Juliet - 1986 demo

[Macfan4life]

Now this is something. Stevie singing and the keyboards only. At the end Stevie says its wonderful and she is so smart ! :laugh:

I can see Lindsey rolling his eyes on this one :shocked:
I would have taken this over whatsa matta baby :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GSXyeyHH90

Oooh My Love
I was always intrigues how rough her voice was for this demo. I think the issue was that because she was not there much Lindsey had no time to really craft these relatively primitive demos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW34YriJu8M

[jbrownsjr]

Now this is something. Stevie singing and the keyboards only. At the end Stevie says its wonderful and she is so smart ! :laugh:

I can see Lindsey rolling his eyes on this one :shocked:
I would have taken this over whatsa matta baby :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GSXyeyHH90

Oooh My Love
I was always intrigues how rough her voice was for this demo. I think the issue was that because she was not there much Lindsey had no time to really craft these relatively primitive demos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW34YriJu8M

This was so painful, Tony and I had the same thought, "Can you imagine Christine's face?"

[BigAl84]

....yet there are a lot of fans who think she should release a compilation of her demos because they're such brilliant pieces of work that are often better than the finished product.

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[jbrownsjr]

....yet there are a lot of fans who think she should release a compilation of her demos because they're such brilliant pieces of work that are often better than the finished product.

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Especially, the demos where nobody helped her put it together. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Especially, the demos where nobody helped her put it together. :laugh:

Hey now, $he's a genius!






Said no one ever...

[Villavic]

....yet there are a lot of fans who think she should release a compilation of her demos because they're such brilliant pieces of work that are often better than the finished product.


But about Fleetwood Mac demos, alternative versions, etc., I did enjoy the deluxe and expanded editions where we could hear well known songs with different arrangements, lyrics, etc. Specially since the lack of new albums or the dissapointing new material (at least to me): Say You Will and specially the 2013 EP.

[BigAl84]

But about Fleetwood Mac demos, alternative versions, etc., I did enjoy the deluxe and expanded editions where we could hear well known songs with different arrangements, lyrics, etc. Specially since the lack of new albums or the dissapointing new material (at least to me): Say You Will and specially the 2013 EP.

Oh I really enjoy all of the alternate takes and demos in the Fleetwood Mac world!

[jbrownsjr]

But about Fleetwood Mac demos, alternative versions, etc., I did enjoy the deluxe and expanded editions where we could hear well known songs with different arrangements, lyrics, etc. Specially since the lack of new albums or the dissapointing new material (at least to me): Say You Will and specially the 2013 EP.

They are fun for that reason. Like imagining Christine's face listening to that demo.

[Macfan4life]

Juliet is fun in a demo kind of way.

Ooh My Love she does not sound well. She sounds drunk and her vocals are fried worse than anything on RAL. If she dropped this on the band before rehab no wonder Lindsey was like.....give us anything else. That explains why duds like Welcome to the room Sara and Whatsa matta baby made the album. These were the alternatives :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Juliet is fun in a demo kind of way.

Ooh My Love she does not sound well. She sounds drunk and her vocals are fried worse than anything on RAL. If she dropped this on the band before rehab no wonder Lindsey was like.....give us anything else. That explains why duds like Welcome to the room Sara and Whatsa matta baby made the album. These were the alternatives :lol:

It's like a BOOK OF MIRACLES!!!

[Macfan4life]

It's like a BOOK OF MIRACLES!!!
The sky is crying!!

[jbrownsjr]

The sky is crying!!

No! The sky is a blue lamp. w/ Ribbons and bows.

[Macfan4life]

No! The sky is a blue lamp. w/ Ribbons and bows.
You're a little bit like her...

[jbrownsjr]

You're a little bit like her...

Well, that's a hard one to tell.

[Macfan4life]

Well, that's a hard one to tell.
Cry and the wind says fly on

[Mr Scarrott]

I managed to get to 3:19 and then had to stop. It was the same sort of feeling that time had slowed down and that I was drifring in a black hole of despair that I last felt when I listened to Lizard People.

[jbrownsjr]

I managed to get to 3:19 and then had to stop. It was the same sort of feeling that time had slowed down and that I was drifring in a black hole of despair that I last felt when I listened to Lizard People.

I almost ripped my speakers out of the computer. :laugh:

[David]

Now this is something. Stevie singing and the keyboards only. At the end Stevie says its wonderful and she is so smart ! :laugh:

I can see Lindsey rolling his eyes on this one :shocked:
I would have taken this over whatsa matta baby :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GSXyeyHH90

I like her on drugs. But I don’t like her on this many drugs.

[Macfan4life]

I like her on drugs. But I don’t like her on this many drugs.
Second verse!

