Lindsey on Conans podcast

[sleepless child]

Lindsey just did an interview on Sirus XM. Conan O'Brian podcast. I guess he is a big fan and listens all the time. I heard a snippet on Twitter that someone posted about his leaving the band. Nothing specific but he is still open to forgiving Stevie. Chump. And he is most upset about the Legacy of the band being hurt by the firing.

[HomerMcvie]

Lindsey just did an interview on Sirus XM. Conan O'Brian podcast. I guess he is a big fan and listens all the time. I heard a snippet on Twitter that someone posted about his leaving the band. Nothing specific but he is still open to forgiving Stevie. Chump. And he is most upset about the Legacy of the band being hurt by the firing.

He is a chump, and it makes him look incredibly pathetic.

Yes, the stupid old goat FIRED YOU, and it's OVER. Accept it.

[sleepless child]

In the part I heard he doesn't even mention that it was her, and Conan asks, if you met Stevie in a coffee shop would you be open to talking and he says Yes! So Conan, I mean really everyone knows it was Stevie who did the firing.

[anusha]

I thought it was kind of funny — Conan was like if you ran into Stevie at Peet’s Coffee because that’s where she goes, and Lindsey laughed and said something like “yeah right” like the idea of Stevie being in a normal coffee shop was unfathomable. Probably an indication of how removed she is from normal life — having a family probably kept him from being that isolated.

It seems like Lindsey and Conan know each other a bit socially and might live near each other from the bits and pieces of the conversation about Conan being welcome to go to Lindsey’s to jam.

I’m coming around on being less disappointed that he is open to forgiving Stevie.. I suppose given how destructive and cruel they have all been to each other as well as other people who have been in their lives, the ability to forgive is not a terrible thing. Though I personally have no interest in seeing any reunion of any kind.

I do wish he could find a way to talk about Stevie and Christine without being so condescending. Like he couldn’t help pointing out how much he helped Christine with her songs or the fact that Stevie isn’t a “musician” — she may not be an instrumentalist but she clearly is someone who makes and performs music. I’m a fan of Lindsey and value his role in working with the other songwriters but man is he incapable of toning it down and not being condescending.

[UnwindedDreams]

I do wish he could find a way to talk about Stevie and Christine without being so condescending. Like he couldn’t help pointing out how much he helped Christine with her songs or the fact that Stevie isn’t a “musician” — she may not be an instrumentalist but she clearly is someone who makes and performs music. I’m a fan of Lindsey and value his role in working with the other songwriters but man is he incapable of toning it down and not being condescending.
He did say something about Stevie like she isn't a musician per se. He said she's a talented songwriter.

He did complement Christine as a musician but I see what you mean. I still didn't think his comments weren't as arrogant as his comments before Christine had passed away.

What I couldn't stand hearing is that he said he'll be in LA all year working on his album... seriously! What did he do last year!!!

[sleepless child]

I listened last night and thought he must have a cold or something. His voice sounded frail and he was sniffing alot. I thought his comment about how the band needed his production help or something along those lines when he and Stevie first joined was a bit arrogant. I think they both needed each other pretty bad but FM had made many albums before Lindsey joined.

[mylittledemon]

Anyone have a link to share? (I can't seem to find it online anywhere...) :confused:

[HomerMcvie]

You know, if ever there was a time for reconciliation, shouldn't it have been for Christine's funeral? Have these people no class?
This was pointed out to me by a friend and former(bant) Ledgie. And he's right.

[BigAl84]

I think Lindsey was watching what he said. He probably received some sort of threatening letter from Irving after that last round of comments that were made.

Lindsey did spend a ton of time working on Christine's songs, especially for Tango. The majority of the time working on that album was spent on his and Christine's songs. I've always thought he rightfully deserved the title of "The Architect of Fleetwood Mac" that is often given to him. It's pretty clear that the only sense of musical direction the rest of them had for any given project was purely "success" without any vision/point of view of what that means. If you took the songs from Tusk and undid all of the unique things that Lindsey added to the production - I think it would have been an incredibly boring album.

Christine was a master at writing the perfect pop tune, all on her own without any help from a writing perspective, that's for sure. I think Lindsey had a greater sense of vision for projects as a whole that the rest of the band never really had.

[HomerMcvie]

I think Lindsey was watching what he said. He probably received some sort of threatening letter from Irving after that last round of comments that were made.

Lindsey did spend a ton of time working on Christine's songs, especially for Tango. The majority of the time working on that album was spent on his and Christine's songs. I've always thought he rightfully deserved the title of "The Architect of Fleetwood Mac" that is often given to him. It's pretty clear that the only sense of musical direction the rest of them had for any given project was purely "success" without any vision/point of view of what that means. If you took the songs from Tusk and undid all of the unique things that Lindsey added to the production - I think it would have been an incredibly boring album.

Christine was a master at writing the perfect pop tune, all on her own without any help from a writing perspective, that's for sure. I think Lindsey had a greater sense of vision for projects as a whole that the rest of the band never really had.
Lindsey is absolutely to blame for their mega success. His vision and craft IS what made them so radio friendly. They'd be mostly forgotten by now, if it weren't for him.

[BigAl84]

Stevie and Mick are really effing lucky, really exceptionally lucky. Lindsey and Christine dragged Tango over the finish line while those two were by all accounts, completely out to lunch. Then they got lucky again because it was a commercial success. Had Tango not happened, it would have changed the trajectory of everything moving forward. I don't know what kind of "comeback" they ever would have had if the last thing they did together was in 1982. Stevie openly admitted for years that '88-'94 were completely lost in terms of writing material and quite frankly the last period of time she was writing substantial new material was probably 2001/2002.

[UnwindedDreams]

You know, if ever there was a time for reconciliation, shouldn't it have been for Christine's funeral? Have these people no class?
This was pointed out to me by a friend and former(bant) Ledgie. And he's right.
Stevie’s empire of Sheryl Louis, Irving Azoff, Karen Johnston, Mary Torrey, Jamie Young, Marty Hom, and Sharon Celani likely didn’t permit Lindsey to get anywhere near her at the Celebration of Life event. It’s just likely.

[Villavic]

Stevie’s empire of Sheryl Louis, Irving Azoff, Karen Johnston, Mary Torrey, Jamie Young, Marty Hom, and Sharon Celani likely didn’t permit Lindsey to get anywhere near her at the Celebration of Life event. It’s just likely.

How do you suppose that? Did Lindsey want to get near Stevie? Were all those people at Christine funeral?

[sleepless child]

Dennis Dunstun said in the podcast he did that Stevie and Lindsey hugged and said a few words at Chris's memorial

[UnwindedDreams]

How do you suppose that? Did Lindsey want to get near Stevie? Were all those people at Christine funeral?
There’s a photo of Stevie leaving the Celebration of Life with Mary, Sharon, and Karen. Stevie fans know Stevie always has her crew with her. I have no doubt Sheryl was there too since Sheryl knew Christine. The only reason Lindsey wouldn’t have wanted to go near Stevie is because he would have felt she wouldn’t have wanted to talk to him and it wouldn’t have been right to approach her.
Stevie said in a 2020 interview that she doesn’t want to talk with Lindsey and that’s fine. She said if it’s meant to, they will. In her stage shows now, she basically blames him for her not voting until she was 71 because somehow he’d be mad with her if she took time to vote or serve jury duty. I think she’s done with him. And the 2021 RollingStone comments from Irving in support of Stevie I think highlight it.

