On with the Show tour

[secret love]

How come no professionally shot concert film from the 2014-2015 On With the Show tour has ever been released? Or at least live CD? Mick has said they record the audio of every show on multi track, so it’s not like this wouldn’t be possible. But did the band even film any shows? I would have thought Christine’s return would have given them the impetus to do this.


Any ideas why this hasn’t happened?

[jmn3]

How come no professionally shot concert film from the 2014-2015 On With the Show tour has ever been released? Or at least live CD? Mick has said they record the audio of every show on multi track, so it’s not like this wouldn’t be possible. But did the band even film any shows? I would have thought Christine’s return would have given them the impetus to do this.


Any ideas why this hasn’t happened?

They’ve released nothing since the Live in Boston in 2004. My thought was you probably would’ve gotten something from 2014-15 but once they fired Lindsey and moved on with whatever that was in 2018-19, they weren’t going to go out with another LB fronted show cementing the Rumours 5 as THE lineup.

I doubt Stevie would sign off on it now although at some point if he could, I’m sure Mick would to make a buck.

[aleuzzi]

They’ve released nothing since the Live in Boston in 2004. My thought was you probably would’ve gotten something from 2014-15 but once they fired Lindsey and moved on with whatever that was in 2018-19, they weren’t going to go out with another LB fronted show cementing the Rumours 5 as THE lineup.

I doubt Stevie would sign off on it now although at some point if he could, I’m sure Mick would to make a buck.

“whatever that was in 2018-2019”—exactly! We know what it wasn’t. It wasn’t FM. And it wasn’t good.

[HomerMcvie]

They’ve released nothing since the Live in Boston in 2004. My thought was you probably would’ve gotten something from 2014-15 but once they fired Lindsey and moved on with whatever that was in 2018-19, they weren’t going to go out with another LB fronted show cementing the Rumours 5 as THE lineup.

I doubt Stevie would sign off on it now although at some point if he could, I’m sure Mick would to make a buck.

I've been saying it for 15 years, but...

Stevie Nicks RUINED Fleetwood Mac.

My words still ring true.

[nodmod]

How come no professionally shot concert film from the 2014-2015 On With the Show tour has ever been released? Or at least live CD? Mick has said they record the audio of every show on multi track, so it’s not like this wouldn’t be possible. But did the band even film any shows? I would have thought Christine’s return would have given them the impetus to do this.


Any ideas why this hasn’t happened?

I asked Mick this exact question on a meet n' greet and his reply was... "The content is on YouTube so we are not planning to release anything official", or words to that effect, it was back in 2014

[Macfan4life]

My speculation is they definitely would have filmed a final tour while promoting their new and final album in 2018.
I think the band knew it would be their swan song and final act. They were right. It was their swan song but not what they envisioned. No album and not all the members

[jbrownsjr]

My speculation is they definitely would have filmed a final tour while promoting their new and final album in 2018.
I think the band knew it would be their swan song and final act. They were right. It was their swan song but not what they envisioned. No album and not all the members

I like this guess. But, I doubt they were that savvy!!!

[jbrownsjr]

Would be great to have Behind the scenes DVD package of that whole tour. What a missed opportunity.

[Villavic]

I asked Mick this exact question on a meet n' greet and his reply was... "The content is on YouTube so we are not planning to release anything official", or words to that effect, it was back in 2014

The logic I see behind those words is that since there are lot of clips in YouTube, a video for sale wouldn't be a worthwhile commercial success.

[jbrownsjr]

The logic I see behind those words is that since there are lot of clips in YouTube, a video for sale wouldn't be a worthwhile commercial success.

They just didn't know how to market.

[David]

The Buckingham McVie tour would have also made a pretty good . . . whatever . . . show on cable or Blu-ray.

The Nicks show that was released in theaters — was that ever Blu-rayed? Can you buy it?

Was the Peter Green tribute ever Blu-rayed?

Was Live in Boston ever DVDd?

These guys don’t do a lot of home media, even though those two Blu-rays of Lindsey solo concerts are two of the best things we have. Those are really excellent on all levels — no flash, just substance. Stevie’s theater film looked like just the opposite — all flash, no substance. Her craft is marketing.

