Neil Finn on Fleetwood Mac internal politics

[tango87]

From a new interview in Mojo magazine with Neil Finn:

Did joining Fleetwood Mac surprise you?
I was gobsmacked. I was 60 and I’d had a wonderfully diverse musical life when Mick called and said, “We’ve got rid of Lindsey, would you play with us?” I’d just done Lightsleeper with Liam so he had a vested interest in me not doing it, but he said, “Give it a shot,” so I auditioned.

What? Neil Finn auditioned?
It’s the only audition I’ve ever done. I went to Hawaii and Mick spent an hour telling me it wasn’t an audition, but it was. I was auditioning them too: I wasn’t sure it was the right thing, I was quite conflicted, but I liked the people and the welcome was universal.

What did you bring?
The naysayers said, “No Lindsey Buckingham, no Fleetwood Mac,” but I brought personality and the ability to sing with Stevie and Christine. I could never be capable of sounding like Lindsey but I put a similar intensity into his songs.

Any contact with Lindsey?
No, but I’d really like to have a dinner with him. There’s a lot of ill-will, but I don’t think he bears any towards me and I do think he had prior appreciation of the music I‘d made. Hopefully, once he got over the massive disappointment, he’d have thought, “At least someone with something going for them is singing my songs.”

Who’s running Fleetwood Mac these days?
It doesn’t currently exist, but when I was there Mick carried the flag. He always has and he’s the heart and soul. Yet Stevie’s the leader in many ways, because Stevie wants it the way Stevie wants it and that’s the way it’ll be. She couldn’t bear to be in a band with Lindsey any more, but she still wanted to do it exactly the way he would have. It was more difficult for Mike Campbell: she was really happy with the way it sounded between me and her, but she put a lot of pressure on Mike to be more like Lindsey. Sometimes Mike’s solos would go on and Stevie would get exhausted playing tambourine. She’d be, “F***ing hell, Lindsey only did 12 bars!”

Notable parts for me: Mick saying 'We've got rid of Lindsey' (sounds awfully like a firing to me...), and 'She couldn’t bear to be in a band with Lindsey any more, but she still wanted to do it exactly the way he would have.' - I call that having your cake and eating it...



https://www.mojo4music.com/magazine/latest-issues/mojo-367-june-2024-kate-bush/ (Great article on Kate Bush too, for those of you who have taste.)

[jbrownsjr]

And I'd heard RUMOURS that she was giving Mike a hard time. I didn't really believe my source, at the time. I didn't believe Stevie was that much of a moron... :lol:

[Villavic]

-Got rid of Lindsey... that phrase always makes me quite upset

-He auditioned. Interesting, Mick used to say Nobody ever auditioned for Fleetwood Mac, and that's one of the reasons nothing ordinary ever happened to this band. Well he may be right cause I think nothing extraordinary happened in that tour.

-So she still wanted to do it exactly the way Lindsey would have. Now quite upset is an expression that falls short of what it makes me feel.

Well Fleetwood Mac not only doesn’t currently exist, it doesn't exist since 2018, or maybe before.

[HomerMcvie]

And I'd heard RUMOURS that she was giving Mike a hard time. I didn't really believe my source, at the time. I didn't believe Stevie was that much of a moron... :lol:

If Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

And yes, she's a complete moron.

Please don't let FM ever reunite. Ever.

[BLY]

I’m a huge Neil Finn and Crowded House fan. I have all their music. Neil does some great studio work that always reminded me a bit of Lindsey. However, my two worlds collided and I could not bring myself to going to that tour.

[UnwindedDreams]

Oh my goodness. This answered everything.
I like Neil saying he’d like to meet Lindsey. Lindsey plays Neil’s music on the speakers at his shows.
And it’s true Stevie told Mike to play like Lindsey. And Neil confirmed I’m Not The Boss is The Boss even if Mick carries the flag.

[UnwindedDreams]

I’m a huge Neil Finn and Crowded House fan. I have all their music. Neil does some great studio work that always reminded me a bit of Lindsey. However, my two worlds collided and I could not bring myself to going to that tour.
Isn’t worlds colliding a Crowded House? Seven Worlds Collide… maybe it’s Distant Sun?

[BLY]

Isn’t worlds colliding a Crowded House? Seven Worlds Collide… maybe it’s Distant Sun?

Yes lyrics from Distant Sun….one of my favorite CH tracks.

[Macfan4life]

Are people new here? People commenting with surprise that Mick said they got rid of Lindsey. Is that not what he always said?

Nothing new here. Even the part that Stevie is the leader "in many ways' is not really new. She controlled this band post Dance and when Christine came back went for the jugular and became a female version of Saddam Hussein.

[Villavic]

Are people new here? People commenting with surprise that Mick said they got rid of Lindsey. Is that not what he always said?


Not surprised at all. That's why I said that phrase always makes me quite upset.

But it's interesting to read Finn's perceptions of being there and the band was managed.

[UnwindedDreams]

Not surprised at all. That's why I said that phrase always makes me quite upset.

But it's interesting to read Finn's perceptions of being there and the band was managed.
I think Neil’s going to be forced to walk back his comments with a statement saying how amazing Stevie was and such a team player who thought Mike was the best guitar player to be in Fleetwood Mac with her.

Mick always said we had to part ways but I think he said that “out of respect for Lindsey.”
It seems the band was reading social media to see “No LB, No FM” but the answer to that is “highest grossing tour”…. Since On With The Show

[Macfan4life]

I think Neil’s going to be forced to walk back his comments with a statement saying how amazing Stevie was and such a team player who thought Mike was the best guitar player to be in Fleetwood Mac with her.

Mick always said we had to part ways but I think he said that “out of respect for Lindsey.”
It seems the band was reading social media to see “No LB, No FM” but the answer to that is “highest grossing tour”…. Since On With The Show
Nah, Neil knows Fleetwood Mac is toast and he wont be working with them again.

Can I just say (again) what a joke it was when Mick said Neil and Mike were not "replacement" guitarists and were permanent members of the band to tour and make new music with.
I think Mick was trying out his new standup routine with that one :lol:

What a sad ending.
But they all made big money because $tevie stayed and toured. THAT'S what matters!

These statements dont mean anything to me. I want the juicy stuff like WHO Fleetwood Mac auditioned but did not make the cut. How did Billy know about Lindsey's firing before it was public?
Its just my opinion but I believe the Mac would not hire Billy without Rick. That would be such an odd thing to do. Stevie already hired Mike so that only left room for 1 replacement. Billy knew the songs so I want details!!!!

[tango87]

Are people new here? People commenting with surprise that Mick said they got rid of Lindsey. Is that not what he always said?

Nothing new here. Even the part that Stevie is the leader "in many ways' is not really new. She controlled this band post Dance and when Christine came back went for the jugular and became a female version of Saddam Hussein.

I'd be amazed if there was anyone 'new' here, we're all ancient.

Not surprised, just commenting with wry amusement. As I recall, Mick was embarrassingly mealy-mouthed about Lindsey leaving, talking about how they didn't use the word 'fired', when it was plain for all to see that was precisely what had happened.

And it's hilarious that Stevie wanted Lindsey out, while trying to keep the show exactly the same as it was when he was still in.

[sleepless child]

"We got rid of Lindsey". Nice Mick. You weiner. I was thinking today actually about Mike's playing on the 2018-19 tour. I was listening to Tom Petty radio and marveling over how good a guitar player Mike is. But on the FM tour he sounded so bland. He didn't even come close to Lindsey's playing. I bet it was a tough go for him. It feels like he was stifled. And of course it was all Stevie's doing and turd Mick went right along with her. No loyalty at all. She did wrong on so many levels.

[BigAl84]

And it's hilarious that Stevie wanted Lindsey out, while trying to keep the show exactly the same as it was when he was still in.

Yeah...IMO, this is the only tidbit that's sorta revealing at this point. There were a LOT of fans who had this attitude of "oh with stubborn Lindsey out of the picture, the band can finally do whatever they want" That theory turned out to be crap...as expected.

I think the Mike situation totally backfired on Stevie. I think she thought he would be an absolute shoe-in and would come in having learned Lindsey's parts verbatim. Turns out he had no interest in that approach from the get-go. Early on he spoke about not even trying to replicate his style.

As I've said a million times, I'll never understand all the drama over timing/logistics for a tour that was really just another repeat of the 2014 tour. They didn't have a new album out, putting them under the gun to hit the road by a drop-dead date. They still started the tour well after the brief delay Lindsey had asked for, so It didn't get them on the road any sooner. So dumb.

[Macfan4life]

Having Mike Campbell in Fleetwood Mac was like Greg Brady becoming Johnny Bravo in the Brady Bunch. Stevie hired him because he fit the suit. The suit was she wanted to do Free Falling as a Petty tribute with Mike. She was not going to wait and replace Waddy on her next solo tour. Mike fit the suit for her highly unusual Tom Petty tribute inside a Fleetwood Mac concert.

[Villavic]

Can I just say (again) what a joke it was when Mick said Neil and Mike were not "replacement" guitarists and were permanent members of the band to tour and make new music with.


When I learned Lindsey was fired I was so upset I started a several months "embargo against Fleetwood Mac". Actually I was angry with the whole band. For few 2018 months I even stopped listening FM music, but the embargo lasts until 2019, I avoided reading news and watching videos of the tour.

Having said that, I allow myself to be surprised and ask MICK SAID THAT??? :mad:

[HomerMcvie]

When I learned Lindsey was fired I was so upset I started a several months "embargo against Fleetwood Mac". Actually I was angry with the whole band. For few 2018 months I even stopped listening FM music, but the embargo lasts until 2019, I avoided reading news and watching videos of the tour.

Having said that, I allow myself to be surprised and ask MICK SAID THAT??? :mad:

2018 was the first tour I ever missed. F*ck Old Goatsy.

[bombaysaffires]

From a new interview in Mojo magazine with Neil Finn:

Did joining Fleetwood Mac surprise you?
I was gobsmacked. I was 60 and I’d had a wonderfully diverse musical life when Mick called and said, “We’ve got rid of Lindsey, would you play with us?” I’d just done Lightsleeper with Liam so he had a vested interest in me not doing it, but he said, “Give it a shot,” so I auditioned.

What? Neil Finn auditioned?
It’s the only audition I’ve ever done. I went to Hawaii and Mick spent an hour telling me it wasn’t an audition, but it was. I was auditioning them too: I wasn’t sure it was the right thing, I was quite conflicted, but I liked the people and the welcome was universal.

What did you bring?
The naysayers said, “No Lindsey Buckingham, no Fleetwood Mac,” but I brought personality and the ability to sing with Stevie and Christine. I could never be capable of sounding like Lindsey but I put a similar intensity into his songs.

Any contact with Lindsey?
No, but I’d really like to have a dinner with him. There’s a lot of ill-will, but I don’t think he bears any towards me and I do think he had prior appreciation of the music I‘d made. Hopefully, once he got over the massive disappointment, he’d have thought, “At least someone with something going for them is singing my songs.”

Who’s running Fleetwood Mac these days?
It doesn’t currently exist, but when I was there Mick carried the flag. He always has and he’s the heart and soul. Yet Stevie’s the leader in many ways, because Stevie wants it the way Stevie wants it and that’s the way it’ll be. She couldn’t bear to be in a band with Lindsey any more, but she still wanted to do it exactly the way he would have. It was more difficult for Mike Campbell: she was really happy with the way it sounded between me and her, but she put a lot of pressure on Mike to be more like Lindsey. Sometimes Mike’s solos would go on and Stevie would get exhausted playing tambourine. She’d be, “F***ing hell, Lindsey only did 12 bars!”

Notable parts for me: Mick saying 'We've got rid of Lindsey' (sounds awfully like a firing to me...), and 'She couldn’t bear to be in a band with Lindsey any more, but she still wanted to do it exactly the way he would have.' - I call that having your cake and eating it...

https://www.mojo4music.com/magazine/latest-issues/mojo-367-june-2024-kate-bush/ (Great article on Kate Bush too, for those of you who have taste.)

I bet he and LB could have an interesting dinner.... and I can see LB maybe doing it. But the bit about Lindsey thinking "at least someone with something going on is singing my songs" is like, does this guy know anything about Lindsey?? I think anyone else singing HIS songs with FM will always bring out snarky Lindsey, even now that he's mellowed some with age. :laugh:
But agree he likely doesn't hold any grudge against Neil for the whole mess.

Stevie has ALWAYS relied on Lindsey to be her musical compass. I recall when she was a mentor on whatever singing competition show she was on, she was paired with Jimmy to help a singer, and every other word out of her mouth was "Lindsey" and "Lindsey and I" etc etc Finally Jimmy said something like "yeah we get it, Lindsey was great" or something. She tried to backtrack and said something like "You were great too" LOL It's like she can never NOT say his name whatever she's doing.

[SteveMacD]

Can I just say (again) what a joke it was when Mick said Neil and Mike were not "replacement" guitarists and were permanent members of the band to tour and make new music with.
I think Mick thought there was a chance of new music with Lindsey out. He still mentioned them when asked about the band’s future at the Grammy’s, although he also said Fleetwood Mac was done.

These statements dont mean anything to me. I want the juicy stuff like WHO Fleetwood Mac auditioned but did not make the cut. How did Billy know about Lindsey's firing before it was public?

A lot of us knew within a week after MusiCares that there had been some type of falling out with Lindsey and that Mike was the new guy. I think it was a photographer who leaked the information. It was all over a Tom Petty Facebook fan page. I’m sure someone asked Billy about it and he talked to Mick, but he wasn’t considered for the tour. Brett indicated that the band auditioned John Paul White from Civil Wars.

