What Has Rock And Roll Ever Done For You

[JeremyGloff]

And the first clips of the Dolly version of Stevie's old demo are coming out:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzjnTPROcNu/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I mean, this wasn't ever one of my favorite demos - I guess it was destined to find its home on Dolly Parton's rock album in 2023 :P

The track list and collaborations are rather interested - my interest is up.

Remember the interview where Stevie was knocking Fleetwood Mac for not using "What Has Rock And Roll" on Tango because they always like her slow songs. (She used a different word I can't recall...) LOL.

So who would swap out "What Has Rock And Roll Ever Done For You" for whassammatha baby?

[vivfox]

I 100% love it! They did a great job together.

[Macfan4life]

I can see why Lindsey passed this song up. Its the most arrogant song ever. It must have been written just after she put 5 lines up her nose and written during her peak cocaine addiction. Stevie does not usually write such arrogant songs.
I've heard the beginning of the song and both of them banter back and forth who is going to start and then Dolly says......Stand Back and then Stevie cackles.
I dont think the song fits Dolly but she's going overboard dressing up in leather with this rock album. I would have much preferred her to sing Bella Donna or I sing for the things or even Nothing Ever Changes.

[UnwindedDreams]

I 100% love it! They did a great job together.
I love the singing. In the banter before they sing, Dolly sounds so sweet but Stevie's speak shouting sounds like a smoker!

I wonder how much Stevie got paid for the song and her participation.

[Steviegirl]

]I can see why Lindsey passed this song up. Its the most arrogant song ever. It must have been written just after she put 5 lines up her nose and written during her peak cocaine addiction. Stevie does not usually write such arrogant songs. [/B]
I've heard the beginning of the song and both of them banter back and forth who is going to start and then Dolly says......Stand Back and then Stevie cackles.
I dont think the song fits Dolly but she's going overboard dressing up in leather with this rock album. I would have much preferred her to sing Bella Donna or I sing for the things or even Nothing Ever Changes.

Lord. I agree. There is something cringey about this recording. I've always loved Dolly and used to adore $tevie pre-2018. I've heard the demo and never loved it, but I don't remember it being this weird and embarrassing. I was thinking about a song like "Garbo" and how pretty and elegant it is contrasted with yelling about being so rich you can swill champagne. Le sigh.

[Macfan4life]

Lord. I agree. There is something cringey about this recording. I've always loved Dolly and used to adore $tevie pre-2018. I've heard the demo and never loved it, but I don't remember it being this weird and embarrassing. I was thinking about a song like "Garbo" and how pretty and elegant it is contrasted with yelling about being so rich you can swill champagne. Le sigh.
Answer the question!

[bombaysaffires]

Stevie post 1976 or so has ALWAYS been more about the fame than the art. ALWAYS.

I want to put a big chunk of blame on Henley. She's said he "taught me how to be a rock star". Aided and abetted likely by Irving et al. "You must demand the presidential suite" "You must demand a piano in your hotel room" "You can demand the room be painted pink" "You should demand your own limo, after all, you're the REAL star in the band" etc etc etc. She is inclined to love that sort of crap and put real value on it.... way more than the others, though I suspect Mick comes closest. I think they all fell into that for a while when Rumours and all hit, but they wised up and saw it for what it was after a few years. She still lives in it.

This song epitomizes it.

[David]

She is inclined to love that sort of crap and put real value on it.... way more than the others, though I suspect Mick comes closest.
I agree with these insights. And I think this quality in her — which has affected (or infected) even her musical taste — is a lot of the cause for the dissension between her and Lindsey. (Not that he doesn’t enjoy the good life, but it consumes her and drags down so much of what she does as an artist these days.)

And this song, oy Gott. It is the most undistinguished, tuneless, hookless little horror you can imagine that ever came out of the posturing 80s. It’s totally undistinguished on every level. It’s worse than the band Ratt. What is it? Stevie with grit? With street smarts? Yeah, right. She’s about as believable as Olivia Newton John with attitude.

She and Dolly should have updated “Angel” or “Gold Dust Woman” into an edgy alternative rocker. I would even have settled for a new “Listen to the Rain.” At least that song isn’t anywhere near as dumb.

[Villavic]

Stevie post 1976 or so has ALWAYS been more about the fame than the art. ALWAYS.

I want to put a big chunk of blame on Henley. She's said he "taught me how to be a rock star". Aided and abetted likely by Irving et al. "You must demand the presidential suite" "You must demand a piano in your hotel room" "You can demand the room be painted pink" "You should demand your own limo, after all, you're the REAL star in the band" etc etc etc.
.

Interesting. When did she say that? I mean, is there an article or video where she told that? Please share!

[UnwindedDreams]

I agree with these insights. And I think this quality in her — which has affected (or infected) even her musical taste — is a lot of the cause for the dissension between her and Lindsey. (Not that he doesn’t enjoy the good life, but it consumes her and drags down so much of what she does as an artist these days.)

And this song, oy Gott. It is the most undistinguished, tuneless, hookless little horror you can imagine that ever came out of the posturing 80s. It’s totally undistinguished on every level. It’s worse than the band Ratt. What is it? Stevie with grit? With street smarts? Yeah, right. She’s about as believable as Olivia Newton John with attitude.

She and Dolly should have updated “Angel” or “Gold Dust Woman” into an edgy alternative rocker. I would even have settled for a new “Listen to the Rain.” At least that song isn’t anywhere near as dumb. Reverend David… any song is better than one that just drops Phantom of the Opera as a lyric.