[Villavic]

Was Live in Boston ever DVDd?



You mean this? It was pretty good quality.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/A19DjWc+gAL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg

[HomerMcvie]

They just didn't know how to market.

With Irving in charge, they have NO excuse. The Eagles put out Farewell 1 double DVD set, and History of the Eagles. Both of which I've watched 100 times.

[soul_drifter333]

I just tried to watch this again recently and something about this DVD is so unsatisfying. I couldn't finish watching it. I saw the SYW tour twice and really enjoyed it, but this DVD doesn't represent what I saw at the concerts. At least Lindsey does have a couple rocking new songs.

You mean this? It was pretty good quality.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/A19DjWc+gAL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg

[Street_Dreamer]

I don't understand how/why it had to be on two DVDs. It may seem like a minor thing but it just made the whole thing so cheap to me.

I just tried to watch this again recently and something about this DVD is so unsatisfying. I couldn't finish watching it. I saw the SYW tour twice and really enjoyed it, but this DVD doesn't represent what I saw at the concerts. At least Lindsey does have a couple rocking new songs.

[HomerMcvie]

I don't understand how/why it had to be on two DVDs. It may seem like a minor thing but it just made the whole thing so cheap to me.

Do you know what's cheap? Fleetwood Mac without Queen Christine. That's cheap af.

[secret love]

The Buckingham McVie tour would have also made a pretty good . . . whatever . . . show on cable or Blu-ray.

The Nicks show that was released in theaters — was that ever Blu-rayed? Can you buy it?

Was the Peter Green tribute ever Blu-rayed?

Was Live in Boston ever DVDd?

These guys don’t do a lot of home media, even though those two Blu-rays of Lindsey solo concerts are two of the best things we have. Those are really excellent on all levels — no flash, just substance. Stevie’s theater film looked like just the opposite — all flash, no substance. Her craft is marketing.
Oh man, I would LOVE a DVD of the BuckVie tour. If they'd come to Australia I definitely would have gone to see them.

The 24 Karat Gold Nicks show - you can buy it, I have it on DVD. Came as a 2 CD 1 DVD set. Don't think you can get it on Blu Ray though.

Yes, Live in Boston - the 2003 show they filmed, have that too - came as a 2 DVD set with a live CD of 10 songs from the show. Was dumb how they split the show over 2 discs so you have to change the DVD out halfway through the concert. Also the CD is mainly old songs. They really should have had more than one Say You Will song (Come) on there.

[secret love]

Do you know what's cheap? Fleetwood Mac without Queen Christine. That's cheap af.

Well the band must agree with you because all signs are that line-up will never happen again. If I can say that - because there really is no band left anymore to agree or disagree with you.

[Macfan4life]

Can we PLEASE get just an unedited FULL Mirage show. For the love of God, this footage exists and its not being released. The band does not probably own the US Festival stuff but they professionally recorded a few dates in 1982. Yet we only get a little more than half the show. Much of it is spliced together and edited horribly. Gyspy was not the second song. Go Your Own Way was not the encore. The Chain was not the opener. Hold Me or Sara never included.

By the mid 80s rolled around Stevie and the Mac lip synced their "live" performances for commercial release. Mirage was the last tour with no background musicians, no lip syncs, no background tracks, no floating cameras for close ups, no solo tracks, etc.

Can we get please get a FULL Mirage show!

[soul_drifter333]

As much as I love the Mirage remaster, the live CD contained on Disc 3 is the exact same audio of the exact same show released on video. Didn't even sound like it had been remastered, much less have the unreleased edited tracks.

Can we PLEASE get just an unedited FULL Mirage show. For the love of God, this footage exists and its not being released. The band does not probably own the US Festival stuff but they professionally recorded a few dates in 1982. Yet we only get a little more than half the show. Much of it is spliced together and edited horribly. Gyspy was not the second song. Go Your Own Way was not the encore. The Chain was not the opener. Hold Me or Sara never included.

