Stevie goes to Europe

[mitzo]

Stevie has announced dates in July in London, Manchester, Glasgow, Dublin, Antwerp, and Amsterdam.

[UnwindedDreams]

Wow. This is the most exciting thing she's done since the Songs From The Vault Tour. Maybe Australia and New Zealand will follow.

Could new music be released before this tour?

[secret love]

Wow. This is the most exciting thing she's done since the Songs From The Vault Tour. Maybe Australia and New Zealand will follow.

Could new music be released before this tour?

Could be, maybe a new single or an EP of new songs. But I doubt she has a whole album of new music in the can ready to go. Would be cool if she came to Sydney!

[mtkad]

As expected - not cheap! £86.85 - £234.40 for standard tickets in Glasgow. On balance - not for me. I'm sure a lot of people will have fun, but I wouldn't be happy paying that amount for a show (likely) not too dissimilar to her Hyde Park 2017 support slot. Still, if you're a diehard or haven't been before - Enjoy!

[UnwindedDreams]

Could be, maybe a new single or an EP of new songs. But I doubt she has a whole album of new music in the can ready to go. Would be cool if she came to Sydney!
It has been 5 years since Fleetwood Mac has played Sydney and Stevie played Australia and New Zealand on her 2011 and 2017 tours so I think she’ll end up in Australia in July or August! Please God she’ll actually do hits like Talk To Me, I Can’t Wait, and Rooms On Fire!

[sue]

Not for me…it will be super expensive..
Maybe upto 10 years ago I would have considered going to see her..
but not theses days
Same old playlist ….same old stories….same old frocks.

[UnwindedDreams]

Not for me…it will be super expensive..
Maybe upto 10 years ago I would have considered going to see her..
but not theses days
Same old playlist ….same old stories….same old frocks.
Did you see the On With The Show Tour in 2015, sue?

This show might be worth going to. Even though she's been on the same tour since 2022, I have a feeling she's going to mix it up for the European dates since she hasn't toured there since 1989.

[sue]

Did you see the On With The Show Tour in 2015, sue?

This show might be worth going to. Even though she's been on the same tour since 2022, I have a feeling she's going to mix it up for the European dates since she hasn't toured there since 1989.

I did see On with the Show….in Leeds. (My husband comes from Halifax so we made a trip of it)
Great small venue.
Yes you re right she might mix it up…I hope she does.
Are you thinking of going ?

[UnwindedDreams]

I did see On with the Show….in Leeds. (My husband comes from Halifax so we made a trip of it)
Great small venue.
Yes you re right she might mix it up…I hope she does.
Are you thinking of going ?
Yes to London! I would like to have seen Fleetwood Mac in that arena. I listened to a recording of a wonderful Bruce Springsteen concert there from 2013.

Was the Fleetwood Mac show there very good?

[Jondalar]

She is like 76. This will probably be her last tour

[HomerMcvie]

She is like 76. This will probably be her last tour

She's addicted to it. She'll go until she can't. It's her "family":wavey:

[sue]

Yes to London! I would like to have seen Fleetwood Mac in that arena. I listened to a recording of a wonderful Bruce Springsteen concert there from 2013.

Was the Fleetwood Mac show there very good?

The show was very good very professional great sound.
I had seen video of previous shows so I knew what was coming…..but my husband who is not a big fan thought even 8 years ago they were going through the motions.
We sat on Lindsey’s side so that was great…we missed Silver Springs the last encore song ( we had to race to catch last bus back to Halifax) ..
So I cried all the way back….
Would I go and see them …yes I would, will I go and see Stevie…No.

[UnwindedDreams]

The show was very good very professional great sound.
I had seen video of previous shows so I knew what was coming…..but my husband who is not a big fan thought even 8 years ago they were going through the motions.
We sat on Lindsey’s side so that was great…we missed Silver Springs the last encore song ( we had to race to catch last bus back to Halifax) ..
So I cried all the way back….
Would I go and see them …yes I would, will I go and see Stevie…No.
That's fair. I don't think this will be her last tour. Darlene Love, Debbie Harry, Dionne Warwick, Cher, Diana Ross, Gladys Knight, Patti Smith, and Patti LaBelle still tour and they're in their LATE 70s or 80s. It may be her final European Tour but I'd bet she'll do Isle of Wight or Glastonbury before she retires as a one-off.