Do I wish they made peace in honor of Christine? Yes I do.

[HomerMcvie]

There’s a photo of Stevie leaving the Celebration of Life with Mary, Sharon, and Karen. Stevie fans know Stevie always has her crew with her. I have no doubt Sheryl was there too since Sheryl knew Christine. The only reason Lindsey wouldn’t have wanted to go near Stevie is because he would have felt she wouldn’t have wanted to talk to him and it wouldn’t have been right to approach her.
Stevie said in a 2020 interview that she doesn’t want to talk with Lindsey and that’s fine. She said if it’s meant to, they will. In her stage shows now, she basically blames him for her not voting until she was 71 because somehow he’d be mad with her if she took time to vote or serve jury duty. I think she’s done with him. And the 2021 RollingStone comments from Irving in support of Stevie I think highlight it.

Do I wish they made peace in honor of Christine? Yes I do.

My god, how can ANYBODY not see how truly STUPID she is? She's a moron.

[BigAl84]

Folks criticize Lindsey for being so open to working with her again, but I gotta admire the guy for not being bitter and sour about it the way that Stevie certainly is. She just reeks of jealousy at this point. Her remarks and actions while they were working on Buckingham McVie already reeked of it. It's shocking what a truly ugly person she's become and I used to be a huge fan.

[BigAl84]

There’s a photo of Stevie leaving the Celebration of Life with Mary, Sharon, and Karen. Stevie fans know Stevie always has her crew with her. I have no doubt Sheryl was there too since Sheryl knew Christine. The only reason Lindsey wouldn’t have wanted to go near Stevie is because he would have felt she wouldn’t have wanted to talk to him and it wouldn’t have been right to approach her.
Stevie said in a 2020 interview that she doesn’t want to talk with Lindsey and that’s fine. She said if it’s meant to, they will. In her stage shows now, she basically blames him for her not voting until she was 71 because somehow he’d be mad with her if she took time to vote or serve jury duty. I think she’s done with him. And the 2021 RollingStone comments from Irving in support of Stevie I think highlight it.

Do I wish they made peace in honor of Christine? Yes I do.

Her whole take about their living/working arrangement when they first moved to LA has taken a 360 in reverse. Literally for years, up to 2013 she would explain that yes, she waitressed while Lindsey worked on music. She was fine with that because she knew how talented Lindsey was and it was more important for him to dedicate his time to their music while she worked during the day.

After the events of 2018 - all the resentful remarks started and it became a whole different story. I'm waiting for the day she tells an arena of 15k people that it was her dad who owned the coffee plant and gave them the space to record with the 4-track machine she purchased.

[BigAl84]

My god, how can ANYBODY not see how truly STUPID she is? She's a moron.

What I wouldn't give for 30 minutes with Dan Perfect and a cup of truth tea. Although, Christine had too much class. I doubt she ever aired too much dirty FM laundry.

[Penguin Emeritus]

What I wouldn't give for 30 minutes with Dan Perfect and a cup of truth tea. Although, Christine had too much class. I doubt she ever aired too much dirty FM laundry.

Her brother John knew/knows far more than Dan. and Chris did air a little when she got fed up. we all would...

and I admire LB also for his seeming willingness to move past whatever happened. i'm sure he can be ass at times, but i just wonder what it was that made her totally despise him.

--Lis

[sleepless child]

Probably his talent

[BigAl84]

I think as she’s gotten older, she resents that so much of her success is directly tied to him and Fleetwood Mac. It’s been 20+ years since she’s performed a lot of her solo work I.e Rooms on Fire…but she’s always expected to do Dreams, Rhiannon, Gypsy, Gold Dust Woman etc. Today those songs are the bedrock of her solo setlists. Talk to me, Has Anyone Ever, How Still My Love….are not.

Lindsey’s decisions are largely made through the lens of an artist. Stevie is spending her final years portraying the character she created 40+ years ago as a member of Fleetwood Mac. Her dedication over the years has shifted from the music to the persona.

[UnwindedDreams]

Probably his talent
I think she probably said during tour negotiations in 2017: “I just filled the same arenas for this upcoming Fleetwood Mac tour on my solo tour this past year so I don’t need to wait for you Lindsey to do a solo tour. I can just go out on my own and play these same arenas again. Fleetwood Mac needs me in order to have a successful tour.” And I think Lindsey probably said in response “You wouldn’t have been in Fleetwood Mac if they didn’t hear my guitar work.” And then she wanted him terminated.

[BigAl84]

I think she probably said during tour negotiations in 2017: “I just filled the same arenas for this upcoming Fleetwood Mac tour on my solo tour this past year so I don’t need to wait for you Lindsey to do a solo tour. I can just go out on my own and play these same arenas again. Fleetwood Mac needs me in order to have a successful tour.” And I think Lindsey probably said in response “You wouldn’t have been in Fleetwood Mac if they didn’t hear my guitar work.” And then she wanted him terminated.

But she didn't really fill those arenas on her own, it was a co-bill tour with The Pretenders. I also don't see Lindsey making that kind of a comment at this point in time.

She saw Mick, Christine, John, and Lindsey having that laugh together (it was actually Christine who motioned to Mick and pointed to her watch!) out of the corner of her eye during the Music Cares speech and it completely set her off. Instead of being mad at the entire band, she pinned it on Lindsey because she was already mad about the issue he had with what music they would walk out on stage to. Flash forward to tour negotiations and she decided she wasn't going to negotiate one ioda and eventually gave Mick the him or I decision.

[BigAl84]

Just to reiterate how stupid all of this was, here's a second by second recap. They're all standing like statues...as Stevie approaches the 5 minute mark, Christine starts tapping her watch. This whole debacle has little to do with Lindsey and more about the fact that the ENTIRE rest of the band didn't appreciate her 10 minute speech when the rest of them kept their words to an acceptable length. Not Stevie, she made them stand awkwardly while she held court. She made this about Lindsey (because that's the easiest getaway car) instead of admitting she was pissed at all of them, including her "best friend in the whole world, Christine" So that's my takedown of the 2018 bullsh*t. Arguably the dumbest argument in Fleetwood Mac history.

Of course she never wants to share the stage with Lindsey again because she realized that Lindsey and the rest of the band had no issue in calling her out on her own BS. For the first time since 2003 - she was outnumbered. There was only one way to restore the balance of power.

https://i.ibb.co/TYYNf9r/Screen-Shot-2024-01-24-at-1-04-48-PM.png

Then Lindsey reacts with a laugh:
https://i.ibb.co/jGQsx5K/Screen-Shot-2024-01-24-at-1-08-55-PM.png

Christine is visibly laughing as Lindsey does a quick dance move:
https://i.ibb.co/fMmGMPH/Screen-Shot-2024-01-24-at-1-11-13-PM.png

Mick: by god how long is she going to make us stand here
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[David]

This whole debacle has little to do with Lindsey and more about the fact that the ENTIRE rest of the band didn't appreciate her 10 minute speech when the rest of them kept their words to an acceptable length.