By the mid 80s rolled around Stevie and the Mac lip synced their "live" performances for commercial release. Mirage was the last tour with no background musicians, no lip syncs, no background tracks, no floating cameras for close ups, no solo tracks, etc.

Can we get please get a FULL Mirage show!

[soul_drifter333]

So they could charge more. :laugh: Equally frustrating is a CD with only 10 tracks. The band had lost their way by the early 2000s.

I don't understand how/why it had to be on two DVDs. It may seem like a minor thing but it just made the whole thing so cheap to me.

[jmn3]

Can we get please get a FULL Mirage show!

I'm with you but I'm afraid that ship has likely sailed. The chance was the Deluxe version with the live performances added. After the brilliant tracks they included on the Tusk Deluxe, what they did for Mirage was a crime. Those tracks were lifted directly from the old VHS/Laser Disc/ HBO / whatever the hell it was. They definitely weren't cleaned up in any meaningful way and there's a little hiccup/cut in Sisters of the Moon right before "so we make our choices" starts. A travesty!

I'm afraid the best we'll ever get was that Brown Eyes and Hold Me were ultimately given live releases on The Live 1980 Deluxe edition. We also got The Chain from one of the shows at The Forum in 1982 but it's mislabeled as Richfield Ohio 1980.

[Villavic]

I'm with you but I'm afraid that ship has likely sailed. The chance was the Deluxe version with the live performances added. After the brilliant tracks they included on the Tusk Deluxe, what they did for Mirage was a crime. Those tracks were lifted directly from the old VHS/Laser Disc/ HBO / whatever the hell it was. They definitely weren't cleaned up in any meaningful way and there's a little hiccup/cut in Sisters of the Moon right before "so we make our choices" starts. A travesty!
.

Does anybody know how did previous expanded and deluxe editions do in terms of sales? Cause if they weren't so good, even if the band wanted to release and remaster all that material, maybe they couldn't convince the record company that it would be worth it.

[Macfan4life]

I'm with you but I'm afraid that ship has likely sailed. The chance was the Deluxe version with the live performances added. After the brilliant tracks they included on the Tusk Deluxe, what they did for Mirage was a crime. Those tracks were lifted directly from the old VHS/Laser Disc/ HBO / whatever the hell it was. They definitely weren't cleaned up in any meaningful way and there's a little hiccup/cut in Sisters of the Moon right before "so we make our choices" starts. A travesty!

I'm afraid the best we'll ever get was that Brown Eyes and Hold Me were ultimately given live releases on The Live 1980 Deluxe edition. We also got The Chain from one of the shows at The Forum in 1982 but it's mislabeled as Richfield Ohio 1980.
I know, I know I am a silly dreamer. Someone is just really lazy or much of this material is destroyed or not owned by the band or something.
Its crazy that earlier tours have much more recordings both visual and audio. But the Mirage era is a blip even though it was a #1 album in the video age. They were really rushing through things to get to their solo careers and a much needed break from each other. I wish we knew why this footage is not around or given to the fans.
For example Stevie professionally recorded her solo tours in 1983, 1989, and 1991. But the drugs were so bad they were buried and then leaked many years later on bootlegs and youtube. Her 1986 show was lip synced to a live track. We have explanations. I demand a full FBI investigation of what happened to the Mirage footage. A live visual performance of Hold Me (one of the biggest hits of the 1980s) is as mysteriously hard to find as a sasquatch in the woods. Often heard but never seen.

[jmn3]

Does anybody know how did previous expanded and deluxe editions do in terms of sales? Cause if they weren't so good, even if the band wanted to release and remaster all that material, maybe they couldn't convince the record company that it would be worth it.

Well, here is what doesn't make sense. They did a great job on the live stuff added to the Deluxe editions of the white album, Rumours, and Tusk. Then for Mirage they half-assed it. And then for the Live album, they did a great job again. The apparent lack of care for the Mirage era is blasphemous!

We absolutely should have gotten one of the full shows from the Forum on the Mirage Deluxe release!