Silver Springs is great but that's probably the best example of going through the motions :laugh: I think Christine stopped playing Songbird on the Europe leg because her hand was hurting her. :(
Did you go to Wembley Stadium for the 2019 concert?

[sue]

That's fair. I don't think this will be her last tour. Darlene Love, Debbie Harry, Dionne Warwick, Cher, Diana Ross, Gladys Knight, Patti Smith, and Patti LaBelle still tour and they're in their LATE 70s or 80s. It may be her final European Tour but I'd bet she'll do Isle of Wight or Glastonbury before she retires as a one-off.

Silver Springs is great but that's probably the best example of going through the motions :laugh: I think Christine stopped playing Songbird on the Europe leg because her hand was hurting her. :(
Did you go to Wembley Stadium for the 2019 concert?

Christine did play Songbird July 2015 …Lindsey came out to accompany her.
No I didn’t go to Wembley 2019…I wouldn’t want to see them without Lindsey (well not after what happened in 2018).

I can’t see Stevie doing Glastonbury…I would like to be wrong.
She would fit the Legends spot on the Sunday afternoon…Shania Twain is doing it this year..but I think Stevie would ask too large a fee.
Yusuf/Cat Stevens did it last year and was wonderful…

[BigAl84]

That's fair. I don't think this will be her last tour. Darlene Love, Debbie Harry, Dionne Warwick, Cher, Diana Ross, Gladys Knight, Patti Smith, and Patti LaBelle still tour and they're in their LATE 70s or 80s.

What sets most of them apart is they still have artistic integrity.

[UnwindedDreams]

What sets most of them apart is they still have artistic integrity.
If she tours Europe, Australia, and New Zealand this year and does the Free Fallin/Buffalo Springfield setlist, that would really be depressing for me as a fan. She should be taking NEW MUSIC around the world like she did with In Your Dreams… I still don’t think 24 Karat Gold was a tour for that album.

Maybe Mick Fleetwood will join her on tour.

[SteveMacD]

She's addicted to it. She'll go until she can't. It's her "family":wavey:

I just had a flashback to Patti Caldwell.

[Macfan4life]

Since OSOTM was her highest charting solo album in the UK and Europe, she should play the entire album for them.
;)

[UnwindedDreams]

Since OSOTM was her highest charting solo album in the UK and Europe, she should play the entire album for them.
;)
Two Kinds of Love with her vocal coach or Waddy! Did it chart at #3 in The United Kingdom?

[BrownEyedGirl26]

If she tours Europe, Australia, and New Zealand this year and does the Free Fallin/Buffalo Springfield setlist, that would really be depressing for me as a fan. She should be taking NEW MUSIC around the world like she did with In Your Dreams… I still don’t think 24 Karat Gold was a tour for that album.

Maybe Mick Fleetwood will join her on tour.

Considering that this might be the last chance we get to see her live, and might be her 'Swan Song', it would really be nice if she realises that, and can fine tune this tour so that she is remembered with the respect and admiration that she deserves.

I will, say this about all remaining 'Fireflies'. Also, please, recreate the original 'Rumours' American Indianeske 'Gold Dust Women' without the 'Crackhead dance'. This is distressing to watch, really it is. Just my opinion of course! Amen!🤗

[HomerMcvie]

I will, say this about all remaining 'Fireflies'. Also, please, recreate the original 'Rumours' American Indianeske 'Gold Dust Women' without the 'Crackhead dance'. This is distressing to watch, really it is. Just my opinion of course! Amen!🤗

I prey to my god that NO reunion ever happens. Anything beyond Lindsey getting fired, and Christine dying is just pathetic. Please let it be over.

[UnwindedDreams]

Considering that this might be the last chance we get to see her live, and might be her 'Swan Song', it would really be nice if she realises that, and can fine tune this tour so that she is remembered with the respect and admiration that she deserves.

I will, say this about all remaining 'Fireflies'. Also, please, recreate the original 'Rumours' American Indianeske 'Gold Dust Women' without the 'Crackhead dance'. This is distressing to watch, really it is. Just my opinion of course! Amen!��
I hope so too. My opinion is that she doesn't identify as an artist anymore but more as an evening entertainer. I'm with you on Gold Dust Woman... that shaking head "dance" is actually offensive. What if there are addicts or recovering addicts in the audience?