[Villavic]

Reverend David… any song is better than one that just drops Phantom of the Opera as a lyric.

Please don't mess with Phantom of the Opera.

[BigAl84]

Well, I guess we have yet another addition to the garbage heap of duets she's done over the past 10 years...

We've got the Barbie, the bad duets...will there be a Stevie Nicks line of jewelry and clothing on QVC next year?

[HomerMcvie]

Well, I guess we have yet another addition to the garbage heap of duets she's done over the past 10 years...

We've got the Barbie, the bad duets...will there be a Stevie Nicks line of jewelry and clothing on QVC next year?

$he went to the Mick Fleetwood "I'll Do Anything For a Buck" school. I'm surprised $he hasn't auctioned off her panties, like Mick did with Biddy's.:laugh:

[Steviegirl]

[QUOTE= It’s worse than the band Ratt.

1. This is the funniest thing ever. :laugh:
B. It is true.
3. I'm going to start saying this about everything that is horrible. :laugh:

[Macfan4life]

Reverend David… any song is better than one that just drops Phantom of the Opera as a lyric.
No
No
No
There's no beauty and the beast here

[BLY]

I was never a big fan of the demo of the song but I do like the clip of this duet. It sounds like they had a good time recording it. For two 70+ year olds….I will take it. I’m looking forward to getting the 2CD set next week.

[Macfan4life]

The song is so mid-80s with all its excesses. I can picture a music video of Stevie almost in the TV show Dynasty snorting coke every 5 minutes. Believe it or not I dont think the music track is that bad for a demo. I much prefer it to When I see you again. But that's not saying much. The most annoying part of the song is that annoying cat call that routinely makes an appearance in the song. It reminds me of that Mister Microphone commercial from the late 70s. "Hey good looking well be back to pick you up later"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIrzkPDtrk

[vivfox]

She and Dolly should have updated “Angel” or “Gold Dust Woman” into an edgy alternative rocker. I would even have settled for a new “Listen to the Rain.” At least that song isn’t anywhere near as dumb.

This makes me so sad. I had myself convinced you were going to love this song David. I have the entire song and it is outstanding. I really love it. I have had the demo since the early 1990's and have always enjoyed it and this new version is wonderful. I love what they did with it. Now I have both versions of the songs to enjoy for the rest of my life.

[UnwindedDreams]

This makes me so sad. I had myself convinced you were going to love this song David. I have the entire song and it is outstanding. I really love it. I have had the demo since the early 1990's and have always enjoyed it and this new version is wonderful. I love what they did with it. Now I have both versions of the songs to enjoy for the rest of my life.
How do you have the duet with Dolly if it doesn’t come out for four more days????

[SteveMacD]

I would have loved “After the Glitter Fades.”

Well I never thought I’d make here to Dollywood…

[HomerMcvie]

I would have loved “After the Glitter Fades.”

Well I never thought I’d make here to Dollywood…

I almost spit out my beer on that one!

[BLY]

I almost spit out my beer on that one!

Yes, that was a good one!

[HomerMcvie]

Yes, that was a good one!

I agree. That beer was tasty!

[UnwindedDreams]

I almost spit out my beer on that one!
In H/Dollywood not To H/Dollywood!

I can't believe someone has this new song in their possession before the release date... Internet Piracy!

Are you getting Dolly's album? A lot of talent on it: other than $. Nicks

[SteveMacD]

In H/Dollywood not To H/Dollywood

Wouldn’t make sense for Dolly to say she never thought she’d make it IN a theme park she owns. However, it makes total sense for her to be in awe that her career got to the point where she owns a theme park.

[UnwindedDreams]

Wouldn’t make sense for Dolly to say she never thought she’d make it IN a theme park she owns. However, it makes total sense for her to be in awe that her career got to the point where she owns a theme park.
I got you. I had Stevie singing the first verse. Of course it’s all joking but I’d hate if Stevie made Glitter Fades into a song that mentions Dollywood! Just like dropping Phantom of the Opera as a lyric in Listen To the Rain!

[gjack5404]

Of all places, I found and got copy of Rockstar at
Dollar General! I was shocked, I am personally digging
their duet!

[gjack5404]

Here are a few photos from Rockstar. Nothing else inside that includes Stevie.

[UnwindedDreams]

Of all places, I found and got copy of Rockstar at
Dollar General! I was shocked, I am personally digging
their duet!
Well bless Florida! How the heck did a Dollar General get that album! Enjoy it!

[Tusky]

I would have loved “After the Glitter Fades.”

Well I never thought I’d make here to Dollywood…

Yes she wrote it with Dolly in mind too
https://stevienicks.info/music/stevie-nicks-bella-donna-1981/after-the-glitter-fades/

[HomerMcvie]

Well bless Florida! How the heck did a Dollar General get that album! Enjoy it!

Dollar General headquarters are based in Nashville. Maybe that's part of it?

[bombaysaffires]

Here are a few photos from Rockstar. Nothing else inside that includes Stevie.

good lawd those lyrics look ten times even more insipid printed out....

those are egotistical, or as she put it "conceited", drugged up fame whore Stevie lyrics....not "poet" Stevie....:distress:

[UnwindedDreams]

I wished I lived in Florida so I could get this darn song! Everybody's getting it early! I like the sound

[David]

This makes me so sad. I had myself convinced you were going to love this song David.

