Mirage Sessions

[BLY]

I was listening to the alternative disc from the Mirage disc today. If they used the Eyes of the World and Empire States and If You Were My Love tracks this would have sounded very much like a Tusk 2. Wish You Were Here is also much edgier. Smile at You also replacing That’s Alright would have really given it a different vibe.

[Villavic]

I would have included Cool Water instead of Empire State, but with a different version, more Mac, different harmonies.

Mirage, according to Mick, was an attempt to get into the Rumours groove again, but updated. I'm not sure if they achieved that, but on the other hand I don't know if the band would agree to record a "Tusk 2" album. I don't think it would be better welcomed by people.

[jbrownsjr]

I do like that version of WYWH.

[BLY]

Mirage, according to Mick, was an attempt to get into the Rumours groove again, but updated. I'm not sure if they achieved that, but on the other hand I don't know if the band would agree to record a "Tusk 2" album. I don't think it would be better welcomed by people.


Stevie and Christine’s songs were much more like the Rumours groove but not Lindsey’s.

[WalkAThinLine.]

Stevie and Christine’s songs were much more like the Rumours groove but not Lindsey’s.

Several of Buckingham's songs on Mirage still possessed a new wave tinge. "Empire State" and "Eyes of the World" wouldn't have been out of place on Tusk.

[bwboy]

Stevie and Christine’s songs were much more like the Rumours groove but not Lindsey’s.

Interesting you should say that, because Eyes of the World sounds a lot like Second Hand News to me. But otherwise, I agree with you, because Empire State and Oh Diane have little of the quality of any of Lindsey’s songs on Rumours.

[Villavic]

Some Lindsey's songs, among final and alternative versions, reminds me the Law & Order sound.

[BLY]

Some Lindsey's songs, among final and alternative versions, reminds me the Law & Order sound.

AGREE! The songs from Law and Order and Mirage were very much the same vibe in many ways. Trouble could have been the first single off of Mirage. It would have given each singer a hit single.

[FuzzyPlum]

I’ve just noticed how short stevies contribution to mirage is. She normally has less songs than Christine and Lindsey, but the usual argument is that her songs are so long that she ends up having more disc time than the others even though she has less songs.
This is not the case for mirage. The split is LB 5, CM 4, SN 3.
However, stevies songs are pretty short by her standards. The others have the equivalent of a whole song more in terms of time.
Mirage May have been a better album had they swapped out a Lindsey song for an extra Stevie song.

[DownOnRodeo]

Mirage May have been a better album had they swapped out a Lindsey song for an extra Stevie song.

Or Mirage may have been a better album if Stevie hadn't set the precedent of splitting her material across solo and FM albums.

[WalkAThinLine.]

I’ve just noticed how short stevies contribution to mirage is. She normally has less songs than Christine and Lindsey, but the usual argument is that her songs are so long that she ends up having more disc time than the others even though she has less songs.
This is not the case for mirage. The split is LB 5, CM 4, SN 3.
However, stevies songs are pretty short by her standards. The others have the equivalent of a whole song more in terms of time.
Mirage May have been a better album had they swapped out a Lindsey song for an extra Stevie song.

Replace "Oh Diane" with either "If You Were My Love" or "Smile at You", and you have a far better album.

[Villavic]

Replace "Oh Diane" with either "If You Were My Love" or "Smile at You", and you have a far better album.

I would have replaced Empire State instead.

But it would be interesting if she had saved one of Bella Donna songs for Mirage. I'd choose Leather and Lace.

[HomerMcvie]

I would have replaced Empire State instead.

But it would be interesting if she had saved one of Bella Donna songs for Mirage. I'd choose Leather and Lace.

:mad:
I LOVE Empire State.
:mad:

[BLY]

:mad:
I LOVE Empire State.
:mad:

I also love Empire State.

[Straightback]

:mad:
I LOVE Empire State.
:mad:


I've always been a fan of Empire State as well.
If You Were My Love--then, and on 24 Karat Gold--never did anything for me, but that's me.
Smile At You, however, I agree would have been a solid contribution.