Also I was bummed Fireflies was not on the 2018-2019 Tour setlist...doesn't matter that Lindsey wasn't on the tour, they still sang 3 of his songs, they could have sung Fireflies.

[sue]

I hope so too. My opinion is that she doesn't identify as an artist anymore but more as an evening entertainer. I'm with you on Gold Dust Woman... that shaking head "dance" is actually offensive. What if there are addicts or recovering addicts in the audience?

Also I was bummed Fireflies was not on the 2018-2019 Tour setlist...doesn't matter that Lindsey wasn't on the tour, they still sang 3 of his songs, they could have sung Fireflies.

That stupid stupid dance during Gold dust woman was toe cringing embarrassing..
I never understood why someone …in the band, management, lighting bloke just someone, never said…
that dance you do it’s bad, real bad.

[HomerMcvie]

That stupid stupid dance during Gold dust woman was toe cringing embarrassing..
I never understood why someone …in the band, management, lighting bloke just someone, never said…
that dance you do it’s bad, real bad.

Because $he's not the BOSS. You criticize Mama AND YOU'RE GONE.

[UnwindedDreams]

That stupid stupid dance during Gold dust woman was toe cringing embarrassing..
I never understood why someone …in the band, management, lighting bloke just someone, never said…
that dance you do it’s bad, real bad.
She told her audience every tour she asks Waddy if Gold Dust Woman can be dropped and he says No. I doubt that, she’s the boss and she loves doing those bizarre shakes that get the crowd going. GDW could be 7 minutes top live and she could do another song!

[BigAl84]

That stupid stupid dance during Gold dust woman was toe cringing embarrassing..
I never understood why someone …in the band, management, lighting bloke just someone, never said…
that dance you do it’s bad, real bad.

We all know why nobody spoke up!!! You wind up kicked out of the band. She's such an ego maniac she has no interest in the bands opinion. Plain and simple.

[BigAl84]

She told her audience every tour she asks Waddy if Gold Dust Woman can be dropped and he says No. I doubt that, she’s the boss and she loves doing those bizarre shakes that get the crowd going. GDW could be 7 minutes top live and she could do another song!

She's all about the big numbers that get the big audience response. She's continued to exploit Free Falling because it's one giant sing along that goes over really well. Now she'll exploit Christine's death for the next five years to pull on everyone's heart strings during landslide - making everyone forget just how overdone that song had become since 1997. Plus she's incapable of thinking of a different way to pay tribute to Christine, the lowest common denominator, the most obvious choice of all time is to use Landslide. That's all she gravitates towards these days. The most boring, expected, status quo decisions. But the entertainment writers love the nostalgic chatty grandma schtick that she's leaned so heavily into...

[sue]

We all know why nobody spoke up!!! You wind up kicked out of the band. She's such an ego maniac she has no interest in the bands opinion. Plain and simple.

Haha…the real reason Lindsey was fired…
Not smirking, or chatting to Christine…No
He told her …your bum looks big when you do the artistic Crackhead dance.

[BigAl84]

Haha…the real reason Lindsey was fired…
Not smirking, or chatting to Christine…No
He told her …your bum looks big when you do the artistic Crackhead dance.

You wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan!!! :]:]:]

[sue]

You wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan!!! :]:]:]

Too true..my husband has 28 Bob cds and 7 old vinyls.
So Bob is God…

[HomerMcvie]

Too true..my husband has 28 Bob cds and 7 old vinyls.
So Bob is God…

He can listen to 35 albums of a man that sings worse than $tevie? That's a strong man you've got there. ;)

[BrownEyedGirl26]

That stupid stupid dance during Gold dust woman was toe cringing embarrassing..
I never understood why someone Â…in the band, management, lighting bloke just someone, never saidÂ…
that dance you do itÂ’s bad, real bad.

I cringe and, also, think about the 'casual fan' who doesn't know about the drugs and the 'Go Insane' time-line in her life. They must be thinking, what the heck is this all about?:shrug:
I also feel bad about the recovered addicts that just want to hear 'Dreams', 'Landslide', 'Sara', 'Sisters Of The Moon', or literally anything other than watch this! It disconnects her from her audience, instead of connecting with them. Please recreate the original Rumours version of 'Gold Dust Woman' with the beautifully haunting atmospheric American Indian, eske sound, that we love.