[jmn3]

I know, I know I am a silly dreamer. Someone is just really lazy or much of this material is destroyed or not owned by the band or something.
Its crazy that earlier tours have much more recordings both visual and audio. But the Mirage era is a blip even though it was a #1 album in the video age. They were really rushing through things to get to their solo careers and a much needed break from each other. I wish we knew why this footage is not around or given to the fans.
For example Stevie professionally recorded her solo tours in 1983, 1989, and 1991. But the drugs were so bad they were buried and then leaked many years later on bootlegs and youtube. Her 1986 show was lip synced to a live track. We have explanations. I demand a full FBI investigation of what happened to the Mirage footage. A live visual performance of Hold Me (one of the biggest hits of the 1980s) is as mysteriously hard to find as a sasquatch in the woods. Often heard but never seen.

The bands own treatment of Hold Me has been abysmal since the Mirage Tour ended. That it was never played again in the context of the band until that dopey 2018-19 version is beyond me. How Christine just ignored it and Little Lies for The Dance is simply unimaginable. Plus it should have been played on one or both of the Shake the Cage and Behind the Mask tours. It was one of their biggest hits!

[Macfan4life]

The bands own treatment of Hold Me has been abysmal since the Mirage Tour ended. That it was never played again in the context of the band until that dopey 2018-19 version is beyond me. How Christine just ignored it and Little Lies for The Dance is simply unimaginable. Plus it should have been played on one or both of the Shake the Cage and Behind the Mask tours. It was one of their biggest hits!
She did play it on her solo tour and it sounded fantastic. Thankfully Buck/Vie did it which was the first time both Chris and Lindsey sang it together live since 1982. Thats a crime right there. The Buck/Vie performance had some pre-recorded tracks. But her solo performance was all live and with several singers, they were able to cover the complicated chorus perfectly. None of that Hold me yeah stuff.

[BLY]

She did play it on her solo tour and it sounded fantastic. Thankfully Buck/Vie did it which was the first time both Chris and Lindsey sang it together live since 1982. Thats a crime right there. The Buck/Vie performance had some pre-recorded tracks. But her solo performance was all live and with several singers, they were able to cover the complicated chorus perfectly. None of that Hold me yeah stuff.

Yes her 1984 solo version really worked as did the BuckMcVie live version. It should have been done on the Dance tour and On With The Show tour. one of my favorite Mac songs.

[Macfan4life]

Yes her 1984 solo version really worked as did the BuckMcVie live version. It should have been done on the Dance tour and On With The Show tour. one of my favorite Mac songs.
Her 1984 version was at the grand piano. OMG she did that clever intro TWICE before starting the song. Sounded just like the record. That was an end of an era for the song because it would be decades before we heard it with the Buck/Vie tour. Lindsey's vocals with it was heaven but I am not sure the piano part was not pre-recorded and it definitely was not at a grand piano. I sense Chris never wanted to do the song without Lindsey which is why when he left it was not performed. But for the Dance? They had background vocalists then. It could have worked.

[HomerMcvie]

The piano was prerecorded. I watched her and Brett's hands, from front row. Neither was playing it.

[jbrownsjr]

You mean this? It was pretty good quality.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/A19DjWc+gAL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg

It's always seemed "mailed in" to me.

[secret love]

Her 1984 version was at the grand piano. OMG she did that clever intro TWICE before starting the song. Sounded just like the record. That was an end of an era for the song because it would be decades before we heard it with the Buck/Vie tour. Lindsey's vocals with it was heaven but I am not sure the piano part was not pre-recorded and it definitely was not at a grand piano. I sense Chris never wanted to do the song without Lindsey which is why when he left it was not performed. But for the Dance? They had background vocalists then. It could have worked.

Does video of the 1984 Hold Me exist? Link please!!

[jbrownsjr]

As much as I love the Mirage remaster, the live CD contained on Disc 3 is the exact same audio of the exact same show released on video. Didn't even sound like it had been remastered, much less have the unreleased edited tracks.

It's actually less. They edited NTF. It's shorter.

[HomerMcvie]

It's actually less. They edited NTF. It's shorter.

Are you trying to turn me into a believer, by proving to me that there IS a god?