[Villavic]

It was more difficult for Mike Campbell: she was really happy with the way it sounded between me and her, but she put a lot of pressure on Mike to be more like Lindsey.

I wonder if there are old articles, interviews, where Rick or Billy told about Stevie putting the same pressure on them.

[bwboy]

These statements dont mean anything to me. I want the juicy stuff like WHO Fleetwood Mac auditioned but did not make the cut. How did Billy know about Lindsey's firing before it was public?
Its just my opinion but I believe the Mac would not hire Billy without Rick. That would be such an odd thing to do. Stevie already hired Mike so that only left room for 1 replacement. Billy knew the songs so I want details!!!!

Billy said Mick told him over the phone that FM recruited Neil and Mike, and that really hurt Billy’s feelings they didn’t ask him to rejoin. That was why Billy blurted it out on social media before anyone else that Lindsey had been fired.

[Macfan4life]

I think Mick thought there was a chance of new music with Lindsey out. He still mentioned them when asked about the band’s future at the Grammy’s, although he also said Fleetwood Mac was done.



A lot of us knew within a week after MusiCares that there had been some type of falling out with Lindsey and that Mike was the new guy. I think it was a photographer who leaked the information. It was all over a Tom Petty Facebook fan page. I’m sure someone asked Billy about it and he talked to Mick, but he wasn’t considered for the tour. Brett indicated that the band auditioned John Paul White from Civil Wars.
So this is what we would have gotten?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RbFsHMqnSQ

[SteveMacD]

I wonder if there are old articles, interviews, where Rick or Billy told about Stevie putting the same pressure on them.
Probably not.

Rick was a sideman who only had 55 days from the day he joined to opening night. He didn’t expectations from the crowd.

Mike is a legendary guitarist in his own right and was trying to put his own spin on the songs. However, Lindsey’s solos, basic as they are, don’t leave a lot of room for interpretation. That said, BMW, TMATTYD, and “Oh Well” were fine and I liked his R&B touches on “Everywhere.”

As for Billy, he was an associate and a fanboy, so he knew exactly what he was getting into.

[WatchChain]

These statements don't mean anything to me. I want the juicy stuff like WHO Fleetwood Mac auditioned but did not make the cut. How did Billy know about Lindsey's firing before it was public?
It's just my opinion but I believe the Mac would not hire Billy without Rick. That would be such an odd thing to do. Stevie already hired Mike so that only left room for 1 replacement. Billy knew the songs, so I want details!!!!

Do we have an actual list of guitarists who were "auditioned" as Lindsey's replacement?

Neil Finn, Mike Campbell, John Paul White? Are there any other names?

Do we have confirmation whether or not Billy "been there/done that" Burnett was flown to Hawaii to also "audition"?

Also - it's laughable that Billy Burnett would think, even for a moment, that he would be considered as the replacement. It's likened to Van Halen reforming and calling back Gary Cherone to fill the lead singer spot.

In my opinion, there was no need to audition anyone - Mike Campbell already had the job. Next, since Mike Campbell doesn't sing well, the band needed a second guitarist to function as a vocalist. Enter Neil Finn.

[SteveMacD]

Do we have an actual list of guitarists who were "auditioned" as Lindsey's replacement?

Neil Finn, Mike Campbell, John Paul White? Are there any other names?

In my opinion, there was no need to audition anyone - Mike Campbell already had the job. Next, since Mike Campbell doesn't sing well, the band needed a second guitarist to function as a vocalist. Enter Neil Finn.

Mike was offered the job outright. They listened to a bunch of singers, but only auditioned John Paul White and Neil Finn for vocalist/guitarist. Billy was definitely not auditioned. He only learned about it after Neil was already in the band.

[sleepless child]

I read an article Ricky Peterson did during the 2018-19 tour. He confirmed that Mike was asked first and he and Mike were in on the auditions. That tells me Stevie had Mike planned all along. But Mick told the press it was his idea. I call Bull****

[bombaysaffires]

I have no idea how it went but I can just imagine that she had a conniption fit, issued her ultimatum, and then was like sh&t what will I do? She called Mike and said I need you to bail me out!! and gave him the big sales pitch (you need to get back out on the road, that's the best way to get over losing Tom, it'll be good for you and for me, we'll both make a ton of money, etc. I can hear it now) And he said ok I'll consider it. She told Mick Mike was in banking on Mike agreeing...and then they rehearsed and she thought, see this isn't bad at all, and the others probably thought so... and then as the tour went on and Madame wasn't so happy....I'd like to think she came to regret her fit of rage...but....:confused:

[HomerMcvie]

I have no idea how it went but I can just imagine that she had a conniption fit, issued her ultimatum, and then was like sh&t what will I do? She called Mike and said I need you to bail me out!! and gave him the big sales pitch (you need to get back out on the road, that's the best way to get over losing Tom, it'll be good for you and for me, we'll both make a ton of money, etc. I can hear it now) And he said ok I'll consider it. She told Mick Mike was in banking on Mike agreeing...and then they rehearsed and she thought, see this isn't bad at all, and the others probably thought so... and then as the tour went on and Madame wasn't so happy....I'd like to think she came to regret her fit of rage...but....:confused:

She would NEVER admit that regret in a trillion years. But you're probably right. But I even doubt she admits that even to herself. Her STAFF tells her that her farts smell like roses...

WHO RUINED THE ENDING OF FM?

We all know...

[Macfan4life]

Do we have an actual list of guitarists who were "auditioned" as Lindsey's replacement?

Neil Finn, Mike Campbell, John Paul White? Are there any other names?

Do we have confirmation whether or not Billy "been there/done that" Burnett was flown to Hawaii to also "audition"?

Also - it's laughable that Billy Burnett would think, even for a moment, that he would be considered as the replacement. It's likened to Van Halen reforming and calling back Gary Cherone to fill the lead singer spot.

In my opinion, there was no need to audition anyone - Mike Campbell already had the job. Next, since Mike Campbell doesn't sing well, the band needed a second guitarist to function as a vocalist. Enter Neil Finn.
Why would you think its laughable Billy would think he would get the job? He replaced Lindsey before and knows the songs. He also was friends and worked with pretty much everyone even before joining. There had to be a reason why and I want to know. There could be some issue with Billy we don't know.
Or the band has really bad memories of the Rick/Billy era?

[bwboy]

Why would you think its laughable Billy would think he would get the job? He replaced Lindsey before and knows the songs. He also was friends and worked with pretty much everyone even before joining. There had to be a reason why and I want to know. There could be some issue with Billy we don't know.
Or the band has really bad memories of the Rick/Billy era?

I agree, Billy was probably considered for replacing Lindsey. As for why he wasn’t hired, SteveMacD had a pretty good idea as to why he wasn’t chosen- he posted a picture of Billy around that time, and Billy did not look well. Between his health issues and surgeries, he looked unhealthy, even bloated. It pains me to say that, but I’m sure his looks and health were issues that may have contributed to their decision.

Despite a throwaway comment by Christine where she lumped the Billy/Ricky years with the Time lineup, I remember several interviews with both Stevie and Christine where they raved about the new guys, and I remember Casey Kasem in his top 40 countdown describing a joke the band played on John McVie where they put hay and chickens in his hotel room or something like that. And Billy and Stevie spoke about how, after they finished a show, they would still play in their hotel room together, because they enjoyed each other that much.

[UnwindedDreams]

Why would you think its laughable Billy would think he would get the job? He replaced Lindsey before and knows the songs. He also was friends and worked with pretty much everyone even before joining. There had to be a reason why and I want to know. There could be some issue with Billy we don't know.
Or the band has really bad memories of the Rick/Billy era?
I wish it would have been Billy and Rick so that BTM stuff would for sure have been played. But my gut tells me Mick and Stevie wanted names that people would know and more people know the names Neil Finn and Mike Campbell, AND Stevie wanted to give Mike a job after Tom passed.

However, Mick and Rick only started talking to each other again in late 2019 or early 2020. In a Peter Green tribute video, Rick Vito said he and Mick had a disagreement about politics in 2016 and hadn't talked until Mick asked him to play in the Concert For Peter Green, which would have been late 19 or 2020. Rick is a Trump supporter and I think Mick is a Democrat, but he could be an intelligent Republican like Liz Cheney.

[UnwindedDreams]

I wonder if there are old articles, interviews, where Rick or Billy told about Stevie putting the same pressure on them.
Was Stevie lucid from 87 through 1990 to even put pressure on them?

[UnwindedDreams]

I have no idea how it went but I can just imagine that she had a conniption fit, issued her ultimatum, and then was like sh&t what will I do? She called Mike and said I need you to bail me out!! and gave him the big sales pitch (you need to get back out on the road, that's the best way to get over losing Tom, it'll be good for you and for me, we'll both make a ton of money, etc. I can hear it now) And he said ok I'll consider it. She told Mick Mike was in banking on Mike agreeing...and then they rehearsed and she thought, see this isn't bad at all, and the others probably thought so... and then as the tour went on and Madame wasn't so happy....I'd like to think she came to regret her fit of rage...but....:confused:
Great analysis! I think by Neil revealing all of this, he's not planning on going back to Fleetwood Mac if there is ever more concerts by that band.

[jmn3]

I think Neil’s going to be forced to walk back his comments with a statement saying how amazing Stevie was and such a team player who thought Mike was the best guitar player to be in Fleetwood Mac with her.

i highly doubt that. I don’t think Neil cares or has any vested interest in keeping the peace within Fleetwood Mac (which, as he stated, doesn’t even exist anymore). Whereas Mick or Christine (and even Lindsey) always kissed the Queen’s behind, Neil got his paycheck and that chapter was a one and done.

[BigAl84]

I wonder what line of BS Mick told them in order to get them to sign on the bottom line. There always seems to be a sense of disappointment that eventually surfaces.

[BigAl84]

I have to hand it to Neil. He’s more honest than anyone else involved in that lineup was willing to be.

[UnwindedDreams]

I have to hand it to Neil. He’s more honest than anyone else involved in that lineup was willing to be.
I’m guessing Mick or Neale Heywood let Finn know that Lindsey enjoyed NF’s music.
And he’s a gentleman for desiring to have dinner with Lindsey. Even Mike Campbell said he had the utmost respect for Lindsey’s contributions to FM. Stevie seems to be the only person who thinks Lindsey contributed nothing to FM.

[jmn3]

I’m guessing Mick or Neale Heywood let Finn know that Lindsey enjoyed NF’s music.
And he’s a gentleman for desiring to have dinner with Lindsey. Even Mike Campbell said he had the utmost respect for Lindsey’s contributions to FM. Stevie seems to be the only person who thinks Lindsey contributed nothing to FM.

And yet she can’t keep his name out of her mouth for ten minutes. She is obnoxious.

[UnwindedDreams]

And yet she can’t keep his name out of her mouth for ten minutes. She is obnoxious.
Next week she’ll post an Instagram photo of her and Neil Finn at Capital Grille saying it was great to catch up with my best singing partner ever!

[Penguin Emeritus]

, I remember several interviews with both Stevie and Christine where they raved about the new guys, and I remember Casey Kasem in his top 40 countdown describing a joke the band played on John McVie where they put hay and chickens in his hotel room or something like that. And Billy and Stevie spoke about how, after they finished a show, they would still play in their hotel room together, because they enjoyed each other that much.

Just wanted to say john was in on the chicken joke, it was played on JC who had kind of a phobia of chickens lol but this was around the Tusk tour, way before Rick and Billy's time w FM.

--Lis

[David]

I think Mick thought there was a chance of new music with Lindsey out.

Probably so. He must have thought that Stevie could be convinced to record with Lindsey out of the picture and her old writing partner Mike Campbell working with her again.

I also think that both Mike Campbell and Neil Finn assumed they would be recording, not just touring. They both must have been disappointed that their new band wasn’t recording with them. They both keep an active recording schedule and both seem to enjoy that. If they had known beforehand that Mac was only going to tour every couple of years and nothing else, they may have had second thoughts about joining (unless the tour pay was just too compelling).

At the time, I bet Christine wanted to record again, even more so than doing these ridiculously big tours. I would venture to say that everybody in two configurations of Fleetwood Mac wanted to record, except Stevie. In that regard, she prevented a very fine recording band from doing its thing. Nice work, Stevie. And how’s that Rhiannon studio project coming along?

[Macfan4life]

Just wanted to say john was in on the chicken joke, it was played on JC who had kind of a phobia of chickens lol but this was around the Tusk tour, way before Rick and Billy's time w FM.

--Lis
I seem to remember that from Mick's book


****someone frantically flipping through pages in a book ******
I don't know how to learn from the pages of a book.
She consults her book

[stevierocks87]

I went to the Cleveland show on the 2018 tour and was pretty much in tears the whole time, it was sad and a joke. I HATE what Stevie has done to the legacy of our favorite band, someone who I used to adore. I know that is not an uncommon sentiment here!

[jbrownsjr]

I went to the Cleveland show on the 2018 tour and was pretty much in tears the whole time, it was sad and a joke. I HATE what Stevie has done to the legacy of our favorite band, someone who I used to adore. I know that is not an uncommon sentiment here!

It was just a nasty power move on her part. And she's more full of herself than ever in her latter years. Ahhhh well, Christine passed and FM died.

The only hope of her killing it again is if Mick let's her.

[Mr Scarrott]

I went to the Cleveland show on the 2018 tour and was pretty much in tears the whole time, it was sad and a joke. I HATE what Stevie has done to the legacy of our favorite band, someone who I used to adore. I know that is not an uncommon sentiment here!

I couldn't face going to see them. The only good thing about the tour was some of the pre-BN material that got an airing but that was largely gone by London. And whoever is going to go "Oh. Neil Finn- the Fleetwood Mac guy?"

