Sheryl working with Stevie on new song

[sleepless child]

https://twitter.com/Nickslive/status/1783475879772885158?t=5l_9_72O5guka_0pGBli-A&s=19

[mitzo]

One song. OK.

[UnwindedDreams]

One song. OK.
mitzo, it’s an album! Remember Sheryl was a producer on TISL.

[Jondalar]

Sheryl seems thrilled.... not

[HomerMcvie]

Sheryl seems thrilled.... not

THE WORLD knows there ain't no art emitting from this pile... for 41 years now... laurels city.

[Macfan4life]

She should do something different. She should cover Hell's Bells by AC DC.
Waddy loves that song too.

[Jondalar]

THE WORLD knows there ain't no art emitting from this pile... for 41 years now... laurels city.

Can you imagine weeding through Stevie's gibberish and trying to turn it into a song? The song probably contains thousands of words of pure nonsense.

[mitzo]

mitzo, it’s an album! Remember Sheryl was a producer on TISL.

Not an album, I bet. And I disliked Sheryl's production of Stevie on TISL.

[bombaysaffires]

https://twitter.com/Nickslive/status/1783475879772885158?t=5l_9_72O5guka_0pGBli-A&s=19

I love how Sheryl says that "Stevie only works at night" and therefore she shows up at like 7pm and then of course stays up all night, doesn't get up the next day til 2pm. But she, Sheryl, "I get up at 6am with my kids" which forces her to juggle her life and working with Stevie's schedule.... because OF COURSE Stevie won't change HER schedule, not even considering someone has children or a family or whatever else in THEIR lives that makes it hard for them to just flip their work hours around to match hers. Doesn't matter... she's a LEGEND dammit, and everyone must bend to her wishes. Reminds me of her (and her posse) showing up at Harry Styles' and listening to his new album and then not only telling him all the ways she'd have done things differently but then staying all freaking night while he, exhausted, kept trying to figure how to get her the hell out so he could go to bed.

[UnwindedDreams]

I love how Sheryl says that "Stevie only works at night" and therefore she shows up at like 7pm and then of course stays up all night, doesn't get up the next day til 2pm. But she, Sheryl, "I get up at 6am with my kids" which forces her to juggle her life and working with Stevie's schedule.... because OF COURSE Stevie won't change HER schedule, not even considering someone has children or a family or whatever else in THEIR lives that makes it hard for them to just flip their work hours around to match hers. Doesn't matter... she's a LEGEND dammit, and everyone must bend to her wishes. Reminds me of her (and her posse) showing up at Harry Styles' and listening to his new album and then not only telling him all the ways she'd have done things differently but then staying all freaking night while he, exhausted, kept trying to figure how to get her the hell out so he could go to bed.
In a 2017 interview, Stevie said Lindsey has us(FM) rehearse at 2:00pm so we can finish for him to go home to have dinner with his family and I’m like are you kidding? I can sleep until 4pm.
But when you’re the star of the band, the law is you get fired if you don’t do what the star asks.

[UnwindedDreams]

Not an album, I bet. And I disliked Sheryl's production of Stevie on TISL. It will be an album. Stevie learned with Show Them The Way that singles or dropping a one-off new song doesn’t work. She’ll go the way she likes to do it with tv appearances and a tour.

[blinker12]

Haven’t we heard over the past few years that she is working on stuff with Greg Kurstin and Dave Stewart? The Kurstin talk was a few years ago and may have just been the cover of FWIW, but Stewart was back in December:

https://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com/2023/12/dave-stewart-and-stevie-nicks-potential.html

I wonder if she IS cobbling an album together with multiple producers, a la TISL.