I’ll probably learn to “love” it the more I hear it. I have yet to hear the entire track. I have to wait until it gets to Spotify.

[UnwindedDreams]

I’ll probably learn to “love” it the more I hear it. I have yet to hear the entire track. I have to wait until it gets to Spotify.
It’ll likely be on YouTube at 9pm Pacific tonight. Sweet Girl would have been a good duet with Dolly but I think it was surprising that Stevie gave Dolly a demo.

[SteveMacD]

Hooo boy.

Heard this at Waffle House.

Hooo boy.

That was…something.

[jmn3]

Just listened on Spotify. I dunno, it’s corny enough to work for this type of album from Dolly. It isn’t the worst thing I’ve ever heard but I’m not sure I’d ever put this on a playlist for any reason at all. It still sounds like a demo in that the lyrics seem like they’re waiting to be finished. The chorus just…”what has rock and roll ever done for you…….you too!” Like, this is the best you could come up with?

At least Stevie not only got a “welll” in but it’s a “well well!”

[sue]

I don’t dislike it…two old girls ripping it up…..sort of.
I think the lyrics are funny, tongue in cheek.
And I wish Stevie would get her adenoids seen to or at least blow her nose.

[JeremyGloff]

Just listened and damn I love it the same way I love Stevie's two foot high hair in the Red Rocks video. I can't remember the last time we got a campy Stevie like this that was enjoyable.

Never one of my favorite demos - but if there was ever a place it should have landed it was on this Dolly album. It works for me because they approached it from a camp angle - singing this one straight never could work.

The way Stevie says "everything" is that same dead pan 80s Red Rocks "you fill the room with the wind the rain and the water". I'm not sure Stevie had the self-awareness to know when she was being camp in the 80s but I think some of that excess and ridiculousness from 85/86 hooked me in as much as some of the great songwriting from 1981.

Not sure I'll play the Stevie/Dolly duet a million times but my verdict is - I'm glad this little song found its home in the pink rhinestone studded walls of a campy Dolly Parton rock album. I'm here for it!

[BigAl84]

Well...it's probably the best studio vocal she's done in I don't even know how long. A very long time.

But the rest is barf city.

[sleepless child]

I just listened and you know what? I love it. This is the perfect place for this song. She and Dolly sound good together. It puts a smile on my face.

[bombaysaffires]

Hooo boy.

Heard this at Waffle House.

Hooo boy.

That was…something.

Well...it's probably the best studio vocal she's done in I don't even know how long. A very long time.

But the rest is barf city.

I listened to it yesterday, but decided to wait and see how many people came on here drooling over this turd.

I'm with Steve and Al... this song is vomit.

Actually, even calling it a "song" is a generous stretch. It's at best a "ditty".

It is completely unfinished, certainly lyrically. It's like a little quick note of an idea that you would maybe just jot down and come back to later to work on and try and make into a song. It is just NOT a song. I've heard the old demo but not the songwriting demo ie the one where she plonks with two fingers on the piano... god knows what that sounded like, but the music on the demo and on this recording are not her work; it's clearly whatever the musicians/producer she was working with at the time could come up with to salvage it.

Speaking of which, I have no idea why she insists on sticking so slavishly to old ****ty demos. I get it for an album like 24k gold... the whole point of that was to put out exact replicas of old demos because the demos were already out in the world but the originals were such low quality they had to be re-done. But this???

Maybe they should have let a producer bring something new and original to it. And why they let it drone on for over a FULL FIVE MINUTES is mind-boggling. 3 minutes, tops.

The lyrics are practically non-existent. One small string of words repeated over and over and over... and the words are just...stupid.

"Self made woman self made man"
"Answer the question"
"What has rock and roll ever done for you"
"Give me some more champagne"

I will never understand why she pronounces the word "profession" the way she does...sort of rushed... rather than breaking it down into its syllables, so that it would highlight the rhyme with 'question'.

Poor Dolly. Poor, poor Dolly...a songwriter who continues to produce real art and actually craft actual songs

As for Stevie's vocal, she's artificially tweaked to within an inch of her life. Listen to the dialogue with Dolly at the end of the song.... I had to listen multiple times to realize the second comment is actually Stevie... her speaking voice there sounds almost the same as Dolly's, thin and high-pitched. Then I realized they left the automated tuning on her speaking as well.

[HomerMcvie]

Maybe they should have let a producer bring something new and original to it. And why they let it drone on for over a FULL FIVE MINUTES is mind-boggling. 3 minutes, tops.

Poor Dolly. Poor, poor Dolly...a songwriter who continues to produce real art and actually craft actual songs

Because if you shorten her songs, SHE'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPY! :p

THIS. $tevie is just an oldies act now, with zero relevance(the opposite of Dolly). No song ideas left. No voice left. Just clinging to what attention she can still get. It's sad, actually.

[BigAl84]

She sticks to her demos because it's been an ongoing theme for decades that she often claims loving her demos more than the finished product. She gets the "warm and fuzzies" when she listens to her own demos because ITS ALL ABOUT HER. It's her singing, it's her attempted piano playing etc.

Take that attitude and combine it with her bloated I'm a legend ego and she's 100% convinced that all of her demos are little masterpieces and nobody is going to tell her to change a single thing because she's Stevie Nicks after all.

[BigAl84]

This whole Dolly project reminds me of when Pat Boone had his leather pants phase in his late 70s LOLOL...