[sue]

He can listen to 35 albums of a man that sings worse than $tevie? That's a strong man you've got there. ;)

Every Saturday morning he would say..(as if it were a surprise)..
“Think I’m going to have a Bob morning”

[UnwindedDreams]

She's all about the big numbers that get the big audience response. She's continued to exploit Free Falling because it's one giant sing along that goes over really well. Now she'll exploit Christine's death for the next five years to pull on everyone's heart strings during landslide - making everyone forget just how overdone that song had become since 1997. Plus she's incapable of thinking of a different way to pay tribute to Christine, the lowest common denominator, the most obvious choice of all time is to use Landslide. That's all she gravitates towards these days. The most boring, expected, status quo decisions. But the entertainment writers love the nostalgic chatty grandma schtick that she's leaned so heavily into...
This is a really well thought out point. You're right. With the video wall behind her, she could do Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You, Sara or even Crystal!
Free Fallin' has been played every show since October 2018. Please give it up.

[BigAl84]

I hate to drone on about this stuff, but it's her really annoying combination of super lazy decisions yet extremely calculated. That zaps any sincerity out of it, for me personally. She knows Landslide is a big, emotional, casual-fan crowd favorite. So how do we amp it up yet another notch? Tie Christine's death into the mix. Super gross, in my opinion. I'm surprised she doesn't have a little spritzer water bottle in her pocket to mist her face with for some extra theatrics.

I wouldn't feel this way if she would have discontinued the Free Falling tribute by the next tour she did following Tom's passing. The fact that it's still there 7 years later proves it's less and less about Tom every day and more about wanting a schmaltzy schtick moment at the end of her show that completely lets her off the hook.

I'm sure by this time next year the Christine stories will be even more exaggerated and completely skewed from reality. But don't expect the photo montage to be updated with different photos, that would be too much work for this well oiled roadshow carousel of hitz. End of rant.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

I hate to drone on about this stuff, but it's her really annoying combination of super lazy decisions yet extremely calculated. That zaps any sincerity out of it, for me personally. She knows Landslide is a big, emotional, casual-fan crowd favorite. So how do we amp it up yet another notch? Tie Christine's death into the mix. Super gross, in my opinion. I'm surprised she doesn't have a little spritzer water bottle in her pocket to mist her face with for some extra theatrics.

I wouldn't feel this way if she would have discontinued the Free Falling tribute by the next tour she did following Tom's passing. The fact that it's still there 7 years later proves it's less and less about Tom every day and more about wanting a schmaltzy schtick moment at the end of her show that completely lets her off the hook.

I'm sure by this time next year the Christine stories will be even more exaggerated and completely skewed from reality. But don't expect the photo montage to be updated with different photos, that would be too much work for this well oiled roadshow carousel of hitz. End of rant.

Hi BigAl84,

Is there any way, we can make suggestions and let her know what is best for her, going forward, so we can all stop droning on and on about her song and costume choices, etc...? I know I'm dreaming but I can't help but wonder If only.....!:shrug:

[BigAl84]

Hi BigAl84,

Is there any way, we can make suggestions and let her know what is best for her, going forward, so we can all stop droning on and on about her song and costume choices, etc...? I know I'm dreaming but I can't help but wonder If only.....!:shrug:

I’m not one to tell somebody what’s best for them, but I do wonder if she has any idea how she’s alienated a huge chunk of her long-term fanbase.

[HomerMcvie]

Hi BigAl84,

Is there any way, we can make suggestions and let her know what is best for her, going forward, so we can all stop droning on and on about her song and costume choices, etc...? I know I'm dreaming but I can't help but wonder If only.....!:shrug:

BigAl is allowed his opinion just like anybody else. Why do you try to stifle it?

[UnwindedDreams]

I wouldn't feel this way if she would have discontinued the Free Falling tribute by the next tour she did following Tom's passing. The fact that it's still there 7 years later proves it's less and less about Tom every day and more about wanting a schmaltzy schtick moment at the end of her show that completely lets her off the hook.

Free Fallin' should have been played on her Australia and New Zealand 2017 Songs From The Vault Tour it took place from November 1 through November 25, 2017. If Mike Campbell's work as a Heartbreaker or songwriter had to be showcased on the 2018-2019 Fleetwood Mac Tour, they could have done Stop Draggin' My Heart Around with Neil on vocals or Mike since Mike's singing voice sounds like Tom's, Freedom from Behind The Mask, Whole Lotta Trouble, or Blue Denim. It is what it is. Behind The Mask Tour setlist blew the 2018-2019 Tour away.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

BigAl is allowed his opinion just like anybody else. Why do you try to stifle it?

