miniscule. The small studio makes for a great sound field, and I still consider the “World Turning” the best from the early years.

I think the date of the in-studio show was Oct. 23, 1975.

The only thing better would be a show with some of the oddball inclusions, like “Frozen Love” or “Sunny Side of Heaven.”

I think there's a Warm Ways out there, too. Or is that during Rumours?

[aleuzzi]

Exactly my thoughts about this incarnation.

Absolutely to you and SteveMacD. Whatever they are now hardly matters. Fact is, if that milestone never occurred, most of us wouldn’t even think about FM. This website certainly wouldn’t exist. All five were necessary for the chemistry to be as potent as it was—and still is when we listen to the songs.

That said, my third favorite FM record is Kiln House. Good night.

[Villavic]

Absolutely to you and SteveMacD. Whatever they are now hardly matters. Fact is, if that milestone never occurred, most of us wouldn’t even think about FM. This website certainly wouldn’t exist. All five were necessary for the chemistry to be as potent as it was—and still is when we listen to the songs.
.

Agree 1,000 %

[jbrownsjr]

Absolutely to you and SteveMacD. Whatever they are now hardly matters. Fact is, if that milestone never occurred, most of us wouldn’t even think about FM. This website certainly wouldn’t exist. All five were necessary for the chemistry to be as potent as it was—and still is when we listen to the songs.

That said, my third favorite FM record is Kiln House. Good night.

Fweetwood Mac. As the brits call themselves.

[HomerMcvie]

Fweetwood Mac. As the brits call themselves.

^^^
"I'll have what he's having".

[jbrownsjr]

^^^
"I'll have what he's having".

Everyone wants what I'm having. :D

[HomerMcvie]

Everyone wants what I'm having. :D

I found that you can buy that book lube by the gallon. :p

[jbrownsjr]

I found that you can buy that book lube by the gallon. :p

Was it something from above? AH HA HA HA

[HomerMcvie]

Was it something from above? AH HA HA HA

Tell me who wrote the Book Lube of Love...

[jbrownsjr]

Tell me who wrote the Book Lube of Love...

I was thinking Book of Lube. But, then I'm better at this than you. (sicker in the head)

[HomerMcvie]

I was thinking Book of Lube. But, then I'm better at this than you. (sicker in the head)

Oh, I doubt that.

I fired up an old computer last night, and discovered TONS of........videos, that I'd forgotten about. Put them all on a thumb drive, and have them on the newer machine now!:wavey:

[Villavic]

That reminds me I had several MiniDV cassettes from early 2000s, that never transfered to digital files. I lost many home videos from parties and trips.

[HomerMcvie]

That reminds me I had several MiniDV cassettes from early 2000s, that never transfered to digital files. I lost many home videos from parties and trips.

These aren't homemade videos. Those are on VHS.:cool::lol:

These are from the golden age of file sharing sites. You could find almost ANYTHING on there. I kept getting viruses from the downloads, so I eventually stopped. But man, there was some good stuff!!!;):cool::angel:

[Mr Scarrott]

Reviving the 50th anniversary theme:

the first concert outing for Fleetwood Mac #10 half a century ago tonight in El Paso.

https://glidemagazine.com/video/50-years-ago-today-lindsey-buckingham-and-stevie-nicks-play-first-live-show-with-fleetwood-mac/

Have any contemporary newspaper reviews of that first gig emerged?

[Macfan4life]

Reviving the 50th anniversary theme:

the first concert outing for Fleetwood Mac #10 half a century ago tonight in El Paso.

https://glidemagazine.com/video/50-years-ago-today-lindsey-buckingham-and-stevie-nicks-play-first-live-show-with-fleetwood-mac/

Have any contemporary newspaper reviews of that first gig emerged?
Wow, really something. I wish I could go back and see this tour especially this early on. They were about to take off with rocket fuel. In 1975 they were playing small towns, small theaters and colleges. The following year they were on a stadium tour with the Eagles, had a #1 album and Rumours was not even released yet.

[WalkAThinLine.]

Reviving the 50th anniversary theme:

the first concert outing for Fleetwood Mac #10 half a century ago tonight in El Paso.

https://glidemagazine.com/video/50-years-ago-today-lindsey-buckingham-and-stevie-nicks-play-first-live-show-with-fleetwood-mac/

Have any contemporary newspaper reviews of that first gig emerged?