It might be a fun track, but it's truly late career vegas-y garbage that I would have never expected from her if you would have asked me 15 years ago.

There's no reason for her to be embarrassed about her 80's output if she's ok with this! Somebody send Lori and Sharon back to the UHAUL storage for the coke and mirror cassette collection.

[bombaysaffires]

This whole Dolly project reminds me of when Pat Boone had his leather pants phase in his late 70s LOLOL...

It might be a fun track, but it's truly late career vegas-y garbage that I would have never expected from her if you would have asked me 15 years ago.

There's no reason for her to be embarrassed about her 80's output if she's ok with this! Somebody send Lori and Sharon back to the UHAUL storage for the coke and mirror cassette collection.

I think she's always been susceptible to cheesy though. There's an interview where (I think it's when FM got back together, and Stevie is sitting on a road case, and LB kisses her head... but maybe someone can remember better) and they are talking about BN days and some joke about playing low level steakhouses and how Lindsey was the one to say "uh, no we won't do that" and Stevie says "and his girlfriend would have gladly done that". I think she would do anything if it meant getting attention or getting a good paycheck without regard for artistic integrity.:eek:

[In Your Dreams]

Some press for the song:


Does it get any cooler than Dolly Parton and Stevie Nicks on the same track? Nope, and it doesn’t get more fun either, judging by the intro and outro of this one, which find the two living legends quibbling about who’s going to take the first verse, and then laughing about guzzling champagne. “He said, what has rock ’n’ roll ever done for me? / I said everything,” they sing on this bluesy romp, which Nicks originally wrote for Fleetwood Mac about an affair she once had with someone “famous and rich” in the rock scene. The band rejected it, but their loss is Parton’s (and our) gain.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-dolly-parton-rockstar-songs-that-rock-the-hardest

I do kind of dig the into and outro because it’s definitely different hearing Stevie riff with Dolly and keeping up with the campiness. Her “acting” in the past has been generic but she plays it well here.

[bombaysaffires]

I think if the song was a good actual 'song' there'd be no need for the talking intro and outro:shrug:

btw, per Dolly interview Stevie said she wanted to do this song because it like honors the other rocker she was doing at the time.... Do we know who it was? Henley? Joe? Tom? Waddy? Mick? :shrug:

[In Your Dreams]

I think if the song was a good actual 'song' there'd be no need for the talking intro and outro:shrug:

btw, per Dolly interview Stevie said she wanted to do this song because it like honors the other rocker she was doing at the time.... Do we know who it was? Henley? Joe? Tom? Waddy? Mick? :shrug:


I haven’t heard the album yet but based on the article there is an intro with Joan Jett for I Hate Myself For Loving You and on another a new song Rockstar. IHMFLY is and has always been a banger of a song.

[GypsySorcerer]

Yeah. This "song" is still completely unfinished and the lyrics are nonsense. (It's an example of Stevie being in love with the song title, but then she doesn't write anything cohesive around it.)

On the plus side, they seemed to be having fun. I enjoyed hearing their banter.

[BLY]

Yeah. This "song" is still completely unfinished and the lyrics are nonsense. (It's an example of Stevie being in love with the song title, but then she doesn't write anything cohesive around it.)

On the plus side, they seemed to be having fun. I enjoyed hearing their banter.


It’s a fun/ good Dolly Parton disc. This was the perfect Stevie Nicks contribution. It fits in perfectly with the vibe of this collection of songs. It would never had made it on a Fleetwood Mac album and obviously not even on a Stevie solo album. Great call Stevie!

[blinker12]

It made me smile. I doubt I’ll ever feel the need to listen to it again.

[SteveMacD]

I think she's always been susceptible to cheesy though. There's an interview where (I think it's when FM got back together, and Stevie is sitting on a road case, and LB kisses her head... but maybe someone can remember better) and they are talking about BN days and some joke about playing low level steakhouses and how Lindsey was the one to say "uh, no we won't do that" and Stevie says "and his girlfriend would have gladly done that". I think she would do anything if it meant getting attention or getting a good paycheck without regard for artistic integrity.:eek:

I’d do it just for the steak.

[Villavic]

Ok I listened this song and I do like it. But that's it, I mean it´s not big deal to me. I didn't find any arrogant nor cringey in the lyrics, it was just fun I guess, but if someone explain to me the context, maybe I'll see better the big picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54grdlWeWGY


What I didn't like was Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me. Maybe cause the Elton live versions with George Michael are far better and touching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfCxaV5g4V4

[mitzo]

Great fun. The song is junk but they tore into it and made it...fun!

[bombaysaffires]

Great fun. The song is junk but they tore into it and made it...fun!

Agree. And I think Dolly clearly sees it for exactly what it is. Her polite words were "cute little song". It's really Stevie who would be the one to think it's her latest masterpiece (better than the Kennedys carrying her dress across the carpet and all that.....):laugh: And that's the eye-rolling part. It's a half-a$$ed throwaway (which is why it sat in the discards bin all these years), which is fine if you know that's what it is (which is everyone but Stevie). If Stevie had bothered to put any effort into it all these years it could have been an interesting take on r&r.

[WatchChain]

The whole concept of the "Rockstar" album is cheese-whiz and gimmicky for an artist with a respected catalog like Dolly Parton.