Hi HomerMcvie,

I'm not trying to stifle BigAl's opinion. On the contrary, I agree with them!:xoxo: I'm sorry, if it doesn't sound that way to you!:sorry:

[SteveMacD]

Free Fallin' should have been played on her Australia and New Zealand 2017 Songs From The Vault Tour it took place from November 1 through November 25, 2017. If Mike Campbell's work as a Heartbreaker or songwriter had to be showcased on the 2018-2019 Fleetwood Mac Tour, they could have done Stop Draggin' My Heart Around with Neil on vocals or Mike since Mike's singing voice sounds like Tom's, Freedom from Behind The Mask, Whole Lotta Trouble, or Blue Denim. It is what it is. Behind The Mask Tour setlist blew the 2018-2019 Tour away.

And?

People would still have been pissed.

The lyrics to “Free Fallin’” were poignant as a tribute to its author, especially how she slightly changed them (“I want to write your name in the sky”).

I really don’t know why you still keep pushing this narrative that the band is somehow obliged to rules -rules you made up- to play certain songs. They could play Zep IV in its entirety for all I care (which would’ve been hilarious). I mean, god forbid they feel an ounce of external inspiration.

You complain about stale setlists and then complain when they actually do something different.

[secret love]

And?

People would still have been pissed.

The lyrics to “Free Fallin’” were poignant as a tribute to its author, especially how she slightly changed them (“I want to write your name in the sky”).

I really don’t know why you still keep pushing this narrative that the band is somehow obliged to rules -rules you made up- to play certain songs. They could play Zep IV in its entirety for all I care (which would’ve been hilarious). I mean, god forbid they feel an ounce of external inspiration.

You complain about stale setlists and then complain when they actually do something different.
All most people do on The Ledge is complain. Myself included

[UnwindedDreams]

And?

People would still have been pissed.

The lyrics to “Free Fallin’” were poignant as a tribute to its author, especially how she slightly changed them (“I want to write your name in the sky”).

I really don’t know why you still keep pushing this narrative that the band is somehow obliged to rules -rules you made up- to play certain songs. They could play Zep IV in its entirety for all I care (which would’ve been hilarious). I mean, god forbid they feel an ounce of external inspiration.

You complain about stale setlists and then complain when they actually do something different.What rule did I promulgate in the post I made that you replied too? That Stevie should have only done Free Fallin in 2017. It's not a rule. It's my opinion. 2017 is when Tom passed. That would have been a nice tribute then. Doing it in 2018, IMO, was a year too late. I think showing Mike's work with Stevie would have been external inspiration. I also don't feel Don't Dream It's Over should have been played, AS A PAYING CUSTOMER. My opinion... I guess you want it written before every sentence... My Opinion. Let Michele tell me to do that and I will.

I paid a lot of money to go to four shows in 2018 and 2019, before I knew what the setlist was. Your rule is that you don't want to hear criticism of the 2018 Tour setlist. Never respectful to people's posts. Stop being so grouchy, hiding behind your keyboard. It's a community discussion board. We're all human beings. As Mick says: be kind to one another. Perhaps you don't applaud when he says that.

Fleetwood Mac has done something different in every setlist since The Dance.

[BigAl84]

Pushing narratives is kinda exactly what we're talking about here....a Tom Petty tribute that's still in the encore slot of a Stevie Nicks show almost 8 years after his death in addition to the revisionist push to portray her and Prince as best friends. It's some wacky sh*t at this point, IMO.

Perhaps I'm too pessimistic, but I find it to be a major flex to cough it all up to external inspiration at this point. She's always been driven by what gets the biggest audience response and she's taking the Petty & Prince tribute to the effing bank because it works.

I didn't see a single 2018 show out of principle, but I also knew there was a 75% shot that anything unique they would do with pre-75 material would be scrubbed from the setlist after an initial trial period. It turns out, thats pretty much what happened.

[HomerMcvie]

I didn't see a single 2018 show out of principle, but I also knew there was a 75% shot that anything unique they would do with pre-75 material would be scrubbed from the setlist after an initial trial period. It turns out, thats pretty much what happened.