I felt sorriest for Christine. Although she could have just pulled the plug on the whole enterprise and toed, in public at least, the company line, she wasn't part of the majority that ousted Lindsey; Stevie couldn't be bothered to even provide some cameo backing vocals on a Buck/Vie song, and I just felt she was marooned in a mess. She couldn't have needed the money, but she came back for this? It was one tour and a twist too far. The band didn't look like legends by the end, more fagends after a terrible trip...

[Villavic]

Before the band left San Francisco, we decided to play a prank on John Courage, who had been ushering us around America like a herd of dazed cattle for the past three months. The prank came on Colonel Courage's birthday and was entirely John McVie's idea. We bribed a bellboy at the St. James Hotel to look the other way while a barnyard scene was lovingly recreated in Courage's room.

When he returned to the hotel that night, he opened his door to find fifty hens and roosters had turned his room into an immense chicken coop. The whole suite had been filled with fresh hay. and the chickens were everywhere all over the bed, stutled in drawers, and one hen had even laid an egg in the smashed TV set. There was chicken sh-t all over his clothes. All the hay made it a fire hazard, and when I walked in, there was Dennis Wilson Iying drunk in the bathtub, smoking two cigarettes at the same time. It was actually Mite scary, but the colonel took it in good humor. In the end we rounded up the poultry, shoved them in the elevator, and pushed "Lobby."

[SteveMacD]

The real legacy of Fleetwood Mac is Mick, John, and Christine enduring and always finding their way back to each other. From Chicken Shack playing just before Fleetwood Mac debuted to the joint auction between those three -and only those three- signaling the end of Fleetwood Mac without actually having to say it, Fleetwood Mac was their journey. The band might have had an awkward ending, the story did not.

[Macfan4life]

Before the band left San Francisco, we decided to play a prank on John Courage, who had been ushering us around America like a herd of dazed cattle for the past three months. The prank came on Colonel Courage's birthday and was entirely John McVie's idea. We bribed a bellboy at the St. James Hotel to look the other way while a barnyard scene was lovingly recreated in Courage's room.

When he returned to the hotel that night, he opened his door to find fifty hens and roosters had turned his room into an immense chicken coop. The whole suite had been filled with fresh hay. and the chickens were everywhere all over the bed, stutled in drawers, and one hen had even laid an egg in the smashed TV set. There was chicken sh-t all over his clothes. All the hay made it a fire hazard, and when I walked in, there was Dennis Wilson Iying drunk in the bathtub, smoking two cigarettes at the same time. It was actually Mite scary, but the colonel took it in good humor. In the end we rounded up the poultry, shoved them in the elevator, and pushed "Lobby."
She consults her book

[bwboy]

Before the band left San Francisco, we decided to play a prank on John Courage, who had been ushering us around America like a herd of dazed cattle for the past three months. The prank came on Colonel Courage's birthday and was entirely John McVie's idea. We bribed a bellboy at the St. James Hotel to look the other way while a barnyard scene was lovingly recreated in Courage's room.

When he returned to the hotel that night, he opened his door to find fifty hens and roosters had turned his room into an immense chicken coop. The whole suite had been filled with fresh hay. and the chickens were everywhere all over the bed, stutled in drawers, and one hen had even laid an egg in the smashed TV set. There was chicken sh-t all over his clothes. All the hay made it a fire hazard, and when I walked in, there was Dennis Wilson Iying drunk in the bathtub, smoking two cigarettes at the same time. It was actually Mite scary, but the colonel took it in good humor. In the end we rounded up the poultry, shoved them in the elevator, and pushed "Lobby."

Thank you, Villavic and Lis, for the correction. I guess I got the Johns mixed up. I remember hearing the story on the radio when Save Me was released, which made me think the story took place when Rick and Billy were in the band. Although now I’m even questioning that!

[Mr Scarrott]

The real legacy of Fleetwood Mac is Mick, John, and Christine enduring and always finding their way back to each other. From Chicken Shack playing just before Fleetwood Mac debuted to the joint auction between those three -and only those three- signaling the end of Fleetwood Mac without actually having to say it, Fleetwood Mac was their journey. The band might have had an awkward ending, the story did not.

beautifully put.

[Villavic]

She consults her book

Who are you talking about? Cause I'm not a she.

[bombaysaffires]

She would NEVER admit that regret in a trillion years. But you're probably right. But I even doubt she admits that even to herself. Her STAFF tells her that her farts smell like roses...

WHO RUINED THE ENDING OF FM?

We all know...

And that, I think, is the crux of her stress with Lindsey.... He doesn't treat her like a BIG STAR or a LEGEND.

[Macfan4life]

Who are you talking about? Cause I'm not a she.
Would you say that to Bob Dylan?
I know you are a guy but the proper lyric is "She consults her book"
"He consults his book" simply does not have the same effect.

I am a poet, priest of nothing. But I am a legend (in my own mind)

[Penguin Emeritus]

The real legacy of Fleetwood Mac is Mick, John, and Christine enduring and always finding their way back to each other. From Chicken Shack playing just before Fleetwood Mac debuted to the joint auction between those three -and only those three- signaling the end of Fleetwood Mac without actually having to say it, Fleetwood Mac was their journey. The band might have had an awkward ending, the story did not.

i agree. so much of the story came down to the bond between those three.

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

And that, I think, is the crux of her stress with Lindsey.... He doesn't treat her like a BIG STAR or a LEGEND.

Well of course, and WHY SHOULD HE? The old bat would still be waiting tables if it weren't for him and his package deal. Ungrateful old hag.

[HomerMcvie]

Who are you talking about? Cause I'm not a she.

Your quoting of the book has become the fodder for humor here, after the death of our favorite band.

WHAT DOES THE BOOK SAY ABOUT THAT? :p:D:lol::xoxo:

[SteveMacD]

Well of course, and WHY SHOULD HE?

How did that go for him?

[HomerMcvie]

How did that go for him?

The old bitch got him fired.

[bombaysaffires]

The old bitch got him fired.

And yet she tried to make Mike Campbell not be Mike Campbell but be Lindsey Buckingham...

[HomerMcvie]

And yet she tried to make Mike Campbell not be Mike Campbell but be Lindsey Buckingham...

She's quite the.... BAG OF NUTS.

[tango87]

The real legacy of Fleetwood Mac is Mick, John, and Christine enduring and always finding their way back to each other. From Chicken Shack playing just before Fleetwood Mac debuted to the joint auction between those three -and only those three- signaling the end of Fleetwood Mac without actually having to say it, Fleetwood Mac was their journey. The band might have had an awkward ending, the story did not.

As I type, The Chain has just come on the radio... But I think I agree with you. I love the Rumours line-up beyond almost anything else in music, but when Christine died, I found the most comforting Mac song was Love Shines. There's a purity to it - a simple, beautiful song, unencumbered by the silly Hollywood rock star dramas and squabbles the other two seem to drag around with them.

[sue]

And yet she tried to make Mike Campbell not be Mike Campbell but be Lindsey Buckingham...

And there’s the hub of her problem with Lindsey..because of their past she doesn’t want him anywhere near.
He spoils her life for her.
But she knows he is the one that spun her songs for her, made her sound a half decent songwriter.
She ain’t going anywhere near a recording studio with Fleetwood Mac so doesn’t need him.
Any guitarist can sound like Lindsey after her coaching…

[jbrownsjr]

The real legacy of Fleetwood Mac is Mick, John, and Christine enduring and always finding their way back to each other. From Chicken Shack playing just before Fleetwood Mac debuted to the joint auction between those three -and only those three- signaling the end of Fleetwood Mac without actually having to say it, Fleetwood Mac was their journey. The band might have had an awkward ending, the story did not.

This part. It's always been the spine of my love for them. The spine of the band and story.

When Christine died, I kept listening to non Rumours songs (at first). Not sure why, but I felt closer to those songs. Even ALAYF, kept popping up.

[UnwindedDreams]

The old bitch got him fired.
There will always be those who feel and believe that Lindsey was the worst addition to FM because he didn’t play instruments well, he had a vision for Tusk that had songs where the songs are solo (though The Ledge to me sounds like Stevie is singing high vocals but I don’t claim to know if it’s her), that he would not play songs from the FM catalogue that he didn’t have a hand in (other than Oh Well for Unleashed). However, Lindsey was ranked higher than Mike Campbell and Joe Walsh on RollingStone’s greatest guitarist lists. With Lindsey in the lineup, they brought back songs like Sara, Silver Springs, Not That Funny, Eyes of the World, Beautiful Child, I Know I’m Not Wrong, Storms, Sisters of The Moon, Say You Love Me ‘09, Bleed To Love Her, and Seven Wonders, Without You and not to mention SYW songs and Sad Angel. I wish there were more 75-2013 gems added in the tours from 97-2017. I was not a fan of Lindsey before his firing in 2018, but unless something comes out that he told Stevie she had a huge belly or that she can’t sing anymore, or recent physical abuse in the 2000s and not violence from a 1980 concert or 1987 meeting for which he never went to prison for…I think Lindsey will be remembered for being the person who was right. Fleetwood Mac did a final arena and stadium tour, which would have been the same arenas and stadiums had it been with Lindsey but not with the original band.

And Neil is not saying he wishes he could make music with Mick, John, Stevie, and Mike… he’s saying he wants to meet Lindsey - that guitar player who can’t play, sing, or write music.

[bombaysaffires]

I wonder what line of BS Mick told them in order to get them to sign on the bottom line. There always seems to be a sense of disappointment that eventually surfaces.

I wonder what they signed on the bottom line to get FINANCIALLY.... like, did paying both of them cost the band more than just paying Lindsey?? Did having these two new people coming in and getting a slice reduce what was left for Stevie to take..sorry, I mean for the rest of the band to divvy up??

I'd wager both Mike and Neil were given salaries, not percentages but... how much would they have to get per show to make it worth their while?? And of course, to make up for any added costs, the tour would have to rake in more, either through higher ticket prices, more shows, pricier merch, etc....

[Wdm6789]

It’s always been my theory that Stevie used Christine’s return to finally get rid of Lindsey.

Stevie let us have Christine’s comeback tour, but after that she was done with Lindsey. She couldn’t get rid of him before because then it would have just been Stevie with Mick and John, they need at least Lindsey or Christine there to be Fleetwood Mac. So Stevie finally got what she wanted.

[Villavic]

The real legacy of Fleetwood Mac is Mick, John, and Christine enduring and always finding their way back to each other.

I don't understand. Yes Christine came back but left the band for 17 years, Lindsey just for 10. Yes Christine joined long before, but I think the band will be mainly remembered for the Rumours lineup anyway. The legacy to me is the combination of the 5 members. No more no less, despite the nightmares, disappointments and betrayals.

[jbrownsjr]

I don't understand. Yes Christine came back but left the band for 17 years, Lindsey just for 10. Yes Christine joined long before, but I think the band will be mainly remembered for the Rumours lineup anyway. The legacy to me is the combination of the 5 members. No more no less, despite the nightmares, disappointments and betrayals.

He's simply saying the Brit core is what Fleetwood Mac means to him. I couldn't agree more.

[sue]

He's simply saying the Brit core is what Fleetwood Mac means to him. I couldn't agree more.

It is for me too…I love the Rumours line up don’t get me wrong but Fleetwood Mac to me is the Original Peter Green bluesy band.

Stevie and Lindsey were brilliant and made the band huge but the heart is the Brits.

[jbrownsjr]

It is for me too…I love the Rumours line up don’t get me wrong but Fleetwood Mac to me is the Original Peter Green bluesy band.

Stevie and Lindsey were brilliant and made the band huge but the heart is the Brits.

Yep, John, Christine and Mick made it all the way to the end. And were there in some way shape or form at the start.

[SteveMacD]

I don't understand. Yes Christine came back but left the band for 17 years, Lindsey just for 10.

That’s a point that needs to die. Fleetwood Mac was only active for five of those sixteen years.

Compare that to when Lindsey was out: Fleetwood Mac made two albums (and maybe two EPs worth of new tracks on various compilations) and did three tours in the ten years Lindsey was gone. (BTM, Time, two songs for GH, three songs for the box, Roll With Me Henry, Lizard People, and the original Blow By Blow.)

If anything, that only proves how vital Christine was to Fleetwood Mac.

[SteveMacD]

And yet she tried to make Mike Campbell not be Mike Campbell but be Lindsey Buckingham...

That’s maybe the most criminal aspect of the whole thing. Why get a guy with his own sound if you’re going to make him sound like the guy you just sacked? The irony being she doesn’t demand that of Waddy.

[jbrownsjr]

That’s maybe the most criminal aspect of the whole thing. Why get a guy with his own sound if you’re going to make him sound like the guy you just sacked? The irony being she doesn’t demand that of Waddy.

Not to mention, a huge insult to his accomplishment as an artist and player. I honestly thought he made the band explosive and had those blues chops that Rick had. Hey Eric Clapton, could you sound like Lindsey for us?

[sue]

That’s maybe the most criminal aspect of the whole thing. Why get a guy with his own sound if you’re going to make him sound like the guy you just sacked? The irony being she doesn’t demand that of Waddy.

The main reason ..He (Lindsey) is not on stage with her..someone who is willing to play like Lindsey, but not be Lindsey is, perfect as far as she is concerned.
Mission accomplished.
And in the planning a long time, this wasn’t a spur of the moment thing.

[SteveMacD]

However, Lindsey was ranked higher than Mike Campbell and Joe Walsh on RollingStone’s greatest guitarist lists.

You mean the list that ranked Joan Jett higher than either Lindsey Buckingham or Mike Campbell? The list that has Eric Clapton behind Jack White? The list that has Joni Mitchell at #9? That list? That’s the hill you’re willing to die on? THAT list? LOL!