In the twilight of her career, Dolly Parton could have chosen to make an artistic statement in the vein of what Rick Rubin did with Johnny Cash's "American Recordings" and his Grammy winning "Hurt". Jack White's mind-blowing work on Loretta Lynn's "Van Lear Rose" also comes to mind.

Instead, Dolly has opted for a generic album full of badly produced cover songs. I'm not sure why, she certainly doesn't need the money.

[tothegypsy]

The whole concept of the "Rockstar" album is cheese-whiz and gimmicky for an artist with a respected catalog like Dolly Parton.

In the twilight of her career, Dolly Parton could have chosen to make an artistic statement in the vein of what Rick Rubin did with Johnny Cash's "American Recordings" and his Grammy winning "Hurt". Jack White's mind-blowing work on Loretta Lynn's "Van Lear Rose" also comes to mind.

Instead, Dolly has opted for a generic album full of badly produced cover songs. I'm not sure why, she certainly doesn't need the money.

Dolly releases new material fairly regularly, so while this might not be your cup of tea, that doesn't mean the type of album you'd prefer will never happen.

[BombaySapphire3]

The whole concept of the "Rockstar" album is cheese-whiz and gimmicky for an artist with a respected catalog like Dolly Parton.

In the twilight of her career, Dolly Parton could have chosen to make an artistic statement in the vein of what Rick Rubin did with Johnny Cash's "American Recordings" and his Grammy winning "Hurt". Jack White's mind-blowing work on Loretta Lynn's "Van Lear Rose" also comes to mind.

Instead, Dolly has opted for a generic album full of badly produced cover songs. I'm not sure why, she certainly doesn't need the money.

or the two great Americana albums Tanya Tucker has done with Brandi and Shooter Jennings even the new one Shooter's mom Jessi Colter just did with Margo Price. Dolly should have pared the album down to a single disc. The one with Stevie would be one of the first to go.

[WatchChain]

or the two great Americana albums Tanya Tucker has done with Brandi and Shooter Jennings even the new one Shooter's mom Jessi Colter just did with Margo Price.

Exactly! I wholeheartedly agree. Brandi Carlile and Shooter Jennings' production work on Tanya Tucker's brilliant, critically acclaimed "While I'm Living" was phenomenal. In fact, when Brandi decided to take Tucker's music in an Americana direction, the first person she called was producer Rick Rubin to consult with him on the process for Cash's "American Recordings: The Man Comes Around". Clearly, Brandi Carlile has good taste in music production.

Parton is a brilliant songwriter with a rich and multi-layered catalog worthy of the same production and career shift. In the interest of good taste, it would have been a wise move.

Instead, she's gone the direction of cheap karaoke and shallow gimmicks with the unmitigated disaster that is "Rockstar".

[soul_drifter333]

Dolly has already done that years ago. She released 3 stellar bluegrass albums in a row. One of the albums has a bluegrass version of Stairway to Heaven, which sounds like a nightmare, but is actually quite good. She also has the Trio albums with minimum production that are quite nice.

You're right though, the Rick Rubin produced Johnny Cash albums are his finest. And I purposely have not heard anything from RockStar yet because the thought of it sounds horrible. Not only do I feel she is too old to do a rock album, but I'm afraid most of the singers on it are not in the best shape vocally. Not to mention that most of the songs that she is covering are classic and I don't see how she could do them justice much less improve them. I'm sure I'll eventually get it, but I can't imagine listening to it more than a time or two. I think that Dolly realizes that she has nothing to prove at this point. I have to give her credit she has some big names on RockStar and she has been promoting it for months. There is even a limited showing of a promotional film in theaters to promote the album.


The whole concept of the "Rockstar" album is cheese-whiz and gimmicky for an artist with a respected catalog like Dolly Parton.

In the twilight of her career, Dolly Parton could have chosen to make an artistic statement in the vein of what Rick Rubin did with Johnny Cash's "American Recordings" and his Grammy winning "Hurt". Jack White's mind-blowing work on Loretta Lynn's "Van Lear Rose" also comes to mind.

Instead, Dolly has opted for a generic album full of badly produced cover songs. I'm not sure why, she certainly doesn't need the money.

[SteveMacD]

I think Dolly wanted something intentionally silly because, if we’re being honest, even she thinks it’s ridiculous she was inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame. This album comes off as being part of a bigger gag, and it’s Dolly, so if it’s gonna be ridiculous, it’s gonna be RIDICULOUS!

[sue]

So what’s stopping Stevie doing a similar less cheesy Album.
No songs from the bloomin vault to be included.

[jbrownsjr]

Yikes.... :shocked:

[Jondalar]

This song is soo cheesy but the production is stellar.

[In Your Dreams]

So what’s stopping Stevie doing a similar less cheesy Album.
No songs from the bloomin vault to be included.

She’s already started- Free Falling, Crash, For What It’s Worth, Just Like A Woman…;)

[UnwindedDreams]

She’s already started- Free Falling, Crash, For What It’s Worth, Just Like A Woman…;)
And Stevie isn’t nominated for the Songwriter’s Hall of Fame this year. There are plenty of artists who are in both halls too.

[sleepless child]

I thought Stevie was already in the songwriters hall of fame

[UnwindedDreams]

I thought Stevie was already in the songwriters hall of fame
No, I would have thought so to. She went in 2012 to perform for Bette Midler (who doesn't write songs to my knowledge).

She also hasn't received the Kennedy Center Honors.

[bombaysaffires]

No, I would have thought so to. She went in 2012 to perform for Bette Midler (who doesn't write songs to my knowledge).