2018 is the first tour I've ever missed. Because it was ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL firing Lindsey. And I refused to support that. Thanks a lot, $tevie.

[David]

I didn't see a single 2018 show out of principle, but I also knew there was a 75% shot that anything unique they would do with pre-75 material would be scrubbed from the setlist after an initial trial period. It turns out, thats pretty much what happened.
I took a quick glance at the set lists on Wiki. I know they dropped this and that, but the sets were great on paper. You had all the hits, of course, but also the long-lost additions:


Black Magic Woman
Tell Me All the Things You Do
World Turning
All Over Again
Hypnotized
Isn’t It Midnight
Man of the World
Blue Letter (at one concert)


I don’t think the performances on Don’t Dream It’s Over or Free Fallin’ or I Got You were great enough to warrant including any of them in the set, but whaddya gonna do?

This all proves, to me and once again, that it doesn’t really matter what they play as much as how they play. Put some spice or novelty in it, and you can play anything — even Peaches & Herb.

[BigAl84]

I took a quick glance at the set lists on Wiki. I know they dropped this and that, but the sets were great on paper. You had all the hits, of course, but also the long-lost additions:


Black Magic Woman
Tell Me All the Things You Do
World Turning
All Over Again
Hypnotized
Isn’t It Midnight
Man of the World
Blue Letter (at one concert)


I don’t think the performances on Don’t Dream It’s Over or Free Fallin’ or I Got You were great enough to warrant including any of them in the set, but whaddya gonna do?

This all proves, to me and once again, that it doesn’t really matter what they play as much as how they play. Put some spice or novelty in it, and you can play anything — even Peaches & Herb.

I agree. I never thought Mike's style ever really gelled with the '75-'87 material. It's nothing against him, he just wasn't the best fit for that material. The blues stuff? heck yeah! I think Rick & Billy were a better fit for that Rumours material.

In terms of how they played the material, in my opinion the setlist created a hodge podge/ junk drawer experience. I think they picked up on the weirdness of the setlist relatively quickly, but falsely blamed it on the pre '75 material and the amount of it.

This is how I'd organize the show. Ideally I would cut I Got You and Don't Dream, but if we had to keep it - this is what I came up with.

The Chain
Little Lies
Dreams
Second Hand News
Say You Love Me
Everywhere
Rhiannon

PRE '75 SET
Man Of The World
Black Magic Woman
Tell me All The Things You Do
Hypnotized
Oh Well


BAND INTRO > New Member Material
I Got You
Don't Dream It's Over

Monday Morning
Isn't It Midnight
Landslide
Storms
You Make Loving Fun
Gold Dust Woman
Go Your Own Way

ENCORE
World Turning
Don't Stop

ENCORE 2
Free Falling
All Over Again

[UnwindedDreams]

I agree. I never thought Mike's style ever really gelled with the '75-'87 material. It's nothing against him, he just wasn't the best fit for that material. The blues stuff? heck yeah! I think Rick & Billy were a better fit for that Rumours material.

In terms of how they played the material, in my opinion the setlist created a hodge podge/ junk drawer experience. I think they picked up on the weirdness of the setlist relatively quickly, but falsely blamed it on the pre '75 material and the amount of it.

This is how I'd organize the show. Ideally I would cut I Got You and Don't Dream, but if we had to keep it - this is what I came up with.

The Chain
Little Lies
Dreams
Second Hand News
Say You Love Me
Everywhere
Rhiannon

PRE '75 SET
Man Of The World
Black Magic Woman
Tell me All The Things You Do
Hypnotized
Oh Well


BAND INTRO > New Member Material
I Got You
Don't Dream It's Over

Monday Morning
Isn't It Midnight
Landslide
Storms
You Make Loving Fun
Gold Dust Woman
Go Your Own Way

ENCORE
World Turning
Don't Stop

ENCORE 2
Free Falling
All Over Again
My favorite thing about the 2018 Tour was Isn't It Midnight and Hold Me.
This is the setlist I hoped for after it was announced they'd be doing pre-FMFM songs(Hoped for new FM songs, but this one will leave out space for new songs because they were never going to record for this tour):
1. Blue Letter
2. Dreams
3. You Make Loving Fun
4. Oh Well
5. The Chain
6. In The Back of My Mind
7. Angel
8. Say You Love Me
9. Hypnotized
10. Sara
11. When The Sun Goes Down
12. As Long As You Follow
13. Rhiannon
14. Black Magic Woman (Neal vocal)
15. Isn't It Midnight
16. Freedom
17. Hold Me
18. Stand On the Rock
19. Stand Back
20. Rattlesnake Shake
21. Don't Stop
22. World Turning
23. No Questions Asked
24. Songbird

[secret love]

2018 is the first tour I've ever missed. Because it was ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL firing Lindsey. And I refused to support that. Thanks a lot, $tevie.