Yes, completely. But if a member of my band spends ten minutes talking about herself at a group event, I’m going to show the political intelligence to stand very still and then take the mic and do exactly what that other person did: aggrandize myself and push my own memories and experiences forward and ignore the collective — for another ten minutes. I would have completely counterbalanced Stevie’s ego display with a display of my own. It wouldn’t have made for very interesting TV, but she wouldn’t have had a leg to stand on if she had tried to complain about me.

The others have never put the connection together and have never had the political intelligence to handle Stevie by being Stevie or taking her at her word.

If she was complaining about not being involved in the studio, ask her point blank to supply the keyboard, drums, bass, or guitar for a couple of tracks and tell her you need some rough tracks in two weeks.

If she complained about you in the press, tell the same pop music critic: “She had an interesting take and I appreciate hearing from her. However, here’s how I remember that incident.”

If she complained about how mean your lyrics were, complain about how mean and hurtful her lyrics were (“Rulers make bad lovers” is meaner than anything in “Go Your Own Way”).

Sign a copy of your albums and put them all on her chair at the studio — a big stack of them.

If she’s backstage during the show for too many minutes, cut your song a little short and go to the mic and ask, “Stevie? Will you be out here soon?”

[BigAl84]

Yes, completely. But if a member of my band spends ten minutes talking about herself at a group event, I’m going to show the political intelligence to stand very still and then take the mic and do exactly what that other person did: aggrandize myself and push my own memories and experiences forward and ignore the collective — for another ten minutes. I would have completely counterbalanced Stevie’s ego display with a display of my own. It wouldn’t have made for very interesting TV, but she wouldn’t have had a leg to stand on if she had tried to complain about me.

The others have never put the connection together and have never had the political intelligence to handle Stevie by being Stevie or taking her at her word.

If she was complaining about not being involved in the studio, ask her point blank to supply the keyboard, drums, bass, or guitar for a couple of tracks and tell her you need some rough tracks in two weeks.

If she complained about you in the press, tell the same pop music critic: “She had an interesting take and I appreciate hearing from her. However, here’s how I remember that incident.”

If she complained about how mean your lyrics were, complain about how mean and hurtful her lyrics were (“Rulers make bad lovers” is meaner than anything in “Go Your Own Way”).

Sign a copy of your albums and put them all on her chair at the studio — a big stack of them.

If she’s backstage during the show for too many minutes, cut your song a little short and go to the mic and ask, “Stevie? Will you be out here soon?”


YES!! so many great points, David! It's maddening none of them ever had the guts to do it.

I really hope that at least ONE of them said behind the scenes that it wasn't just Lindsey "smirking" behind the podium. Sadly, I wouldn't be shocked if they sat back with their mouths shut and let Lindsey take the brunt of it all. They sure did publicly. Even on national tv they sat back while Stevie spilled blatant lies, to the point that Christine can't even look up from her hands.

Lindsey was absolutely right that perhaps the Chain was more appropriate for an entrance song because they all had a hand in writing it. It's the only joint co-writing credit they all share. Stevie wanted Rhiannon for the obvious reason - thats one of her career defining songs. He should have suggested "You Make Loving Fun" and then see her reaction.

[HomerMcvie]

YES!! so many great points, David! It's maddening none of them ever had the guts to do it.

I really hope that at least ONE of them said behind the scenes that it wasn't just Lindsey "smirking" behind the podium. Sadly, I wouldn't be shocked if they sat back with their mouths shut and let Lindsey take the brunt of it all.

They really ALL were to blame for "calling her out". But she hates Lindsey the most, so she sure showed him. Old HAG.

[BigAl84]

They called her out every night of the 2014 tour during her Gypsy story time. John and Christine had no issue having full conversations while sitting on that amp, you can't tell me Stevie didn't know what was going on. At one point Christine blew the whistle on Stevie to wrap it up. Music Cares was supposed to be an honor for ALL of them and she pulls the same sh*t again and grandstands for 10 minutes. It's no wonder.

They all had no issue participating in the passive aggressive behavior and continued to do it at an awards show, but then collectively let Lindsey take the fall when somebody finally had a meltdown that was years in the making.

[BigAl84]

I realize that I probably sound like Chevy Chase in that scene from Christmas Vacation....thanks for humoring my rants. I've got my Tylenol.

[UnwindedDreams]

Al, just with regard to the White Album Rhiannon playing before FM started playing The Chain…Karen or whoever could have easily put the cricket noises on. I was at this event and it was just weird that Rhiannon was playing while the curtain was closed. It would have been like Monday Morning playing before a Mac concert starts.

And then Harry Styles came out to introduce them, have the curtain be pulled open, and sing The Chain with them, which was a favor to Stevie I gather so she could sing to her best friend and perhaps a favor to Azoff’s son who manages Harry. Harry had no business being up there singing with them but luckily he really just looked like a background singer and he didn’t steal any spotlights. He actually interacted most with Lindsey and Mick.

Back to the tour negotiations, Lindsey probably said something to Stevie that really made her tick. The negotiations happened in late 2017. I think the late great Brett said rehearsal for MusiCares was tense because they hadn’t seen each other since the tour meetings. I’m thinking what gets Stevie angriest with Lindsey is any hint that her door opening to be able to become “Stevie Nicks” was Mick being impressed by Lindsey on Frozen Love.

[Villavic]

They called her out every night of the 2014 tour during her Gypsy story time.

I remember her Gypsy speech at the NJ show in oct. 2014. I didn't feel it was too long at that moment, and even found it kind of interesting. But at the end of the show she stood alone for several minutes doing a looong goodbye speech while some people started to go out, including me cause I didn't understood what she was saying (the sound at Prudential Center was not the best), plus I was more worried about getting out of the parking area soon, since traffice is always a nightmare at the end of concerts.

[BigAl84]

I remember her Gypsy speech at the NJ show in oct. 2014. I didn't feel it was too long at that moment, and even found it kind of interesting. But at the end of the show she stood alone for several minutes doing a looong goodbye speech while some people started to go out, including me cause I didn't understood what she was saying (the sound at Prudential Center was not the best), plus I was more worried about getting out of the parking area soon, since traffice is always a nightmare at the end of concerts.

I think at the end of the Columbus, OH show she gave her dreamcatcher speech.

[SteveMacD]

I’m thinking what gets Stevie angriest with Lindsey is any hint that her door opening to be able to become “Stevie Nicks” was Mick being impressed by Lindsey on Frozen Love.

That storyline just needs to die. It’s completely overblown.

Do people not realize Buckingham Nicks and Fleetwood Mac would have been in the same orbit, recording in the same studio with the same producer, even if Bob Welch had stayed? How did they get “Blue Letter”?

And, we’re talking early 70s Fleetwood Mac, here. Once Mick found out Buckingham Nicks weren’t on a label, he would have invited them to join Fleetwood Mac, anyway, since they were basically doing the same thing.

[UnwindedDreams]

That storyline just needs to die. It’s completely overblown.

Do people not realize Buckingham Nicks and Fleetwood Mac would have been in the same orbit, recording in the same studio with the same producer, even if Bob Welch had stayed? How did they get “Blue Letter”?