The fidelity is not terrific, but I found this, which was released before the concert.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/abilene-reporter-news-british-rock-group/172466291/

[Mr Scarrott]

The fidelity is not terrific, but I found this, which was released before the concert.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/abilene-reporter-news-british-rock-group/172466291/

Great find, thanks!

"Miss Nicks provides a second female vocalist to the band, giving the group an even more special sound than before" does sound rather prescient.

[aleuzzi]

The fidelity is not terrific, but I found this, which was released before the concert.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/abilene-reporter-news-british-rock-group/172466291/

Five-six dollar tickets! Ah, the 70s….

[HomerMcvie]

Five-six dollar tickets! Ah, the 70s….

My 5th row center Mirage ticket was $15. One of the top 10 nights of my entire life.

[WalkAThinLine.]

It's interesting that the newspaper lists Stevie's contributions as vocals, guitar, and percussion. To my understanding, she didn't play guitar with the band in any capacity other than a rehearsal during the Rumours Tour when she attempted to play the acoustic guitar part on "Go Your Own Way". I'm curious if there were plans for her to play guitar onstage, but this never panned out. Alternatively, this could simply be a mistake from the publication.

[Macfan4life]

It's interesting that the newspaper lists Stevie's contributions as vocals, guitar, and percussion. To my understanding, she didn't play guitar with the band in any capacity other than a rehearsal during the Rumours Tour when she attempted to play the acoustic guitar part on "Go Your Own Way". I'm curious if there were plans for her to play guitar onstage, but this never panned out. Alternatively, this could simply be a mistake from the publication.
I could be wrong but I believe she did strum some guitar on the early tour and I believe there are photos. Of course it was mostly fluff but it gave them the idea that maybe, just maybe she could handle the acoustic part of GYOW which did not work out.

[Villavic]

I never read about her playing guitar in shows. But after reading these posts, I found this pic; the Pinterest legend says A rare photo of Stevie playing the guitar onstage.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/d3/73/ed/d373edfabbac8e9f976f88f30b3ab1db.jpg

How accurate is that statement, or when and where was taken, I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong, but to qualify them as "contributions" would imply more important, frequent role. I would say they were more kind of spontaneous moments. Even if they were planned, they were like when John sang Say You Love me in 1997.

[HomerMcvie]

I play both guitar and keyboards, and let me tell you, guitar is more difficult!

So..... imagine her guitar playing, after we've heard her keyboard playing. :lol:

[Macfan4life]

I never read about her playing guitar in shows. But after reading these posts, I found this pic; the Pinterest legend says A rare photo of Stevie playing the guitar onstage.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/d3/73/ed/d373edfabbac8e9f976f88f30b3ab1db.jpg

How accurate is that statement, or when and where was taken, I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong, but to qualify them as "contributions" would imply more important, frequent role. I would say they were more kind of spontaneous moments. Even if they were planned, they were like when John sang Say You Love me in 1997.
Growing up there were all sort of photos of her playing acoustic guitar on stage before the tambourine took over.
Consult Mick's book because something tells me something was in one of his books about finding her something to do on stage. It was not until rehearsing for the Rumours tour that you would never see an acoustic guitar in her hands again :lol:

[Penguin Emeritus]

I never read about her playing guitar in shows. But after reading these posts, I found this pic; the Pinterest legend says A rare photo of Stevie playing the guitar onstage.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/d3/73/ed/d373edfabbac8e9f976f88f30b3ab1db.jpg

How accurate is that statement, or when and where was taken, I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong, but to qualify them as "contributions" would imply more important, frequent role. I would say they were more kind of spontaneous moments. Even if they were planned, they were like when John sang Say You Love me in 1997.

He sang on that song for the whole tour though, every time they did that song. i don't think stevie ever played a guitar onstage more than a few times..?

--Lis

[Macfan4life]

So there is no truth to the rumor that Stevie taught Nancy Wilson Crazy On You on acoustic guitar?