She also hasn't received the Kennedy Center Honors.

what the heck did she sing for Bette??

[UnwindedDreams]

what the heck did she sing for Bette??
She sang The Rose beautifully. It’s interesting how Stevie can sell so many tickets but her solo work hasn’t won Grammys, it took 13 years after her eligibility to be inducted into the Rock Hall (also a shame for Tina as well that it took way too long), her 2 solo albums in the Glee, AHS, and Twitter era didn’t debut at #1, and she’s not in the Songwriter Hall when it seems she’s proudest to be a singer-songwriter.

[bombaysaffires]

She sang The Rose beautifully. It’s interesting how Stevie can sell so many tickets but her solo work hasn’t won Grammys, it took 13 years after her eligibility to be inducted into the Rock Hall (also a shame for Tina as well that it took way too long), her 2 solo albums in the Glee, AHS, and Twitter era didn’t debut at #1, and she’s not in the Songwriter Hall when it seems she’s proudest to be a singer-songwriter.

I think that was true in the beginning and maybe thru Rumours or Tusk. Then possibly Bella Donna.... but even by then, really after Rumours, she became proudest about being a ROCK STAR. She really, really let the songwriter part go down the toilet from the 80s onward, and it honestly has not come back nearly as well. I may be one of the few who really liked TISL, not least because it was a decent batch of new songs from her which hadn't happened in a long time.

But truthfully, as for songwriting, she's been resting on her 1970s laurels for a long, long looooooong time now, and quite possibly some of those are in truth collaborations by partners who didn't insist on credit at the time.

[UnwindedDreams]

But truthfully, as for songwriting, she's been resting on her 1970s laurels for a long, long looooooong time now, and quite possibly some of those are in truth collaborations by partners who didn't insist on credit at the time.
It's interesting Sheryl Crow and Lady Gaga have mostly co-writes for her most famous songs. Did Stevie wholly write the music for her most famous songs without help?

[Jondalar]

It's interesting Sheryl Crow and Lady Gaga have mostly co-writes for her most famous songs. Did Stevie wholly write the music for her most famous songs without help?

What happened to Sheryl Crow? I'm not sure really has stood the test of time and can really draw a crowd. She was most decorated female rocker of the 90s and I like a lot of her albums, but she has totally faded. No one talks about her.

[AnthonyMI]

What happened to Sheryl Crow? I'm not sure really has stood the test of time and can really draw a crowd. She was most decorated female rocker of the 90s and I like a lot of her albums, but she has totally faded. No one talks about her.

She went all woke and obnoxious and basically told 1/2 her fan base that she doesn't want their money. Had her first 4 or 5 albums. I wrote her off years ago. Go woke. Go broke. It's true.

[vivfox]

What happened to Sheryl Crow?

She was just inducted to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.

[vivfox]

It’s interesting how Stevie can sell so many tickets but her solo work hasn’t won Grammys

She's won around 13(not sure of the exact amount) Grammy's but they've all been off camera.

[UnwindedDreams]

She was just inducted to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.
She played the game. Showed up to perform at the ceremonies, inducted FM and Pat Benatar. Meanwhile k.d. lang, Salt-N-Pepa , Emmylou Harris, Melissa Etheridge, and PJ Harvey get nothing from the Rock Hall.

[UnwindedDreams]

She's won around 13(not sure of the exact amount) Grammy's but they've all been off camera.
Sheryl has more Grammys than Stevie. Stevie’s been nominated but has 2 from Fleetwood Mac.

[HomerMcvie]

Sheryl has more Grammys than Stevie. Stevie’s been nominated but has 2 from Fleetwood Mac.

But $tevie $ay$ that $he's a LEGEND!!!!!! WTF???:laugh:

[UnwindedDreams]

But $tevie $ay$ that $he's a LEGEND!!!!!! WTF???:laugh:
I believe $tevie had a lot of pull in getting Sheryl in. $tevie should have done the right thing and pushed for Melissa Etheridge. Melissa opened the door for Sheryl Crow and Alanis.

[SteveMacD]

Melissa opened the door for Sheryl Crow and Alanis.

Huh? How so?

[Jondalar]

She went all woke and obnoxious and basically told 1/2 her fan base that she doesn't want their money. Had her first 4 or 5 albums. I wrote her off years ago. Go woke. Go broke. It's true.

That is true. I loved her album Detours, but she did a lot of moralizing and we don't need anymore preachy people. Some of the lyrics really annoyed me. I kept thinking what she is trying to prove?

I knew after she made that album that she had been indoctrinated. It's soo sad.

[Jondalar]

She's won around 13(not sure of the exact amount) Grammy's but they've all been off camera.


What does a grammy mean or being inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Pretty much nothing if regular people don't remember you and you can't sell tickets.

[SteveMacD]

Has Sheryl even toured recently?

If she’s having trouble selling tickets, it’s because she took extended time off to raise children. Taking extended time off also hurt Lindsey and Christine with concert ticket sales.

[HomerMcvie]

Has Sheryl even toured recently?

If she’s having trouble selling tickets, it’s because she took extended time off to raise children. Taking extended time off also hurt Lindsey and Christine with concert ticket sales.

With no offense to my favorite two members, MASSES were NEVER going to gobble up Lindsey or Christine. They're the best, but lack what the masses crave. Fleetwood Mac was the vehicle for their talents to be consumed by the masses.