And, we’re talking early 70s Fleetwood Mac, here. Once Mick found out Buckingham Nicks weren’t on a label, he would have invited them to join Fleetwood Mac, anyway, since they were basically doing the same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gyNfAI3axM
Stevie repeats “the storyline” at the 5 minute mark. Most recently, she said in October at The Garden that Lindsey wouldn’t have joined the band without her joining too. Mick told Alex Baldwin that Stevie is always mad at him whenever she says to him “you only wanted Lindsey.”

[BigAl84]

I don't know if very many people here take anything Stevie says with even the slightest grain of salt....:]

Sadly, I do think that the bitter 2024 version of Stevie would love to erase any ties Lindsey has/had with her success. If she could claim she did it all on her own, she would. ACTUALLY...she did pretty much try to claim she did it all on her own in recent years when talking about her solo career, dismissing the small army of people she had helping her.

This is sort of off topic, but I've always wondered if she doesn't hear the difference between Lindsey playing something like Gypsy vs Mike or Waddy playing it. Are they equally as good to her ears!? Does she simply not care about the differences and one is just "good enough" ? She's always been highly protective of her demos and her original arrangements of a song, yet when it comes to guitar playing she swaps a 5 year aged cheddar for a kraft single and doesn't bat an eye. That never made sense to me. But I’ve always felt that out of everyone it was Rick and Billy that handled Lindsey’s work the best. Waddy is a great guitarist in his own style, but terrible with Fleetwood Mac material.

[soul_drifter333]

The difference is in her solo career she is the BOSS. She will never be the boss of Lindsey. Equals possibly, but never the boss.

I don't know if very many people here take anything Stevie says with even the slightest grain of salt....:]

Sadly, I do think that the bitter 2024 version of Stevie would love to erase any ties Lindsey has/had with her success. If she could claim she did it all on her own, she would. ACTUALLY...she did pretty much try to claim she did it all on her own in recent years when talking about her solo career, dismissing the small army of people she had helping her.

This is sort of off topic, but I've always wondered if she doesn't hear the difference between Lindsey playing something like Gypsy vs Mike or Waddy playing it. Are they equally as good to her ears!? Does she simply not care about the differences and one is just "good enough" ? She's always been highly protective of her demos and her original arrangements of a song, yet when it comes to guitar playing she swaps a 5 year aged cheddar for a kraft single and doesn't bat an eye. That never made sense to me. But I’ve always felt that out of everyone it was Rick and Billy that handled Lindsey’s work the best. Waddy is a great guitarist in his own style, but terrible with Fleetwood Mac material.

[SteveMacD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gyNfAI3axM
Stevie repeats “the storyline” at the 5 minute mark. Most recently, she said in October at The Garden that Lindsey wouldn’t have joined the band without her joining too. Mick told Alex Baldwin that Stevie is always mad at him whenever she says to him “you only wanted Lindsey.”

They never offered the job to just Lindsey! As pointed out countless times, anything they’ve said since 1997 has been a embellished. And, AGAIN, here’s what the two guys who actually had the phone call said about it:

“I told him I wanted Lindsey Buckingham to be the new guitarist in Fleetwood Mac, and what did he think? Olsen replied that Lindsey was part of a team, the other half of which was his girlfriend, Stevie Nicks. They had a band called Buckingham Nicks and were very much a pair. Keith said he didn't think Lindsey would be interested in joining Fleetwood Mac without Stevie. Without hesitating, I told him that I wanted them both. Then I called Mickey Shapiro and said, ”I met these guys and am asking them to be in the band." -Mick Fleetwood, 1990

“I had signed on to co-produce with Fleetwood Mac and engineer their album after Bare Trees [sic]. How I made the deal to do it was I played [Mick Fleetwood] three tracks of the finished Buckingham-Nicks record, one off an Emitt Rhodes record, and one thing from Aretha Franklin. He said, “Wow, this is really great.” So we made a deal to do it. Then I got a call on New Year’s Eve, and Mick says, “I’ve had some bad news. Bob Welch just decided to leave the band. So, that fellow in that band you played me—would you see if that guy would like to join my band?” And I said, “Well, they’re going to come as a set. Because they’re very much into their own thing, and the only chance of getting them to drop that would be to bring them both on.” And he says, ”Well, maybe that will work. Can you see if you can convince them to join my band?”

So I drop what I was going to do on that New Year’s Eve, take my date, and we drive over to Stevie and Lindsey’s house. I said, “Hey, Happy New Year” and all of this—I brought over the obligatory bottle of bad champagne—and I said, “Can we talk? Mick Fleetwood would like you to join Fleetwood Mac.” Immediately, Lindsey said, “Oh, no, no—I couldn’t possibly play anything as good as Peter Green did. How am I supposed to get up there and play ‘The Green Manalishi’?” Finally I get them, by the end of the night, to try it on a trial basis for eight weeks.” -Keith Olsen, 2012 (https://www.premierguitar.com/diy/studio-legends-keith-olsen)

So, two accounts from the two men who actually had the conversation told over twenty years apart and they’re identical. Furthermore, you’ll notice that the next phone call was to Mickey Shapiro to draw up contractual paperwork, not the McVies, so the whole idiotic “Christine had to like Stevie” storyline was crap, too.

We, specifically you and me, have had this discussion several times already, so you know the FACTS, and most of us old timers have mentioned numerous times that they started romanticizing and embellishing their story starting with The Dance, so I don’t get why you keep referencing something you know isn’t accurate by someone known to not be a reliable source of information?

[Villavic]

Yes Mick wrote that in his first book. He wanted Lindsey but when he knew they were a package deal, he offered the job to both.

Few pages later he also wrote:
Only later did it become apparent that Lindsey was with Stevie. They were together. Their ambitions and hopes were as a unit. They had been working for years, I was told; they were hitting brick walls but were determined to keep writing together. Later Stevie would give me a hard time. "Aaabhh, if I hadn't been with Lindsey, you wouldn't have wanted me." And like that. All I can say is that I remembered this guitar player but couldn't remember his name.

[SteveMacD]

Few pages later he also wrote:
Only later did it become apparent that Lindsey was with Stevie. They were together. Their ambitions and hopes were as a unit. They had been working for years, I was told; they were hitting brick walls but were determined to keep writing together. Later Stevie would give me a hard time. "Aaabhh, if I hadn't been with Lindsey, you wouldn't have wanted me." And like that. All I can say is that I remembered this guitar player but couldn't remember his name.
In other words, he didn’t realize they were a couple when he inquired about a guitarist. Nobody’s disputing Mick was only inquiring about a guitarist when he called Keith Olsen. It’s the whole “I told them I wouldn’t join without her” storyline I have an issue with.

[UnwindedDreams]

They never offered the job to just Lindsey! As pointed out countless times, anything they’ve said since 1997 has been a embellished. And, AGAIN, here’s what the two guys who actually had the phone call said about it:





So, two accounts from the two men who actually had the conversation told over twenty years apart and they’re identical. Furthermore, you’ll notice that the next phone call was to Mickey Shapiro to draw up contractual paperwork, not the McVies, so the whole idiotic “Christine had to like Stevie” storyline was crap, too.