[UnwindedDreams]

Haven’t we heard over the past few years that she is working on stuff with Greg Kurstin and Dave Stewart? The Kurstin talk was a few years ago and may have just been the cover of FWIW, but Stewart was back in December:

https://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com/2023/12/dave-stewart-and-stevie-nicks-potential.html

I wonder if she IS cobbling an album together with multiple producers, a la TISL.
Kurstin co-wrote and produced Show Them The Way; Stewart played guitar on it. In 2022, she said she had recorded her best song that she's written and also that she had recorded songs with Greg Kurstin and she gave the titles. And then in December 2023 that interview with Stewart came out.
Could be she is doing what she did with TISL. Kind of weird she wouldn't have had an album out before the tour she's been on since May 2022 that's now going to be a world tour!

[BLY]

I would love another studio album from Stevie. Julia needs to be included along with a couple other songs from her “vault”. I think Sheryl Crow did a fine job on TISL. It was a definite comeback album for her in many ways. If she is going to do another “Rock” album NOW is the time to release it.

[Jondalar]

It will be an album. Stevie learned with Show Them The Way that singles or dropping a one-off new song doesn’t work. She’ll go the way she likes to do it with tv appearances and a tour.

She is not going to get big sales no matter what, so what does it matter? She can't be doing this for sales. That part of her life is over.

[bombaysaffires]

She is not going to get big sales no matter what, so what does it matter? She can't be doing this for sales. That part of her life is over.

I don't understand her premise.....:eek:

[Villavic]

THE WORLD knows there ain't no art emitting from this pile... for 41 years now... laurels city.

I seriously doubt the world knows that.

[Jondalar]

So I'm thinking that Sheryl Crow is working on putting the poem Stevie wrote on Taylor Swift's album to music. It all fits. She'll use it to tie herself to Taylor even more.

[HomerMcvie]

So I'm thinking that Sheryl Crow is working on putting the poem Stevie wrote on Taylor Swift's album to music. It all fits. She'll use it to tie herself to Taylor even more.

She'll attach her rusty trailer hitch to Taylor's bumper with duct tape, if that's her only shot at eeking out 20 more seconds of stardom.

[UnwindedDreams]

So I'm thinking that Sheryl Crow is working on putting the poem Stevie wrote on Taylor Swift's album to music. It all fits. She'll use it to tie herself to Taylor even more.
She could be doing that. That poem was written in September 2023 according to the way it appears in Taylor's album.

Sheryl said the song that she's working on now was written by Stevie a few years ago. It's interesting that she's talking about the work she's doing with Stevie publicly.

[Jondalar]

She'll attach her rusty trailer hitch to Taylor's bumper with duct tape, if that's her only shot at eeking out 20 more seconds of stardom.

It's embarrassing - it really is.

[WatchChain]

Perhaps we will finally see a proper studio recording of "Julia" or "Space Needle".

[secret love]

She is not going to get big sales no matter what, so what does it matter? She can't be doing this for sales. That part of her life is over.

In Your Dreams album sold over 300,000 copies. Yes, how pathetic.

LOL!

Do you know how many bands would kill to sell 300,000 copies of their albums?

[secret love]

I seriously doubt the world knows that.

If the world knew it, she wouldn't still sell out arenas or be recording at all, even singles

[Jondalar]

In Your Dreams album sold over 300,000 copies. Yes, how pathetic.

LOL!

Do you know how many bands would kill to sell 300,000 copies of their albums?

It's not gold. Not too good for a supposed legend and that was years ago. She hasn't had a gold album since TISL and that wqs over 20 years ago.

[UnwindedDreams]

In Your Dreams album sold over 300,000 copies. Do you know how many bands would kill to sell 300,000 copies of their albums?
I know. Did it sell that many? I remember in 2012, she expressed her sadness that it sold 100,000 copies for a "star like moi".

I still want to know how many downloads of Show Them The Way there were. She did a lot of print interviews for its release and CBS New Sunday Morning. People said it was in the top 10 of iTunes download on the day of release but what does that mean? 100,000 downloads?

[BigAl84]

I hope it's not an album because it sounds like it will be an album with multiple different producers working on different tracks - an approach that she still insists doing, yet always proves problematic for her.