[Macfan4life]

Does video of the 1984 Hold Me exist? Link please!!
Her solo tour was not professionally visually recorded (except for the Country Club) so video of it would be unlikely. But there are countless bootlegs around. I think her Jackson NJ show may have been professionally recorded (audio) because I have the bootleg on CD and it sounds great.
But here is Houston. Check it out at the 1:00:00 Hold Me starts. All real grand piano playing from start to end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnK2lhGglxU

[Villavic]

It's actually less. They edited NTF. It's shorter.

:mad:
That NTF (original Mirage video) is our favorite when I'm enjoying a Merlot with my bf on friday nights.

[HomerMcvie]

:mad:
That NTF (original Mirage video) is our favorite when I'm enjoying a Merlot with my bf on friday nights.

The screaming is absolutely HORRIFYING.

OH OH OOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOO.

Dreadful.

[Villavic]

I love when J&L play aroung mintute 5:20, 5:50 and Mick joins them. You can see they are so having fun.

[Macfan4life]

So everyone loves it when the goat screams but Lindsey cant scream a little.
Not. that. funny

[HomerMcvie]

I love when J&L play aroung mintute 5:20, 5:50 and Mick joins them. You can see they are so having fun.

Well, John sucking in Lindsey's pot fumes certainly is entertaining, but...

I've told this story 5000 times here, but the only way my friends would watch Mirage in high school, was if I fast forwarded through NTF. They HATED the screaming.

And that's probably my least favorite song on Tusk(okay, after Storms and Beautiful Child). I've never understood Lindsey's obsession with it.

[jbrownsjr]

The screaming is absolutely HORRIFYING.

OH OH OOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOO.

Dreadful.

They cut the drum solo. Sorry Homie, you'll have to sit on a cruise and bitch about something else!! :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Well, John sucking in Lindsey's pot fumes certainly is entertaining, but...

I've told this story 5000 times here, but the only way my friends would watch Mirage in high school, was if I fast forwarded through NTF. They HATED the screaming.

And that's probably my least favorite song on Tusk(okay, after Storms and Beautiful Child). I've never understood Lindsey's obsession with it.

It's a horrible song. (studio wise)

[Macfan4life]

The best part of NTF in concert (1982) is not Lindsey and John and not even Mick. Its Chris's honky tonk piano stuff she added to the song. How wonderful. There is no piano in the studio version but she improvised this incredible honky tonk playing along with the guys. Her clapping before leaving is so cool now before she runs to join them again shortly.

[BLY]

It's a horrible song. (studio wise)


I was never a fan of the live version but I do dig the studio version of Not That Funny on TUSK!

[HomerMcvie]

They cut the drum solo. Sorry Homie, you'll have to sit on a cruise and bitch about something else!! :lol:

Even though it's been ignored, the Rumours tribute band last night was really good.

About the cruising. UNLIMITED booze for a guy who loves to drink like Christine, maybe isn't the best idea in the world. (Don't you dare call them!):woohoo:

[soul_drifter333]

There's an alternate studio version on one of the import singles from that time that is really good. I haven't compared it to the version on the Tusk deluxe edition to see if they're the same though.


I was never a fan of the live version but I do dig the studio version of Not That Funny on TUSK!

[jbrownsjr]

I was never a fan of the live version but I do dig the studio version of Not That Funny on TUSK!

Get out of this thread and never come back!!! :wavey::laugh:

[Villavic]

I've told this story 5000 times here, but the only way my friends would watch Mirage in high school, was if I fast forwarded through NTF. They HATED the screaming.


So what? That proves nothing, except that that's what the world is made of. If everyone liked the same thing, how boring this world would be. The fact that there are different tastes, and so different people, is what I love about this world.

The screaming isn't my favorite part but it doesn't really bother me.

[Villavic]

They cut the drum solo.

That's right. The Deluxe version lasts 9:01

The video version lasts 10:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbrCeJdyPqE

[soul_drifter333]

And I didn't even notice or care. :lol: Never really understood drum solos to begin with and there's only a few I even care to listen to.