We, specifically you and me, have had this discussion several times already, so you know the FACTS, and most of us old timers have mentioned numerous times that they started romanticizing and embellishing their story starting with The Dance, so I don’t get why you keep referencing something you know isn’t accurate by someone known to not be a reliable source of information?
Ok, roger that.

I shared what Stevie said. I don't believe her on the Lindsey said he wouldn't join without me since she is what you said "not a reliable source of information." But I do believe her when she said that Lindsey absolutely got her towards Fleetwood Mac, and I don't mean "you've got to take my girlfriend too." I meant Mick heard Lindsey's work on Frozen Love which led to Mick asking Keith Olsen about Lindsey (not Stevie), then Keith brought up Stevie and then the offer for them both to join happened.

Or is there a fact where Mick heard Frozen Love and said I want the lady who sang on that album and the guitar player on the album first and it wasn't that he said he wanted the guitar player first?

Also, I think you believe Lindsey was fired for his comment about The Classic Festivals and that he wanted to start a FM tour later and play solo dates in between FM concerts. Stevie said after 2018 that she wasn't willing to work with him anymore. What do you think the worst thing Lindsey has said to Stevie in recent years was? "You have no singing voice"?

[SteveMacD]

But I do believe her when she said that Lindsey absolutely got her towards Fleetwood Mac,
Nobody’s ever disputed that Mick called Kieth to have him ask Lindsey to join the band. Bob quit and the band had just gotten an advance. However, Mick didn’t know anything about Lindsey beyond he was a good guitarist. Once the equation was explained, Mick was on board.

Or is there a fact where Mick heard Frozen Love and said I want the lady who sang on that album and the guitar player on the album first and it wasn't that he said he wanted the guitar player first?
Not really a fair comment, since Mick’s only context for what he was listening to was that it had been recorded in the studio he was scouting. He briefly met Lindsey, so being able to put a face with the guitarist also helped, but that’s all Mick knew.

Fleetwood Mac was founded by Peter Green, it was Mick’s idea to add Danny Kirwan, the band had had a revolving door of guitarists, and his brother-in-law was Eric Clapton. Mick’s natural inclination would have been to focus on the guitar player, especially since it was clear Bob Welch was burning out.

What do you think the worst thing Lindsey has said to Stevie in recent years was?
Probably “I have no interest in doing a Buckingham Nicks reunion.” And, I think he stopped schmoozing her once Christine came back, assuming (as most of us did) that Stevie would be excited about making a Fleetwood Mac album with the full lineup. I think there was mutual bitterness surrounding LBCM. I also think they had very different visions for the 2018 tour.

[BigAl84]

Oh…I never thought of that. Let’s say history was different and rehearsals for the 2018 tour start with Lindsey….Stevie walks in wanting to do Free Falling. I’m sure that would have gone over like a lead balloon with Lindsey.

Stevie’s take on the Buckingham Nicks reunion was sorta odd. She was all about reforming the original Buckingham Nicks band and recording a bunch of lost tracks to tack onto the album as bonus tracks, but he couldn’t get her to participate in 3 songs for a Fleetwood Mac album and tour. Really weird rationale.

[SteveMacD]

Oh…I never thought of that. Let’s say history was different and rehearsals for the 2018 tour start with Lindsey….Stevie walks in wanting to do Free Falling. I’m sure that would have gone over like a lead balloon with Lindsey.

Yeah. He strikes me as more of a “Walls” type.

[mylittledemon]

I realize that I probably sound like Chevy Chase in that scene from Christmas Vacation....thanks for humoring my rants. I've got my Tylenol.

HalleLUJAH! Holy $hiiit! :lol:

[UnwindedDreams]

Nobody’s ever disputed that Mick called Kieth to have him ask Lindsey to join the band. Bob quit and the band had just gotten an advance. However, Mick didn’t know anything about Lindsey beyond he was a good guitarist. Once the equation was explained, Mick was on board.


Not really a fair comment, since Mick’s only context for what he was listening to was that it had been recorded in the studio he was scouting. He briefly met Lindsey, so being able to put a face with the guitarist also helped, but that’s all Mick knew.

Fleetwood Mac was founded by Peter Green, it was Mick’s idea to add Danny Kirwan, the band had had a revolving door of guitarists, and his brother-in-law was Eric Clapton. Mick’s natural inclination would have been to focus on the guitar player, especially since it was clear Bob Welch was burning out.


Probably “I have no interest in doing a Buckingham Nicks reunion.” And, I think he stopped schmoozing her once Christine came back, assuming (as most of us did) that Stevie would be excited about making a Fleetwood Mac album with the full lineup. I think there was mutual bitterness surrounding LBCM. I also think they had very different visions for the 2018 tour.
If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.

Re: the 2018 setlist…do you think Lindsey wanted to do the same setlist as OWTS or to do new songs like they did on Live 2013 and then release an EP or album later?

[HomerMcvie]

If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.

Re: the 2018 setlist…do you think Lindsey wanted to do the same setlist as OWTS or to do new songs like they did on Live 2013 and then release an EP or album later?

It was amazing that they did 8 new songs on the BuckVie tour. I think we know who was to blame for the stale set lists. Old Goatsy.

[BigAl84]

Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour. I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight here, but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue. He caved and agreed to the tour which wasn't what Goatsy wanted. Had he been in rehearsals, then sure setlist conversations would have occurred.

It's fascinating that of all the narratives to come out of the 2018 showdown, this whole notion that Lindsey held the lock and key for all Fleetwood Mac tour set lists still continues to pop up. I mean, how many times has Stevie mentioned in pre-tour press interviews that they have to play the hits? Lindsey made comments about not wanting to open with The Chain AGAIN for the 2009 tour.

[BigAl84]

If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.

Isn't that sorta a giant assumption? After Bob left, they were down to Christine on vocals. As others have stated (I think) Mick always said he overheard Lindsey guitar part blasting through the speakers in the studio control room. It's possible he didn't hear any of Stevie's vocals at that exact point in time, at that very moment.

[Villavic]

Isn't that sorta a giant assumption? After Bob left, they were down to Christine on vocals. As others have stated (I think) Mick always said he overheard Lindsey guitar part blasting through the speakers in the studio control room. It's possible he didn't hear any of Stevie's vocals at that exact point in time, at that very moment.

Mick wrote in his book he did hear Stevie, too. The way he tells it sounds like a dramatic license to me. However long ago a ledgie mentioned the song Stevie was rehearsing at that moment. It is not mentioned in the book so it could be another source of this same episode.

I thought the guitar sounded great, but my attention had been caught by what I saw through the thick glass that separated Sound City's two recording studios. It was a girl, rehearsing a vocal in the next studio. A piano track was playing, and I could faintly hear her say something to the engineer about maybe wanting to have bird sounds somewhere in the mix of the song she was working on. I even remember what she was wearing a long, sort of Indian cotton skirt and a little blouse, real pretty. In fact, I thought she was one of the loveliest and most attractive girls I'd ever seen, but I somehow managed to remain nonchalant as I blithely asked Keith Olsen,
"Who's that pretty girl in there?"

Her name, he said, was Stevie Nicks.

But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.

[HomerMcvie]

But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.

Oh, it's coming. I'm not even sure how much I trust THEIR OWN recollections of things. 50 years ago is a long time, especially when you were in a haze at the time. Not to mention that Old Goatsy(I'm so happy that Goatsy is catching on:p ) is completely delusional.