[UnwindedDreams]

You mean the list that ranked Joan Jett higher than either Lindsey Buckingham or Mike Campbell? The list that has Eric Clapton behind Jack White? The list that has Joni Mitchell at #9? That list? That’s the hill you’re willing to die on? THAT list? LOL!
SteveMacD as pacific as ever:laugh:
I know too bad Rick Vito and Ted Nugent didn’t make the list!:laugh:
Joni is a perfect guitarist!

[justcrazylove]

There will always be those who feel and believe that Lindsey was the worst addition to FM because he didn’t play instruments well, he had a vision for Tusk that had songs where the songs are solo (though The Ledge to me sounds like Stevie is singing high vocals but I don’t claim to know if it’s her), that he would not play songs from the FM catalogue that he didn’t have a hand in (other than Oh Well for Unleashed). However, Lindsey was ranked higher than Mike Campbell and Joe Walsh on RollingStone’s greatest guitarist lists. With Lindsey in the lineup, they brought back songs like Sara, Silver Springs, Not That Funny, Eyes of the World, Beautiful Child, I Know I’m Not Wrong, Storms, Sisters of The Moon, Say You Love Me ‘09, Bleed To Love Her, and Seven Wonders, Without You and not to mention SYW songs and Sad Angel. I wish there were more 75-2013 gems added in the tours from 97-2017. I was not a fan of Lindsey before his firing in 2018, but unless something comes out that he told Stevie she had a huge belly or that she can’t sing anymore, or recent physical abuse in the 2000s and not violence from a 1980 concert or 1987 meeting for which he never went to prison for…I think Lindsey will be remembered for being the person who was right. Fleetwood Mac did a final arena and stadium tour, which would have been the same arenas and stadiums had it been with Lindsey but not with the original band.

And Neil is not saying he wishes he could make music with Mick, John, Stevie, and Mike… he’s saying he wants to meet Lindsey - that guitar player who can’t play, sing, or write music.

What the actual...??

[SteveMacD]

What the actual...??

(That was a dig at me and a misrepresentation of my opinions about Lindsey.)

[UnwindedDreams]

Christine's final interview comments:
"I'd always want Lindsey back," she said. "He's the best. Neil [Finn] and Mike [Campbell] were such a cheerful couple, but Lindsey was missed."


If Mick, John, and Stevie hated Lindsey well before 2018, I suppose they couldn't fire him because Mike Campbell was in The Heartbreakers. Or the Me Too Movement didn't exist.

[jbrownsjr]

Lindsey's playing and artistry has a lot of character and some very fast soloing skills. He stood out in a very quirky band. At one time he had great vision and arranging skills with Ken and Richard. He was an absolute gem for this band. Those visions and guitar riffs were limited, in my opinion. As time went on, his motif's kept showing up everywhere. (or, playing Trouble or NGBA at slow speed).. uhhh..

And that's not a bad thing, I just don't see the "visionary out there" stuff like he does. I think of David Bowie or Prince when I think in those "rock visionary terms".

It just shows how good the core was to play to with all different styles and characters. And.... allow them sound amazing. Green, Spencer, Kirwin, Welch, Buck, Vito, etc. You have to be pretty flexible to handle all that for 50 years!

I feel like FM was a lot farther in talent and musicianship than B/N. The lift in success was mutual. Two women, 3 writers, 3 singers, great harmony, sex appeal, the 70;s, explosive live shows, and rumours. (The album and the drama.)

Lightning strikes, maybe once. maybe twice.

[jbrownsjr]

Imagine Christine McVie telling Lindsey he needed to sound like Bob Welch? :lol:

[Villavic]

Imagine Christine McVie telling Lindsey he needed to sound like Bob Welch? :lol:

Even though Lindsey was not in 1974 what Neil was in 2018, I can already imagine the face Lindsey would have made. :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Even though Lindsey was not in 1974 what Neil was in 2018, I can already imagine the face Lindsey would have made. :lol:

Imagine when Lindsey joined in 1975, Christine saying "We need you to play as if you were Bob."

He didn't even like playing the old hits, let alone sounding and mimicking Bob.
That's such an insulting thing to say to an artist. That truly would be karaoke. :shrug:

[anusha]

I actually enjoyed hearing what Neil had to say about his time in Fleetwood Mac. I’ve been a huge Neil/Crowded House fan for decades, but I could not bring myself to see that tour. I’m sure that Neil was paid well for his efforts with him, and probably more than he would earn on any of his own tours these days. Not to mention, it was a chance to play areas that he might’ve never gotten to play on his own and tour in a super luxurious way. And maybe even if you got 5% of the audience who didn’t know him before to check out his music, that would also be a win for him.

I think we’ve been trying to read the leaves on the Lindsey firing and hiring of Mike and Neil came to be. I’m sure I’ve said this earlier, but I think that Stevie has probably always had some thought that her life would be easier if she didn’t have to deal with conflict with Lindsey in FM. I think there were enough changes in the industry and the world at large that helped around 2017–2018 And made it possible for her and her management to push Lindsey out. Before, then, as much as Lindsay annoyed her, she probably felt he was necessary for the tours to be financially successful, because FM lean on the Stevie Lindsey dynamic to sell tickets since The Dance.

But, in the late 2010s, you saw other bands be able to go on the road with replacement members after core members died or left, especially the Eagles with Vince Gill. And they still did a ton of business. Then you had Lindsey pissing off Irving Azoff and Stevie by calling The Classic shows a cash grab. It was the truth, but it’s the part that most people don’t say out loud. Also, Stevie was getting a big profile with younger artists like Harry Styles and HAIM, and Working on American horror story. So her level of audience compared to the band as a whole was growing. Then you add to that a lot of the me too revisiting of bad male behavior in the past — And Lindsey has had some bad episodes in terms of treatment of women. I think the fact that you have someone like Vanessa Carlton tweeting about Lindsey in that context shows that it’s probably something that Stevie had in mind at the time that she pushed for Lindsey to be fired. I’m not saying Stevie did it to stand up for women or anything (After all, she knew about all this stuff for decades and continued to profit off of having him in the band), this was purely self interest, but a lot of people who do self interest in things like to wrap it in a cloak of self-righteousness. And I’m sure Stevie did that because she realized that kicking out somebody that she’s known since she was a teenager and he was a big part of her success, that’s a lot to ask an audience to tolerate when you’ve spent the better part of five decades talking about the everlasting connection between the members of the band. But I don’t think she regrets it to this day because ultimately she didn’t need Lindsey anymore and she doesn’t need him now to tour and make money and be adored. She only regrets that there was a blip in time where people called her out for firing him. But even that is long gone For the general public.

I’m only sad for Mick, John, and Chris, because their final tour as FM was overshadowed by the Stevie Lindsey drama again. But even they took it to the bank, so I don’t feel that bad. Everyone here made their choices.

[jbrownsjr]

I’m only sad for Mick, John, and Chris, because their final tour as FM was overshadowed by the Stevie Lindsey drama again. But even they took it to the bank, so I don’t feel that bad. Everyone here made their choices.

Christine was sooooo tired of it. (John, too.) She was more than eager to tour BuckVie, make music. But, getting involved in that drama again at her age (and her condition). Hell no. She deserved every penny!

[Villavic]

Christine was sooooo tired of it. (John, too.) She was more than eager to tour BuckVie, make music. But, getting involved in that drama again at her age (and her condition). Hell no. She deserved every penny!

If she was that tired, she should have refused to go on the tour. That's why at first I was actually upset with the whole band when Lindsey was fire. And when I read she said she accepted to do the tour because she was buying a house, I got more upset.

I would have preferred OWTS tour to be the swan song instead of the 2018 tour without Lindsey.

[jbrownsjr]

If she was that tired, she should have refused to go on the tour. That's why at first I was actually upset with the whole band when Lindsey was fire. And when I read she said she accepted to do the tour because she was buying a house, I got more upset.

I would have preferred OWTS tour to be the swan song instead of the 2018 tour without Lindsey.

You missed the point completely. She was tired of those two's drama. I can't imagine why.

[HomerMcvie]

You missed the point completely. She was tired of those two's drama. I can't imagine why.

She still should have stood up for the legacy of the band. ESPECIALLY after just coming off of BuckVie.

[BigAl84]

She still should have stood up for the legacy of the band. ESPECIALLY after just coming off of BuckVie.

Yeah, that's still a hard pill to swallow all this time later. She and Lindsey could have made a second album in the year she spent on the road schleppin' the hits!

[SteveMacD]

Imagine Christine McVie telling Lindsey he needed to sound like Bob Welch? :lol:

You say that, but Mick and John told him to get a Les Paul and Mick tried to make him use a pick.

[SteveMacD]

Yeah, that's still a hard pill to swallow all this time later. She and Lindsey could have made a second album in the year she spent on the road schleppin' the hits!

For Christine, Mick and John > Lindsey.

I’m sure there was some unbelievably colorful language, but there was never any doubt about where her loyalties were. Even Lindsey realized that and let her off the hook.

[BigAl84]

For Christine, Mick and John > Lindsey.

I’m sure there was some unbelievably colorful language, but there was never any doubt about where her loyalties were. Even Lindsey realized that and let her off the hook.

Picture it...Fleetwood Mac sitting down for a Thanksgiving meal. Lindsey and Stevie are seated at the kids table because they truly can't behave like adults.

[jbrownsjr]

She still should have stood up for the legacy of the band. ESPECIALLY after just coming off of BuckVie.

Completely disagree. The decision was made without her. And, it takes away her paycheck (once again) dealing with a war that has nothing to do with her.
It's easy to say, I would have done this or that. But, she's with Mick and John. Not Stevie or Lindsey. And that's where I expected her loyalty to be.

She's tired of being in the middle of a lousy love affair. I stand by her choice and also feel that even had she quit, it would have had zero impact because they would have toured without her. And why should she give up her (turned out to be) her last tour because of those two ego maniacs.

Finally, there's too many assumptions on what she said and did behind closed doors.

[SteveMacD]

I’m thoroughly convinced these are the two quotes that got Lindsey fired. The first also shows why Stevie wasn’t going to let him do solo shows on the days off.

Oh, the old band with Waddy Watchtel. Wow. Well, listen, I would love to do a tour with Stevie. I think that would be very appropriate. She was talking about doing it in between legs of a Fleetwood Mac tour, which is not going to happen. It's logistically impossible. It's economically suicidal because you can't do enough touring it make it worthwhile.

Putting out Buckingham Nicks, I'm totally down with that. To do what she's talking about, we need some bonus tracks. We need to do one from each of us. I'm totally down with that. I'm not necessarily opposed to doing that in a Fleetwood Mac set, although it hits me a little bit like we're going off message. But did she mention any other new material to you? I bet she didn't.

Asked how he felt about playing a show explicitly geared to evoke memories of the old days, Buckingham cringed.

”It doesn’t necessarily speak of the aspiration to present anything in the way that Fleetwood Mac would want to present it on its own terms,” he said. “But we’re all very close to Irving, so it was just sort of a ‘Why not?’”

Pretty diplomatic for a rock star.

”I was going to put it less diplomatically, but I stopped myself,” he said.

“Do the undiplomatic version,” McVie chimed in. “What were you going to say?”

”I was going to say, ‘Just close your eyes and take the money,’” Buckingham answered, and the soundstage rippled with laughter again.

He lost Stevie in 2013 and I think Fleetwood Mac would have been over after that tour, but Christine McVie had other plans. However, it’s when he lost Irving in 2017 that he was toast. Go figure tour negotiations got heated when Mike Campbell was suddenly available.

[Mr Scarrott]

Completely disagree. The decision was made without her. And, it takes away her paycheck (once again) dealing with a war that has nothing to do with her.
It's easy to say, I would have done this or that. But, she's with Mick and John. Not Stevie or Lindsey. And that's where I expected her loyalty to be.

She's tired of being in the middle of a lousy love affair. I stand by her choice and also feel that even had she quit, it would have had zero impact because they would have toured without her. And why should she give up her (turned out to be) her last tour because of those two ego maniacs.

Finally, there's too many assumptions on what she said and did behind closed doors.

I can't quite imagine a Mick/John/Stevie/Neil/Mike tour working or being marketable as Fleetwood Mac. It's techncally what theoretically existed after Christine's death until Mick pretty much confirmed the end of the band and no-one really wanted to see that re-grouping. Stevie wouldn't have gone for it, either, surely if Chris had quit. I hope Chris did enjoy that last tour, though and didn't feel it became a trudge as her health declined.

[BigAl84]

I’m thoroughly convinced these are the two quotes that got Lindsey fired. The first also shows why Stevie wasn’t going to let him do solo shows on the days off.





He lost Stevie in 2013 and I think Fleetwood Mac would have been over after that tour, but Christine McVie had other plans. However, it’s when he lost Irving in 2017 that he was toast. Go figure tour negotiations got heated when Mike Campbell was suddenly available.

This is just my opinion, but I think you're giving Stevie too much credit lol.

Having a meltdown because Lindsey had the audacity to suggest one of her Fleetwood Mac songs might not be the best choice for the entire band to make an entrance to and then going nuclear because you catch the entire band joking around behind your back during your 10 minute monologue...all of that is much more on brand for current day Stevie Nicks.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that the whole band proved they could record an album and release it without her, which they did. She wasn't about to feel threatened or intimidated by that situation ever again, she calls the shots (as confirmed by Neil!)

[anusha]

I don’t blame Chris for making the choices she did. At first, it did seem a bit off given how well BuckVie went. But she and John were in an impossible situation Either they refused to tour - which would hurt Mick, or they went ahead and they hurt Lindsey. They were never going to have the clout to bring Lindsey back. So they took the option that allowed them to play shows and made their old friend happy.