Obviously not literally a crime and while I too was disappointed that Lindsey was fired, may I point out that this happens in bands all the time. Talented musicians and talented people in general are fired all the time for interpersonal reasons despite being very good at what they do, be it playing guitar or Excel spreadsheets.

It's amazing Lindsey and Stevie were able to work together for as long as they did despite absolutely hating each other's guts.

[Macfan4life]

Obviously not literally a crime and while I too was disappointed that Lindsey was fired, may I point out that this happens in bands all the time. Talented musicians and talented people in general are fired all the time for interpersonal reasons despite being very good at what they do, be it playing guitar or Excel spreadsheets.

It's amazing Lindsey and Stevie were able to work together for as long as they did despite absolutely hating each other's guts.
All of what you say is true. IMHO there is an answer to your question why they were able to work with each other all those years but suddenly could not anymore. Something happened that never happened before. Fleetwood Mac was supposed to make an album and then tour. Stevie balked. The band went into the studio and recorded an album but went out of the way to not call it Fleetwood Mac. Had the band not done this I would put my money on Lindsey would have been on that 2018 tour but would not have had an album to promote. For the first time the band went on without her. She did not have the power to stop them. Lindsey touring with Chris really upped the jealousy. If the band had just cancelled their desire to make new music and waited for Stevie for the 2018 tour, I believe Lindsey would have been there. Stevie could not stand to be in the studio with Lindsey anymore. But she would have toured with the Mac. But the band going on and doing something without her and WITH Lindsey was a bridge too far. Her only card she had to throw was this last tour and she chose to say.......him or me.

[Villavic]

Well, I was more than happy that the 5 members reunited in 1997 and 2014. However, in 1987 Fleetwood Mac was supposed to make an album and then tour. Lindsey reluctantly agreed to tour for 10 weeks. Reluctantly, but he agreed, and that was a serious commitment. The band had started rehearsing, signing on readies, confirming dates with booking agents, or so I read. Then he took it back and the August 7 episode we all known happened at Christine’s home. More than that episode (of which there are different versions so I don't take it into account as much), the fact of abandoning them was the most unforgivable thing, IMHO.

Again, I was in full happiness to see the 5 guys in 1997 and 2014, but if it was me, if I was a band member, I would completely discard the possibility of reunite with somebody who ditched the band that way. If he had said NO TOUR from the start, I’d have respected that, but the way he left them was something very bad. So, how was it possible for them to reunite? Well, of course there was a good suitable mood, but after everything I've seen, it was definitely also to please the friend of those five: their wallets.

[BigAl84]

Well, I was more than happy that the 5 members reunited in 1997 and 2014. However, in 1987 Fleetwood Mac was supposed to make an album and then tour. Lindsey reluctantly agreed to tour for 10 weeks. Reluctantly, but he agreed, and that was a serious commitment. The band had started rehearsing, signing on readies, confirming dates with booking agents, or so I read. Then he took it back and the August 7 episode we all known happened at Christine’s home. More than that episode (of which there are different versions so I don't take it into account as much), the fact of abandoning them was the most unforgivable thing, IMHO.

Again, I was in full happiness to see the 5 guys in 1997 and 2014, but if it was me, if I was a band member, I would completely discard the possibility of reunite with somebody who ditched the band that way. If he had said NO TOUR from the start, I’d have respected that, but the way he left them was something very bad. So, how was it possible for them to reunite? Well, of course there was a good suitable mood, but after everything I've seen, it was definitely also to please the friend of those five: their wallets.

Ditched the band? I think you're forgetting the year long process of making Tango in which Lindsey, Christine, and Richard were the only people sober enough to see the project cross the finish line. Stevie only showed up for a mere few weeks. She also signed a contract agreeing to complete an album which she barely did. Questioning Lindsey's dedication to the band is quite a laughable stretch.