[UnwindedDreams]

Huh? How so?
A lot of cisgender straight men overlook or don't appreciate Melissa Etheridge's contributions to pop and rock and roll music, or her pioneering choice to present herself as an androgynous guitarist and not have her tummy out and cleavage revealed. They dismiss her because of her sexuality - same as Indigo Girls who I also believe were titans in the industry.

In 1988, there really were no new singer/songwriter females wielding guitars at the time. Melissa took the female with the guitar example from Joan Baez, Bonnie Raitt, Joni Mitchell and updated it with hard rock that reached audiences beyond acoustic and blues listeners, and she toured constantly. Melissa wrote and continues to write all of her own songs, unlike Bonnie.

After Melissa released successive albums starting in 1988, then came singers such as Sheryl Crow (same age as Melissa), Alanis Morissette, PJ Harvey, Fionna Apple, etc. Melissa was around trying to make it on her own years before Sheryl.

[SteveMacD]

A lot of cisgender straight men overlook or don't appreciate Melissa Etheridge's contributions to pop and rock and roll music, or her pioneering choice to present herself as an androgynous guitarist and not have her tummy out and cleavage revealed. They dismiss her because of her sexuality - same as Indigo Girls who I also believe were titans in the industry.
Chrissie Hynde, Joan Jett, Kim Deal, and k.d. lang in shambles. Even Sinead was somewhat androgynous.

In 1988, there really were no new singer/songwriter females wielding guitars at the time.
The Bangles in shambles, now. Their biggest hit was in 1988, and they most certainly wielded guitars.

After Melissa released successive albums starting in 1988, then came singers such as Sheryl Crow (same age as Melissa), Alanis Morissette, PJ Harvey, Fionna Apple, etc. Melissa was around trying to make it on her own years before Sheryl.

I think you want there to be more there than actually is. Between 1988-1991, there was a major paradigm shift in popular music. Pop fluff like Wilson Phillips, Bananarama, Taylor Dane, and all of the hair metal guys gave way to darker, edgier songwriting, and Nirvana seems to be that moment that blew the roof off of everything. And, Melissa didn’t have a top 40 hit until 1993.

Honestly, when I first heard Melissa Etheridge, I thought Taylor Dane had a new song out. When I first saw her video, her sexuality wasn’t obvious and wouldn’t have changed my opinion of her songs. By the time Melissa hit, k.d. was already popular

Sheryl Crow was in Michael Jackson’s backing band before Melissa even recorded her first album. Melissa didn’t open up any doors for her.

[UnwindedDreams]

Chrissie Hynde, Joan Jett, Kim Deal, and k.d. lang in shambles. Even Sinead was somewhat androgynous.


The Bangles in shambles, now. Their biggest hit was in 1988, and they most certainly wielded guitars.



I think you want there to be more there than actually is. Between 1988-1991, there was a major paradigm shift in popular music. Pop fluff like Wilson Phillips, Bananarama, Taylor Dane, and all of the hair metal guys gave way to darker, edgier songwriting, and Nirvana seems to be that moment that blew the roof off of everything. And, Melissa didn’t have a top 40 hit until 1993.

Honestly, when I first heard Melissa Etheridge, I thought Taylor Dane had a new song out. When I first saw her video, her sexuality wasn’t obvious and wouldn’t have changed my opinion of her songs. By the time Melissa hit, k.d. was already popular

Sheryl Crow was in Michael Jackson’s backing band before Melissa even recorded her first album. Melissa didn’t open up any doors for her.
Your opinion. I don’t want anything to be there- we in the LGBTQIA+ community feel differently. Sheryl Crow was a background singer not a musician. k.d. lang got popular from a duet with Roy Orbison and she doesn’t lead with guitar. And even though Bring Me Some Water, Similar Features, and Like The Way I do weren’t top 40 hits, they’re still popular songs.

[SteveMacD]

Well, if “THE LGBTQ+ community” says it, it must be infallible, evidence to the contrary be damned. Poor Chrissie, Joan, and k.d. Their androgynous presence apparently doesn’t count. Poor Bangles. Their vaginas and guitars don’t matter because their existence is inconvenient to “THE LGBTQ+ community” being able to claim Melissa as “the first new female guitarist since Bonnie Raitt.”

And, LOL on completely discounting Sheryl Crow singing for Michael Jackson. That was probably the biggest tour of that era. No possible way her industry connections from that tour didn’t help her career.

[Macfan4life]

Well, if “THE LGBTQ+ community” says it, it must be infallible, evidence to the contrary be damned. Poor Chrissie, Joan, and k.d. Their androgynous presence apparently doesn’t count. Poor Bangles. Their vaginas and guitars don’t matter because their existence is inconvenient to “THE LGBTQ+ community” being able to claim Melissa as “the first new female guitarist since Bonnie Raitt.”

And, LOL on completely discounting Sheryl Crow singing for Michael Jackson. That was probably the biggest tour of that era. No possible way her industry connections from that tour didn’t help her career.
I think Sheryl has talent but I am not a fan and I personally believe she was part of one of Stevie's worst solo albums. Having said that, her career fascinates me and I respect her so much for her career. She got her start singing a McDonalds jingle locally in Missouri that the corporation took notice and made a national commercial. She believes her innocent mid-western look got her the job with touring with Michael Jackson. She admits the other girls were better and looked better. She was pure innocence.
Her interview on Howard Stern a few years ago was fascinating.