Sadly, a lot of Stevie's "demos" that were relegated to the vault because they weren't deemed worthy enough to be released commercially ended up, ironically, devolving into something far less superior when they finally ended up seeing the light of day. I wish she would just take account of what's been buried, acknowledge them as the gems they are AS THEY ARE, have them cleaned up and released properly. No more caterwauling "Songs From the Vaults" versions.

[Villavic]

:mad:
I LOVE Empire State.
:mad:

Oh I do like Empire State, but if you ask me to choose, I would keep Oh Diane in Mirage. That in the proposed scenery of adding another Stevie song.

Though I wonder if vynil records could include more time and songs in 1982 than what Mirage contains. I got the Queens Greatest Hits that year and it has 17 songs.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh I do like Empire State, but if you ask me to choose, I would keep Oh Diane in Mirage. That in the proposed scenery of adding another Stevie song.

Though I wonder if vynil records could include more time and songs in 1982 than what Mirage contains. I got the Queens Greatest Hits that year and it has 17 songs.
Empire State kicks Diane's @ss to the curb.

Facts.

[Villavic]

Empire State kicks Diane's @ss to the curb.

Facts.

Please share the evidences based in an empirical method of investigation for confirming facts and knowledge that has characterized the development of science.

[HomerMcvie]

Please share the evidences based in an empirical method of investigation for confirming facts and knowledge that has characterized the development of science.

Because I said so.

There's your science...:p

[Villavic]

Because I said so.

There's your science...:p

But.. but... Empire State may kick Oh Diane's, WTTRS's, Mozart's Requiem's and JLO's asses, but I like Oh Diane better.

[jbrownsjr]

:mad:
I LOVE Empire State.
:mad:

Also love Empire State

[HomerMcvie]

But.. but... Empire State may kick Oh Diane's, WTTRS's, Mozart's Requiem's and JLO's asses, but I like Oh Diane better.

Well, there's no accounting for taste.

[FuzzyPlum]

In the wider scheme of things....they both suck

[FuzzyPlum]

....and I have great taste!!!!

[jbrownsjr]

....and I have great taste!!!!

Has anyone tasted you on TL? :angel::]:rolleyes:

[HomerMcvie]

Has anyone tasted you on TL? :angel::]:rolleyes:

Whipped cream and a lot of booze makes anything more palatable.

[jbrownsjr]

Whipped cream and a lot of booze makes anything more palatable.

And cocaine!

[HomerMcvie]

And cocaine!

My nickname is Hoover.

[FuzzyPlum]

Has anyone tasted you on TL? :angel::]:rolleyes:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Not that I’m aware of…..but who knows. Maybe????

My jam….tastes the sweetest to me….
…..ummmm????!!!!!????? :eek:

[jbrownsjr]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Not that I’m aware of…..but who knows. Maybe????

My jam….tastes the sweetest to me….
…..ummmm????!!!!!????? :eek:

It's like freedom in your mouth. Or as she says "magic in your finger tips!"

[moon]

Hey hey! I love every song, even Empire State!
There's a time here in summer (summer in the south of the world), when I hear Mirage without a rest, and the only songs I add to the original album tracklist are Blue Monday, Teen Beat, Goodbye Angel and If You Were My Love (the Sparkly Piano version). It's definitely the perfect album!

[Villavic]

Hey hey! I love every song, even Empire State!
There's a time here in summer (summer in the south of the world),

Yes! It's so cool New Year's Eve in summer! I like to listen Eyes of the World while driving on the highway to the beach on New Year's morning.

[jbrownsjr]

Yes! It's so cool New Year's Eve in summer! I like to listen Eyes of the World while driving on the highway to the beach on New Year's morning.

What are the temps where you are on New Year's Eve?

[David]

Yep, the alternative stuff seems a lot edgier in the way it’s played. I bet Lindsey started out with trying to put more Law and Order energy into all the tracks, but the band reined him back. Could explain why he was never excited at all about doing the short tour in 1982 — he had been declawed.

He isn’t always right, certainly, but he was right with Mirage. It needed a lot more ferociousness. The tracks were too palatable and too cheesecakey and the critics called it out. Great craft on the album, but way too sugary.

[Macfan4life]

Yep, the alternative stuff seems a lot edgier in the way it’s played. I bet Lindsey started out with trying to put more Law and Order energy into all the tracks, but the band reined him back. Could explain why he was never excited at all about doing the short tour in 1982 — he had been declawed.

He isn’t always right, certainly, but he was right with Mirage. It needed a lot more ferociousness. The tracks were too palatable and too cheesecakey and the critics called it out. Great craft on the album, but way too sugary.
Totally! It was an over reaction to Tusk.

[aleuzzi]

Yep, the alternative stuff seems a lot edgier in the way it’s played. I bet Lindsey started out with trying to put more Law and Order energy into all the tracks, but the band reined him back. Could explain why he was never excited at all about doing the short tour in 1982 — he had been declawed.

He isn’t always right, certainly, but he was right with Mirage. It needed a lot more ferociousness. The tracks were too palatable and too cheesecakey and the critics called it out. Great craft on the album, but way too sugary.

The three US hits are classics that crystallize the best in FM’s radio-friendly approach. All are “up,” poppy, and airy...with a warmth you don’t hear on the Tango hits.

Beyond those three songs, a pervasive sense of containment flattens the overall experience. Even the more aggressive songs (Empire State, Eyes of the World) beg for a bit more spontaneity, more edge.

The deluxe, alternate version of Only Over You would have improved side one.

[Villavic]

The three US hits are classics that crystallize the best in FM’s radio-friendly approach. All are “up,” poppy, and airy...with a warmth you don’t hear on the Tango hits.



Well I felt warmth in Everywhere.

[jbrownsjr]

Well I felt warmth in Everywhere.

And Cool Water is from Mirage.

[aleuzzi]

Well I felt warmth in Everywhere.

Yeah, it’s the most FM-y track on the record. Have you ever heard the demo? It’s gorgeous—and warmer.

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah, it’s the most FM-y track on the record. Have you ever heard the demo? It’s gorgeous—and warmer.

I just heard it!! Here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=TIn-pUYMBg4&fbclid=IwAR3Hu-SnF-4-cRwEvWbVZrJTNVwtGPy3LskDixz-mVw-63o3f4xUFshNVSQ

[Macfan4life]

Well I felt warmth in Everywhere.
Tango is very programmed synth pop. Mirage is still using real pianos, keyboards, drums and bass. The sterile programming of many of the Tango songs leaves me empty and cold. While Mirage is very poppy too, its warmer in that its real instruments and no trendy trickery. Everywhere is much warmer live and that is because its more upbeat and less programmed than the studio track. Lindsey really loved the gadgetry of the mid 80s. Tango is very synthetic while Mirage is organic.

[HomerMcvie]

And Cool Water is from Mirage.

The Pizza Hut in Bloomington, IN had Gypsy on a 45 in the jukebox. I'd play Cool Water, and everyone would be like, WHO TF is that? It's not a very FM sounding recording.

[aleuzzi]

The Pizza Hut in Bloomington, IN had Gypsy on a 45 in the jukebox. I'd play Cool Water, and everyone would be like, WHO TF is that? It's not a very FM sounding recording.

Some of the non-hits and outtakes would surprise a lot of hits-only listeners. I don’t think most casual “fans” would guess Empire State was FM, or any number of Lindsey’s Tusk songs. The ladies are more recognizable, even when they stretch their styles a bit.

[jbrownsjr]

The Pizza Hut in Bloomington, IN had Gypsy on a 45 in the jukebox. I'd play Cool Water, and everyone would be like, WHO TF is that? It's not a very FM sounding recording.

I'm not sure I'd recognize COOL WATER haha

[bombaysaffires]

I'm not sure I'd recognize COOL WATER haha

My mother surely recognized it, and was like, "who is covering this?" when I played it as one of their B sides.

[jbrownsjr]

My mother surely recognized it, and was like, "who is covering this?" when I played it as one of their B sides.

The song, yes. Just wouldn't know who was covering it. Just like mother! haha