[soul_drifter333]

Yes, that was my impression as well. I think the others had already signed on so they were stuck touring or lose a lot of money by being in breach of the contract. However, they could have delayed the tour to work out the issues, but they obviously decided not to. In the end, they delayed the tour so that they new guys could rehearse, so the whole thing was silly, especially for grown adults. And I don't think his firing (such an ugly word :lol:) had much, if anything, to do with the events of the award ceremony. Something else was going on behind the scenes. The other ridiculously stupid thing is the band, management, and high powered lawyers didn't bother to check that the 5 of them were equal participants in the partnership that was created after 75 and probably renewed in 97.

Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour. I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight here, but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue. He caved and agreed to the tour which wasn't what Goatsy wanted. Had he been in rehearsals, then sure setlist conversations would have occurred.

It's fascinating that of all the narratives to come out of the 2018 showdown, this whole notion that Lindsey held the lock and key for all Fleetwood Mac tour set lists still continues to pop up. I mean, how many times has Stevie mentioned in pre-tour press interviews that they have to play the hits? Lindsey made comments about not wanting to open with The Chain AGAIN for the 2009 tour.

[UnwindedDreams]

Mick wrote in his book he did hear Stevie, too. The way he tells it sounds like a dramatic license to me. However long ago a ledgie mentioned the song Stevie was rehearsing at that moment. It is not mentioned in the book so it could be another source of this same episode.

I thought the guitar sounded great, but my attention had been caught by what I saw through the thick glass that separated Sound City's two recording studios. It was a girl, rehearsing a vocal in the next studio. A piano track was playing, and I could faintly hear her say something to the engineer about maybe wanting to have bird sounds somewhere in the mix of the song she was working on. I even remember what she was wearing a long, sort of Indian cotton skirt and a little blouse, real pretty. In fact, I thought she was one of the loveliest and most attractive girls I'd ever seen, but I somehow managed to remain nonchalant as I blithely asked Keith Olsen,
"Who's that pretty girl in there?"

Her name, he said, was Stevie Nicks.

But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.
Yes, Mick heard Stevie. He really asked Keith about Lindsey so he could get Stevie because he thought her singing was above and beyond the guitar sound on Frozen Love!

[SteveMacD]

If Fleetwood Mac didn’t have a singer in 1974, Mick would have recalled the Buckingham Nicks album and said I want that lady from the album and not the guy.
Again, that assumes Mick understood the context of what he was listening to. Keith said Mick wanted “that guitarist from that band you played me.” It wasn’t an “and not” thing. That’s a massive overstatement. Mick was only there to audition the studio and dug the guitar playing. With Welch appearing to be on his way out, maybe the guitars hit a little harder than they would have, otherwise.

That said, if Fleetwood Mac had had a significant history of having a vocalist up to that point and the vibe was their vocalist was about to quit, I have no doubt he would have been more focused on the vocalist, even if only subconsciously.

Re: the 2018 setlist…do you think Lindsey wanted to do the same setlist as OWTS or to do new songs like they did on Live 2013 and then release an EP or album later?
Lindsey was pretty vocal about wanting to make a new album, even after LBCM. I don’t think he liked the idea of going beyond the 1975-87, 97 works.

[SteveMacD]

Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour.
Mick did that interview in Rolling Stone in 2017 where he said that he and Stevie had that listening party and that Stevie wanted to do songs that had been forgotten. He said something about he felt that Lindsey and Stevie should do something from Buckingham Nicks and that Christine should do a blues song, so it was easy to read between the lines that he was talking the non-Rumours band material.

but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue.
He never signed off on it. He even said as much in one of the interviews. However, in California, all that’s needed is a verbal agreement, which is how he was able to sue.

[BigAl84]

Mick wrote in his book he did hear Stevie, too. The way he tells it sounds like a dramatic license to me. However long ago a ledgie mentioned the song Stevie was rehearsing at that moment. It is not mentioned in the book so it could be another source of this same episode.

I thought the guitar sounded great, but my attention had been caught by what I saw through the thick glass that separated Sound City's two recording studios. It was a girl, rehearsing a vocal in the next studio. A piano track was playing, and I could faintly hear her say something to the engineer about maybe wanting to have bird sounds somewhere in the mix of the song she was working on. I even remember what she was wearing a long, sort of Indian cotton skirt and a little blouse, real pretty. In fact, I thought she was one of the loveliest and most attractive girls I'd ever seen, but I somehow managed to remain nonchalant as I blithely asked Keith Olsen,
"Who's that pretty girl in there?"

Her name, he said, was Stevie Nicks.

But yes in these forums are lot of threads based on assumptions, speculations, or theories of 70s facts based in members behaviors of 2018 onwards. I'm not surprised some day Stevie will be blamed for the global warming or Lindsey for the 2020 pandemic.

Thanks for sharing - it’s been several years since I’ve revisited any of the books so my memory probably forgot some stuff.

[UnwindedDreams]

Honestly, I don't think Lindsey ever had a chance to discuss anything pertaining to setlists for the 2018 tour. I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight here, but after the disagreement about the timing of the tour he (Lindsey) did sign the agreement to do the tour - which is why he has able to sue. He caved and agreed to the tour which wasn't what Goatsy wanted. Had he been in rehearsals, then sure setlist conversations would have occurred.

It's fascinating that of all the narratives to come out of the 2018 showdown, this whole notion that Lindsey held the lock and key for all Fleetwood Mac tour set lists still continues to pop up. I mean, how many times has Stevie mentioned in pre-tour press interviews that they have to play the hits? Lindsey made comments about not wanting to open with The Chain AGAIN for the 2009 tour.
Had Lindsey folded to StevieÂ’s demand to do pre-White Album stuff and no new material AND he just didnÂ’t even speak at MusiCares exactly 6 years ago, I think this would have been the set.

1. DonÂ’t Stop
2. The Chain
3. Dreams
4. I DonÂ’t Want To Know
5. IsnÂ’t It Midnight
6. Black Magic Woman (Stevie on vocal, Neale Heywood on lead but still in the background)
7. Second Hand News
8. Tell Me All The Things You Do (with Stevie instead of her backstage as she was in 2018)
9. Angel (Tusk song)
10. Hold Me (already done on LBCM Tour)
11. Rhiannon
12. Say You Love Me
13. Big Love
14. Landslide
15. Hypnotized
16. Little Lies
17. Station Man (with Stevie)
18. Over My Head (Mick on cocktail)
19. Straight Back (Mick on cocktail)
20. You Make Loving Fun
21. Stop Messin (Lindsey on vocal)
22. World Turning
Encore
23. Tusk
24. Crystal

[jmn3]

Had Lindsey folded to StevieÂ’s demand to do pre-White Album stuff and no new material AND he just didnÂ’t even speak at MusiCares exactly 6 years ago, I think this would have been the set.

1. DonÂ’t Stop
2. The Chain
3. Dreams
4. I DonÂ’t Want To Know
5. IsnÂ’t It Midnight
6. Black Magic Woman (Stevie on vocal, Neale Heywood on lead but still in the background)
7. Second Hand News
8. Tell Me All The Things You Do (with Stevie instead of her backstage as she was in 2018)
9. Angel (Tusk song)
10. Hold Me (already done on LBCM Tour)
11. Rhiannon
12. Say You Love Me
13. Big Love
14. Landslide
15. Hypnotized
16. Little Lies
17. Station Man (with Stevie)
18. Over My Head (Mick on cocktail)
19. Straight Back (Mick on cocktail)
20. You Make Loving Fun
21. Stop Messin (Lindsey on vocal)
22. World Turning
Encore
23. Tusk
24. Crystal

There is zero chance of this setlist ever happening with Lindsey. I think he would agree to do Oh Well and he might even be on board with playing on Stevie doing the BMW cover and Chris doing something from her pre-75 catalog. But there’s no way Lindsey was singing Hypnotized, Tell Me…, and Stop Messin’ Around and not doing Go Your Own Way. Also, Stevie seems to not even acknowledge the existence of I Don’t Want to Know.

I think Lindsey would have 100% been on board with broadening the setlist for a 2018 tour, he just would push for the 75-87, 97+ stuff that they did together. Look no further than the BuckVie tour where they did unearthed Wish You Were Here for its live debut 35 years after it was released and never played the most obvious LB/CM song: Don’t Stop (and World Turning for that matter).

You could make a great set with some key warhorses and rarities like Brown Eyes, Angel, Walk a Thin Line, That’s Alright, Book of Love, Wish You Were Here, Tango in the Night, Isn’t it Midnight, and hell, I hate this song, but I think a retooled, modernized, and less whassamattahbabayy version of When I See You Again would work.

Putting the stale setlist on Lindsey is laughable.

[WalkAThinLine.]

There is zero chance of this setlist ever happening with Lindsey. I think he would agree to do Oh Well and he might even be on board with playing on Stevie doing the BMW cover and Chris doing something from her pre-75 catalog. But there’s no way Lindsey was singing Hypnotized, Tell Me…, and Stop Messin’ Around and not doing Go Your Own Way. Also, Stevie seems to not even acknowledge the existence of I Don’t Want to Know.

I think Lindsey would have 100% been on board with broadening the setlist for a 2018 tour, he just would push for the 75-87, 97+ stuff that they did together. Look no further than the BuckVie tour where they did unearthed Wish You Were Here for its live debut 35 years after it was released and never played the most obvious LB/CM song: Don’t Stop (and World Turning for that matter).

You could make a great set with some key warhorses and rarities like Brown Eyes, Angel, Walk a Thin Line, That’s Alright, Book of Love, Wish You Were Here, Tango in the Night, Isn’t it Midnight, and hell, I hate this song, but I think a retooled, modernized, and less whassamattahbabayy version of When I See You Again would work.

Putting the stale setlist on Lindsey is laughable.

Buckingham has demonstrated a willingness to unearth some deep cuts on his most recent solo tours, but some of the least inspired setlists have happened under his watch: the Unleashed Tour only had "I Know I'm Not Wrong" and "Storms" and the On With the Show Tour only had "Sisters of the Moon", "Seven Wonders", and "I Know I'm Not Wrong" (the latter of which was swapped with "Bleed to Love Her", an admittedly decent selection). Buckingham certainly has influence in picking the setlist, particularly his own material, and there are multiple songs of his that appear on nearly every setlist: Big Love, I'm So Afraid, Never Going Back Again, Tusk, and Go Your Own Way. Add "The Chain" and "World Turning", both of which Buckingham prominently sings on, that leaves very little room for any deep cuts within a Fleetwood Mac setlist.

[jmn3]

Buckingham has demonstrated a willingness to unearth some deep cuts on his most recent solo tours, but some of the least inspired setlists have happened under his watch: the Unleashed Tour only had "I Know I'm Not Wrong" and "Storms" and the On With the Show Tour only had "Sisters of the Moon", "Seven Wonders", and "I Know I'm Not Wrong" (the latter of which was swapped with "Bleed to Love Her", an admittedly decent selection). Buckingham certainly has influence in picking the setlist, particularly his own material, and there are multiple songs of his that appear on nearly every setlist: Big Love, I'm So Afraid, Never Going Back Again, Tusk, and Go Your Own Way. Add "The Chain" and "World Turning", both of which Buckingham prominently sings on, that leaves very little room for any deep cuts within a Fleetwood Mac setlist.

My point (which admittedly wasn’t so obvious) about blaming Lindsey being laughable is more that they’re all boring and conservative with setlists.

[SteveMacD]

I think Lindsey would have 100% been on board with broadening the setlist for a 2018 tour, he just would push for the 75-87, 97+ stuff that they did together.

And that’s the problem. The main point of the 2018 tour, at least initially, was supporting the 50th Anniversary compilation. That’s what the tour was supposed to be about.

I get Lindsey doesn’t like playing the older material beyond “Oh Well,” but this was supposed to be a career-spanning retrospective tour.

Granted, anything interesting was gone by the end of the tour, at least some stuff got dusted off.

Look no further than the BuckVie tour where they did unearthed Wish You Were Here for its live debut 35 years after it was released and never played the most obvious LB/CM song: Don’t Stop (and World Turning for that matter).

Putting the stale setlist on Lindsey is laughable.

Okay, but Stevie also dusted off a lot of rarities (like “Crying In The Night”).

I’d never blame any single person for the stale setlists. There were very strong competing visions for the band. Stevie wanted to go vault, Lindsey wanted new. Neither especially wanted to do the stale setlists, but it was probably the easiest way for the band to get out on the road.

However, if Lindsey is going to pound his chest about being the band’s musical director and be firmly committed to using prerecords, then the buck stops with him and he should be prepared for the inevitable criticisms.

[UnwindedDreams]

There is zero chance of this setlist ever happening with Lindsey. I think he would agree to do Oh Well and he might even be on board with playing on Stevie doing the BMW cover and Chris doing something from her pre-75 catalog. But there’s no way Lindsey was singing Hypnotized, Tell Me…, and Stop Messin’ Around and not doing Go Your Own Way. Also, Stevie seems to not even acknowledge the existence of I Don’t Want to Know.

I think Lindsey would have 100% been on board with broadening the setlist for a 2018 tour, he just would push for the 75-87, 97+ stuff that they did together. Look no further than the BuckVie tour where they did unearthed Wish You Were Here for its live debut 35 years after it was released and never played the most obvious LB/CM song: Don’t Stop (and World Turning for that matter).

You could make a great set with some key warhorses and rarities like Brown Eyes, Angel, Walk a Thin Line, That’s Alright, Book of Love, Wish You Were Here, Tango in the Night, Isn’t it Midnight, and hell, I hate this song, but I think a retooled, modernized, and less whassamattahbabayy version of When I See You Again would work.

Putting the stale setlist on Lindsey is laughable.
My setlist was if Lindsey basically got on a leash for Stevie. I think Stevie’s the one who wants to sing Go Your Own Way…I get the feeling Lindsey doesn’t desire to play that song. And the setlist I put together would have been better than the one I saw in 2018, though I want no pre White Album songs. Stevie doing Storms was like Lindsey putting I Know I’m Not Wrong in the On With the Show Tour. Could you not have done Angel in 2018 Stevie and could you not have done That’s Enough For Me in 2014 Lindsey?