[BigAl84]

All of what you say is true. IMHO there is an answer to your question why they were able to work with each other all those years but suddenly could not anymore. Something happened that never happened before. Fleetwood Mac was supposed to make an album and then tour. Stevie balked. The band went into the studio and recorded an album but went out of the way to not call it Fleetwood Mac. Had the band not done this I would put my money on Lindsey would have been on that 2018 tour but would not have had an album to promote. For the first time the band went on without her. She did not have the power to stop them. Lindsey touring with Chris really upped the jealousy. If the band had just cancelled their desire to make new music and waited for Stevie for the 2018 tour, I believe Lindsey would have been there. Stevie could not stand to be in the studio with Lindsey anymore. But she would have toured with the Mac. But the band going on and doing something without her and WITH Lindsey was a bridge too far. Her only card she had to throw was this last tour and she chose to say.......him or me.

You nailed it. She was successful in shelving the project going all the way back to 2009/2010. Before the 2013 tour, Lindsey spoke to him and John cutting 8 or 9 tracks together with the hopes of it becoming a band project. A few things came out on the 2013 EP and the rest surfaced on BuckVie. I'll argue that Stevie has barely wanted to do a Fleetwood Mac album going all the way back to her complaining about Mirage in 1981/82. She barely showed up for Tango and had Sandy Stewart write the majority of Seven Wonders.

Let's be real, she resented being forced to do another Fleetwood Mac tour when Christine announced her return. She spoke heavily of taking major time off after the 2013 tour. The "contractual obligation" of the 24k Gold album kind of came out of nowhere and became her primary talking points as the 2014 Fleetwood Mac tour kicked off. She was forced to do an album in two weeks because she was forced to do another Fleetwood Mac tour. Then went out of her way to make sure her team got her on the cover of Rolling Stone in the midst of a Fleetwood Mac tour. If anyone should have been on the cover, it was Christine. The classy thing to do would have been to have the cover photo feature them both together. Christine was her best friend in the whole world, right?

Stevie's resentment and jealousy of the new band dynamics kicked in almost immediately. At the end of the day, the whole thing makes me chuckle because BuckVie will essentially go down as the last record Christine participated in and the last record to feature 4/5ths of Fleetwood Mac. She managed to screw herself out of a giant opportunity and the majority of the press acknowledged that she snubbed the entire band. She has to know she really f*cked up in a way she can never go back and fix, especially now that Christine is gone.

[Villavic]

Ditched the band? I think you're forgetting the year long process of making Tango in which Lindsey, Christine, and Richard were the only people sober enough to see the project cross the finish line. Questioning Lindsey's dedication to the band is quite a laughable stretch.

My point is, he should say An album but not tour from the beginning.

[BigAl84]

As an aside...has anyone else ever thought that entire "I had to make 24k Gold in two weeks" as potential BS? It's not like Warner/Reprise didn't benefit from having Fleetwood Mac out on tour. I'm pretty sure the execs at Warner were willing to give her an extension given the surprise return of Christine and the resulting tour.

I'd bet my paycheck they gave her two options. Get it done ASAP before the tour kicks off or do it after the Fleetwood Mac tour. We'll support you either way. With all the attention directed at Christine, she went with the first option so she could be the Fleetwood Mac martyr.

[BigAl84]

My point is, he should say An album but not tour from the beginning.

Yeah well, Stevie should have gotten sober before agreeing to album projects. It's a two way street.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

I took a quick glance at the set lists on Wiki. I know they dropped this and that, but the sets were great on paper. You had all the hits, of course, but also the long-lost additions:


Black Magic Woman
Tell Me All the Things You Do
World Turning
All Over Again
Hypnotized
Isn’t It Midnight
Man of the World
Blue Letter (at one concert)


I don’t think the performances on Don’t Dream It’s Over or Free Fallin’ or I Got You were great enough to warrant including any of them in the set, but whaddya gonna do?

This all proves, to me and once again, that it doesn’t really matter what they play as much as how they play. Put some spice or novelty in it, and you can play anything — even Peaches & Herb.

Hi David, Exactly this, in a nutshell! "It doesn't matter what they play but how they play". If they look like they're enjoying playing then we will enjoy watching them.:blob1: