Apparently Stevie is working with Dave Stewart on something [Archive]

Jondalar

12-17-2023, 04:44 AM

https://retropopmagazine.com/dave-stewart-teases-new-project-with-stevie-nicks-i-cant-talk-about-it-but-its-interesting-exclusive/

Dave Stewart might be best known for his work as one-half of Eurythmics with Annie Lennox, but in a decades-spanning career he’s worked with the biggest names in music. From Anastacia, Geri Halliwell and Katy Perry, to Joss Stone, Bryan Ferry and Mick Jagger, his list of collaborators is varied and impressive, and in 2011 he teamed up with Fleetwood Mac frontwoman Stevie Nicks on ‘In Your Dreams’ – her first solo album in a decade.

Three years later, they reconvened to record ‘24 Karat Gold: Songs From The Vault’, and speaking in RETROPOP’s December 2023 edition the musician hinted there’s more to come.

“She has called me about something that I can’t talk about, but it’s interesting,” he teases, before musing on the success of his various collaborations.

“I am very fortunate and very lucky to have worked with all these brilliant people and a lot of them many times, like Stevie and Joss Stone,” adds Dave. “Whoever I’m working with, we tend to have an enjoyable time and things happen in a quick but unique way.

“I think that’s why I have a lot of return visitors.”

Dave’s comments came ahead of his ‘Eurythmics Songbook’ European tour, which saw the Missionary Man hitmaker join forces with Australian singer Vanessa Amorosi, Warrington’s RAHH and his daughter, Kaya Stewart, on vocal duties to perform cuts from the duo’s classic repertoire.

Having an all-female band, led by keyboardist Hannah Koppenburg, is his way of “paying homage to [his] great friend and collaborator”, with Dave insisting of the concerts: “This isn’t just a lot of people bashing out songs.

“I’ve chosen amazing players and amazing visuals for a potted history of Eurythmics songs in all their glory, with harmonies and soloists and myself on guitar.”

In a review of Dave’s show at the London Palladium, RETROPOP praised the vocalists for “playing to their own strengths to bring a contemporary edge to the material while maintaining its authenticity”, writing: “As a tribute to one of the greatest pop duo’s of all time Stewart’s band did a cracking job.”

BombaySapphire3

12-17-2023, 06:42 AM

bwboy

12-17-2023, 08:37 AM

I saw this .I believe it is an old quote from Dave back when they started work on IYD. The creative well has long ago run dry and she exists now as an oldies touring act making occasional guest appearances on other people's songs. You can stick a fork in the dried up old nightbird. Creatively she has croaked her last croak.

I know… imagine being 75 or however old she is and not releasing albums anymore. Instead, she’s just touring, apparently something she loves to do. It’s pathetic and I feel sorry for her that at her age, she’s all dried up creatively. In the meantime, I’m looking forward to turning 65 so I can retire and never make another report again. Guess I’m drying up, too.

Sorry for my sarcasm, BombaySapphire3, but Stevie is really in a no-win situation on this board- if she doesn’t record anymore, people say she’s dried up; if she does record again, people say she should’ve quit while she was ahead because her voice has changed.

She doesn’t have to record for money, and she probably doesn’t write songs anymore. After 75 years, she’s earned the right to not record anymore. I say the exact same thing about Lindsey. If he were to quit releasing albums, he’s earned that right.

Villavic

12-17-2023, 09:30 AM

It's the Rhiannon movie!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/d5/23/e2d52393f7307f590f6c797cb2520804.jpg

UnwindedDreams

12-17-2023, 09:33 AM

She didn't use Dave to produce Show Them The Way and the cover of For What It's Worth

"And, I called my favorite producer, Greg Kurstin, and I said, 'I would like to record this.'”
https://www.brooklynvegan.com/stevie-nicks-releases-cover-of-buffalo-springfields-for-what-its-worth/

Maybe she feels Kurstin isn't capable of doing a whole album for her...even though Kurstin is her favorite producer. She asked Dave.

HomerMcvie

12-17-2023, 11:23 AM

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Front woman

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Macfan4life

12-17-2023, 11:44 AM

Rhiannon, the life of Stevie Nicks is coming to Broadway. She asked Dave to help her write the music for it. It should be done by 2025 just in time for the big Fleetwood Mac reunion tour.

Its about a girl that was born in the desert and finds her way to sunny California meeting Lindsey Buckingham and teaching him play guitar. She worked cleaning houses and waitressing before getting her big break becoming the lead singer in Fleetwood Mac. Her career soared beyond what anyone could believe. She's the first woman to be inducted into the Rock N Roll hall of fame TWICE.

Dave is working out her songs to tell the story of her rise to fame.

Should be interesting.

soul_drifter333

12-17-2023, 07:54 PM

Her opening on Broadway is to coincide with her winning the Nobel Piece Prize for recognition of the forgotten chimpanzees.

Rhiannon, the life of Stevie Nicks is coming to Broadway. She asked Dave to help her write the music for it. It should be done by 2025 just in time for the big Fleetwood Mac reunion tour.

Its about a girl that was born in the desert and finds her way to sunny California meeting Lindsey Buckingham and teaching him play guitar. She worked cleaning houses and waitressing before getting her big break becoming the lead singer in Fleetwood Mac. Her career soared beyond what anyone could believe. She's the first woman to be inducted into the Rock N Roll hall of fame TWICE.

Dave is working out her songs to tell the story of her rise to fame.

Should be interesting.

Villavic

12-17-2023, 08:58 PM

Its about a girl that was born in the desert and finds her way to sunny California meeting Lindsey Buckingham and teaching him play guitar. She worked cleaning houses and waitressing before getting her big break becoming the lead singer in Fleetwood Mac. Her career soared beyond what anyone could believe. She's the first woman to be inducted into the Rock N Roll hall of fame TWICE.
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No, I read the screenplay. She WAS going to be inducted when a couple of guys who were up to no good started making trouble in her neighborhood. She got in one little fight and her mom got scared. She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air"

Jondalar

12-18-2023, 12:32 AM

So I take that the article is wrong and it’s old?

UnwindedDreams

12-18-2023, 06:22 AM

So I take that the article is wrong and it’s old?
It's not old. I've never heard of this "publication" before.

Villavic

12-18-2023, 07:06 AM

The article is dated December 15, 2023. And he mentions the ‘Eurythmics Songbook’ European tour, which is from this year. Though some comments relate it to old quotes, it seems it's a current article anyway.

BigAl84

12-18-2023, 09:36 AM

Sorry for my sarcasm, BombaySapphire3, but Stevie is really in a no-win situation on this board- if she doesn’t record anymore, people say she’s dried up; if she does record again, people say she should’ve quit while she was ahead because her voice has changed.

1. Her tour hasn't been interesting in years
2. Her recording output hasn't been interesting in years..24K Gold is 10+ years old already

3. She's obscenely arrogant
4. She completely screwed the ending of Fleetwood Mac....for literally everyone. The band and the fans.
5. Her team continues to promote her as the prolific songwriter legacy act.

That's why people are perhaps a little cyical.

bwboy

12-18-2023, 10:20 AM

1. Her tour hasn't been interesting in years
2. Her recording output hasn't been interesting in years..24K Gold is 10+ years old already

3. She's obscenely arrogant
4. She completely screwed the ending of Fleetwood Mac....for literally everyone. The band and the fans.
5. Her team continues to promote her as the prolific songwriter legacy act.

That's why people are perhaps a little cyical.

I don’t disagree with anything here, except #4. The music is what makes their legacy in my eyes, so nothing can take away from that. Obviously you feel differently and that’s fine. I still stand by what I said though- if Stevie released a new album, some folks would complain about how bad it is; if she doesn’t release a new album, many of those same people would complain she’s not releasing anything new. Hence the no-win conundrum.

Personally I’m ok if she never releases a new album. There were maybe 3 songs I liked from In Your Dreams, and none from 24 Karat. I also disliked every new song she recorded or appeared on since, like the one called My Hand, Show Them the Way, and For What It’s Worth, except for the Maroon 5 song. So if she is dried up creatively, I don’t blame her for not recording a new album.

mitzo

12-18-2023, 10:32 AM

I am really curious about what this might be and would welcome new music, especially 24KG 2.

HomerMcvie

12-18-2023, 11:12 AM

I don’t disagree with anything here, except #4. The music is what makes their legacy in my eyes, so nothing can take away from that. Obviously you feel differently and that’s fine. I still stand by what I said though- if Stevie released a new album, some folks would complain about how bad it is; if she doesn’t release a new album, many of those same people would complain she’s not releasing anything new. Hence the no-win conundrum.

Personally I’m ok if she never releases a new album. There were maybe 3 songs I liked from In Your Dreams, and none from 24 Karat. I also disliked every new song she recorded or appeared on since, like the one called My Hand, Show Them the Way, and For What It’s Worth, except for the Maroon 5 song. So if she is dried up creatively, I don’t blame her for not recording a new album.
You're ridiculous.

She could murder your entire family and you'd still defend her.

BombaySapphire3

12-18-2023, 11:18 AM

I am really curious about what this might be and would welcome new music, especially 24KG 2.

It is an old quote by Dave in a new article .Believe me she will never record another album of new material. Dial phones will come back first.

Jondalar

12-18-2023, 12:44 PM

It is an old quote by Dave in a new article .Believe me she will never record another album of new material. Dial phones will come back first.

He didn’t say it was a new album.

UnwindedDreams

12-18-2023, 12:57 PM

Maybe she called him to replace Mike Campbell for a FM tour.

bwboy

12-18-2023, 01:15 PM

You're ridiculous.

She could murder your entire family and you'd still defend her.

If I can say that Fleetwood Mac touring with Dave Mason and Bekka Bramlett on a bill with REO Speedwagon and Pat Benatar didn’t destroy their legacy, I can certainly say a tour with Neil Finn and Mike Campbell didn’t destroy their legacy, either.

HomerMcvie

12-18-2023, 01:55 PM

If I can say that Fleetwood Mac touring with Dave Mason and Bekka Bramlett on a bill with REO Speedwagon and Pat Benatar didn’t destroy their legacy, I can certainly say a tour with Neil Finn and Mike Campbell didn’t destroy their legacy, either.

Opinions are like something.... You're crazy if you don't think the ending not being the Rumours five didn't tarnish their legacy.

Now go polish your goat shrine.

BombaySapphire3

12-18-2023, 02:03 PM

He didn’t say it was a new album.

Right. The person that I was responding to thought that it might be a new album. The quote from Dave is verbatim what he tweeted right before they started IYD but even if it is new there will be no new album so what could be be referring to? Another narcissistic and self congratulatory film:shrug::laugh:

David

12-18-2023, 02:18 PM

I am really curious about what this might be and would welcome new music, especially 24KG 2.

But you would want all the lyrical ballads and I would want the rockers.

I would want “All the King’s Horses,” “Jimmy, Come On Back,” and “Beautiful Ghost.”

FuzzyPlum

12-18-2023, 02:51 PM

She’s running for President and wants him as her running mate.
Interesting.
Please God them the way

jmn3

12-18-2023, 08:57 PM

If I can say that Fleetwood Mac touring with Dave Mason and Bekka Bramlett on a bill with REO Speedwagon and Pat Benatar didn’t destroy their legacy, I can certainly say a tour with Neil Finn and Mike Campbell didn’t destroy their legacy, either.

Couldn’t destroy the legacy because they still had the ability to pull the trump card out to save it - and that’s the Rumours 5. 1997 saved their legacy and rebooted the band for an extra 20+ years and Stevie’s solo career. Short of that happening, Fleetwood Mac would’ve petered out in the 80’s with everything from the 1987 tour through Time as a dusty footnote.

And that’s how the 2018-19 tour will be remembered - a dusty footnote that is barely remembered and simply doesn’t matter.

bwboy

12-18-2023, 09:56 PM

And that’s how the 2018-19 tour will be remembered - a dusty footnote that is barely remembered and simply doesn’t matter.

I couldn’t agree more. But other people feel that FM’s legacy has been tarnished forever. I am not one of those people.

jmn3

12-18-2023, 10:22 PM

I couldn’t agree more. But other people feel that FM’s legacy has been tarnished forever. I am not one of those people.

I think it’s the what if/yet another missed opportunity that makes people feel that way. A proper final album and tour was the right way to end this thing. A dusty footnote is not a worthy ending of an entity of Fleetwood Mac’s stature.

Jondalar

12-19-2023, 12:27 AM

Stevie’s decision to kick Lindsey, the creative force, out the band, forever tarnished her reputation. After she is dead, and can’t network and kiss butt to stay relevant, she won’t be able to protect herself from the truth. Lindsey was the main force behind the music. She caused the end of Fleetwood to end on a negative note.

Macfan4life

12-19-2023, 06:24 AM

I think it’s the what if/yet another missed opportunity that makes people feel that way. A proper final album and tour was the right way to end this thing. A dusty footnote is not a worthy ending of an entity of Fleetwood Mac’s stature.
Yes exactly. I would only add that opening for REO Speedwagon was by choice. The singers left on their own accord and Mick wanted to still play so he found replacements. He said looking back it was the wrong thing to do. But he wanted to still play and he and John need a band with a singer. I don't see how anyone can compare this to what happened in 2018. Lindsey did not leave by choice. Everyone was expecting a last album and final tour. Instead we got a Buck/Vie album and a replacement tour. That OWTS tour with Chris and Lindsey really changed the dynamic and jealousy started again.

jmn3

12-19-2023, 07:03 AM

Villavic

12-19-2023, 08:34 AM

1. Her tour hasn't been interesting in years

It's not interesting to me. I haven't seen any Stevie Nicks concert and would never go, specially nowadays. I don't find it attractive nor interesting. But that's me. Cause watching some clips in networks and realizing the lot of people at arenas, I wouldn't say her tours are not interesting as an absolute truth. I see lot of people has interesting in going to her concerts.

BigAl84

12-19-2023, 09:47 AM

I never implied any of my points as the absolute truth....LOLOLOL I said it amongst fans in the context of an online message board. Her tours haven't been interesting to the majority of fans in quite some time.

UnwindedDreams

01-01-2024, 11:43 AM

So what's Stevie going to give us that's new this year?

Penguin Emeritus

01-01-2024, 12:35 PM

Yes exactly. I would only add that opening for REO Speedwagon was by choice. The singers left on their own accord and Mick wanted to still play so he found replacements. He said looking back it was the wrong thing to do. But he wanted to still play and he and John need a band with a singer. I don't see how anyone can compare this to what happened in 2018. Lindsey did not leave by choice. Everyone was expecting a last album and final tour. Instead we got a Buck/Vie album and a replacement tour. That OWTS tour with Chris and Lindsey really changed the dynamic and jealousy started again.

I saw them on their 1995 tour, at Magic Mountain in PA. ugh. It wasn't really so much anyone opening for anyone else...more just a shared bill. if i recall correctly, it was Orleans, REO Speedwagon, Pat Benatar and FM. I think FM was third? I was extremely embarrassed for them. They didn't sound awful but the venue was pretty small and basic, and for me it was painful to see 'fleetwood mac' looking so pathetic compared to the 'hugeness' of their former selves. A lot of people wandered out to the bathroom and for a beer. i think the band that made the best showing that day may have been Pat Benatar. Bekka had a great voice, but to see her up there doing Gold Dust Woman or whatever stevie song she did was bizarre.

At the time, John had emailed me something like that 'the band with Billy and Bekka is over, and Mick and I are on to something new.' So he didn't say/think the band was over completely...but i wonder what he thought was next lol.

I do think the 97 reunion was an amazing surprise. and then chris returning was another amazing surprise.

so sad things turned out as they did later on w LB being fired. I agree their legacy should not have ended as it did. Shame there wasn't a way to somehow work all that out... But i'm grateful for what we got, i guess, because ending on the 1995 note would have been far worse! that was heartbreaking to see.

--Lis

Macfan4life

01-01-2024, 01:06 PM

I saw them on their 1995 tour, at Magic Mountain in PA. ugh. It wasn't really so much anyone opening for anyone else...more just a shared bill. if i recall correctly, it was Orleans, REO Speedwagon, Pat Benatar and FM. I think FM was third? I was extremely embarrassed for them. They didn't sound awful but the venue was pretty small and basic, and for me it was painful to see 'fleetwood mac' looking so pathetic compared to the 'hugeness' of their former selves. A lot of people wandered out to the bathroom and for a beer. i think the band that made the best showing that day may have been Pat Benatar. Bekka had a great voice, but to see her up there doing Gold Dust Woman or whatever stevie song she did was bizarre.

At the time, John had emailed me something like that 'the band with Billy and Bekka is over, and Mick and I are on to something new.' So he didn't say/think the band was over completely...but i wonder what he thought was next lol.

I do think the 97 reunion was an amazing surprise. and then chris returning was another amazing surprise.

so sad things turned out as they did later on w LB being fired. I agree their legacy should not have ended as it did. Shame there wasn't a way to somehow work all that out... But i'm grateful for what we got, i guess, because ending on the 1995 note would have been far worse! that was heartbreaking to see.

--Lis
In 1995 they were playing large venues even if they were sharing the bill. They even played Sun Fest in 1995 in West Palm Beach which is a huge art show with major talent concerts. I remember hearing GYOW with Billy and it was so strange because I never thought I would hear that song live again.
They stayed at some flea bag hotel. 2 years later (1997) the Palm Beach Post pointed that out how the band stayed at an interstate hotel and now have 3 entire ocean front floors rented at the Breakers Hotel in Palm Beach for their West Palm Beach stop. They sort of went from rags to riches again.

BombaySapphire3

01-01-2024, 02:04 PM

They stayed at some flea bag hotel. 2 years later (1997) the Palm Beach Post pointed that out how the band stayed at an interstate hotel and now have 3 entire ocean front floors rented at the Breakers Hotel in Palm Beach for their West Palm Beach stop. They sort of went from rags to riches again.

In the pre-Dance mid '90s Stevie who usually loves to boast about her opulent lifestyle was crying poor mouth saying in an interview that she used the royalties from the then wildly popular Smashing Pumpkins cover of Landslide to repair her swimming pool.

Macfan4life

01-01-2024, 02:27 PM

In the pre-Dance mid '90s Stevie who usually loves to boast about her opulent lifestyle was crying poor mouth saying in an interview that she used the royalties from the then wildly popular Smashing Pumpkins cover of Landslide to repair her swimming pool.
Yes. There is an interview with Stevie promoting Street Angel on some radio station on youtube. The DJ asks why there was no video for her current single and her response really showed how terrified she was of the future. She said making a video costs lots of money and someday she may be downsized living in a one bedroom apartment wishing she would not have spent that kind of money on a video.
You could sense her unease of for the first time in her solo career a record tanked and her tour was not drawing huge numbers. She also did not have a Fleetwood Mac career anymore. She had never experienced anything like that before. Her touring on a bus tells you everything you need to know. She probably had not toured on a bus since her Buckingham Nicks days.
The Dance changed everything and cash grab tours now made more money than they ever dreamed of.

HomerMcvie

01-01-2024, 02:34 PM

I saw them on their 1995 tour, at Magic Mountain in PA. ugh. It wasn't really so much anyone opening for anyone else...more just a shared bill. if i recall correctly, it was Orleans, REO Speedwagon, Pat Benatar and FM. I think FM was third? I was extremely embarrassed for them. They didn't sound awful but the venue was pretty small and basic, and for me it was painful to see 'fleetwood mac' looking so pathetic compared to the 'hugeness' of their former selves. A lot of people wandered out to the bathroom and for a beer. i think the band that made the best showing that day may have been Pat Benatar. Bekka had a great voice, but to see her up there doing Gold Dust Woman or whatever stevie song she did was bizarre.

At the time, John had emailed me something like that 'the band with Billy and Bekka is over, and Mick and I are on to something new.' So he didn't say/think the band was over completely...but i wonder what he thought was next lol.

I do think the 97 reunion was an amazing surprise. and then chris returning was another amazing surprise.

so sad things turned out as they did later on w LB being fired. I agree their legacy should not have ended as it did. Shame there wasn't a way to somehow work all that out... But i'm grateful for what we got, i guess, because ending on the 1995 note would have been far worse! that was heartbreaking to see.

--Lis

I saw them with REO and Pat B, at "deer creek" amphitheater in Indy(I think it's called Ruoff now). If I remember correctly, Pat opened and REO closed the show. I thought Bekka was awesome, but we had lawn seats, and people all around us were bitching that it wasn't FM without $tevie, and that bugged me a lot. Bekka did Dreaming the Dream, and made me a fan.

Macfan4life

01-01-2024, 03:23 PM

I saw them on their 1995 tour, at Magic Mountain in PA. ugh. It wasn't really so much anyone opening for anyone else...more just a shared bill. if i recall correctly, it was Orleans, REO Speedwagon, Pat Benatar and FM. I think FM was third? I was extremely embarrassed for them. They didn't sound awful but the venue was pretty small and basic, and for me it was painful to see 'fleetwood mac' looking so pathetic compared to the 'hugeness' of their former selves. A lot of people wandered out to the bathroom and for a beer. i think the band that made the best showing that day may have been Pat Benatar. Bekka had a great voice, but to see her up there doing Gold Dust Woman or whatever stevie song she did was bizarre.

At the time, John had emailed me something like that 'the band with Billy and Bekka is over, and Mick and I are on to something new.' So he didn't say/think the band was over completely...but i wonder what he thought was next lol.

I do think the 97 reunion was an amazing surprise. and then chris returning was another amazing surprise.

so sad things turned out as they did later on w LB being fired. I agree their legacy should not have ended as it did. Shame there wasn't a way to somehow work all that out... But i'm grateful for what we got, i guess, because ending on the 1995 note would have been far worse! that was heartbreaking to see.

--Lis
If I could ask Bekka one question it would be about that Gold Dust Woman performance. We know that Bekka got the talk from Chris about certain Stevie songs not to do i.e. Rhiannon, Dreams, etc. Was Gold Dust Woman not on that list? An oversight? Correct me if I am wrong but it was not originally in the set but added in the summer of 95? I cant remember. But how did she get away with performing one of the most identifiable Stevie songs after Chris's talk? Did Mick clear it with Stevie perhaps the Dance talk warmed things up between the two? Did Mick not care at that point and dare Stevie to stop it? Was there a conversation in the band that the audience was not into it unless there was a Stevie song? I am so curious about this.

Penguin Emeritus

01-01-2024, 03:56 PM

If I could ask Bekka one question it would be about that Gold Dust Woman performance. We know that Bekka got the talk from Chris about certain Stevie songs not to do i.e. Rhiannon, Dreams, etc. Was Gold Dust Woman not on that list? An oversight? Correct me if I am wrong but it was not originally in the set but added in the summer of 95? I cant remember. But how did she get away with performing one of the most identifiable Stevie songs after Chris's talk? Did Mick clear it with Stevie perhaps the Dance talk warmed things up between the two? Did Mick not care at that point and dare Stevie to stop it? Was there a conversation in the band that the audience was not into it unless there was a Stevie song? I am so curious about this.

I wonder if the band (maybe esp Mick?) felt they HAD to include one stevie song in the set...and maybe GDW was the compromise because it was not as well-known as Dreams and Rhiannon? maybe chris only mentioned the 2 big hits to Bekka as something to not do. I mean GDW is identifiable to us as huge Mac fans, but maybe not quite as identifiable to the regular 'radio listener' fan. i'm not sure when they added that to the set. and I thought Bekka actually sang it well, she has a great voice...but for her to do Dreams or Rhiannon , that would have been sort of wrong. as chris knew lol. I wonder if stevie would have really cared about GDW at that point??

as to whether most of the audience was wholeheartedly 'into' *any* of the songs is probably debatable...they sure weren't at the show i was at...

--Lis

bwboy

01-01-2024, 05:36 PM

I saw them on their 1995 tour, at Magic Mountain in PA. ugh. It wasn't really so much anyone opening for anyone else...more just a shared bill. if i recall correctly, it was Orleans, REO Speedwagon, Pat Benatar and FM. I think FM was third? I was extremely embarrassed for them. They didn't sound awful but the venue was pretty small and basic, and for me it was painful to see 'fleetwood mac' looking so pathetic compared to the 'hugeness' of their former selves. A lot of people wandered out to the bathroom and for a beer. i think the band that made the best showing that day may have been Pat Benatar. Bekka had a great voice, but to see her up there doing Gold Dust Woman or whatever stevie song she did was bizarre.

At the time, John had emailed me something like that 'the band with Billy and Bekka is over, and Mick and I are on to something new.' So he didn't say/think the band was over completely...but i wonder what he thought was next lol.

I do think the 97 reunion was an amazing surprise. and then chris returning was another amazing surprise.

so sad things turned out as they did later on w LB being fired. I agree their legacy should not have ended as it did. Shame there wasn't a way to somehow work all that out... But i'm grateful for what we got, i guess, because ending on the 1995 note would have been far worse! that was heartbreaking to see.

--Lis

I see it that way, too. No offense to fans of the Time lineup, but if FM had ended things right then and there, it would have been heartbreaking. Thankfully the band came back and ended on a much much higher note. It peaked when Christine returned and toured with them,. As another poster said, that last tour without Lindsey will just be a footnote.

If people really want to say their legacy wasn’t impacted when they played a tour with Orleans, Pat Benatar, and REO Speedwagon, and released an album that never even charted on Billboard’s Top 200 album list, but that it was destroyed when Lindsey was fired and they successfully toured one last time, well, Cognitive Dissonance is a real thing.

Macfan4life

01-01-2024, 05:47 PM

I wonder if the band (maybe esp Mick?) felt they HAD to include one stevie song in the set...and maybe GDW was the compromise because it was not as well-known as Dreams and Rhiannon? maybe chris only mentioned the 2 big hits to Bekka as something to not do. I mean GDW is identifiable to us as huge Mac fans, but maybe not quite as identifiable to the regular 'radio listener' fan. i'm not sure when they added that to the set. and I thought Bekka actually sang it well, she has a great voice...but for her to do Dreams or Rhiannon , that would have been sort of wrong. as chris knew lol. I wonder if stevie would have really cared about GDW at that point??

as to whether most of the audience was wholeheartedly 'into' *any* of the songs is probably debatable...they sure weren't at the show i was at...

--Lis
I agree that is the logical assumption. Its still funny AF that Chris had to sit Bekka down and give her notice about Stevie songs. It would be ridiculous for Chris to list every song Stevie did in concert. You would just think they were all off limits. But maybe not. When Bekka spilled the beans earlier this year about that talk with Chris I wish the interviewer would have followed up about GDW. I have a vague recollection about Stevie saying in an interview she was concerned they were going to perform her songs. Its quite possible she gave the band permission to perform it.

WatchChain

01-01-2024, 09:34 PM

Her touring on a bus tells you everything you need to know. She probably had not toured on a bus since her Buckingham Nicks days.
The Dance changed everything and cash grab tours now made more money than they ever dreamed of.

Can you imagine the pretentious Stevie (who loved to talk about private jets and luxury hotels) riding down the road on a tour bus? This was the same woman who demanded that her luxury hotel room be freshly repainted and equipped with a grand piano before her arrival.

The Time/Street Angel years were very lean for these spoiled brats. Their careers were on life support - and they desperately needed The Dance.

vivfox

01-02-2024, 10:24 PM

The Time/Street Angel years were very lean for these spoiled brats. Their careers were on life support - and they desperately needed The Dance.

I have a video of Stevie performing on a teeny tiny pier somewhere in Florida in 1996. It was so sad to see that she was once this great superstar selling out arenas and here she was performing to about 100 people.

Macfan4life

01-03-2024, 05:16 AM

I have a video of Stevie performing on a teeny tiny pier somewhere in Florida in 1996. It was so sad to see that she was once this great superstar selling out arenas and here she was performing to about 100 people.
That was a one time gig on the 4th of July promoted by a radio station in Tampa in 1996. I am sure she got paid fairly well to perform. Since it was not from a major tour production is why the stage was small and it looked so random. I think she performed 5 songs.

UnwindedDreams

01-03-2024, 06:42 AM

If people really want to say their legacy wasn’t impacted when they played a tour with Orleans, Pat Benatar, and REO Speedwagon, and released an album that never even charted on Billboard’s Top 200 album list, but that it was destroyed when Lindsey was fired and they successfully toured one last time, well, Cognitive Dissonance is a real thing.
For me, at least the Time lineup actually did an album. The 2018 lineup had no creative output, not even a rerecording of the classic songs like many bands do when they have members who weren't original ones. (KISS, Blondie, Journey, Foreigner)

It's one thing to do a nostalgia setlist with original members, but doing one without especially when Lindsey was alive, to me seems wrong. That 2018 setlist shouldn't have featured any Lindsey songs and Stevie should have been singing Crystal, Angel, Sara, Love Is Dangerous in addition to her hits and Christine should have been singing As Long As You Follow, Love in Store, Warm Ways, and Brown Eyes in addition to her hits. DDIO and I Got You should have been scrapped for In the Back of My Mind and Stand on the Rock. And Freedom should have been the first encore song rather than Free Fallin'.

Again, saw the show four times, but found it boring after all the hype in the press when the lineup was announced in April 2018 on CBS and in RollingStone.

UnwindedDreams

01-03-2024, 06:46 AM

That was a one time gig on the 4th of July promoted by a radio station in Tampa in 1996. I am sure she got paid fairly well to perform. Since it was not from a major tour production is why the stage was small and it looked so random. I think she performed 5 songs.
She did a radio show outdoors in Boston that year too. She performed Twisted!

bwboy

01-03-2024, 10:15 AM

For me, at least the Time lineup actually did an album. The 2018 lineup had no creative output, not even a rerecording of the classic songs like many bands do when they have members who weren't original ones. (KISS, Blondie, Journey, Foreigner)

It's one thing to do a nostalgia setlist with original members, but doing one without especially when Lindsey was alive, to me seems wrong. That 2018 setlist shouldn't have featured any Lindsey songs and Stevie should have been singing Crystal, Angel, Sara, Love Is Dangerous in addition to her hits and Christine should have been singing As Long As You Follow, Love in Store, Warm Ways, and Brown Eyes in addition to her hits. DDIO and I Got You should have been scrapped for In the Back of My Mind and Stand on the Rock. And Freedom should have been the first encore song rather than Free Fallin'.

If FM had performed the songs you’d suggested, I would have gone to as many concerts as possible! Having said that, I really did enjoy DDIO.

Since they didn’t record anything new (or old), I actually think that makes it even easier to say their legacy is still firmly intact. A recording would have cemented that this was a new lineup, but without that, there’s really nothing tangible that this was a new lineup. If they had recorded a new album and it had bombed or gotten bad reviews, like they did Time, and if they had performed at smaller venues with several other bands on the bill, then yes, their legacy would have been impacted horribly. That didn’t happen in this case. I think history will show that even though Lindsey was fired, for all intents and purposes he was a member of FM. Christine’s passing is ultimately what led to the band no longer being active. Just my opinion, of course.

BigAl84

01-03-2024, 10:59 AM

What was really shady (how they treated Lindsey aside!) about the 2018 tour was the amount of PR they kicked up declaring that they were a new band entering a new chapter with all the hoopla/hinting to the possibility of new music etc.....and not an ounce of it wound up being true. Which most fans knew and were not surprised, but it still sucked. They tried to mix up the setlist with a bunch of material that hadn't been done in decades and they wound up axing that before the end of the first leg.

That "cover" (atrocity) of Gypsy they did on Ellen is still quite possibly the cringiest professionally recorded live performance of any 75-87 lineup material to date.

The weird shift of Stevie-centric Fleetwood Mac fans coming out of the woodwork as faux advocates of the pre-75 material to justify what was happening was particularly hilarious. A lot of folks had no problem lining up behind Mick's "new band, our legacy IS the revolving door of our lineup" sales pitch. What an odd attempt to dismiss the previous 21 years of the Dance era reformation of the band and a backhanded way to acknowledge all of the other lineups.

BigAl84

01-03-2024, 11:22 AM

Macfan4life

01-03-2024, 11:42 AM

IMO part of their legacy since 1997 was being known as a turbulent band that eventually made amends and worked together for 18 years between 97 and 2015.

That was completely shattered when the pettiness of the 2018 events occurred. Now they're grouped with all of the other bands from the same era that can't stand one another and ultimately ended on a sour note.

Sadly as Christine mentioned in one of her final interviews, people always talk about the fighting but they actually had a lot of fun and laughs. In the end, the infamous infighting reputation won over anything else.
BUT.......
That was only a facade. In that 1994 Details interview with Stevie she says there will not be a Fleetwood Mac reunion with her and Chris. She also said that Lindsey hates her. She was in a panic phase with no Fleetwood Mac career and a tanking solo career. They all regrouped for a giant pay day. It was an assumption they made amends but Stevie and Lindsey never did. They played nice on stage but constantly bothered each other with petty antics.

bwboy

01-03-2024, 12:07 PM

BUT.......
That was only a facade. In that 1994 Details interview with Stevie she says there will not be a Fleetwood Mac reunion with her and Chris. She also said that Lindsey hates her. She was in a panic phase with no Fleetwood Mac career and a tanking solo career. They all regrouped for a giant pay day. It was an assumption they made amends but Stevie and Lindsey never did. They played nice on stage but constantly bothered each other with petty antics.

Maybe the truth, as usual, lies somewhere in between. I go along with BigAl, that they did make amends and got along reasonably well between 1995-2014. Lindsey recorded Twisted with Stevie, so that right there shows they were both open to reconciliation at that point. Then the Dance happened and they were probably shocked at how well that tour went, as well as the financial windfall it afforded all of them. It’s easy to get along when you’re on a high, which I’m sure the Dance tour was.

Clearly there was a change during and after Say You Will. But up to that point, I absolutely believe they had all truly reconciled any big issues and they were getting along.

Macfan4life

01-03-2024, 12:33 PM

Maybe the truth, as usual, lies somewhere in between. I go along with BigAl, that they did make amends and got along reasonably well between 1995-2014. Lindsey recorded Twisted with Stevie, so that right there shows they were both open to reconciliation at that point. Then the Dance happened and they were probably shocked at how well that tour went, as well as the financial windfall it afforded all of them. It’s easy to get along when you’re on a high, which I’m sure the Dance tour was.

Clearly there was a change during and after Say You Will. But up to that point, I absolutely believe they had all truly reconciled any big issues and they were getting along.
I take Chris at her word when she said her and John made up and get along great but Stevie and Lindsey never did. They are constantly fighting. Its amazing what people will do and look past for large amounts of money. Stevie despised Mick for awhile and swore she would never go back to the Mac. In her darkest hour rejoining was too good to pass up. After the inaugural ball the band went out of their way to tell people. NO. We are not reuniting. Sorry. Stevie hated the SYW process and we got a glimpse of it on the documentary. Lindsey knows how to push her buttons and vice versa. Just think: Go Insane was about Stevie. When he broke up with his girlfriend, the line "She's alot like you" was meant for Stevie. You know things are crazy when the name of your album and lead single is GO INSANE. And this was years before their big blowout.

UnwindedDreams

01-03-2024, 12:54 PM

If FM had performed the songs you’d suggested, I would have gone to as many concerts as possible! Having said that, I really did enjoy DDIO.

Since they didn’t record anything new (or old), I actually think that makes it even easier to say their legacy is still firmly intact. A recording would have cemented that this was a new lineup, but without that, there’s really nothing tangible that this was a new lineup. If they had recorded a new album and it had bombed or gotten bad reviews, like they did Time, and if they had performed at smaller venues with several other bands on the bill, then yes, their legacy would have been impacted horribly. That didn’t happen in this case. I think history will show that even though Lindsey was fired, for all intents and purposes he was a member of FM. Christine’s passing is ultimately what led to the band no longer being active. Just my opinion, of course.
On the second to last sentence, Mick went out of his way on the 2023 Grammys Red Carpet to say FM survived loss before.

If Mike and Neil Fleetwood Mac released new music, they would not have played smaller venues. I supported the lineup change because I’m a Stevie fan first. But I was let down and I should have known after the Ellen performance and the more than predictable set at the iheart Music Festival, that I shouldn’t have bought tickets to more shows! I end the Fleetwood Mac story with the OWTS Tour which played 3 nights at MSG and 1 on Long Island, 5 nights in New England, 5 at The Forum, 2 in DC, 2 in Vancouver, 3 in Chicago, 2 in Atlanta, 3 in NJ, 5 nights all over Texas, and 6 in London.

David

01-03-2024, 01:11 PM

One of the really weird occurrences in 2011 was when Stevie called Lindsey and asked him to help out with her song “Soldier’s Angel.” As everyone knows, he showed up, helped her put together an arrangement, he was pleased with it, she was pleased with it, they were both pleased with each other, and that was that.

It was a weird oasis of friendship in a stormy sea of loathing over the years. Granted, it was only three or four days, but still. Maybe that’s how they should have worked together from 1998 on — three or four days at a time on a single track, and then get out of each other’s hair for two years.

BigAl84

01-04-2024, 09:49 AM

I think Lindsey truly moved on, more so than Stevie. That doesn't mean that he didn't know how to push some buttons. I don't think Lindsey held onto much resentment of any kind, even regarding their past relationship.

I think the 2011 "phone call of the ages" was a good example of the ongoing list of issues with Lindsey that Stevie still hadn't made peace with, was still holding onto etc. Lindsey even seemed a little surprised/taken back by it when it was discussed in interviews at the time. In 2011 she was still had grudges going back to 1968 apparently.

I'll always go back to the comments Stevie made about the 2009 tour. She didn't necessarily like it and described it as "benign" because there was no conflict with Lindsey. She pretty much admitted that for her, it was the conflict and friction that made performing with him interesting/normal.

I got the impression that in the later years, Lindsey may have managed his interactions with her in a brother & sister kind of way...i.e. banging on the wall when the music was too loud. In contrast, I think Stevie still internally evaluated every conflict with him as some sort of divorcing-couples conflict and reacted accordingly in a very scorched earth kind of way.

Christine is probably right. They made amends to a degree, but not in the way she and John did. I think Lindsey was capable of it and pretty close to it. I question Stevie's ability to ever get to that point.

jmn3

01-04-2024, 10:38 AM

Stevie’s whole identity in the last 20 years has been about what a poor victim she has been. Lindsey is the star villain in her story and she has to continue to perpetuate that in order to keep herself interesting to whatever new audience she has built around her in the last decade or so. Poor Stevie - Lindsey yelled at her. He didn’t like her signed copy of Bella Donna. He said she wasn’t Bob Dylan. He said her music was too loud. He made her pose naked 50 years ago. Go on TikTok and any FM or SN video is full of comments stating Lindsey basically beat the crap out of her for decades.

And it isn’t just him. At some point just about everybody she’s worked with or been involved with in any capacity has wronged her mercilessly and is part of her story overcoming all the evilness. She’s exhausting.

bombaysaffires

01-05-2024, 11:28 PM

jmn3

01-06-2024, 07:24 AM

Indeed, let's not forget how many feuds she's had over the years with Mick. Their feud when he wouldn't let her use Silver Springs is probably the most famous, with that one she didn't talk to him in a long time. But they've had many over the years. Drama, drama.

Oh of course. And that whole Silver Springs thing was rather ridiculous and never made sense. By that time she had been a solo artist for a decade and had done what, 4 major solo tours? Why wasn’t Silver Springs ever part of her set? Or why didn’t she just re-record the damn song a la Taylor Swift, release it on one of her albums and tell Mick to fly a kite? And I’ll go to my grave feeling I Don’t Want to Know was perfect on Rumours and superior to having Silver Springs on it.

But again, poor wittle Stevie is allllways the victim. Everyone is so mean to her!!

UnwindedDreams

01-06-2024, 07:43 AM

Oh of course. And that whole Silver Springs thing was rather ridiculous and never made sense. By that time she had been a solo artist for a decade and had done what, 4 major solo tours? Why wasn’t Silver Springs ever part of her set? Or why didn’t she just re-record the damn song a la Taylor Swift, release it on one of her albums and tell Mick to fly a kite? And I’ll go to my grave feeling I Don’t Want to Know was perfect on Rumours and superior to having Silver Springs on it.

But again, poor wittle Stevie is allllways the victim. Everyone is so mean to her!!
Last year she proclaimed that Silver Springs made The Dance a #1 album. Landslide was the "hit" from that album and it wasn't the song Silver Springs that is what's talked about... it's her and Lindsey singing to each other but she won't mention Lindsey's role in that performance. She'll just say that he was a bum who didn't work in his 20s, even though the arrangement was made between them or let's sue her favorite term "pact" that she'd work low-skilled jobs so he could work on the music. And this was 50 years ago, talk about holding on to things!

sue

01-06-2024, 08:52 AM

Maybe she has NPD….
Narcisstic Personality disorder…just the name sounds like Stevie..
People with the condition engage in victim behaviour..to manipulate others..
I mean who can hold a grudge for nearly 50 years.
Life’s too short…

bombaysaffires

01-07-2024, 12:48 AM

Last year she proclaimed that Silver Springs made The Dance a #1 album. Landslide was the "hit" from that album and it wasn't the song Silver Springs that is what's talked about... it's her and Lindsey singing to each other but she won't mention Lindsey's role in that performance. She'll just say that he was a bum who didn't work in his 20s, even though the arrangement was made between them or let's sue her favorite term "pact" that she'd work low-skilled jobs so he could work on the music. And this was 50 years ago, talk about holding on to things!

and not to mention he did in fact work...he had session gigs etc (recall she was in Aspen writing Landslide because he'd gotten a job on the road with the Everly Brothers) and he tried his hand (albeit unsuccessfully) at other jobs, famously he talked about working in a call center selling ads. It doesn't make as good a story. (for some reason this reminds me of her Hamburger Helper story.. which seem to fall off the radar after the early 80s):lol:

UnwindedDreams

01-07-2024, 08:30 AM

I don't think Stevie ever wanted to take guitar lessons either.

Anything new with this Dave Stewart quote? We know Stevie's added concerts in May and June. Gold Dust Tour 2005, Gold Dust Tour 2022, Gold Dust Tour 2023, and now Gold Dust Tour 2024? The casino crowd catered shows have been back for 2 straight years.

David

01-07-2024, 03:29 PM

Maybe she has NPD….
Narcissistic Personality disorder…just the name sounds like Stevie..
People with the condition engage in victim behaviour..to manipulate others..
I mean who can hold a grudge for nearly 50 years.
Life’s too short…

That’s why her more frequent statements about political matters since the 2000s have seemed inappropriate and empty and rather addle-headed. Those statements (and songs) feel superficial and desultory coming from her because of her lifelong grudge toward an old boyfriend. That’s what really animates her, and we all know it. She doesn’t care about bigger matters. She cares whether her old boyfriend is smirking.

Speaking of politics, where is Michele? I vote that she post again.

sue

01-08-2024, 01:57 PM

That’s why her more frequent statements about political matters since the 2000s have seemed inappropriate and empty and rather addle-headed. Those statements (and songs) feel superficial and desultory coming from her because of her lifelong grudge toward an old boyfriend. That’s what really animates her, and we all know it. She doesn’t care about bigger matters. She cares whether her old boyfriend is smirking.

Speaking of politics, where is Michele? I vote that she post again.

Omg…poor woman.
Having everything in life…good looks, talent, friends, money, popularity, doing something that (according to her) she really enjoys, ….
and then being obsessed by one man.

That also puts Lindsey in a strange position because he must know.
No wonder he smirks……..

HomerMcvie

01-08-2024, 03:15 PM

Omg…poor woman.
Having everything in life…good looks, talent, friends, money, popularity, doing something that (according to her) she really enjoys, ….
and then being obsessed by one man.

That also puts Lindsey in a strange position because he must know.
No wonder he smirks……..

$he's become ridiculous. A joke. $he's so f*cking petty that $he ruined the ending of the band that made her a $tar. F*cking INGRATE.

BigAl84

01-08-2024, 04:12 PM

We're simply witnessing somebody truly become cannibalized by their own character/image/persona. One could argue the same thing was happening to Elvis before he unexpectedly passed away. Somebody had her ear in the early 2000's and told her she should just do the oldies circuit and she was happy to go along. The same thing is happening again with Azoff. It's going to be pure legacy rehashing going forward.