I think the things that cemented Lindsey’s downfall were the comments he made about the classic that Steve quoted earlier, and, honestly, a lifetime of not getting along with Stevie. The fact that the marketplace showed people like Irving and Stevie that they didn’t need Lindsey anymore to sell a tour gave Stevie the power to force the issue, especially when she wanted to give Mike Campbell a job after Tom Petty died. The fact that she maintained her solo career and was touring large venues on her own, gave her a lot of power in the marketplace. Not to mention, connecting herself to younger artists and getting herself in the media over the years.

And now she’s been able to parlay that into having her own solo tours in large venues without having to answer for firing Lindsey. If the backlash to her firing, Lindsay weren’t so bad, there might still be Fleetwood Mac projects she would consider. But she reacted so poorly to being called out, that she would never agree to do a Fleetwood Mac tour again when she could bask in the adoration of her fans.

[bombaysaffires]

I don’t blame Chris for making the choices she did. At first, it did seem a bit off given how well BuckVie went. But she and John were in an impossible situation Either they refused to tour - which would hurt Mick, or they went ahead and they hurt Lindsey. They were never going to have the clout to bring Lindsey back. So they took the option that allowed them to play shows and made their old friend happy.

I think the things that cemented Lindsey’s downfall were the comments he made about the classic that Steve quoted earlier, and, honestly, a lifetime of not getting along with Stevie. The fact that the marketplace showed people like Irving and Stevie that they didn’t need Lindsey anymore to sell a tour gave Stevie the power to force the issue, especially when she wanted to give Mike Campbell a job after Tom Petty died. The fact that she maintained her solo career and was touring large venues on her own, gave her a lot of power in the marketplace. Not to mention, connecting herself to younger artists and getting herself in the media over the years.

And now she’s been able to parlay that into having her own solo tours in large venues without having to answer for firing Lindsey. If the backlash to her firing, Lindsay weren’t so bad, there might still be Fleetwood Mac projects she would consider. But she reacted so poorly to being called out, that she would never agree to do a Fleetwood Mac tour again when she could bask in the adoration of her fans.

and alas, the death of Christine gives her a perfectly plausible excuse for not doing anymore FM that doesn't reference Lindsey at all.

And frankly, I think more than Stevie, what has put the nail in the FM coffin is John retiring from doing any more tours or whatever. As sleazy as he can be, Mick will not go out as FM without John, period. So...would he tour with Stevie doing FM songs in some form or fashion? Maybe so. But to call it FM, I think he would draw the line. Especially with both John AND Chris now gone. :shrug:I could be wrong however......

[SteveMacD]

This is just my opinion, but I think you're giving Stevie too much credit lol.

Having a meltdown because Lindsey had the audacity to suggest one of her Fleetwood Mac songs might not be the best choice for the entire band to make an entrance to and then going nuclear because you catch the entire band joking around behind your back during your 10 minute monologue...all of that is much more on brand for current day Stevie Nicks.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that the whole band proved they could record an album and release it without her, which they did. She wasn't about to feel threatened or intimidated by that situation ever again, she calls the shots (as confirmed by Neil!)
Oh, I think you’re thoroughly underestimating her capacity to hold a massive grudge.

Also, I think Lindsey was toast before MusiCares. All that the playing of “Rhiannon” and the dancing while she was talking did was make her not feel bad about it.

[Mr Scarrott]

As sleazy as he can be, Mick will not go out as FM without John, period.

Didn't Lindsey allege in his lawsuit that Mick was prepared to get a substitute bassist when John was ill with cancer in 2013? The Australian/NZ leg was eventually cancelled, though, in the end.

[jbrownsjr]

Didn't Lindsey allege in his lawsuit that Mick was prepared to get a substitute bassist when John was ill with cancer in 2013? The Australian/NZ leg was eventually cancelled, though, in the end.

I believe that's correct.

[SteveMacD]

Didn't Lindsey allege in his lawsuit that Mick was prepared to get a substitute bassist when John was ill with cancer in 2013? The Australian/NZ leg was eventually cancelled, though, in the end.

That was likely just a backup plan in case they couldn’t get out of the shows for some reason.

George Hawkins was their backup plan for years, at least per his Q&A.

[jbrownsjr]

You say that, but Mick and John told him to get a Les Paul and Mick tried to make him use a pick.

I always assumed that was due to his "blues chops" being a bit primitive (for their core songs at that point) . Where Mike and Rick had no trouble whatsoever doing either blues, or Lindsey pop.

[jbrownsjr]

Bob and Stevie wrote a song titled "Angel" about her!

[elle]

From a new interview in Mojo magazine with Neil Finn:

Did joining Fleetwood Mac surprise you?
I was gobsmacked. I was 60 and I’d had a wonderfully diverse musical life when Mick called and said, “We’ve got rid of Lindsey, would you play with us?” I’d just done Lightsleeper with Liam so he had a vested interest in me not doing it, but he said, “Give it a shot,” so I auditioned.

What? Neil Finn auditioned?
It’s the only audition I’ve ever done. I went to Hawaii and Mick spent an hour telling me it wasn’t an audition, but it was. I was auditioning them too: I wasn’t sure it was the right thing, I was quite conflicted, but I liked the people and the welcome was universal.

What did you bring?
The naysayers said, “No Lindsey Buckingham, no Fleetwood Mac,” but I brought personality and the ability to sing with Stevie and Christine. I could never be capable of sounding like Lindsey but I put a similar intensity into his songs.

Any contact with Lindsey?
No, but I’d really like to have a dinner with him. There’s a lot of ill-will, but I don’t think he bears any towards me and I do think he had prior appreciation of the music I‘d made. Hopefully, once he got over the massive disappointment, he’d have thought, “At least someone with something going for them is singing my songs.”

Who’s running Fleetwood Mac these days?
It doesn’t currently exist, but when I was there Mick carried the flag. He always has and he’s the heart and soul. Yet Stevie’s the leader in many ways, because Stevie wants it the way Stevie wants it and that’s the way it’ll be. She couldn’t bear to be in a band with Lindsey any more, but she still wanted to do it exactly the way he would have. It was more difficult for Mike Campbell: she was really happy with the way it sounded between me and her, but she put a lot of pressure on Mike to be more like Lindsey. Sometimes Mike’s solos would go on and Stevie would get exhausted playing tambourine. She’d be, “F***ing hell, Lindsey only did 12 bars!”

Notable parts for me: Mick saying 'We've got rid of Lindsey' (sounds awfully like a firing to me...), and 'She couldn’t bear to be in a band with Lindsey any more, but she still wanted to do it exactly the way he would have.' - I call that having your cake and eating it...



https://www.mojo4music.com/magazine/latest-issues/mojo-367-june-2024-kate-bush/ (Great article on Kate Bush too, for those of you who have taste.)

oh wow, i didn't realize this whole interview was what started this thread (thought it was an old thread and discussion of new Neil bean-spilling interview was just added in). also didn't realize this came out few days ago and not just today when i got a ping about it (i'm behind FM times here lol).

too bad that the glorious title of this article (Neil Finn on joining Fleetwood Mac: “Stevie wanted to do it exactly the way Lindsey would have.”) is missing above but glad to see all responses from the interview are included.

[HomerMcvie]

You say that, but Mick and John told him to get a Les Paul and Mick tried to make him use a pick.

That's because Tele's suck. Too thin sounding. I have three, and the only one I play is my B-bender. Mick was right to get him to change.

[HomerMcvie]

Completely disagree. The decision was made without her. And, it takes away her paycheck (once again) dealing with a war that has nothing to do with her.
It's easy to say, I would have done this or that. But, she's with Mick and John. Not Stevie or Lindsey. And that's where I expected her loyalty to be.

She's tired of being in the middle of a lousy love affair. I stand by her choice and also feel that even had she quit, it would have had zero impact because they would have toured without her. And why should she give up her (turned out to be) her last tour because of those two ego maniacs.

Finally, there's too many assumptions on what she said and did behind closed doors.

Yeah, well, word is that she kept Bob out of the R&RHOF, too. She wasn't perfekt.

[elle]

Are people new here? People commenting with surprise that Mick said they got rid of Lindsey. Is that not what he always said?

Nothing new here. Even the part that Stevie is the leader "in many ways' is not really new.

hahahahaha - nothing new unless you are in a certain cult for the last 6 years.

it is NOT what Mick always said. it is what Lindsey always said.

for the rest of us, yes, nothing new, we knew it all, except that Neil knew full well that Lindsey was fired and that he's crossing the picket line, so to speak. for years both Neil and Mike claimed how Mick told them Lindsey left on his own and that's the only reason why they joined, that they would never cross a fellow musician. same as what was FM's official version for the first few years - that Lindsey left them again right before the tour leaving them in a bind so they had to scramble.

Neil basically completely confirms Lindsey's version, and completely disputes Stevie / Azoff version.

[HomerMcvie]

and alas, the death of Christine gives her a perfectly plausible excuse for not doing anymore FM that doesn't reference Lindsey at all.

And frankly, I think more than Stevie, what has put the nail in the FM coffin is John retiring from doing any more tours or whatever. As sleazy as he can be, Mick will not go out as FM without John, period. So...would he tour with Stevie doing FM songs in some form or fashion? Maybe so. But to call it FM, I think he would draw the line. Especially with both John AND Chris now gone. :shrug:I could be wrong however......

Mick just needs to do some kind of "Ringo's All-Star Band" thing. He can bring in just enough money to keep his head above water.

[HomerMcvie]

oh wow, i didn't realize this whole interview was what started this thread (thought it was an old thread and discussion of new Neil bean-spilling interview was just added in). also didn't realize this came out few days ago and not just today when i got a ping about it (i'm behind FM times here lol).

too bad that the glorious title of this article (Neil Finn on joining Fleetwood Mac: “Stevie wanted to do it exactly the way Lindsey would have.”) is missing above but glad to see all responses from the interview are included.

Thus my Bill Murray comment on your thread. :)

[elle]

Thus my Bill Murray comment on your thread. :)

lol i get it now.

i was thinking that you are talking about here we go again with this 2018 discussion.

you guys have been busy here the last few days!

[BigAl84]

Oh, I think you’re thoroughly underestimating her capacity to hold a massive grudge.

Also, I think Lindsey was toast before MusiCares. All that the playing of “Rhiannon” and the dancing while she was talking did was make her not feel bad about it.

Oh...I agree with you there, she's a major grudge holder!

[HomerMcvie]

Oh...I agree with you there, she's a major grudge holder!

She's bitter because she never got a life. Just her paid staff of yes people.

[SteveMacD]

That's because Tele's suck. Too thin sounding. I have three, and the only one I play is my B-bender. Mick was right to get him to change.

In 1975, yes. Today, a PAF in the neck position with a hotter bridge pickup is definitely not thin. Bonus points if it’s set up with blend wiring. I had a Duncan Set Lover neck and Duncan Broadcaster bridge that covered a lot of sonic ground. For my Micawber, I use a Duncan Seth Lover and Antiquity Lap Steel bridge with blend, and that Keefs for days.

A two single coil Tele with a 4-way switch (which I doubt were around in 1975) gets a nice PAF sound in the fourth position. My main Tele has this with a DiMarzio Twang King neck and Duncan Broadcaster bridge. Also, using a .003uF ceramic disc capacitor gives the pickups a P90/PAF type tone.

Of course, there are Tele humbuckers like a DiMarzio Chopper T or Duncan Little ‘59.

[elle]

And I'd heard RUMOURS that she was giving Mike a hard time. I didn't really believe my source, at the time. I didn't believe Stevie was that much of a moron... :lol:

you mean:

"Mike, play more like Lindsey!"
"Why can't you play like Lindsey?"

Neil confirmed it all, in few short sentences!

[elle]

Well Fleetwood Mac not only doesn’t currently exist, it doesn't exist since 2018, or maybe before.

Fleetwood Mac never exists between tours or albums.

same was also spelled out in Lindsey's lawsuit.

[elle]

I want the juicy stuff like WHO Fleetwood Mac auditioned but did not make the cut. How did Billy know about Lindsey's firing before it was public?!

many of us first heard of it on February 8th. including that Campbell is in.

Billy spilled it in April.

the plan originally sounded like just Campbell, but in the next months they figured out he can't really sing Lindsey's songs like they wanted him to. so they had to audition another singer/guitarist.

[SteveMacD]

Sweet Jesus, please say we’re not going to have a long round of pissing over semantics like “divorce” versus “fired” and pretend like a lot hasn’t come out since the lawsuit, like Brett’s interview, the replies from Stevie and especially Irving (“I have historically declined comment on artists, but in the case of Lindsey Buckingham, I will make an exception”), or the fact Mick and Lindsey reconciled after Peter died.

The band fired Lindsey and toured with two other guys. It’s over, it’s done, Christine has since died, and the band isn’t getting back together.

Let it be.

[elle]

Brett’s interview, the replies from Stevie and especially Irving (“I have historically declined comment on artists, but in the case of Lindsey Buckingham, I will make an exception”)

exactly. and this interview makes it crystal clear that Stevie (and Azoff) statements were complete bs.

i wonder whether Azoff's power in music world waned when Neil was willing to spill this out.

[justcrazylove]

oh wow, i didn't realize this whole interview was what started this thread (thought it was an old thread and discussion of new Neil bean-spilling interview was just added in). also didn't realize this came out few days ago and not just today when i got a ping about it (i'm behind FM times here lol).

too bad that the glorious title of this article (Neil Finn on joining Fleetwood Mac: “Stevie wanted to do it exactly the way Lindsey would have.”) is missing above but glad to see all responses from the interview are included.

Elle, so glad to see you back here. You have been greatly missed. The Lindsey camp on this board is poorer for your absence.

[UnwindedDreams]

i wonder whether Azoff's power in music world waned when Neil was willing to spill this out.At first I thought Neil would need to clean up his comments but he has no plan of working with Stevie again. He’s putting out a record with Crowded House this year.

Also, take a look at Irving’s courtroom behavior in the Hotel California case. He acted like Trump does: hostile. He covered up Henley’s abuse of a minor. He’s a Roy Cohn. Him and his buddy James Dolan are both Trumpers. I don’t know if he commands respect anymore. The judge said he and Henley misled the court.

[HomerMcvie]

In 1975, yes. Today, a PAF in the neck position with a hotter bridge pickup is definitely not thin. Bonus points if it’s set up with blend wiring. I had a Duncan Set Lover neck and Duncan Broadcaster bridge that covered a lot of sonic ground. For my Micawber, I use a Duncan Seth Lover and Antiquity Lap Steel bridge with blend, and that Keefs for days.

A two single coil Tele with a 4-way switch (which I doubt were around in 1975) gets a nice PAF sound in the fourth position. My main Tele has this with a DiMarzio Twang King neck and Duncan Broadcaster bridge. Also, using a .003uF ceramic disc capacitor gives the pickups a P90/PAF type tone.

Of course, there are Tele humbuckers like a DiMarzio Chopper T or Duncan Little ‘59.

Well, my two favorite strats have EMG active pickups(number one has the Vince Gill drop in system- midrange boost on the bottom tone knob), and they also have Fishman Powerbridge piezo pickups, for acoustic sounds. I WISH I could do that to my B- bender, but the open saddle on the B string doesn't allow for those mods(although I put active EMG's on it). I've thought about contacting Glaser here in Nashville about seeing if he has any new ways around this. I'm guessing he does.

[SteveMacD]

exactly. and this interview makes it crystal clear that Stevie (and Azoff) statements were complete bs.

How so? Lindsey’s comments about a Buckingham Nicks reunion tour being impossible between legs and Stevie not focusing on new material to Rolling Stone in December, 2012, calling Irving’s baby a cash grab that didn’t speak to the band’s aspirations, and being difficult during tour negotiations were probably, in their minds, fireable offenses that were entirely all on Lindsey. It’s all about perspective.

I mean, yeah, she’s said obnoxious things about him, too, but she’s the reason they’re an arena band. Meanwhile, Irving is arguably the most powerful man in the music industry.

i wonder whether Azoff's power in music world waned when Neil was willing to spill this out.

LOL, absolutely not, don’t be ridiculous. Lindsey Buckingham and Neil Finn are fleas on a dog’s ass as far as he’s concerned, especially now that Fleetwood Mac is done. Outside of diehard Fleetwood Mac fans, people couldn’t care less.

[In Your Dreams]

I wonder what kind of NDAs were signed with the settlement of Lindsey’s lawsuit. I’m assuming Neil and Mike would not have been part of any NDA signed from the Lindsey settlement because they were never legal Fleetwood Mac Inc members or party to the lawsuit. So if a biopic did ever happen about the band, how would Lindsey’s firing be portrayed?

We know Stevie has Ryan Murphy in her stable but Lindsey has some Hollywood connections too. I doubt Lindsey would do this but imagine if he was the first to collaborate with someone to get his version of the Fleetwood Mac story told. That would sure cause a lot of panic for Stevie on how she’d be portrayed. She’d be going to Rolling Stone for sure to get her story out there (again) before a Lindsey backed biopic was made/released. But if all FM members signed NDAs maybe it wouldn’t matter too much because this event would likely not be told based on historical accuracy.

[bombaysaffires]

How so? Lindsey’s comments about a Buckingham Nicks reunion tour being impossible between legs and Stevie not focusing on new material to Rolling Stone in December, 2012, calling Irving’s baby a cash grab that didn’t speak to the band’s aspirations, and being difficult during tour negotiations were probably, in their minds, fireable offenses that were entirely all on Lindsey. It’s all about perspective.

I mean, yeah, she’s said obnoxious things about him, too, but she’s the reason they’re an arena band. Meanwhile, Irving is arguably the most powerful man in the music industry.


If saying things about your bandmates is a fireable offense, the entire band would be fired at one point or other, and Stevie would be at the top of the list.

slagging off your bandmates isn't anything new nor a remotely fireable offense, nor is 'being difficult in tour negotiations' even in rock and roll. The fact that they ultimately settled so quickly with him reinforces the legal system agrees, and "in their minds" it was actually petty chapped buttholes that came into play. So chapping the asses of your bandmates and manager rises to a 'fireable' offense within FM world.

[SteveMacD]

If saying things about your bandmates is a fireable offense, the entire band would be fired at one point or other, and Stevie would be at the top of the list.

slagging off your bandmates isn't anything new nor a remotely fireable offense, nor is 'being difficult in tour negotiations' even in rock and roll. The fact that they ultimately settled so quickly with him reinforces the legal system agrees, and "in their minds" it was actually petty chapped buttholes that came into play. So chapping the asses of your bandmates and manager rises to a 'fireable' offense within FM world.

You say that as if there was a neutral power dynamic at play.

Slagging on Stevie Nicks after the one person in the world who could be brutally honest with her and talk her off the ledge died (Barbara Nicks) when she needs you less than you need her, yeah, it’s fireable, especially given the contentious dysfunctional relationship between those two.

[anusha]

Once 1) Mike Campbell needed a job and 2) Irving had proven that the Eagles could tour without Glen, anything less than worship of Stevie would have been a fireable offense to Stevie and Irving as far as Lindsey was concerned.

That’s what made the initial PR spin FM did around the firing so absurd and gross. It was always obvious that Stevie demanded that Lindsey be fired or she wouldn’t tour. She just didn’t want to look bad, and when she did get backlash, her groupies like Vanessa Carlton took to twitter to badmouth Lindsey.

And Stevie is the queen of unreasonable tour demands. Separate jets and grand pianos and pink painted suites. Bringing her background singers everywhere. Playing the same set lists. Interminable costume, no make that shawl, changes. Forcing the others to wait for her to finish solo stuff all the time. And I’m sure by the end at least double the share of the tour income of any other member of the band. She just had the power to get away with it and Lindsey didn’t. While we didn’t need proof of all of this, Neil clearly saw this dynamic first hand from how he described the band.

[elle]

While we didn’t need proof of all of this, Neil clearly saw this dynamic first hand from how he described the band.

but... but how do you mean?? they were all so happy happy happy happy that tour, no??

[UnwindedDreams]

but... but how do you mean?? they were all so happy happy happy happy that tour, no??
And the pre-BN songs were so enjoyed by the band that the setlist dropped to 18 songs from 24 songs at the band's final concert at Oracle Park in San Francisco (Oh Well was the pre BN song) and 20 songs at their last indoor arena concert (BMW and Split Enz were the extra two here).

During the On With the Show Tour, the setlist never went below 22 songs, one reason a song was dropped was Songbird was giving Christine pain in her hands but she brought it back for Europe and Australia and New Zealand. Stevie dropped Seven Wonders, which seemed to be a challenging vocal for her, but it could also have been that she didn't want to sing 8 "solo" songs.

My one wish for the OWTS Tour is that Lindsey played Bleed To Love Her rather than I Know I'm Not Wrong and instead of Sisters of the Moon, Stevie played Angel since we got Sisters at every 2013 show.

[secret love]

And the pre-BN songs were so enjoyed by the band that the setlist dropped to 18 songs from 24 songs at the band's final concert at Oracle Park in San Francisco (Oh Well was the pre BN song) and 20 songs at their last indoor arena concert (BMW and Split Enz were the extra two here).

During the On With the Show Tour, the setlist never went below 22 songs, one reason a song was dropped was Songbird was giving Christine pain in her hands but she brought it back for Europe and Australia and New Zealand. Stevie dropped Seven Wonders, which seemed to be a challenging vocal for her, but it could also have been that she didn't want to sing 8 "solo" songs.

My one wish for the OWTS Tour is that Lindsey played Bleed To Love Her rather than I Know I'm Not Wrong and instead of Sisters of the Moon, Stevie played Angel since we got Sisters at every 2013 show.
They did play Bleed to Love Her at the Australia and New Zealand shows. Along with Sara and Think About Me, which they didn’t play in the North America shows so I believe.

Angel is still possible, if Stevie wants to do something actually different and interesting with her solo setlists for the European tour.

[UnwindedDreams]

They did play Bleed to Love Her at the Australia and New Zealand shows. Along with Sara and Think About Me, which they didn’t play in the North America shows so I believe.

Angel is still possible, if Stevie wants to do something actually different and interesting with her solo setlists for the European tour.
Oh man could you imagine for the hardcore fans? But if she’s not singing Sara because it reminds her of Christine, I don’t know how she does Angel because I think of that as such a Chris driven song. I didn’t care for the Waddy led one which had Roy on piano, but I’d take that version just to hear Angel live again.

[Villavic]

, or the fact Mick and Lindsey reconciled after Peter died.


I didn't related the reconciliation with Peter's pass away. When I read about it, I thought in Mick saying The tour is over, now what can I do.

[SteveMacD]

I didn't related the reconciliation with Peter's pass away. When I read about it, I thought in Mick saying The tour is over, now what can I do.

They reconciled when Lindsey called Mick after Peter died.

[elle]

Elle, so glad to see you back here. You have been greatly missed. The Lindsey camp on this board is poorer for your absence.

awwww so nice of you to say that, thank you! :xoxo:

[The Catdancer]

Once 1) Mike Campbell needed a job and 2) Irving had proven that the Eagles could tour without Glen, anything less than worship of Stevie would have been a fireable offense to Stevie and Irving as far as Lindsey was concerned.

That’s what made the initial PR spin FM did around the firing so absurd and gross. It was always obvious that Stevie demanded that Lindsey be fired or she wouldn’t tour. She just didn’t want to look bad, and when she did get backlash, her groupies like Vanessa Carlton took to twitter to badmouth Lindsey.

And Stevie is the queen of unreasonable tour demands. Separate jets and grand pianos and pink painted suites. Bringing her background singers everywhere. Playing the same set lists. Interminable costume, no make that shawl, changes. Forcing the others to wait for her to finish solo stuff all the time. And I’m sure by the end at least double the share of the tour income of any other member of the band. She just had the power to get away with it and Lindsey didn’t. While we didn’t need proof of all of this, Neil clearly saw this dynamic first hand from how he described the band.

And don't forget she's bringing her own furniture with her...

[The Catdancer]

They did play Bleed to Love Her at the Australia and New Zealand shows. Along with Sara and Think About Me, which they didn’t play in the North America shows so I believe.

Angel is still possible, if Stevie wants to do something actually different and interesting with her solo setlists for the European tour.

I don't think it is actually. She'd never be able to hit those high notes ever again. And without the high notes, it doesn't sound right to me. Just like Sisters, I cringed every time I heard it. We'll never get another Mirage tour Sisters or a Tusk tour Angel simply because she can't do it anymore.

[secret love]

I don't think it is actually. She'd never be able to hit those high notes ever again. And without the high notes, it doesn't sound right to me. Just like Sisters, I cringed every time I heard it. We'll never get another Mirage tour Sisters or a Tusk tour Angel simply because she can't do it anymore.

Hm, I think she pulled off Wild Heart and Bella Donna live, I don’t see why she couldn’t do Angel. She’s already singing so many of her other songs in different keys to the original recordings, I think with the right treatment, Angel could work. That said I am sure there are many people on here who don’t think Stevie should be singing at all anymore.

[UnwindedDreams]

How so? LindseyÂ’s comments about a Buckingham Nicks reunion tour being impossible between legs and Stevie not focusing on new material to Rolling Stone in December, 2012, calling IrvingÂ’s baby a cash grab that didnÂ’t speak to the bandÂ’s aspirations, and being difficult during tour negotiations were probably, in their minds, fireable offenses that were entirely all on Lindsey. ItÂ’s all about perspective.

I get The Classic festival point, difficult in tour negotiations - which I guess means he wanted to do shows on off days, and that Stevie didn't want to make a new album - which he said in 2008 as well.

I don't get the opinion that the Buckingham Nicks Reunion Tour was a hand on the axe that struck him in 2018.

First thing is the 2013 Tour was the most lovefest Stevie and Lindsey FM tour ever. She was dedicating songs to him. She cried real tears when he dedicated Say Goodbye to her. She didn't seem mad at him at all that tour. Tons of smiling.

Second, Stevie talks out of her behind a lot. Examples include the Rhiannon film and now it's a mini-series, a multi-hour concert where she would play songs from every single album from Bella Donna to In Your Dreams (24KG wasn't released when she promised this), a second 24KG album and a tour where she would perform songs she didn't perform from IYD and 24KG on their respective tours, "I don't take vacation after making an album or going on tour" etc.

Third, FM's 2013 North America Tour started April 4 and stopped July 6. The Europe Tour went from September 24 to October 26. I am not sure how many days of rehearsals they had with Christine. We know from Mick's second book that they played a few songs with her but decided they would only do Don't Stop with her. And the plan was to tour Australia and New Zealand in November in December I think. So there could not have been a BN Tour booked for November or December since Stevie always says they get to Australia like a month before the tour starts to adjust to the time change.

It's a fact that Stevie needs rest between legs. Remember how she told Christine to get a trainer because the shows are grueling. Lindsey did mention he wanted to go on vacation with his family in July of 2013 too. Let's just say they didn't need rest. When would there have been time for Buckingham Nicks to rehearse? I think FM rehearsed from March 1 until April.

Lindsey also mentioned that playing in between legs would probably not give them enough time to play a number of shows to make a profit. That doesn't sound like an unintelligible statement by Lindsey but I'm open to understanding if it is.

The thing about Lindsey doing shows in 2018 on off days that perhaps make it different than doing them in 2012 is that Heywood and Tuggle are already on the road with FM. I guess it would have come down to the drummer Jimmy Paxson because he wasn't on the FM Tour. Maybe they would be worried Lindsey's voice would be worse off for doing solo shows on the days off.

Addition to OP: Taku could have played in Lindsey's solo band since he did on the Under The Skin Tour. Maybe even Steve Rinkohv. Mick did an interview for Unleashed where he said he was considering whether or not to bring a percussionist on tour. I guess Lindsey told Mick they could save money by having Steve do percussion. Steve also did his usual behind the scenes drumming on the Say You Will Tour too. It's quite interesting. I'd love for someone to show me a Fleetwood Mac video from 2003 to MusiCares that I can hear a prerecorded track, percussion, or music other than the fake horns in Tusk!

[SteveMacD]

I get The Classic festival point, difficult in tour negotiations - which I guess means he wanted to do shows on off days, and that Stevie didn't want to make a new album - which he said in 2008 as well.

I don't get the opinion that the Buckingham Nicks Reunion Tour was a hand on the axe that struck him in 2018.

I wasn’t suggesting Lindsey was wrong about the logistics of doing a Buckingham Nicks tour. That wasn’t the point.

It was the condescending tone and going unnecessarily long and being unnecessarily thorough as to why it wouldn’t be possible AND the way he brought up Stevie’s lack of new music that were the problem. I’m sure some of those comments came back to haunt him.

Seriously, “I agree it should be reissued and I’d love to do a tour in support of Buckingham Nicks. I don’t think there’s going to be enough time this year for a tour, but I’d be open to doing some songs with Fleetwood Mac on the upcoming tour” was all he needed to say.

Ironically, Mick would have been on board with doing Buckingham Nicks songs.

[UnwindedDreams]

I wasn’t suggesting Lindsey was wrong about the logistics of doing a Buckingham Nicks tour. That wasn’t the point.

It was the condescending tone and going unnecessarily long and being unnecessarily thorough as to why it wouldn’t be possible AND the way he brought up Stevie’s lack of new music that were the problem. I’m sure some of those comments came back to haunt him.

Seriously, “I agree it should be reissued and I’d love to do a tour in support of Buckingham Nicks. I don’t think there’s going to be enough time this year for a tour, but I’d be open to doing some songs with Fleetwood Mac on the upcoming tour” was all he needed to say.

Ironically, Mick would have been on board with doing Buckingham Nicks songs.
Oh okay so when you wrote “The first [Lindsey quote] also shows why Stevie wasn’t going to let him do solo shows on the days off.”, that’s because he had a condescending tone?

I really don’t think Stevie even read those interviews for the 2013 Tour.

I know Mick mentioned doing Crystal on the 2013 Tour. I wish they had as well as Blue Letter.

[SteveMacD]

Oh okay so when you wrote “The first [Lindsey quote] also shows why Stevie wasn’t going to let him do solo shows on the days off.”, that’s because he had a condescending tone?

I really don’t think Stevie even read those interviews for the 2013 Tour.


You know her people read the interviews, right? Furthermore, it was a joint interview, so they were especially paying attention if only to make sure what Stevie said was accurately portrayed, but also to see Lindsey’s replies to what she said.

Absolutely the detail into why it wouldn’t be possible and the overall condescending tone came back to bite him in the ass.

[elle]

The thing about Lindsey doing shows in 2018 on off days that perhaps make it different than doing them in 2012 is that Heywood and Tuggle are already on the road with FM. I guess it would have come down to the drummer Jimmy Paxson because he wasn't on the FM Tour. Maybe they would be worried Lindsey's voice would be worse off for doing solo shows on the days off.

if you recall, nobody was worried about anything regarding Lindsey's shows in between FM tour dates. you know, the way Pretenders did shows in between their double billing tour dates with Stevie and that was never a problem. and he never even brought it up to Stevie. Stevie + managers decided to find the reason to get him out before that.

plus Steve here it trying really hard for years now to convince us it was actually Azoff who decided to get Lindsey out because Lindsey hurt his feelings. :shrug:

I'm actually still amazed that there was no lawsuits about Azoff's breach of contract with Lindsey. guess my world views are too idealistic and Lindsey must have decided it was not worth it to fight one of the biggest and most powerful bullies in music industry that Azoff still was at that time, and instead just get the truth out and his tour money out of the band instead.

[elle]

plus Steve here it trying really hard for years now to convince us it was actually Azoff who decided to get Lindsey out because Lindsey hurt his feelings. :shrug:

*is trying really hard.

[SteveMacD]

you know, the way Pretenders did shows in between their double billing tour dates with Stevie and that was never a problem.
Because The Pretenders are in Stevie’s band :shrug:

plus Steve here it trying really hard for years now to convince us it was actually Azoff who decided to get Lindsey out because Lindsey hurt his feelings. :shrug:

Lindsey crapped all over something Irving had tens of millions invested in. That’s not a matter of hurt feelings. People get taken out in mob movies for less.

[BigAl84]

Because The Pretenders are in Stevie’s band :shrug:



Lindsey crapped all over something Irving had tens of millions invested in. That’s not a matter of hurt feelings. People get taken out in mob movies for less.

Yeah but Lindsey showed up and did the gig, everyone got their check. I’m not convinced some remark about doing it for the cash was exactly earth shattering to anyone.

[sue]

Oh...I agree with you there, she's a major grudge holder!

she holds grudges because when not touring…she has nothing else.
She lets stuff fester in her brain.

The Lindsey sacking was a long time coming..
Well at least since BuckVie..

[SteveMacD]

Yeah but Lindsey showed up and did the gig, everyone got their check. I’m not convinced some remark about doing it for the cash was exactly earth shattering to anyone.

I mean, I cringed when I heard Lindsey say it and speculated that the comments played a role in his firing, then it came out Irving dropped him, and, way later, Irving uttered “but in the case of Lindsey Buckingham, I will make an exception” and proceeded to go on a tirade of epic proportion.

You’re naive if you don’t think it played a role.

Irving’s comments weren’t business, they were personal.

[SteveMacD]

One thing about Neil’s comments, I wonder if “At least someone with something going for them is singing my songs” was a subtle dig at Billy Burnette?

[anusha]

I thought it was interesting that Neil told it like it was. Specifically, he clearly said that things in Fleetwood Mac are run according to what Stevie wants. I don’t think anyone else has openly said that within the band. I also think that no one among the fans would really dispute that fact. Maybe Mick and Stevie Didn’t want that kind of impression to get out, but that doesn’t stop it from being true.

As for Lindsey and Irving, I’m sure Irving has found Lindsey to be a pain in the behind for many years. But, Irving tolerated him because there was money to be made. I’m sure Lindsey‘s comments about the classic didn’t make him happy, but the Eagles were pretty open about reuniting as a cash grab and it didn’t make a difference. The difference here is that Stevie did not want Lindsey in the band anymore And it was clear that the band would still be able to sell tickets without Lindsey. That’s the writing on the wall That led to Lindsey’s firing

As for Stevie and the grievances that caused Her to pull the trigger this time, Who knows? MusiCares, BuckVie, Lindsey being rude in the media, probably countless incidents of Lindsey being rude or less than worshipful. Heck, she probably has reasons going all the way back to 1968. And she’s probably justified, because the two of them have a unique ability to be completely nasty to each other in public and in private. I do believe that Lindsey was right and suing over being fired from the tour, but after he settled, the interviews he gave were so smug and rude. I can’t understand what delusion makes him think that they would want to reunite after something like that.

Let’s hope they stay far away from each other

[aleuzzi]

Yep, John, Christine and Mick made it all the way to the end. And were there in some way shape or form at the start.

Yes—and in many ways two songs from MR. WONDERFUL cement the core trio’s enduring sound, regardless of the revolving guitarists that came and went. Those two songs are “Rolling Man” and “Love That Burns.” Here we hear the foundation that they built upon once Christine joined full-time two years later.

[HomerMcvie]

I thought it was interesting that Neil told it like it was. Specifically, he clearly said that things in Fleetwood Mac are run according to what Stevie wants. I don’t think anyone else has openly said that within the band. I also think that no one among the fans would really dispute that fact. Maybe Mick and Stevie Didn’t want that kind of impression to get out, but that doesn’t stop it from being true.

As for Lindsey and Irving, I’m sure Irving has found Lindsey to be a pain in the behind for many years. But, Irving tolerated him because there was money to be made. I’m sure Lindsey‘s comments about the classic didn’t make him happy, but the Eagles were pretty open about reuniting as a cash grab and it didn’t make a difference. The difference here is that Stevie did not want Lindsey in the band anymore And it was clear that the band would still be able to sell tickets without Lindsey. That’s the writing on the wall That led to Lindsey’s firing

As for Stevie and the grievances that caused Her to pull the trigger this time, Who knows? MusiCares, BuckVie, Lindsey being rude in the media, probably countless incidents of Lindsey being rude or less than worshipful. Heck, she probably has reasons going all the way back to 1968. And she’s probably justified, because the two of them have a unique ability to be completely nasty to each other in public and in private. I do believe that Lindsey was right and suing over being fired from the tour, but after he settled, the interviews he gave were so smug and rude. I can’t understand what delusion makes him think that they would want to reunite after something like that.

Let’s hope they stay far away from each other
^^^
All of this. They truly have a toxic relationship, and have for 50 years. They're both guilty, but the bottom line is that Old Goatsy holds higher cards than he does, and she played them, ruining the legacy of the band. She demands to be treated as the queen, and he can't/ won't do that. I don't blame him. Because she's an idiot.

[bwboy]

One thing about Neil’s comments, I wonder if “At least someone with something going for them is singing my songs” was a subtle dig at Billy Burnette?

Your comment had me rereading what Neil said to see if there was more context, but there really wasn’t. I have no idea what Neil meant by that statement but no way do I believe it was a dig at Billy. Neil seems like a real stand up guy, and I just can’t see him kicking somebody. Even when Billy expressed frustration about not being asked to rejoin FM, he never once badmouthed Neil or Mike, so I can’t see any reason for Neil to be snippy with Billy.

Still, it is an odd comment. Maybe he meant something more along the lines of “Lindsey might be happy we’re not completely ignoring his contributions to FM by singing a couple of his songs?”

[The Catdancer]

Hm, I think she pulled off Wild Heart and Bella Donna live, I don’t see why she couldn’t do Angel. She’s already singing so many of her other songs in different keys to the original recordings, I think with the right treatment, Angel could work. That said I am sure there are many people on here who don’t think Stevie should be singing at all anymore.

I'm one of them.

[Villavic]

As for Stevie and the grievances that caused Her to pull the trigger this time, Who knows? MusiCares, BuckVie, Lindsey being rude in the media, probably countless incidents of Lindsey being rude or less than worshipful. Heck, she probably has reasons going all the way back to 1968. And she’s probably justified, because the two of them have a unique ability to be completely nasty to each other in public and in private. I do believe that Lindsey was right and suing over being fired from the tour, but after he settled, the interviews he gave were so smug and rude. I can’t understand what delusion makes him think that they would want to reunite after something like that.

Let’s hope they stay far away from each other

YES! I've read all ledgies theories and speculations and they make sense. But always think that beyond the MusiCares episode, Azzoff testimonials, etc. etc., there are several thing we don't and will never know.

As they say in Seconds from Disaster show, Disasters don't just happen. They are a chain of (several) critical events. (Disasters never happen for just one reason).

Lindsey's firing was a disaster. And many of those critical events, we will never know.

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah, well, word is that she kept Bob out of the R&RHOF, too. She wasn't perfekt.

You need to stop believing every rumour you read. The source was a little wacky (at best). I do understand that you're "easy" however. :wavey:

[SteveMacD]

Your comment had me rereading what Neil said to see if there was more context, but there really wasn’t. I have no idea what Neil meant by that statement but no way do I believe it was a dig at Billy. Neil seems like a real stand up guy, and I just can’t see him kicking somebody. Even when Billy expressed frustration about not being asked to rejoin FM, he never once badmouthed Neil or Mike, so I can’t see any reason for Neil to be snippy with Billy.

Still, it is an odd comment. Maybe he meant something more along the lines of “Lindsey might be happy we’re not completely ignoring his contributions to FM by singing a couple of his songs?”

“I’d never heard of Neil Finn before. I just didn’t understand it at all. I felt that I could have come back in and done it just as well.”

[jbrownsjr]

“I’d never heard of Neil Finn before. I just didn’t understand it at all. I felt that I could have come back in and done it just as well.”

Billy said that?

[SteveMacD]

Billy said that?

To Rolling Stone last year.

[BigAl84]

On one hand I can kind of understand why Billy may have been a little shocked to not get any kind of phone call from Mick, but it has been 30+ years since 1987 so If I were Billy or Rick, I wouldn't make any big assumptions about anything. Making dismissive remarks about Neil definitely isn't a good look, Billy sounds bitter.

[elle]

I thought it was interesting that Neil told it like it was. Specifically, he clearly said that things in Fleetwood Mac are run according to what Stevie wants. I don’t think anyone else has openly said that within the band.
because she was NOT the boss before Lindsey was fired. and she became a sole ruler once he was gone, which is very clear from Neil's interview. no matter what credentials existing or added band members had under their belt, on 2019 tour it was Stevie's way or the highway.

As for Stevie and the grievances that caused Her to pull the trigger this time, Who knows?
i think you answered that question with the above. she wanted to be the boss in the band (therefore all her fumbling about her not being the boss in that disastrous first tv unreview with the "new" band), and as long as Lindsey was in the band, that was not happening.

[HomerMcvie]

On one hand I can kind of understand why Billy may have been a little shocked to not get any kind of phone call from Mick, but it has been 30+ years since 1987 so If I were Billy or Rick, I wouldn't make any big assumptions about anything. Making dismissive remarks about Neil definitely isn't a good look, Billy sounds bitter.

Wouldn't you be majorly disappointed as well? Can you blame him?

[aleuzzi]

Wouldn't you be majorly disappointed as well? Can you blame him?

I can see why Billy was hurt. I can also see that FM wanted someone with a bit of pop relevance. I'm not sure Neil was the best choice, though he acquitted himself well.

For what it's worth, in 1987, Billy was hired over Welch returning. Welch said in his Q&A that he asked to rejoin when Lindsey left, but he never got a response. FM must have thought about Bob in 87 what they thought of Billy in 2018: best not to move backward...

[HomerMcvie]

I can see why Billy was hurt. I can also see that FM wanted someone with a bit of pop relevance. I'm not sure Neil was the best choice, though he acquitted himself well.

For what it's worth, in 1987, Billy was hired over Welch returning. Welch said in his Q&A that he asked to rejoin when Lindsey left, but he never got a response. FM must have thought about Bob in 87 what they thought of Billy in 2018: best not to move backward...

Bob wasn't a great singer, and that was probably a factor?
I've always liked Billy's voice. It's soothing, like Christine's.

[BigAl84]

Wouldn't you be majorly disappointed as well? Can you blame him?

I totally don't blame him for being disappointed! But even as a fan of the band, I've come to learn to never expect loyalty from the majority of that band, especially from Mick.

[David]

I totally don't blame him for being disappointed! But even as a fan of the band, I've come to learn to never expect loyalty from the majority of that band, especially from Mick.

I think I can understand and sympathize with Billy’s disappointment. But he’s been in the music biz long enough to know how it works at the Fleetwood Mac level. He’s a personable guy onstage, a good vocalist and performer, and a songwriter with standing among his peers. But when the organization is as big as Fleetwood Mac, you have all those agents and managers who are looking for the biggest paycheck possible. The American managers were probably down with Mike Campbell because he’s a legend with name recognition in American rock, but lord knows what they thought of Mick’s wish to hire Neil Finn, who had been off the American radio landscape for several decades. The managers were probably hoping for somebody like Ed Sheeran or Adam Levine — somebody who sold out venues in America. Maybe the lead singer in Coldplay or the guy who wrote “Over My Head.” Or Drake. Or Cher.

[SteveMacD]

but lord knows what they thought of Mick’s wish to hire Neil Finn, who had been off the American radio landscape for several decades.

I think they were probably thrilled. “Don’t Dream It’s Over” was one of the more iconic songs from the ‘80s, Neil Finn kept the critics darling art rocker vibe going, and he’s still popular amongst other major artists (like Eddie Vedder).

[FuzzyPlum]

I think I can understand and sympathize with Billy’s disappointment. But he’s been in the music biz long enough to know how it works at the Fleetwood Mac level. He’s a personable guy onstage, a good vocalist and performer, and a songwriter with standing among his peers. But when the organization is as big as Fleetwood Mac, you have all those agents and managers who are looking for the biggest paycheck possible. The American managers were probably down with Mike Campbell because he’s a legend with name recognition in American rock, but lord knows what they thought of Mick’s wish to hire Neil Finn, who had been off the American radio landscape for several decades. The managers were probably hoping for somebody like Ed Sheeran or Adam Levine — somebody who sold out venues in America. Maybe the lead singer in Coldplay or the guy who wrote “Over My Head.” Or Drake. Or Cher.

Maybe one eye on writing/recording. There’s no getting away from the fact Neil Finn is an incredible songwriter. He can pluck a tune out of nowhere. Though I hate the idea of this iteration of the band, the idea of a fm record part-written by Neil Finn is intriguing. His killer songs with Stevie/Christine backing vocals and a few staples from Chris & Stevie (ahem)….coulda been a terrific album. Genuinely!!!

[BigAl84]

Stevie Nicks “shocked” by Neil Finn’s latest remarks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxfeqqkq4FE)

[jbrownsjr]

Stevie Nicks “shocked” by Neil Finn’s latest remarks (https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=UgwpW6yDE0hjZIeG)

Wow, she is really angry!!!

[HomerMcvie]

Wow, she is really angry!!!

She really is angry!
https://youtu.be/NGBqB_k84Ms?si=nGo5G9hD8_vWYylt

[David]

I think they were probably thrilled.I don’t think they were “thrilled.” I think they just wanted to get Mac out on the road.

“Don’t Dream It’s Over” was one of the more iconic songs from the ‘80s, Neil Finn kept the critics darling art rocker vibe going, and he’s still popular amongst other major artists (like Eddie Vedder).

If Americans remembered Neil at all, it was because of “Don’t Dream” and “Something So Strong” — pop hits from 1986. Since that time, their fanbase has been Australian and Asian and UK, not US. A string of their albums got good writeups but didn’t chart in the US any higher than Lindsey’s solo albums. I think the businessmen would have preferred a commercial powerhouse in the US had joined Mac, like the lead guitarist from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. That pleased the moneymen and the public.

[jbrownsjr]

I don’t think they were “thrilled.” I think they just wanted to get Mac out on the road.



If Americans remembered Neil at all, it was because of “Don’t Dream” and “Something So Strong” — pop hits from 1986. Since that time, their fanbase has been Australian and Asian and UK, not US. A string of their albums got good writeups but didn’t chart in the US any higher than Lindsey’s solo albums. I think the businessmen would have preferred a commercial powerhouse in the US had joined Mac, like the lead guitarist from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. That pleased the moneymen and the public.

Wasn't Pete Townsend being considered back when LB quit?

[SteveMacD]

Wasn't Pete Townsend being considered back when LB quit?

They REALLY wanted to play “Station Man,” didn’t they?

[jbrownsjr]

They REALLY wanted to play “Station Man,” didn’t they?

And Let My Love Open The Door :lol:

[David]

Wasn't Pete Townsend being considered back when LB quit?

Yes, but they didn’t feel that he quite captured “Everywhere” and “Gypsy.” Apparently, the kids were never alright with that.

[aleuzzi]

Wasn't Pete Townsend being considered back when LB quit?

Yes, but he balked when Stevie said she’d want to duet Magic Bus with him. :)

[SteveMacD]

Yes, but he balked when Stevie said she’d want to duet Magic Bus with him. :)

“You can’t have it.”

[jbrownsjr]

Yes, but he balked when Stevie said she’d want to duet Magic Bus with him. :)

He didn't know there was a blue lamp on the magic bus. :shrug:

[SteveMacD]

Wasn't Pete Townsend being considered back when LB quit?

I just read that 1984 RS interview and Lindsey said there was a rumor that Fleetwood Mac was going to get PT if he didn’t start working on the new album (TITN).

You know it was bad when Pete Townshend would have been the less difficult option.

[jbrownsjr]

I just read that 1984 RS interview and Lindsey said there was a rumor that Fleetwood Mac was going to get PT if he didn’t start working on the new album (TITN).

You know it was bad when Pete Townshend would have been the less difficult option.

That's hilarious. And, my memory has that article in my brain somewhere. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Ugh, I’m now imagining Klonopin-era Stevie singing “Baba O’Riley” and getting nauseous.

[jbrownsjr]

Ugh, I’m now imagining Klonopin-era Stevie singing “Baba O’Riley” and getting nauseous.

She can do lead on Substitute!

You think my shoeeeesss bahhhh are made of leather....

I look pretty tall, but my heals are high!!

substitute, Your lies for fact!

[SteveMacD]

She can do lead on Substitute!

You think my shoeeeesss bahhhh are made of leather....

I look pretty tall, but my heals are high!!

substitute, Your lies for fact!

“Pete Townshend is in Fleetwood Mac”

[jbrownsjr]

“Pete Townshend is in Fleetwood Mac”

:]:xoxo: That would have been somethin...

[HomerMcvie]

“Pete Townshend is in Fleetwood Mac”

Good lawd, NO.

Unpopular opinion, but THE WHO SUCKS. I like a couple of songs, and that's it.

"Roger Daltrey's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard!" - Keef Richards.

[Villavic]

Good lawd, NO.

Unpopular opinion, but THE WHO SUCKS. I like a couple of songs, and that's it.

"Roger Daltrey's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard!" - Keef Richards.

Now I remember when Daltrey went solo and released a song called Free Me. The video sucked, my TV almost exploded with his screams.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xEvxKlDsp_E/hqdefault.jpg

[FuzzyPlum]

They’d have needed two guitarists to replace Lindsey. Pete Townsend for one, plus bring back Jeremy Spencer.
Ahem…..

[SteveMacD]

Now I remember when Daltrey went solo and released a song called Free Me. The video sucked, my TV almost exploded with his screams.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xEvxKlDsp_E/hqdefault.jpg

I dug his cover of Murray Head’s “Say It Ain’t So,” which was The Who minus Pete. Incidentally, the Murray Head version had Bob Weston on slide guitar.

[jbrownsjr]

I woke up in a Illume doorway
A policeman knew my dress
He said, "You can go sleep away tonight
If you can get up and walk away away away away away

I staggered back to the underground velvet
And the breeze blew back my blue hair

I remember throwin' Lindsey around
And preachin' from my chair!!!!

awwww who are you ? (christine) who who, who who...

[SteveMacD]

I’m still blown away the band considered Eric Clapton a realistic option and they didn’t go for it.

[Villavic]

I don't think it is a good idea to replace (any) Fleetwood Mac member with a well known successful artist. Cause of course they would bring their hits to the FM show. I like that in a Prince's Trust Concert or in those called supergroup bands like Asia or Travelling Wilburys. But combining known artists in a band, it reduces its legitimacy.

[aleuzzi]

I just read that 1984 RS interview and Lindsey said there was a rumor that Fleetwood Mac was going to get PT if he didn’t start working on the new album (TITN).

You know it was bad when Pete Townshend would have been the less difficult option.

Totally. Could you imagine Pete T managing Stevie?

[jbrownsjr]

Totally. Could you imagine Pete T managing Stevie?

Imagine them doing Silver Springs?

[BigAl84]

Can you imagine Pete Townsend attempting to give constructive feedback to Stevie in the studio!? What a showdown that would have been.

[aleuzzi]

Imagine them doing Silver Springs?

hahahaa! Stevie would face him and shout. He would smash his guitar against Mick's kit.

Then, in ensuing interviews, Stevie would say, "Silver Springs" is about my great love, Pete Townsend. I realize that now.

[jbrownsjr]

hahahaa! Stevie would face him and shout. He would smash his guitar against Mick's kit.

Then, in ensuing interviews, Stevie would say, "Silver Springs" is about my great love, Pete Townsend. I realize that now.

Christine doing (who who... who who) during Who Are You has me in a constant state of laugher. :blob2:

[Mr Scarrott]

I don't think this has been posted before, but this seems to be a recent interview with Neil in which in part he talks about his FM experience. His comments strike me as a bit anodyne. He was a temp, albeit a classy one and seems to know it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD1gvSdszx4&t=1745s

[sue]

Oh sorry..I have to take umbrage at pokes at Roger Daltrey.
I saw The Who a life time ago..in 1966.
I was just sixteen and they appeared at my local Town Hall…tickets were 8 shillings !!!!…(under 50p now, less than a dollar)

Roger was gorgeous, they performed all the hits they’d had already.
And he sang pretty good.
He didn’t have his long curls yet…( when he truly was beautiful)…
They all still had their “Mod” hairstyle..

I was at high school so had to save for the ticket..tho I was a Saturday girl at Woolies..hahaha

[HomerMcvie]

Oh sorry..I have to take umbrage at pokes at Roger Daltrey.
I saw The Who a life time ago..in 1966.
I was just sixteen and they appeared at my local Town Hall…tickets were 8 shillings !!!!…(under 50p now, less than a dollar)

Roger was gorgeous, they performed all the hits they’d had already.
And he sang pretty good.
He didn’t have his long curls yet…( when he truly was beautiful)…
They all still had their “Mod” hairstyle..

I was at high school so had to save for the ticket..tho I was a Saturday girl at Woolies..hahaha
Does anyone have a mop handy?:D:p;)

[SteveMacD]

His comments strike me as a bit anodyne. He was a temp, albeit a classy one and seems to know it.

I think that’s just who he is. Whether or not the intention was just one tour when he joined, with Christine gone and the band over, he knows that’s what he effectively was.

I think there would have been more, even if only just Classic type shows, if not for the pandemic, but there’s really no need for him to go there.

[sue]

Does anyone have a mop handy?:D:p;)

👵🏻👵🏻👵🏻🤣🤣🤣…
And a bucket…

[jbrownsjr]

Oh sorry..I have to take umbrage at pokes at Roger Daltrey.
I saw The Who a life time ago..in 1966.
I was just sixteen and they appeared at my local Town Hall…tickets were 8 shillings !!!!…(under 50p now, less than a dollar)

Roger was gorgeous, they performed all the hits they’d had already.
And he sang pretty good.
He didn’t have his long curls yet…( when he truly was beautiful)…
They all still had their “Mod” hairstyle..

I was at high school so had to save for the ticket..tho I was a Saturday girl at Woolies..hahaha

Roger Daltry's toe nail clippings have more talent than goat.

[HomerMcvie]

Roger Daltry's toe nail clippings have more talent than goat.

Amen! Preach it!