[jbrownsjr]

Second verse!

Imagine Christine's face when she said, "2nd verse" :lol:

[Macfan4life]

Imagine Christine's face when she said, "2nd verse" :lol:
I want to know who was responsible for turning these two turds into fairly good songs on her next solo album. She sounds like a strung out crack head singing ooh my love here. On OSOTM its one of the best songs on the album.
Rubert Hine is a genius or someone in her band gave her amazing tracks.

[jbrownsjr]

I want to know who was responsible for turning these two turds into fairly good songs on her next solo album. She sounds like a strung out crack head singing ooh my love here. On OSOTM its one of the best songs on the album.
Rubert Hine is a genius or someone in her band gave her amazing tracks.

Agreed, I love Juliet. Ohhh my love, not so much.. but after hearing the demo.. I might like it better.

[Macfan4life]

Agreed, I love Juliet. Ohhh my love, not so much.. but after hearing the demo.. I might like it better.
I want to know if Lindsey did the track Book of Miracles for Juliet but hated her singing and scrapped it and thought the musical track was worth keeping. If that is the case, did she not rip off Lindsey for OSOTM? Bruce Horsby already had a track to go by.

Can you get into that?

Ooh My Love is completely different and quite a good track. I thought it should have been her second single.

[bombaysaffires]

Her lyrics on Juliet and the musical track just don't mix well for me. Lots of words and interesting enough story but the way they have to be sort of shoe horned into that track is not great. At least Oooh My Love has a nice groove to it..... If she was a better musician she could have taken those lyrics to juliet and written a better accompaniment for it. :shrug: As it is she waits for someone to give her some kind of track to paste lyrics onto.

[Macfan4life]

Her lyrics on Juliet and the musical track just don't mix well for me. Lots of words and interesting enough story but the way they have to be sort of shoe horned into that track is not great. At least Oooh My Love has a nice groove to it..... If she was a better musician she could have taken those lyrics to juliet and written a better accompaniment for it. :shrug: As it is she waits for someone to give her some kind of track to paste lyrics onto.
She tries hard to tell the story but it's a hard one to tell

[jbrownsjr]

I want to know if Lindsey did the track Book of Miracles for Juliet but hated her singing and scrapped it and thought the musical track was worth keeping. If that is the case, did she not rip off Lindsey for OSOTM? Bruce Horsby already had a track to go by.

Can you get into that?

Ooh My Love is completely different and quite a good track. I thought it should have been her second single.

I'm pretty sure LB did write the instrumental track. Book of Miracles ended up as a B side. (Maybe to Everywhere) I forget.

I remember his name in the writing credits.

[Macfan4life]

I'm pretty sure LB did write the instrumental track. Book of Miracles ended up as a B side. (Maybe to Everywhere) I forget.

I remember his name in the writing credits.
Thats what I thought too. Not a coincidence that "book of miracles" appears in the lyrics to Juliet. Lindsey was really grasping at straws with what he had to work with in Stevie songs. This would have been the album to do the old demos that were shelved on earlier albums. But I suppose she wanted to impressed the band and submit new stuff.
What do you think she meant at the end when she says "I did not play, I did not play, I am so smart."

[jbrownsjr]

Thats what I thought too. Not a coincidence that "book of miracles" appears in the lyrics to Juliet. Lindsey was really grasping at straws with what he had to work with in Stevie songs. This would have been the album to do the old demos that were shelved on earlier albums. But I suppose she wanted to impressed the band and submit new stuff.
What do you think she meant at the end when she says "I did not play, I did not play, I am so smart."

You're gonna make me listen to that again??? :(:laugh:

[BrownEyedGirl26]

You're gonna make me listen to that again??? :(:laugh:

Hi jbrownsjr, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way about this version. I'm not a fan of the monotone way she sings this version but I like the finished version on OSOTM.:)

[jbrownsjr]

Hi jbrownsjr, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way about this version. I'm not a fan of the monotone way she sings this version but I like the finished version on OSOTM.:)

I quite like the finished version. Not a lot of folks like that album, but I love OSOTM.

[Macfan4life]

I quite like the finished version. Not a lot of folks like that album, but I love OSOTM.
Me too. There are definitely duds on the album. But IMHO it was such a HUGE step up from RAL. Its a brutally honest album and her early klonopin days let her reveal so much. I agree with Stevie that it is a magic album.

BTW, I've decided. I want this demo version of Juliet to be played at my funeral with no explanation given as loud as possible.

SECOND VERSE!