There's definitely an issue with narcism, how could there not be at this point. Her whole interaction and apparent passion about Barbie Stevie was...fascinating to say the least.

I too agree that I Don't Want To Know adds levity to the album and I prefer the album without Silver Springs. The Rumours recording of Silver Springs is beautiful, but I think the Dance version is more powerful.

bombaysaffires

01-08-2024, 09:45 PM

UnwindedDreams

01-09-2024, 06:10 AM

Her whole interaction and apparent passion about Barbie Stevie was...fascinating to say the least.

I too agree that I Don't Want To Know adds levity to the album and I prefer the album without Silver Springs. The Rumours recording of Silver Springs is beautiful, but I think the Dance version is more powerful.
The Stevie Barbie posts and mentions at every show to me are manic.

Silver Springs is what she considers to be one of her top songs yet 2018 was the only tour since The Dance that she didn't perform it.:shrug: Also Sara never made it to 2018 either.

BigAl84

01-09-2024, 08:53 AM

The Stevie Barbie posts and mentions at every show to me are manic.

Silver Springs is what she considers to be one of her top songs yet 2018 was the only tour since The Dance that she didn't perform it.:shrug: Also Sara never made it to 2018 either.

Because it wouldn't work. Even she knows that staring at Mike or Neil while singing those verses wouldn't be right.

UnwindedDreams

01-09-2024, 12:33 PM

Because it wouldn't work. Even she knows that staring at Mike or Neil while singing those verses wouldn't be right.
She tried a moment like that during Storms (could save us) but Neil didn’t play into any of that during the tour. No hand holding or nose rubbing. The new Fleetwood Mac if you will.

HomerMcvie

01-09-2024, 03:01 PM

She tried a moment like that during Storms (could save us) but Neil didn’t play into any of that during the tour. No hand holding or nose rubbing. The new Fleetwood Mac if you will.

Kind of like New Coke. Tastes like sh*t.

Or new cocaine. It'll kill you.

The new FM. Kiss my @$$, Stevie Nicks. You ruined it.

Murrow

01-19-2024, 06:37 PM

I'm no big fan of how she's behaved in recent years but I shall reserve judgment until the project is unveiled.

UnwindedDreams

01-19-2024, 07:46 PM

I'm no big fan of how she's behaved in recent years but I shall reserve judgment until the project is unveiled.
She starts playing live again next month. Maybe it'll be unveiled around that time.

BLY

01-19-2024, 08:24 PM

She starts playing live again next month. Maybe it'll be unveiled around that time.

If Stevie plans on releasing any new music 2024 should be it. In May she will be 76 years of age and I think her performing days will be coming to an end (or should be). It may be time to focus on her art and a book.

UnwindedDreams

01-19-2024, 08:29 PM

If Stevie plans on releasing any new music 2024 should be it. In May she will be 76 years of age and I think her performing days will be coming to an end (or should be). It may be time to focus on her art and a book.
At this point, I think she’ll have an album out before Lindsey. Come June it’ll be 3 years since he released I Don’t Mind.

BigAl84

01-19-2024, 11:17 PM

I'll eat my words in a year if I'm wrong. There's no new album. Maybe a new single track that she'll release. Meanwhile the stale tour continues to limp along.

HomerMcvie

01-20-2024, 03:02 AM

I'll eat my words in a year if I'm wrong. There's no new album. Maybe a new single track that she'll release. Meanwhile the stale tour continues to limp along.

It's got mold growing on it. Irving approved.

UnwindedDreams

01-20-2024, 08:17 AM

There's no new album. Maybe a new single track that she'll release.
I think we'll know in three weeks if she's releasing an album either before the first show or the work week following it as the first show is on a Saturday.

I'm with you on the tour. One would think after two full years of touring the same Free Fallin, For What It's Worth, Wild Heart/Bella Donna show, she would have totally revamped her show. But she's just riding the legacy wave now - come breathe the same air as me while you still can since I'm almost 80! And don't you gaf about what songs I choose to sing.

sarafield

01-29-2024, 11:36 PM

and not to mention he did in fact work...he had session gigs etc (recall she was in Aspen writing Landslide because he'd gotten a job on the road with the Everly Brothers) and he tried his hand (albeit unsuccessfully) at other jobs, famously he talked about working in a call center selling ads. It doesn't make as good a story. (for some reason this reminds me of her Hamburger Helper story.. which seem to fall off the radar after the early 80s):lol:

She eventually stopped trying to make Hamburger Helper interesting for Lindsey and moved on toasting English muffin “pizzas” for Jimmy Iovine. (Why do we know these things? Oh yeah, cocaine.)

SteveMacD

01-30-2024, 01:01 AM

Somebody had her ear in the early 2000's and told her she should just do the oldies circuit and she was happy to go along.
Nobody had to tell her anything. Street Angel, Trouble In Shangri-La, and Say You Will didn’t live up to her commercial expectations. In Your Dreams only reaffirmed that. That’s why she basically phoned it in for 24 Karat Gold. There’s literally no commercial upside for new music as far as she’s concerned. However, she’s still in high demand as a concert act.

Lindsey got the hint that his solo work was mostly for a niche audience in 1993 and stopped having commercial aspirations for it. I also think Lindsey and Christine understood their duet album wasn’t going to be a hit, but were doing it for the intrinsic value of creating something new with Fleetwood Mac.

Jondalar

02-01-2024, 01:59 PM

Nobody had to tell her anything. Street Angel, Trouble In Shangri-La, and Say You Will didn’t live up to her commercial expectations. In Your Dreams only reaffirmed that. That’s why she basically phoned it in for 24 Karat Gold. There’s literally no commercial upside for new music as far as she’s concerned. However, she’s still in high demand as a concert act.

Lindsey got the hint that his solo work was mostly for a niche audience in 1993 and stopped having commercial aspirations for it. I also think Lindsey and Christine understood their duet album wasn’t going to be a hit, but were doing it for the intrinsic value of creating something new with Fleetwood Mac.

I thought 24 Karat Gold was her best album since the Wild Heart. Stevie's rich. She doesn't need any more money and could record her songs without worry of commercial success. She is 75. She is not going to live forever.

BigAl84

02-01-2024, 02:26 PM

bwboy

02-01-2024, 03:09 PM

Nobody had to tell her anything. Street Angel, Trouble In Shangri-La, and Say You Will didn’t live up to her commercial expectations. In Your Dreams only reaffirmed that. That’s why she basically phoned it in for 24 Karat Gold.

Trouble in Shangri-La sold pretty well, and got some of her best reviews since Bella Donna, so I think she was pleased with that album. As for 24 Karat Gold, I don’t think she phoned it in vocally, I think that’s just how she sounds now. I read she released 24 KG as a tribute to her mother, so I really don’t think think she would have phoned it in for that reason. It’s a no frills album and sounds just like what it was- a quickly recorded album she wanted to get out as soon as possible. But I don’t think the quality of the album was because she phoned it in. I think it was the best she could do.

Macfan4life

02-01-2024, 04:52 PM

Trouble in Shangri-La sold pretty well, and got some of her best reviews since Bella Donna, so I think she was pleased with that album. As for 24 Karat Gold, I don’t think she phoned it in vocally, I think that’s just how she sounds now. I read she released 24 KG as a tribute to her mother, so I really don’t think think she would have phoned it in for that reason. It’s a no frills album and sounds just like what it was- a quickly recorded album she wanted to get out as soon as possible. But I don’t think the quality of the album was because she phoned it in. I think it was the best she could do.
But is not "quickly recording an album to get it out ASAP" by definition sort of phoning it in? We can argue over vocals. But the album tracks are pretty much identical to the demos. All The Beautiful Worlds became All The Horrible Worlds.
There are some great songs on it but they are not executed musically or vocally which you can say was "phoned in."
On the contrary nothing on Buckingham/McVie was even remotely "phoned in."

bombaysaffires

02-06-2024, 11:05 PM

24K is easily her worst sounding record. I'm shocked she let some of those vocals go out the door. Those gravely tracks on TISL sound better than The Dealer etc..

She had better material in the vault that she left behind i.e. Julia etc. Blue Water and Cathouse Blues just feel like scrap filler at best. The revised "Twisted" and "My Heart" was a complete mess as well (just my opinion) She removed the most interesting parts of both of those songs.

But is not "quickly recording an album to get it out ASAP" by definition sort of phoning it in? We can argue over vocals. But the album tracks are pretty much identical to the demos. All The Beautiful Worlds became All The Horrible Worlds.
There are some great songs on it but they are not executed musically or vocally which you can say was "phoned in."
On the contrary nothing on Buckingham/McVie was even remotely "phoned in."

You both nailed it.

Didn't she say something about owing the record company another album per her contract and deciding to just slap together these demos into something (Or am I conflating that with one of her greatest hits packages?)

Anything remotely "artistic" in her work disappeared decades ago.... it's been "Show me the money" forever now.

Macfan4life

02-07-2024, 05:03 AM

She eventually stopped trying to make Hamburger Helper interesting for Lindsey and moved on toasting English muffin “pizzas” for Jimmy Iovine. (Why do we know these things? Oh yeah, cocaine.)
Don't forget about the bologna sandwiches on white bread from the 7/11 at 3 am that she made for her crew during the late night recording of HAEWAFY. One of her impromptu RAL sessions she showed up for.
Oh yeah. That cocaine again. One helluva drug.

UnwindedDreams

02-07-2024, 06:23 AM

Stevie announced a dozen more tour dates. Any chance this year's tour supports a new album?:laugh:

She has a lot of casino dates. Back to May 2005- May 2011 times!

David

02-07-2024, 02:57 PM

Stevie announced a dozen more tour dates. Any chance this year's tour supports a new album?:laugh:

She’s got to be finished with Fleetwood. They don’t offer her anything. She’s already out there touring and flashing her brilliant smile for the people.

UnwindedDreams

02-08-2024, 07:49 AM

She’s got to be finished with Fleetwood. They don’t offer her anything. She’s already out there touring and flashing her brilliant smile for the people.
I agree David. She's playing almost all of the same arenas as FM, with the exception of Centre Bell, Greensboro Coliseum, Fort Lauderdale/Sunrise Arena, Miami Arena, and a couple in NE. She begins a tour this month which runs right now into the summer. Will she have a new single?

David

02-09-2024, 04:58 PM

Will she have a new single?

Wouldn’t it be amazing if her new single was “Forest of the Black Roses”?

Album to follow this winter with “The Maker of Birds,” “Goddess of Steeds,” “Rhiannon,” “Pwyll My Love,” “You Ate Your Babies?” “Get in That Sack,” “Bear the People on Your Back,” “I Got Such an Ache in My Horse Latitudes,” “Lord of Death,” and “Forsaken Love.”

UnwindedDreams

02-09-2024, 05:35 PM

Wouldn’t it be amazing if her new single was “Forest of the Black Roses”?
If that’s the single, she should just put if You Ever Did Believe in her setlist!

BrownEyedGirl26

02-18-2024, 11:26 PM

I have a video of Stevie performing on a teeny tiny pier somewhere in Florida in 1996. It was so sad to see that she was once this great superstar selling out arenas and here she was performing to about 100 people.

Maybe that still haunts her until today! For us fans, we just want to see her, irregardless of the size of the crowd.