I actually didn't really listen to the CD version much since it didn't sound remastered and I had already played the video a lot . Same with the Bella Donna concert on Stevie's deluxe. Also, there's no real reason to go into the fact that they left off songs, but...;)


That's right. The Deluxe version lasts 9:01

The video version lasts 10:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbrCeJdyPqE

[Villavic]

And I didn't even notice or care.

I didn't notice either. Then you must be thinking "How can you say it's your favorite part?".

Well it's my favorite part because it's friday night and I always play that video after a bottle of merlot. Perfect combination. ;)

[jbrownsjr]

And I didn't even notice or care. :lol: Never really understood drum solos to begin with and there's only a few I even care to listen to.

I actually didn't really listen to the CD version much since it didn't sound remastered and I had already played the video a lot . Same with the Bella Donna concert on Stevie's deluxe. Also, there's no real reason to go into the fact that they left off songs, but...;)

The drum solo is funny because he gets his drum stuck under a snare or his tom (can't remember) . And he's absolutely wasted. Worse than Christine, or maybe they are equal.

[HomerMcvie]

The drum solo is funny because he gets his drum stuck under a snare or his tom (can't remember) . And he's absolutely wasted. Worse than Christine, or maybe they are equal.

Under his first tom. I noticed that the very first time I watched it.

[Mr Scarrott]

Not that Funny is the one Lindsey song on Tusk that I can't abide. I really like some of the Brian Wilson-esque touches on tracks like Save me a place, Walk a thin line and That's all for everyone; I know I'm not wrong and That's enough for me might almost be throwaway but they're fun; I really love the zanyness of The Ledge and the mesemeric nature of the title track. What makes you think you're the one is the only other one that is debatable for me and after it there is a grateful relief in getting to to the beauty of Storms .

Not that Funny just seems lazy and soon outstays any welcome I could possibly be persuaded to give it. It can't quite be hidden away and forgotten about like some of the worst moments of the Beatles' White Album-there is a limit to how much indulgence I can give to Mr B.

[HomerMcvie]

Not that Funny is the one Lindsey song on Tusk that I can't abide. I really like some of the Brian Wilson-esque touches on tracks like Save me a place, Walk a thin line and That's all for everyone; I know I'm not wrong and That's enough for me might almost be throwaway but they're fun; I really love the zanyness of The Ledge and the mesemeric nature of the title track. What makes you think you're the one is the only other one that is debatable for me and after it there is a grateful relief in getting to to the beauty of Storms .

Not that Funny just seems lazy and soon outstays any welcome I could possibly be persuaded to give it. It can't quite be hidden away and forgotten about like some of the worst moments of the Beatles' White Album-there is a limit to how much indulgence I can give to Mr B.

I disagree on WMYTYTO. I love that song. Probably my favorite Lindsey song on Tusk. But you are correct on NTF. It's garbage. And yet Lindsey identifies with it. For some crazy reason!

[soul_drifter333]

Mick should have received some type of award for being able to play while his crew poured beer (and who know whatever else) down his throat. :p

I actually didn't mind when he came down front and played the African bongo drum on the first tour, but by the time he got to the electronic vest with the programmed car crashes and screams it was definitely too much and waaaayyyy too long. By that time there was nothing to stop him until the next line was waiting backstage for him to consume.

The drum solo is funny because he gets his drum stuck under a snare or his tom (can't remember) . And he's absolutely wasted. Worse than Christine, or maybe they are equal.

[jbrownsjr]

Mick should have received some type of award for being able to play while his crew poured beer (and who know whatever else) down his throat. :p

I actually didn't mind when he came down front and played the African bongo drum on the first tour, but by the time he got to the electronic vest with the programmed car crashes and screams it was definitely too much and waaaayyyy too long. By that time there was nothing to stop him until the next line was waiting backstage for him to consume.

The problem with his up front and center is: It's not consistently good. My fav. is when Christine John and LB are riffing with him. But, I've heard a few of those that are so underwhelming.

[Mr Scarrott]

But you are correct on NTF. It's garbage. And yet Lindsey identifies with it. For some crazy reason!

He may well be a genius, but that doesn't stop him having blind spots...