Stevie ditching rehab 2 days early and comparing the experience to prison and escaping from the police state of West Germany is beyond brilliant. For the first time in her life people told her what to do and she could not handle it. Had she stayed and completed a successful treatment could have prevented the klonopin years. It was because of her leaving early and calling the experience "really dumb" and firing her management company over it is what gave her friends concern she would relapse. Most rehab songs are positive but hers is so dark and brutal how can anyone not like it.

I will never forget the MTV music news break with Martha Quin who started with "Stevie Nicks, not talking to anyone" (Clearly a Talk To Me reference). Stevie checked in to Betty Ford for a 30 day stint but left after 28 days calling the experience "really dumb."
More music news later on MTV

[BigAl84]

but of course, for the past 20 years she spun it as the heroic experience that saved her life, glossing over the reality of what actually happened.

[jbrownsjr]

Me too. There are definitely duds on the album. But IMHO it was such a HUGE step up from RAL. Its a brutally honest album and her early klonopin days let her reveal so much. I agree with Stevie that it is a magic album.

BTW, I've decided. I want this demo version of Juliet to be played at my funeral with no explanation given as loud as possible.

SECOND VERSE!

Stevie ditching rehab 2 days early and comparing the experience to prison and escaping from the police state of West Germany is beyond brilliant. For the first time in her life people told her what to do and she could not handle it. Had she stayed and completed a successful treatment could have prevented the klonopin years. It was because of her leaving early and calling the experience "really dumb" and firing her management company over it is what gave her friends concern she would relapse. Most rehab songs are positive but hers is so dark and brutal how can anyone not like it.

I will never forget the MTV music news break with Martha Quin who started with "Stevie Nicks, not talking to anyone" (Clearly a Talk To Me reference). Stevie checked in to Betty Ford for a 30 day stint but left after 28 days calling the experience "really dumb."
More music news later on MTV

Why did she call it "dumb". I always thought she respected rehab.

[BigAl84]

LOL you know what was really "dumb"? Having your friend take the same amount of pills you currently take and see what happens. F*ck around and find out, it will be great!

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[jbrownsjr]

LOL you know what was really "dumb"? Having your friend take the same amount of pills you currently take and see what happens. F*ck around and find out, it will be great!

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExa3YzYjk3cXNkZDYydjR2OGV1d3huajhmc3lmazcyY2V5b3NkNmM5ayZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/a9xvvfeKvIiRXznX4C/giphy.gif

God I love your humor, BigAl.

[Macfan4life]

Why did she call it "dumb". I always thought she respected rehab.
She could not stand to be there and had to give some excuse for leaving early. She never wanted to go and resented the fact that her management company pretty much forced her to go. But starting with Mick's book and beyond is a picture painted that she completed a successful stint at rehab and it was her evil friends and evil doctor that got her hooked on another drug. Perhaps if she really did do a successful stint she would not have allowed herself to substitute one drug for another. She portrays herself as a victim for being forced into Betty Ford. Then she is a heroine for supposedly completing treatment and then a victim again by evil-doers who forced her on tranquilizers and kept upping her dose.
For Scarlett of course!

[HomerMcvie]

LOL you know what was really "dumb"? Having your friend take the same amount of pills you currently take and see what happens. F*ck around and find out, it will be great!

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What's truly amazeballs is that someone SO DUMB(because she truly is), managed to go so far in the music business(I almost said "in life"- but she hasn't done THAT- only in music). I guess being someone the entire world wanted to F$#% for a few years paid off. I mean, come on, she hasn't released anything of real substance for 41 years?

[jbrownsjr]

What's truly amazeballs is that someone SO DUMB(because she truly is), managed to go so far in the music business(I almost said "in life"- but she hasn't done THAT- only in music). I guess being someone the entire world wanted to F$#% for a few years paid off. I mean, come on, she hasn't released anything of real substance for 41 years?

Not so dumb, but she had a lot of luck. The Farrah Faucet era, really went far back then.

Christine stayed in her lane, and still passed away with millions.

LB much of the same, but I think he wanted the bigger lane. He out "smarted" himself, which was just as dumb. Know your audience.

[BigAl84]

Not so dumb, but she had a lot of luck. The Farrah Faucet era, really went far back then.

Christine stayed in her lane, and still passed away with millions.

LB much of the same, but I think he wanted the bigger lane. He out "smarted" himself, which was just as dumb. Know your audience.

Lindsey should have made an album with Christine in '87 while the rest of the lot sobered up. It would have saved him an entire decade of turmoil and BS. It probably would have gone over (with Stevie) about as well as it did in 2017.

[jbrownsjr]

Say what you will, about Goat, she's worked harder than any of them.

Anyone that has toured or sat in a studio knows this.

[HomerMcvie]

Say what you will, about Goat, she's worked harder than any of them.

Anyone that has toured or sat in a studio knows this.