[BigAl84]

Its hilarious how much she REALLY wants mega commercial success, but unwilling to let go of her ego enough let a producer like Jack Antonoff take her table scraps and completely reinvent them into something. She's got this small circle of people she keeps coming back to because they know how to tiptoe around her. I wonder if she's using any of Mike Campbell's tracks that she was too busy to even send a "Thanks" in return.

[UnwindedDreams]

Its hilarious how much she REALLY wants mega commercial success, but unwilling to let go of her ego enough let a producer like Jack Antonoff take her table scraps and completely reinvent them into something. She's got this small circle of people she keeps coming back to because they know how to tiptoe around her. I wonder if she's using any of Mike Campbell's tracks that she was too busy to even send a "Thanks" in return.
The other big producer is Andrew Watt. I believe he produced the classic Stolen Car duet with Elton but of course that was Elton’s song which she featured on. The kid is good. Macca, Ozzy, Elton, Lenny Kravitz, and Eddie Vedder love him.

[BigAl84]

Oh, it's no doubt that he's a great producer. It's just that his mileage will vary greatly when it comes to Stevie and her demos.

[Straightback]

Its hilarious how much she REALLY wants mega commercial success, but unwilling to let go of her ego enough let a producer like Jack Antonoff take her table scraps and completely reinvent them into something. She's got this small circle of people she keeps coming back to because they know how to tiptoe around her. I wonder if she's using any of Mike Campbell's tracks that she was too busy to even send a "Thanks" in return.

Agreed. Brings me back to "Twisted" which has always been a peculiarity to me. I thought Lindsey did a great job with the song for the "Twister" soundtrack. It was like BuckinghamNicks.2. Then we heard she hated what he did to the song which always flummoxed me, especially when we were given not, one but two reworked versions approved by her, which (in my humble opinion) sucked buffalo chips. I'm largely intrigued and confused by what she envisions her work to become. "Gypsy" is another one. Listening to the early demos, its a nice enough rocker, but had Lindsey not molded it into the classic it became it would have easily fallen into the "nice-but-easily-forgotten" basket. I often wonder what other classics of her's with Lindsey's fingerprints on them she secretly begrudges but holds her tongue because they form the foundation of her legendary songwriting status.

[HomerMcvie]

Agreed. Brings me back to "Twisted" which has always been a peculiarity to me. I thought Lindsey did a great job with the song for the "Twister" soundtrack. It was like BuckinghamNicks.2. Then we heard she hated what he did to the song which always flummoxed me, especially when we were given not, one but two reworked versions approved by her, which (in my humble opinion) sucked buffalo chips. I'm largely intrigued and confused by what she envisions her work to become. "Gypsy" is another one. Listening to the early demos, its a nice enough rocker, but had Lindsey not molded it into the classic it became it would have easily fallen into the "nice-but-easily-forgotten" basket. I often wonder what other classics of her's with Lindsey's fingerprints on them she secretly begrudges but holds her tongue because they form the foundation of her legendary songwriting status.

LEGENDARY song writing status?..... that's ALL Lindsey. She scribbles some gibberish, and is LEGENDARY?:laugh:

[secret love]

It's not gold. Not too good for a supposed legend and that was years ago. She hasn't had a gold album since TISL and that wqs over 20 years ago.

As an independent musician, I would give my left testicle to sell 300,000 copies of my latest album. Just sayin'!

[secret love]

I know. Did it sell that many? I remember in 2012, she expressed her sadness that it sold 100,000 copies for a "star like moi".

I still want to know how many downloads of Show Them The Way there were. She did a lot of print interviews for its release and CBS New Sunday Morning. People said it was in the top 10 of iTunes download on the day of release but what does that mean? 100,000 downloads?

I think it was a 2013 interview (it's on YouTube probably), Stevie said "it (IYD album) probably sold like what, 300,000 copies, not that many copies, but I personally sold every one" (I'm paraphrasing)

Oh, it's no doubt that he's a great producer. It's just that his mileage will vary greatly when it comes to Stevie and her demos.

Stevie's great weakness is and always has been since she started writing songs, that she cannot write good music - yes, she writes iconic lyrics like Rhiannon, Landslide, Silver Springs, etc - but her piano playing and guitar playing is... a bit s-h-i-t. I'm sorry to her fans (of which I am one), but the woman cannot play to save her life. She can accompany herself as a solo performer but not in the way Lindsey did with his One Man Show, etc, no - Stevie will never come close to that.

As such she relies too heavily on other musicians and electronic producers like Dave Stewart. If she had just focused on playing her instrument better back when she was still playing guitar and piano and not just using them as a writing tool for songwriting (this was only a brief period in her very early career)... maybe she could put out new songs now without paying Dave Stewart, Greg Kurstin and Sheryl Crow the megabucks.

Just my 2 cents.

[Jondalar]

I think it was a 2013 interview (it's on YouTube probably), Stevie said "it (IYD album) probably sold like what, 300,000 copies, not that many copies, but I personally sold every one" (I'm paraphrasing)



Stevie's great weakness is and always has been since she started writing songs, that she cannot write good music - yes, she writes iconic lyrics like Rhiannon, Landslide, Silver Springs, etc - but her piano playing and guitar playing is... a bit s-h-i-t. I'm sorry to her fans (of which I am one), but the woman cannot play to save her life. She can accompany herself as a solo performer but not in the way Lindsey did with his One Man Show, etc, no - Stevie will never come close to that.

As such she relies too heavily on other musicians and electronic producers like Dave Stewart. If she had just focused on playing her instrument better back when she was still playing guitar and piano and not just using them as a writing tool for songwriting (this was only a brief period in her very early career)... maybe she could put out new songs now without paying Dave Stewart, Greg Kurstin and Sheryl Crow the megabucks.

Just my 2 cents.

I liked the raw production of 24 karat gold, but after hearing For What's Worth, I think Greg Kurstin is her best producer. The production was perfetion and her voice sounds great on that track. She hadn't sounded better since 1987. As far as Sheryl Crow is concerned, I liked her production, but John Shanks production was better. The production on the title track TISL is perfection. However, I really liked Crow's middle-eastern experimentation on some of tracks but those versions never saw the light of day. I think if TISL had that middle-eastern flair it would of made the album a lot more interesting.

[Jondalar]

LEGENDARY song writing status?..... that's ALL Lindsey. She scribbles some gibberish, and is LEGENDARY?:laugh:

I agree. In the beginning she tried a lot harder and she did write some really good songs, but now it's jut per gibberish - pig latin on steroids.

[BigAl84]

Agreed. Brings me back to "Twisted" which has always been a peculiarity to me. I thought Lindsey did a great job with the song for the "Twister" soundtrack. It was like BuckinghamNicks.2. Then we heard she hated what he did to the song which always flummoxed me, especially when we were given not, one but two reworked versions approved by her, which (in my humble opinion) sucked buffalo chips. I'm largely intrigued and confused by what she envisions her work to become. "Gypsy" is another one. Listening to the early demos, its a nice enough rocker, but had Lindsey not molded it into the classic it became it would have easily fallen into the "nice-but-easily-forgotten" basket. I often wonder what other classics of her's with Lindsey's fingerprints on them she secretly begrudges but holds her tongue because they form the foundation of her legendary songwriting status.

She's convinced herself more and more in the past 10-15 years that her demos are absolutely amazing and that anybody producing her should stick as closely to the demo as possible. The decision to redo Twisted for 24k Gold was probably made with the same mindset. She actually removed the most interesting parts of the song and made it one overly repetitive, lengthy mess. The same goes for "My Heart"

Did she have negative criticism about Twisted shortly after it was released on the soundtrack?

[UnwindedDreams]

Did she have negative criticism about Twisted shortly after it was released on the soundtrack?
I don't recall. She switched up the beginning of the song in her 1996 songs but the demo sounds nothing like the 96 live version and the 2014 version sounds nothing like the 96 live version. In her 1996 concerts, she also sang that great line "I know, you know..."

It'd be great if Stevie had an album of brand new songs and not demos!

[BombaySapphire3]

It'd be great if Stevie had an album of brand new songs and not demos!

What she should do is have all of her younger musical artist fans write her one song each for a new album like Taylor,Harry , Brandi,the Haim sisters,GAGA ETC. it would have to be more interesting than whatever unlistenable gobbletegook she could come up with at this point.

[Villavic]

Did she have negative criticism about Twisted shortly after it was released on the soundtrack?

I recall she commented that the song was not appreciated in the movie, actually it was difficult to hear it during the scene.
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[UnwindedDreams]

Look at this WONDERFUL setlist Stevie played at a festival in Charlotte last night. Wow... Rock and Roll - just amazing!!! For What It's Worth by The Buffalo Springfield...just ingenuous. This is her best solo setlist.

Rock and Roll
Outside the Rain
Dreams
If Anyone Falls
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
Gypsy
For What It's Worth (The Buffalo Springfield cover)
Stand Back
Wild Heart
Bella Donna
Gold Dust Woman
Leather and Lace
Edge of Seventeen
Free Fallin'
Rhiannon
Landslide

[BigAl84]

Look at this WONDERFUL setlist Stevie played at a festival in Charlotte last night. Wow... Rock and Roll - just amazing!!! For What It's Worth by The Buffalo Springfield...just ingenuous. This is her best solo setlist.

Rock and Roll
Outside the Rain
Dreams
If Anyone Falls
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
Gypsy
For What It's Worth (The Buffalo Springfield cover)
Stand Back
Wild Heart
Bella Donna
Gold Dust Woman
Leather and Lace
Edge of Seventeen
Free Fallin'
Rhiannon
Landslide

Wow...essentially opening and closing your set with covers. I got nothing.

[bombaysaffires]

I always feel it's kinda disrespectful to Mike to do the Buffalo Springfield "For What It's Worth' rather than the FWIW she cowrote with Mike...ya know? Esp after she went on about 'how great' it was and 'one her best songs evah' etc etc etc......and then, welp, it didn't sell bucketloads so.....into the dustbin

[HomerMcvie]

I always feel it's kinda disrespectful to Mike to do the Buffalo Springfield "For What It's Worth' rather than the FWIW she cowrote with Mike...ya know? Esp after she went on about 'how great' it was and 'one her best songs evah' etc etc etc......and then, welp, it didn't sell bucketloads so.....into the dustbin

Well, Stevie's a "numbers kind of gal"!

[Macfan4life]

Tom Petty died almost 7 years ago. She's still doing the tribute?
I was watching a Heart concert and Nancy did the most wonderful tribute to Eddie Van Halen. They used to tour together and the Wilson sisters would hang out with the Van Halen brothers. Nancy's tribute was just a song with no photoshopped photos, no long intro. Nancy did not make it about herself. When I saw it, I was like this is how you tribute someone in a concert set. Eddie told Nancy that he loved how she played acoustic guitar. She told him he should play more but Eddie said he did not have an acoustic guitar on the road so Nancy gave him one. One night Eddie called her and played her a song he wrote on the acoustic guitar. Nancy wrote a song based on his song. And guess what, its only 2 minutes long. Very touching story. Authentic. No floating posters behind her. And it was over.
Stevie, this is how you do a tribute.

[UnwindedDreams]

Wow...essentially opening and closing your set with covers. I got nothing.
She has a show tonight in St. Louis so hopefully she'll open with Trouble in Shangri-La. Or maybe it'll be Face The Promise, Crash Into Me, and You Wreck Me in the setlist tonight.

[UnwindedDreams]

Stevie has played three shows this month and her setlist isn't refreshed from previous legs. She used to play I Sing For The Things, Sara, and Fall From Grace. All of those three songs are gone. She's doing Leather and Lace now, and the covers: Free Fallin', Rock and Roll, and For What It's Worth. I guess it'll be like this until she can't perform on stage anymore. This sucks for a Stevie fan who knows her entire catalogue.