[Villavic]

Consult Mick's book because something tells me something was in one of his books about finding her something to do on stage. It was not until rehearsing for the Rumours tour that you would never see an acoustic guitar in her hands again :lol:

I didn't find anything about her playing guitar on stage in Mick's first book, but I did find about some reviews the band got during that first tour.

And so we labored, through that whole autumn, pushing our record in every college town in America. Or so it seemed. There were some pretty rough times for the whole band, but Stevie Nicks especially went through a period of anxiety and self-doubt after getting some pretty heavy negative reviews. This was a new band to the critics as well, and we were consequently reviewed as if we were unknown. Rolling Stone said that Stevie's singing was "callow," and many reviews said something like ". . . the raucous voice of Stevie Nicks and the golden-throated Christine McVie, who's the only good thing this band has left."

Imagine if critics had commented on her playing guitar on stage.

[Macfan4life]

I didn't find anything about her playing guitar on stage in Mick's first book, but I did find about some reviews the band got during that first tour.

And so we labored, through that whole autumn, pushing our record in every college town in America. Or so it seemed. There were some pretty rough times for the whole band, but Stevie Nicks especially went through a period of anxiety and self-doubt after getting some pretty heavy negative reviews. This was a new band to the critics as well, and we were consequently reviewed as if we were unknown. Rolling Stone said that Stevie's singing was "callow," and many reviews said something like ". . . the raucous voice of Stevie Nicks and the golden-throated Christine McVie, who's the only good thing this band has left."

Imagine if critics had commented on her playing guitar on stage.
My hunch is that is why she picked up the guitar. People were confused who is this woman at the center of the stage. Having a guitar under her arm made her appear more purposeful and it would have been her anxiety blanket.
But calm down, it would not be long that she could play the hell out of that tambourine off beat better than anyone.

[Villavic]

But calm down, it would not be long that she could play the hell out of that tambourine off beat better than anyone.

A very unfair comment. It is well known that she taught Phil and Roger how to play the tambourine.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuQernLVAAAnAh9.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGRfB_PQGO2VTHWA1dNxGxxnzAbz_U9W4ycQ&s

[Macfan4life]

A very unfair comment. It is well known that she taught Phil and Roger how to play the tambourine.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuQernLVAAAnAh9.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGRfB_PQGO2VTHWA1dNxGxxnzAbz_U9W4ycQ&s
To be fair we've had dueling tambourines on the Fleetwood Mac stage during Eyes of the World in 1982. One person hit the beat every time while the other one was off beat every other time and waved it around. I won't mention any names ;)

[David]

I’m not sure that Stevie ever actually played any rhythm guitar onstage. Perhaps she did on the first tour. But what song would that have been? “Blue Letter” and “Sunny Side of Heaven” are the only two possible songs I can imagine her strumming along with. All the others require a level of more advanced coordination.

But Christine’s print interview with Contemporary Keyboard provides an indirect clue:

She isn’t a great [keyboard] player, but what she plays you can elaborate on. Still, I think she should play onstage. She’s getting better all the time, and if she would play piano on one song, it would be *** great! Then she’d be known as a musician as well as just a singer.

Lindsey is a master at leaving space and punctuating empty stretches with power chorded downstrokes for rhythmic effect. I don’t think he would have ever wanted Stevie lamely filling in holes with her inorganic strumming.

I think the story that Ray Lindsey told is that he was brought in to back Lindsey on “Go Your Own Way” specifically because Stevie wasn’t doing it correctly in a rehearsal.

[HomerMcvie]

I’m not sure that Stevie ever actually played any rhythm guitar onstage. Perhaps she did on the first tour. But what song would that have been? “Blue Letter” and “Sunny Side of Heaven” are the only two possible songs I can imagine her strumming along with. All the others require a level of more advanced coordination.

But Christine’s print interview with Contemporary Keyboard provides an indirect clue:



Lindsey is a master at leaving space and punctuating empty stretches with power chorded downstrokes for rhythmic effect. I don’t think he would have ever wanted Stevie lamely filling in holes with her inorganic strumming.

I think the story that Ray Lindsey told is that he was brought in to back Lindsey on “Go Your Own Way” specifically because Stevie wasn’t doing it correctly in a rehearsal.

The GYOW acoustic part isn't super easy, so IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE for Stevie to play. She's a "sit stoned at a party and try to accompany yourself" kind of gal.