Stevie, we don't need all the drama. That is just a distraction for us!

Please make the years that you have left, quality years. How do you want to be remembered? Please drop any bitterness you have with Lindsey, and may or may not have with Mick and get together as 'The Three Fireflies', 'The Four Fireflies' if John is healthy enough, at least for one last concert for the fans! Thankyou!:wavey:

David

02-21-2024, 01:57 PM

I have a video of Stevie performing on a teeny tiny pier somewhere in Florida in 1996. It was so sad to see that she was once this great superstar selling out arenas and here she was performing to about 100 people.
That was the one on the Ft. Lauderdale pier I believe where she comes onstage to rehearse earlier in the day, dressed in a beautiful sundress and sunglasses and looking very L.A. She and the band rehearse several of the songs, including “Dreams” and “Twisted.” Some of her biggest fans are watching the rehearsal. It’s a sweet, casual and relaxed rehearsal at a time when Stevie wasn’t attracting huge crowds. I think she did about three shows that year (1996) to get back in the swing of things, almost as if she knew she was prepping for something bigger (1997).

greendaze5

02-21-2024, 03:58 PM

I think she did about three shows that year (1996) to get back in the swing of things, almost as if she knew she was prepping for something bigger (1997).

Yes, she also played at Boston Common. I had friends who went.

Macfan4life

02-21-2024, 04:58 PM

Those were more like appearances for radio stations. Stevie celebrated the 4th of July in Tampa that was promoted by a local radio station. She played 5 or so songs. It was the same deal in Boston. Not a tour. Nothing to promote. Just paid a few bucks to sing a few songs.

Tampa 1996 Mix 96 The Pier 4th of July, 1996

Soundcheck -Twisted - notice American Flags in the back
small stage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1HjYBn4T4I
Rooms on Fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQc-K2UXyJE

Mixfest Boston October 1996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IeTletC3e8

blinker12

02-22-2024, 08:27 AM

This live 1996 version of “Twisted” is my favorite of the many incarnations of this song. I love the energy of the instrumentation, which seemed to inspire Stevie to really open up and go for it on the vocals. It also feels very on-trend for the mid 1990s, almost Dave Matthews-esque, while still being distinctly Stevie.

Villavic

02-22-2024, 08:34 AM

Tampa 1996 Mix 96 The Pier 4th of July, 1996

Soundcheck -Twisted - notice American Flags in the back
small stage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1HjYBn4T4I

She seems to be in good shape there. That makes me ask, when did she get clean of klonopin addiction?

Macfan4life

02-22-2024, 10:44 AM

She seems to be in good shape there. That makes me ask, when did she get clean of klonopin addiction?
I think it was sometime late 1993

mitzo

03-06-2024, 10:13 AM

Anybody else thinking this collaboration with Dave Stewart is actually nothing?

sleepless child

03-06-2024, 11:58 AM

I think it's nothing. Or old news from In Your Dreams. I am starting to think she will never record again and is planning on touring till she's 80. Or her health gives out.

UnwindedDreams

03-06-2024, 12:21 PM

Anybody else thinking this collaboration with Dave Stewart is actually nothing?
It’s actually an album. Stevie said Fine Line by Harry Styles inspired her to make another album. She said she’s recorded three songs already. We have no idea what she did during the month to three month breaks in between legs of her tours. Remember 24 Karat Gold Songs From The Vault was released in 2014 so wouldn’t you agree this year come October 2024 is when she usually releases her albums?

David

03-06-2024, 01:01 PM

It’s actually an album. Stevie said Fine Line by Harry Styles inspired her to make another album. She said she’s recorded three songs already. We have no idea what she did during the month to three month breaks in between legs of her tours. Remember 24 Karat Gold Songs From The Vault was released in 2014 so wouldn’t you agree this year come October 2024 is when she usually releases her albums?

This could be her long-awaited RHIANNON album.

Or maybe she should do something like Dolly Parton’s latest album — do a bunch of fun covers with famous friends. Thoughts?

https://www.churchofasphodel.org/assets/images/rhiannon/RhiannonOld4.jpg

HomerMcvie

03-06-2024, 01:41 PM

This could be her long-awaited RHIANNON album.

Or maybe she should do something like Dolly Parton’s latest album — do a bunch of fun covers with famous friends. Thoughts?

https://www.churchofasphodel.org/assets/images/rhiannon/RhiannonOld4.jpg
She's So Afraid it won't sell.

soul_drifter333

03-06-2024, 02:59 PM

If she was smart she would release a box set of all her old demos. There's so many that still haven't been released and they were recorded while her voice was still in it's prime. There's probably still some we haven't even heard. It would be almost total profit minus the mastering and pressing. She could even just release them digitally.
I wouldn't want another 24K with her recording them in her current vocal, and especially with Dave producing. Yikes! :laugh:

This could be her long-awaited RHIANNON album.

Or maybe she should do something like Dolly Parton’s latest album — do a bunch of fun covers with famous friends. Thoughts?

https://www.churchofasphodel.org/assets/images/rhiannon/RhiannonOld4.jpg

mitzo

03-06-2024, 11:59 PM

secret love

03-07-2024, 04:14 AM

I would welcome a 24K2, a new album of new material, or an album of covers duets. But I do not expect any of it. I wish she would record rather than tour the US endlessly bellowing the same old setlist. The recordings seal your legacy. Concerts don't.

If she's not going to record again, can she at least bring her tour to Australia? But she says she has recorded new songs (though not enough for an album, that we know of) and I for one would like to hear them. The Vampire's Wife could be a great song. It could also be trash, but I'll wait until I hear it to decide.

UnwindedDreams

03-07-2024, 07:07 AM

I would welcome a 24K2, a new album of new material, or an album of covers duets. But I do not expect any of it. I wish she would record rather than tour the US endlessly bellowing the same old setlist. The recordings seal your legacy. Concerts don't.
She's actually sold out 70,000 tickets for a concert this July in Hyde Park London so maybe she's going to do some shows in Dublin, Manchester, Barcelona, Paris, Lisbon, Berlin, who knows?

I bet the farm that an album is coming this year...or at the least a new song that she'll actually play on stage unlike Show Them The Way, and then an album in early 2025.

I think the time has passed on another Songs From The Vault. She had so much time to record that after the Fleetwood Mac tour ended in November 2015 and her solo tour started in October 2016. Then she had December 18 2016 to February 23, 2017 off. April 6, 2017 to July 15, 2017 off. So we really should have had a Songs From the Vault album at the latest end of 2017. I think Stevie was worried about album sales.

Given she's saying she's been writing her best songs lately, I think she's now confident that her newly written songs will resonate and sell.

But you're right, in what I take to mean that these setlists are really a middle finger to her diehard fans.

BigAl84

03-07-2024, 10:08 AM

BigAl84

03-07-2024, 10:10 AM

Given she's saying she's been writing her best songs lately, I think she's now confident that her newly written songs will resonate and sell.

I mean if Stevie says so, it has to be true! :]

HomerMcvie

03-07-2024, 10:45 AM

I mean if Stevie says so, it has to be true! :]

I'd give $14.99 to have a permanent lie detector attached to her, and see the thing constantly blowing up.

But, I think she's George Costanza. "It's not a lie, if you believe it, Jerry".

Villavic

03-07-2024, 10:56 AM

UnwindedDreams

03-07-2024, 12:21 PM

Well she has not been the only one who has stated that has written her/his best songs lately. It's obvious they say that while promoting a new album. Saying they have just written good enough songs wouldn't make sense.

But of course, they usually said that when they're actually making and releasing a new album.
So when she said her best songs are Edge of Seventeen, Stand Back, and Show Them The Way. Do you think she believes that? 3 years later, STTW hasn’t been performed live.

BigAl84

03-07-2024, 12:31 PM

So when she said her best songs are Edge of Seventeen, Stand Back, and Show Them The Way. Do you think she believes that? 3 years later, STTW hasn’t been performed live.

She probably believes she wrote STTW with Prince :]

UnwindedDreams

03-07-2024, 01:48 PM

I'm so glad that an album from Harry Styles that came out 5+ years ago has sparked her inspiration....too bad the return of her "best friend in the whole world" to Fleetwood Mac couldn't of had the same affect. I thought albums weren't worth doing because they didn't sell enough copies? What a f*cking hypocrite. I'd rather spend $14.99 at the dentist office.
She wouldn’t make a FM album with Christine because talentless and abusive Lindsey would be there. Even though there were four other people there to protect her.

David

03-07-2024, 02:00 PM

We have to think about her differently from the past. She’s really no longer a songwriter, per se, or a record maker. She’s much more like a theme park — you visit her at Viejas Arena or wherever, once a year, and she delivers the same ride. You like it because of its familiarity. You don’t want the Matterhorn to be a different experience — you want it to be the same experience. And the fact that she can fill a big hall still means she’s an E ticket. In a basic, bored way, I have to hand it to her. But my only interaction with her is what I read on this forum or Instagram. She’s just sort of … there. I look at the Instagram accounts of her current tour and then I bring up the Rhino website to see whether something really good is on the books for her, like a concert from 40 years ago.

Villavic

03-07-2024, 03:35 PM

So when she said her best songs are Edge of Seventeen, Stand Back, and Show Them The Way. Do you think she believes that? 3 years later, STTW hasn’t been performed live.

No, I didn't mean that. My point was that it's a typical phrase I heard from many stars "I've been writing my best songs lately", "this last album is the best I've ever recorded", "these are my best songs ever", etc. A cheap resource to catch attention and motivate sales, but common in artists who are focus in market. I don't say every artist say that, but I have heard that lot of times. Few times it becomes true. So I'm not surprised Stevie has said that.

bombaysaffires

03-07-2024, 04:07 PM

No, I didn't mean that. My point was that it's a typical phrase I heard from many stars "I've been writing my best songs lately", "this last album is the best I've ever recorded", "these are my best songs ever", etc. A cheap resource to catch attention and motivate sales, but common in artists who are focus in market. I don't say every artist say that, but I have heard that lot of times. Few times it becomes true. So I'm not surprised Stevie has said that.

yep, they all say it when hyping their latest work. Stevie was herself notorious for it. And then, after the sales tapered off, and the tour was done, she would start telling stories about how awful it was, how much she didn't like certain things, etc etc etc

secret love

03-07-2024, 08:32 PM

I'm so glad that an album from Harry Styles that came out 5+ years ago has sparked her inspiration....too bad the return of her "best friend in the whole world" to Fleetwood Mac couldn't of had the same affect. I thought albums weren't worth doing because they didn't sell enough copies? What a f*cking hypocrite. I'd rather spend $14.99 at the dentist office.

$14.99? I pay that much for a tube of high fluoride toothpaste! Can you give me the name of your dentist? Compared to yours my dentist charges like a wounded bull! :laugh:

secret love

03-07-2024, 08:38 PM

She wouldn’t make a FM album with Christine because talentless and abusive Lindsey would be there. Even though there were four other people there to protect her.

Yes, that talentless, awful man, who turned her plodding piano demos into actual songs they could sell to the masses. What a cretin.

BigAl84

03-08-2024, 10:02 AM

She wouldn’t make a FM album with Christine because talentless and abusive Lindsey would be there. Even though there were four other people there to protect her.

LOL...the Stevie cult has spoken.

mitzo

03-08-2024, 10:12 AM

Anyway, i don't expect to see anything from a Dave Stewart collaboration. Her last release was the 24KG concert package and it was not a big seller, I think. She seems determined to be moribund.

Villavic

03-08-2024, 10:39 AM

$14.99? I pay that much for a tube of high fluoride toothpaste! Can you give me the name of your dentist? Compared to yours my dentist charges like a wounded bull! :laugh:

And I would travel to US to go the dentist if $14.99 is a usual price! :lol:

Actually many peruvians who live in the US usually take the opportunity to go to the dentist here when they come to visit family, cause it's considerably cheaper, or so they say. But definitely it's not $14.99 :)

HomerMcvie

03-08-2024, 03:03 PM

And I would travel to US to go the dentist if $14.99 is a usual price! :lol:

Actually many peruvians who live in the US usually take the opportunity to go to the dentist here when they come to visit family, cause it's considerably cheaper, or so they say. But definitely it's not $14.99 :)

Sh*t, I've got $15,000 in 5 dental implants. And I need two more. The price is INSANE.

The cruise I just went on? I could take TWO AND A HALF CRUISES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE DENTAL IMPLANT. Think about that for a minute. It's nucking futs.

BigAl84

03-08-2024, 04:06 PM

Well sh*t my dental sarcasm sure took off more than I thought it would.

For the record, I can't buy a fart in a jar for 14.99 from my dentist. Now, Mick Fleetwood on the other hand would easily sell his farts in a jar for $14.99. That's a given.

HomerMcvie

03-08-2024, 04:18 PM

UnwindedDreams

03-08-2024, 05:52 PM

Anyway, i don't expect to see anything from a Dave Stewart collaboration. Her last release was the 24KG concert package and it was not a big seller, I think. She seems determined to be moribund.
She worked with Dave Stewart and Greg Kurstin on Show Them The Way. Perhaps she's again working with them on her next album.

Her last release was The Box Set of Albums and Rarities. I believe that sold 20,000.

Show Them The Way and her cover of For What It's Worth did not chart in the Billboard 100. I hope that's not why she hasn't released a new song since Show Them The Way four years ago.

Villavic

03-08-2024, 06:18 PM

For the record, I can't buy a fart in a jar for 14.99 from my dentist. Now, Mick Fleetwood on the other hand would easily sell his farts in a jar for $14.99. That's a given.

You guys make me remeber The Adventures of Prisicilla Queen of the Dessert, where one of the guys (I think it was Felicia) show his "proudest possession", a jar containing sh--t from ABBA’s Agnetha.

Well I wouldn't buy anything like that either. But it would be nice to have Christine's maracas.

BLY

03-08-2024, 06:49 PM

She worked with Dave Stewart and Greg Kurstin on Show Them The Way. Perhaps she's again working with them on her next album.

Her last release was The Box Set of Albums and Rarities. I believe that sold 20,000.

Show Them The Way and her cover of For What It's Worth did not chart in the Billboard 100. I hope that's not why she hasn't released a new song since Show Them The Way four years ago.

I’m pissed that Show Them The Way Was not included on the Rarities disc of her box set.

HomerMcvie

03-08-2024, 07:16 PM

The Adventures of Prisicilla Queen of the Dessert

I tried that once. It was delicious! :lol:

mitzo

03-08-2024, 07:54 PM

soul_drifter333

03-08-2024, 11:41 PM

I believe she just sold the songwriting/publishing and not for all her songs, but most. I'm not sure who owns the actual recording of the songs. Personally I don't really want any new music from her especially if Dave is producing. The last song, For What It's Worth, was kinda nice since she sang softly and didn't shout. I doubt she'd record a whole album with care and not shout out the lyrics though.

Was the box set of all albums plus rarities really "hers," though? She sold all the rights to her songs for a hundred million, I thought. In which case any profits from sales of that would not go to her. In any case I really don't expect an album from her. Over the last thirty years she has given us four. The last one was almost ten years ago. Clearly she does not want to record, or she would have done it more. A lot more. Which leaves her catalogue more a historical archive than anything.

secret love

03-09-2024, 01:33 AM

I believe she just sold the songwriting/publishing and not for all her songs, but most. I'm not sure who owns the actual recording of the songs. Personally I don't really want any new music from her especially if Dave is producing. The last song, For What It's Worth, was kinda nice since she sang softly and didn't shout. I doubt she'd record a whole album with care and not shout out the lyrics though.

For someone who had to start a solo career because she had so many songs that couldn't possibly fit on Fleetwood Mac albums, Stevie hasn't really been that prolific as a songwriter. Eight studio albums in 43 years. I think Fleetwood Mac made more albums in 1967 - 1974 than Stevie has made in her whole career.

What don't people like about Dave Stewart's producing? I really enjoyed In Your Dreams, it's just so nice and pleasant to listen to - but that's just me.

sue

03-09-2024, 03:13 AM

Maybe Stevie should try an Album of Classic songs.
Rod Stewart ( with Jools Holland) is top of the Album charts !!
“Swing Fever.”
and he cannot sing these days.
He, like Stevie, has a uniform, that hasn’t changed since the 1970’s.
And a hairdo that’s pretty much the same..

Yes that’s the way ahead…
Cole Porter, Gershwin, Irving Berlin, Sammy Kahn etc etc..
She will need a fabulous arranger and that should not be Dave Stewart.

Seriously she should do a Country album

UnwindedDreams

03-09-2024, 06:34 AM

Was the box set of all albums plus rarities really "hers," though? She sold all the rights to her songs for a hundred million, I thought. In which case any profits from sales of that would not go to her. In any case I really don't expect an album from her. Over the last thirty years she has given us four. The last one was almost ten years ago. Clearly she does not want to record, or she would have done it more. A lot more. Which leaves her catalogue more a historical archive than anything.
It was hers - her website and social media posted the singles from the set: My Heart and One More Big Time Rock and Roll Star. The image and font of the box set cover are the image and font that are on a tote bag for sale at her concerts.
The only reason I would question if it was hers was because Show Them The Way was not on the box set, but I think it wasn't on there because it's not a rarity.

If you don't expect an album, what do you make of her telling interviews that she's recorded new songs already? She told The New Yorker in 2022 that she recorded her best song. She told Mike Campbell she recorded three songs with Greg Kurstin.

Villavic

03-09-2024, 08:42 AM

I tried that once. It was delicious! :lol:

Let's think it was the auto corrector :thumbsup:

Though the truth is that though it was never perfect, I used to speak and write english far better years ago. For work reasons I did it frequently. Now that I'm retired I'm losing my english skills.

mitzo

03-09-2024, 10:19 AM

It was hers - her website and social media posted the singles from the set: My Heart and One More Big Time Rock and Roll Star. The image and font of the box set cover are the image and font that are on a tote bag for sale at her concerts.
The only reason I would question if it was hers was because Show Them The Way was not on the box set, but I think it wasn't on there because it's not a rarity.

If you don't expect an album, what do you make of her telling interviews that she's recorded new songs already? She told The New Yorker in 2022 that she recorded her best song. She told Mike Campbell she recorded three songs with Greg Kurstin.

Stevie has often talked about things she plans to do and they never happen, eg. the Rhiannon film and a children's book etc. I fully agree with others here that she could still do various types of projects, but i really doubt she will. She just talks about it. Where is the prolific songwriter and artist?

UnwindedDreams

03-09-2024, 02:14 PM

Stevie has often talked about things she plans to do and they never happen, eg. the Rhiannon film and a children's book etc. I fully agree with others here that she could still do various types of projects, but i really doubt she will. She just talks about it. Where is the prolific songwriter and artist?
On the In Your Dreams Tour, Stevie started the show saying "This is not the Stevie Nicks greatest hits show you're used to seeing. I'm never doing that again after making this record (In Your Dreams)." And she followed up with the great 2016 Songs From The Vault tour - even though she should have done more than three songs from 24KG.
Now it's 2024, she's doing the 2005-2010 "greatest hits" setlist.

It seems like during the On With The Show Tour, with the help of management and her advisor Irving Azoff, Stevie wanted to ride her LEGEND and ICON status. So she did an arena tour. She certainly had enough time once the OWTS Tour ended to record 24KG Volume 2 so we could have had three songs from that instead of 3 from In Your Dreams.

Once the Songs From The Vault Tour was over and she had the Fleetwood Mac tour offer. She knew she could plant her feet and say "I don't want to record a Fleetwood Mac album so if that's what you want to do, I can play the same arenas Fleetwood Mac plays on my own." Therefore, Lindsey is fired, in part, for his disapproval of Fleetwood Mac not touring a new album, and Neil Finn and Mike Campbell come in wanting to make new music as Fleetwood Mac, but Stevie wouldn't let that happen. Mick didn't protest.

I hope she releases a solo album this year.

bombaysaffires

03-09-2024, 02:33 PM

On the In Your Dreams Tour, Stevie started the show saying "This is not the Stevie Nicks greatest hits show you're used to seeing. I'm never doing that again after making this record (In Your Dreams)." And she followed up with the great 2016 Songs From The Vault tour - even though she should have done more than three songs from 24KG.
Now it's 2024, she's doing the 2005-2010 "greatest hits" setlist.

It seems like during the On With The Show Tour, with the help of management and her advisor Irving Azoff, Stevie wanted to ride her LEGEND and ICON status. So she did an arena tour. She certainly had enough time once the OWTS Tour ended to record 24KG Volume 2 so we could have had three songs from that instead of 3 from In Your Dreams.

Once the Songs From The Vault Tour was over and she had the Fleetwood Mac tour offer. She knew she could plant her feet and say "I don't want to record a Fleetwood Mac album so if that's what you want to do, I can play the same arenas Fleetwood Mac plays on my own." Therefore, Lindsey is fired, in part, for his disapproval of Fleetwood Mac not touring a new album, and Neil Finn and Mike Campbell come in wanting to make new music as Fleetwood Mac, but Stevie wouldn't let that happen. Mick didn't protest.

I hope she releases a solo album this year.

I don't. :sorry:

HomerMcvie

03-09-2024, 05:01 PM

I don't. :sorry:

It would suck, just like 98% of the stuff she's put out in the last 40 years.

The fact that she's a ~legend~ is kind of mind boggling. She had two great albums, OVER FORTY YEARS AGO, and has put out mostly crap since then, and people still flock to her.

mitzo

03-09-2024, 05:16 PM

UnwindedDreams

03-09-2024, 06:36 PM

You know, I don't even really care much about her setlists, since I have lost interest in her live act. Hoarse tuneless bellowing and rambling talks aren't going to draw me in. What I want is recordings. Those will be a real gift to us fans, many of whom are hanging by a thread of dwindling interest, like me. I don't see this. I see the hardcore fans going to her concerts because they don't know how many more times they will have to see her in concert.

I think her live act would interest you if she took advantage of the end of Fleetwood Mac and played Straight Back, Sara, Angel, Seven Wonders, I Don't Want To Know, When I See You Again, Affairs of the Heart, and more.

mitzo

03-09-2024, 08:30 PM

I don't see this. I see the hardcore fans going to her concerts because they don't know how many more times they will have to see her in concert.

I think her live act would interest you if she took advantage of the end of Fleetwood Mac and played Straight Back, Sara, Angel, Seven Wonders, I Don't Want To Know, When I See You Again, Affairs of the Heart, and more.

It is a significant financial and time commitment to go to a concert these days. And for those of us who do not live in the US Stevie is pretty inaccessible anyway. I don't think adding more oldies to the set would help make me more interested. Plus, she cannot sing live like she used to. New music would pull me back in.

DownOnRodeo

03-09-2024, 08:41 PM

New music would pull me back in.

Unfortunately new music would also come with new lyrics.

HomerMcvie

03-09-2024, 08:45 PM

Unfortunately new music would also come with new lyrics.

And a side of nasal drone...

Steviegirl

03-09-2024, 08:47 PM

secret love

03-10-2024, 12:52 AM

After being such a hardcore fan ever since the white album, it feels so strange to have zero interest in $tevie's new music or concerts. It's absolutely true that it's a huge investment to go to a concert these days, (and for all these years, I NEVER missed a show if it was within six hours of me), but I just don't like her anymore, and she comes across as corny and lame. I plan to see the Stones in Philly this year, The Avett Brothers with Melissa Etheridge at Red Rocks, and Dirty Heads in Virginia Beach, and none of those tickets approach the prices of $tevie's cornball snooze-fest oldies act.

I hear she's still dedicating Landslide to Christine, her "best friend in the whole world" who she hadn't talked to in three years before she passed away. I think the dedication is more about making Stevie look good than it is about honoring Christine. If Stevie really cared about what Christine thought, maybe she wouldn't have insisted on firing Lindsey.

Unfortunately new music would also come with new lyrics.

Unfortunately Stevie doesn't really write music, unless you count her piano demos (which she has never released as finished songs), so lyrics are all she has to offer - and I for one think she has written some great lyrics over the years. But she has also written a bunch of crap, like "Mabel Normand" or "When I See You Again" ("And she stares at the stairs"), so I really don't know if she releases some new songs whether they will be any good or not. But I hope she releases them anyway.

UnwindedDreams

03-10-2024, 05:52 AM

It is a significant financial and time commitment to go to a concert these days. And for those of us who do not live in the US Stevie is pretty inaccessible anyway. I don't think adding more oldies to the set would help make me more interested. Plus, she cannot sing live like she used to. New music would pull me back in.
I can't see 24 Karat Gold: Songs From The Vault being her last studio album. I think she'll have one more true album like In Your Dreams- which I think is a concept album - and not a themeless album like 24KG. But again, I would have loved to have heard more songs live from 24KG like the title track, The Dealer, Watch Chain, Hard Advice, and Mabel Normand live.

At this point, I'd be happy with a setlist like Enchanted Tour where she didn't care about playing hits.
Last night in Dallas, Soldier's Angel and Fall From Grace were not in her setlist.

BigAl84

03-10-2024, 12:44 PM

UnwindedDreams

03-10-2024, 12:54 PM

A 2024 version of the Enchanted tour setlist would be a trainwreck. She gave Gold and Braid a shot a few years ago and it was evident then that her current range could barely do it. She's struggling with Dreams right now, it's hard to imagine her pulling off Whole Lotta Trouble, Sleeping Angel, I Need To Know, and HAEWAFY very well. Heck when was the last time she did Has Anyone Ever!?
So maybe instead of those songs she does: Touched By An Angel, Rooms On Fire, Blue Denim, and Trouble in Shangri-La.

Last concert she did Has Anyone Ever was her Crystal Visions Tour in 2008. I Need To Know was last done in 2007 on the first Crystal Visions Tour. In 2010 and 2011, she did You Wreck Me by Petty.

bombaysaffires

03-10-2024, 02:33 PM

Unfortunately new music would also come with new lyrics.

:eek: :distress:

UnwindedDreams

03-10-2024, 07:07 PM

I still feel Stevie's going to get an album out before Lindsey will. I really thought Lindsey would have had his album out last year! In October 2022, he said he was going to wrap up an album.

BigAl84

03-12-2024, 02:58 PM

So maybe instead of those songs she does: Touched By An Angel, Rooms On Fire, Blue Denim, and Trouble in Shangri-La.

That will never happen. She's clearly only willing to focus on songs that were either solo or Fleetwood Mac hits. Bella Donna and Wildheart are squeezed in as a medley.

Ironically, the clip I saw of her performing New Orleans (from IYD) last week was probably the least phoned-in performance she's done in a long time.

UnwindedDreams

03-12-2024, 06:00 PM

That will never happen. She's clearly only willing to focus on songs that were either solo or Fleetwood Mac hits. Bella Donna and Wildheart are squeezed in as a medley.

Ironically, the clip I saw of her performing New Orleans (from IYD) last week was probably the least phoned-in performance she's done in a long time.
She only does the song in New Orleans now after doing it for 50 shows on the Songs From The Vault Tour.

secret love

03-13-2024, 02:25 AM

She only does the song in New Orleans now after doing it for 50 shows on the Songs From The Vault Tour.

I guess that's a nice touch, if you live in New Orleans, or just laziness, if you don't.

David

03-13-2024, 12:41 PM

The possibilities are endless. I’m pulling for a really witchy Rhiannon album with witchy art and witchy songs and witchy liner notes from Stevie and just all-around witchy whatever. Maybe a witchy movie on HBO Max starring the witchiest movie stars you can find, like Eva Green. I want 2025 to be Stevie’s Year of the Witch, and just go all-out hog-wild on the witch theme.

mitzo

03-13-2024, 04:55 PM

UnwindedDreams

03-13-2024, 07:56 PM

And I'll be crowned the King of Romania.
Stevie has been saying at the end of her shows that "we'll be back with new songs". Almost two months until her next concert. 2024 will be the great year like 2011 was for Stevie fans.

HomerMcvie

03-14-2024, 02:00 AM

Stevie has been saying at the end of her shows that "we'll be back with new songs". Almost two months until her next concert. 2024 will be the great year like 2011 was for Stevie fans.

$he's as full of $h*t as a Christmas goose.

UnwindedDreams

03-14-2024, 05:43 AM

$he's as full of $h*t as a Christmas goose.
She has let me down a lot as a fan. But since she’s going to be closer to 80 come May, I’m hoping she doesn’t let this never ending jukebox tour become her swan song.

I love The Eagles, perhaps not as much as you, but this Long Goodbye setlist is a slap in the face to the fans. I saw their Hotel California Tour and they played more songs in their post HC album setlist than this current tour. No Love Will Keep Us Alive, Long Run, Those Shoes, or Walk Away. Also they can do Ol’ 55, How Long, Busy Being Fabulous, I Don’t Want To Hear Anymore, and New York Minute! But they brought Steely Dan on tour so they only had to play 20 songs.

secret love

03-15-2024, 05:12 AM

So maybe instead of those songs she does: Touched By An Angel, Rooms On Fire, Blue Denim, and Trouble in Shangri-La.

Last concert she did Has Anyone Ever was her Crystal Visions Tour in 2008. I Need To Know was last done in 2007 on the first Crystal Visions Tour. In 2010 and 2011, she did You Wreck Me by Petty.

The last time she did Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You live was in 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXDksufxYMQ

UnwindedDreams

03-15-2024, 06:07 AM

The last time she did Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You live was in 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXDksufxYMQ
Sorry, yes that's right. I was thinking of concert tours. That 2014 performance was a private event to encourage Emmy consideration for American Horror Story. I think she did Rhiannon at that event too.

It's amazing how she considered the three ballads to close her tours with were Has Anyone, Beauty and the Beast, and Love Is but starting with the Songs From the Vault Tour that changed. She closed with Leather and Lace at the shows I saw, and then in 2022 she closed with Rock and Roll or Rhiannon!

secret love

03-15-2024, 06:21 AM

Sorry, yes that's right. I was thinking of concert tours. That 2014 performance was a private event to encourage Emmy consideration for American Horror Story. I think she did Rhiannon at that event too.

It's amazing how she considered the three ballads to close her tours with were Has Anyone, Beauty and the Beast, and Love Is but starting with the Songs From the Vault Tour that changed. She closed with Leather and Lace at the shows I saw, and then in 2022 she closed with Rock and Roll or Rhiannon!
I know people on these message boards like to make fun of Stevie's piano playing and they might make fun of me for saying this too, but I wish I could play piano as well as she does in the 2014 Has Anyone clip. I've had lessons and I can play a little bit, but the ideas I come up with for my own songs are more basic than what Stevie's playing here. Maybe it's not that she's good and just that I'm very bad!

Interesting re closing songs. I thought she was still closing with Landslide! If she's not, where in the set does Landslide sit these days? Has she put it back smack bang in the middle of the show like Fleetwood Mac used to do?

UnwindedDreams

03-15-2024, 06:40 AM

I know people on these message boards like to make fun of Stevie's piano playing and they might make fun of me for saying this too, but I wish I could play piano as well as she does in the 2014 Has Anyone clip. I've had lessons and I can play a little bit, but the ideas I come up with for my own songs are more basic than what Stevie's playing here. Maybe it's not that she's good and just that I'm very bad!

Interesting re closing songs. I thought she was still closing with Landslide! If she's not, where in the set does Landslide sit these days? Has she put it back smack bang in the middle of the show like Fleetwood Mac used to do?
Oh she is closing with Landslide. I just was talking about how she changed closing songs after the IYD Tour ended in 2012. I think she's closing with Landslide because it's the perfect song to have the video wall of Christine. I think Crystal would be a beautiful song to sing for Christine.

I don't mind Stevie's playing. I wouldn't want to hear her play it in an arena concert though:lol:

secret love

03-15-2024, 07:10 AM

Oh she is closing with Landslide. I just was talking about how she changed closing songs after the IYD Tour ended in 2012. I think she's closing with Landslide because it's the perfect song to have the video wall of Christine. I think Crystal would be a beautiful song to sing for Christine.

I don't mind Stevie's playing. I wouldn't want to hear her play it in an arena concert though:lol:

Crystal is a beautiful song, I agree that it would be appropriate. I love Landslide but not as a closer.

I was trying to think of a Christine song Stevie could sing as a tribute to her former bandmate. I don't think she could pull off Songbird - she could just sing it and her pianist could play the piano accompaniment but I don't think it would feel right.

Maybe she could have a go at singing Why. Any other ideas? I mean if Bonnie Raitt, Sheryl Crow and Mick Fleetwood can get away with doing Songbird, surely it would be okay for Stevie to sing one of Christine's songs?

SteveMacD

03-15-2024, 07:44 AM

Crystal is a beautiful song, I agree that it would be appropriate. I love Landslide but not as a closer.

I was trying to think of a Christine song Stevie could sing as a tribute to her former bandmate. I don't think she could pull off Songbird - she could just sing it and her pianist could play the piano accompaniment but I don't think it would feel right.

Maybe she could have a go at singing Why. Any other ideas? I mean if Bonnie Raitt, Sheryl Crow and Mick Fleetwood can get away with doing Songbird, surely it would be okay for Stevie to sing one of Christine's songs?

Don’t Stop.

https://youtu.be/KFHp0fYkkGY?si=ibYTscXsgFL1-JsQ