[jmn3]

My setlist was if Lindsey basically got on a leash for Stevie. I think Stevie’s the one who wants to sing Go Your Own Way…I get the feeling Lindsey doesn’t desire to play that song. And the setlist I put together would have been better than the one I saw in 2018, though I want no pre White Album songs. Stevie doing Storms was like Lindsey putting I Know I’m Not Wrong in the On With the Show Tour. Could you not have done Angel in 2018 Stevie and could you not have done That’s Enough For Me in 2014 Lindsey?

I got your premise but have to disagree on GYOW. Go Your Own Way is THE song in his catalog. His most well known/popular/loved - whatever you want to call it. There’s a reason basically every solo show he’s ever played as well as just about every Fleetwood Mac concert (even if he isn’t there) ends the main set with it.

[BigAl84]

Based on how the reboot of Sisters Of The Moon went, I'm glad Angel never got dusted off. It would have been a disappointment, IMO.

[soul_drifter333]

Yes, Angel took a little while to grow on me, but I love it now. I especially like the live version on disc 3 of the Live deluxe edition and the alternate take on the Tusk deluxe gets me every time. I wouldn't want to hear a current version.


Based on how the reboot of Sisters Of The Moon went, I'm glad Angel never got dusted off. It would have been a disappointment, IMO.

[UnwindedDreams]

Based on how the reboot of Sisters Of The Moon went, I'm glad Angel never got dusted off. It would have been a disappointment, IMO.
The only reason it wasn’t dusted off was because Seven Wonders was on American Horror Story and she wanted to revive it. I was happy to hear that live again. I wish Angel would have been done instead of Sisters another year but Stevie loved doing that song with her ad-libbing.

[BigAl84]

And that’s the problem. The main point of the 2018 tour, at least initially, was supporting the 50th Anniversary compilation. That’s what the tour was supposed to be about.

I get Lindsey doesn’t like playing the older material beyond “Oh Well,” but this was supposed to be a career-spanning retrospective tour.

Granted, anything interesting was gone by the end of the tour, at least some stuff got dusted off.



Okay, but Stevie also dusted off a lot of rarities (like “Crying In The Night”).

I’d never blame any single person for the stale setlists. There were very strong competing visions for the band. Stevie wanted to go vault, Lindsey wanted new. Neither especially wanted to do the stale setlists, but it was probably the easiest way for the band to get out on the road.

However, if Lindsey is going to pound his chest about being the band’s musical director and be firmly committed to using prerecords, then the buck stops with him and he should be prepared for the inevitable criticisms.

Music Cares happened in late January 2018. The Don't Stop 50 Years Box Set was announced 8 months later in September of 2018, with a release date of November 2018.

I've said this before, but I still think the entire box set project was dreamed up to serve a few purposes:

1. Make up for (expected) decreased touring revenue - They knew this tour was going to be a harder sell without Lindsey. Initial ticket sales turned out to be slow in a lot of markets.

2. Compensate for what they gave Lindsey - help get back the money they awarded Lindsey in the lawsuit.

3. Deliver a product that supports/demonstrates the "many lineups of Fleetwood Mac" in an effort to downplay Lindsey's departure.

I really don't believe for one minute this box set would have existed had Lindsey been part of the tour. This wasn't some sincere homage to Fleetwood Mac, they just used the history of Fleetwood Mac to try and make themselves look less terrible. It's a pretty blatant marketing ploy, IMO. It ultimately proved relatively unsuccessful with the focus of pre-75 material largely scrubbed from the tour only a few months into it.

[SteveMacD]

Boxed sets like that aren’t just thrown together. They take months, if not years to plan out, especially with a band with numerous stake holders.

[UnwindedDreams]

I found it weird that they didn’t sell it at merch stands at the shows that I went to on the 2019 legs. Stevie sold Crystal Visions on her 2007 Tour.

[soul_drifter333]

I didn't even buy the 50th anniversary collection so I probably shouldn't comment, but I guess I will anyway. :laugh: I wouldn't even call this a box set. It's just another greatest hits collection, hastily thrown together. I bet the band didn't even have much or anything to do with it. My impression was that Rhino used the same masters that they already had, and threw some songs together. I don't think it even had a booklet with it, and the cover was pure crap. I guess Sad Angell made it's cd debut, but almost everything has been rehashed over and over - rinse and repeat. Cash grab it isn't finest.

[BigAl84]

Boxed sets like that aren’t just thrown together. They take months, if not years to plan out, especially with a band with numerous stake holders.

Actually, Lindsey is on record for saying that even the Rumours deluxe box set from 2011/2012 was largely put together by the label and had very minimal involvement from the band. Stevie later admitted that she hadn't heard much of it either. Christine admitted that she hadn't heard the Mirage Box set in recent years.

[BigAl84]

I didn't even buy the 50th anniversary collection so I probably shouldn't comment, but I guess I will anyway. :laugh: I wouldn't even call this a box set. It's just another greatest hits collection, hastily thrown together. I bet the band didn't even have much or anything to do with it. My impression was that Rhino used the same masters that they already had, and threw some songs together. I don't think it even had a booklet with it, and the cover was pure crap. I guess Sad Angell made it's cd debut, but almost everything has been rehashed over and over - rinse and repeat. Cash grab it isn't finest.

Bingo. Exactly. These things do not take months or years and are relatively easy for labels to throw together if they own the rights to the material. If they can keep the cost of packaging/manufacturing down, they're an easy money maker.

[soul_drifter333]

I think that the deluxe editions took longer because someone had to research the tapes and find content. I also think one of the reasons for the deluxe editions was to preserve the tapes by baking and digitizing them, and I think they were hoping to recoup the cost of that process by releasing them commercially. It's a shame they're now out of print, but I guess they were only suppose to have a limited appeal. As for the 50th collection all that should have already been done. A CD booklet would have been nice for the 50th, but how many times can the same story be told?

Bingo. Exactly. These things do not take months or years and are relatively easy for labels to throw together if they own the rights to the material. If they can keep the cost of packaging/manufacturing down, they're an easy money maker.

[SteveMacD]

Bingo. Exactly. These things do not take months or years and are relatively easy for labels to throw together if they own the rights to the material. If they can keep the cost of packaging/manufacturing down, they're an easy money maker.

For most bands, yes.

Fleetwood Mac is a different story. I don’t know if WBR owns the rights to the Blue Horizon material and I think Cliff has to sign off on anything from pre-1974. Plus, with all of the publishing/catalog sales, it could be a difficult and lengthy process.

[elle]

Lindsey just did an interview on Sirus XM. Conan O'Brian podcast. I guess he is a big fan and listens all the time. I heard a snippet on Twitter that someone posted about his leaving the band. Nothing specific but he is still open to forgiving Stevie. Chump. And he is most upset about the Legacy of the band being hurt by the firing.

It's nice to have a fresh interview, even if a lot of it is typical LB responses. His pick of the songs and rationale why was interesting and something new and different. He said he's working on the new album this year, and invited Conan to stop over and jam with him when he feels like it. I enjoyed Conan's questions and banter. Lindsey telling him how he couldn't listen recently cos he had to drive a rental without Sirius in it.