$he wanted $uperstardom more than any of the rest of them, that's for sure.

[HomerMcvie]

Not so dumb, but she had a lot of luck. The Farrah Faucet era, really went far back then.

Christine stayed in her lane, and still passed away with millions.

LB much of the same, but I think he wanted the bigger lane. He out "smarted" himself, which was just as dumb. Know your audience.

I still maintain, after all these years, if $he'd been fugly, $he'd have gone nowhere.

No one ever wrote a song, Sit On My Face, Phyllis Diller. Just sayin'....
https://youtu.be/z0cKs_h59yk?si=WQLJtd9C-KQnB4vN

[Macfan4life]

Paul Fishkin: She was going to be a superstar or a nobody. Nothing in between.

[bombaysaffires]

Paul Fishkin: She was going to be a superstar or a nobody. Nothing in between.

that was Keith Olsen. ;) Regardless, that statement sums up her whole life.

Paul Fishkin did however have the quote that says it all but that everyone ignored: "All the near-overdoses on the road"

[Macfan4life]

that was Keith Olsen. ;) Regardless, that statement sums up her whole life.

Paul Fishkin did however have the quote that says it all but that everyone ignored: "All the near-overdoses on the road"
Yes and that line was cut from the Behind the Music. But it was in the previews.
You have a very good memory. Most would have forgotten that.

[Straightback]

Yes and that line was cut from the Behind the Music. But it was in the previews.
You have a very good memory. Most would have forgotten that.

"There were times, you know, when she, we had to just scrape her off the floor."

I remember watching back in the day and still have the original recording from when it first aired and thought, "Wait, did I miss that part?" I'd rewind, but nope, it was cut, and I always wondered why have it as a preview before commercial only to edit it out?

[bombaysaffires]

"There were times, you know, when she, we had to just scrape her off the floor."

I remember watching back in the day and still have the original recording from when it first aired and thought, "Wait, did I miss that part?" I'd rewind, but nope, it was cut, and I always wondered why have it as a preview before commercial only to edit it out?

I'm sure she demanded that it be left out. She really doesn't want people to know what a mess she was. Addiction is really ugly. I kind of don't blame her..but... I wonder if Paul Fishkin had to pay a price at least for a while for saying that.... Though she's been really nice about him since, saying what a good guy he was. And she was invited to his daughter's wedding and stood up and sang Landslide at the reception (not clear if that was planned or, you know... just Stevie)

[Macfan4life]

"There were times, you know, when she, we had to just scrape her off the floor."

I remember watching back in the day and still have the original recording from when it first aired and thought, "Wait, did I miss that part?" I'd rewind, but nope, it was cut, and I always wondered why have it as a preview before commercial only to edit it out?
I thought exactly the same thing. What a teaser that drop was though. I assume he was talking about the Wild Heart tour when Paul was still around in her career. Did he not sort of fall back post Wild Heart. Or maybe it was the RAL tour. The Red Rocks beginning is crazy when Dennis is trying to get her on stage and she is just running around with no direction as if she does not know or care she has to get to the stage. He looks like he is trying to herd a cat and physically take her to the stage with his hands.

[jbrownsjr]

I thought exactly the same thing. What a teaser that drop was though. I assume he was talking about the Wild Heart tour when Paul was still around in her career. Did he not sort of fall back post Wild Heart. Or maybe it was the RAL tour. The Red Rocks beginning is crazy when Dennis is trying to get her on stage and she is just running around with no direction as if she does not know or care she has to get to the stage. He looks like he is trying to herd a cat and physically take her to the stage with his hands.

That's funny it was in preview, and they never delivered. :laugh:

[bombaysaffires]

I thought exactly the same thing. What a teaser that drop was though. I assume he was talking about the Wild Heart tour when Paul was still around in her career. Did he not sort of fall back post Wild Heart. Or maybe it was the RAL tour. The Red Rocks beginning is crazy when Dennis is trying to get her on stage and she is just running around with no direction as if she does not know or care she has to get to the stage. He looks like he is trying to herd a cat and physically take her to the stage with his hands.

there was a whole period of time where you never saw her in public without someone on either side of her guiding her along/holding her up.:distress:

[jbrownsjr]

there was a whole period of time where you never saw her in public without someone on either side of her guiding her along/holding her up.:distress:

Wow, I do remember that. It looked like she was adored, but I never realized she just needed help.

[Villavic]

Since I just read Tango was announced 37 years ago, I was listening the Deluxe edition, bypassing some remixes I don't like.

But when I heard Juliet I thought humm, it's not that bad. Actually I like it far more than When I See You Again, and I'd have enjoyed it much more in the album, than the whatta matta baaabies.