[UnwindedDreams]

“I would say I would like to do a lot of work for Melissa Etheridge [to get inducted],” says Sheryl Crow, “because I think not only does she have a lot of hits that still stand the test of time, but she also opened the doors for a lot of not just women, but people in general. So I’m hoping that she gets recognized. I mean, she’s very deserving.”

https://nypost.com/2023/11/02/entertainment/sheryl-crow-reveals-whos-overdue-to-join-her-in-the-rock-amp-roll-hall-of-fame/amp/

[bombaysaffires]

I think Sheryl has talent but I am not a fan and I personally believe she was part of one of Stevie's worst solo albums. Having said that, her career fascinates me and I respect her so much for her career. She got her start singing a McDonalds jingle locally in Missouri that the corporation took notice and made a national commercial. She believes her innocent mid-western look got her the job with touring with Michael Jackson. She admits the other girls were better and looked better. She was pure innocence.
Her interview on Howard Stern a few years ago was fascinating.

gonna have to disagree there. People often conflate all the songs on TISL with Sheryl. She did NOT produce the entire album, and that's part of its coherence problem. The stuff she DID work on I think gave Stevie the kick in the pants she needed.... it was more guitar-based stuff, great harmonies (both things that are key elements to what made Stevie's stuff so good from the beginning of her career). She didn't produce synth pop throwaways, she produced songs that sound more like a adult, mature woman and I for one really liked it (still do)

[Villavic]

But $tevie $ay$ that $he's a LEGEND!!!!!! WTF???:laugh:

We like it or not, I think Stevie will be remembered as a legend.

Barbara Stanwick, Greta Garbo, Judy Garland, Gloria Swanson. They never won an Oscar. They are legends.

Freddie Mercury, The Beach Boys, The Doors. They never won a grammy. Diana Ross is still alive, never won a grammy, but I think she is already a legend.

Stevie Nicks may have become a jerk. But I think she will be remembered as a legend.

[UnwindedDreams]

Diana Ross does have Achievement Grammys for Supremes and solo work. It’s like Bruce getting an Achievement Tony for his Broadway show.

[AnthonyMI]

A lot of cisgender straight men overlook or don't appreciate Melissa Etheridge's contributions to pop and rock and roll music, or her pioneering choice to present herself as an androgynous guitarist and not have her tummy out and cleavage revealed. They dismiss her because of her sexuality - same as Indigo Girls who I also believe were titans in the industry.

In 1988, there really were no new singer/songwriter females wielding guitars at the time. Melissa took the female with the guitar example from Joan Baez, Bonnie Raitt, Joni Mitchell and updated it with hard rock that reached audiences beyond acoustic and blues listeners, and she toured constantly. Melissa wrote and continues to write all of her own songs, unlike Bonnie.

After Melissa released successive albums starting in 1988, then came singers such as Sheryl Crow (same age as Melissa), Alanis Morissette, PJ Harvey, Fionna Apple, etc. Melissa was around trying to make it on her own years before Sheryl.


whoa. they are same age? Melissa aged poorly. Was it drugs? Or bad genes?

Is it Memorex, or is it Botox?

[SteveMacD]

whoa. they are same age? Melissa aged poorly. Was it drugs? Or bad genes?

Is it Memorex, or is it Botox?

You try spending years trying to raise David Crosby’s biological kid.

[Macfan4life]

gonna have to disagree there. People often conflate all the songs on TISL with Sheryl. She did NOT produce the entire album, and that's part of its coherence problem. The stuff she DID work on I think gave Stevie the kick in the pants she needed.... it was more guitar-based stuff, great harmonies (both things that are key elements to what made Stevie's stuff so good from the beginning of her career). She didn't produce synth pop throwaways, she produced songs that sound more like a adult, mature woman and I for one really liked it (still do)
TISRL was first recorded with TLC's producer. Stevie loved the song Unpretty and thought it sounded like Fleetwood Mac. After a year in the studio she thought the album was too funky in nature and pretty much started the process over when he friendship started with Sheryl. Most of Sheryl's work is very toned down music. Its very vocal driven and her songs are almost jingles like Soak Up The Sun, All I wanna do is have some fun. The issue I have with TISRL is how every song almost has the same beat. The studio musicians do a fine job but if you strip the vocals there is not much there. Where's the beef? Its all forgettable, safe, sterile studio musicians. No drum cracks, no guitar solos. This is why IMHO Street Angel is a superior album to TISRL because if you strip all vocals there are incredible music tracks. Sheryl reduced Stevie's songs to her jingles. There are a few really good tracks on the album: Title track, Love Is, Bombay Sapphires. But most of it is the same beat, same feel, just different lyrics. Planets was done so safe and exactly like the demo. Nothing creative. Songs like Everyday and That Made Me Stronger are horrible. Sorcerer is leaps and bounds better on the Wild Heart cutting room floor. Stevie's solo music works best when someone brings her a musical track and she makes her lyrics that fit that track. None of that process happened here because there is not much music. As much as I like the title track, the drumming track should have changed mid song and made that song an explosive title track. While good, it could have been a killer. But we got a sterile project instead.

[AnthonyMI]

You try spending years trying to raise David Crosby’s biological kid.

Tried. And Failed. Rock and Roll “doing something for you” is relevant to not just the rocker but the family. Having a rock star Nut for a father and two Moms, one of which a rock star, made him insane and turned to drugs and OD’ed. Stevie never brought her children to term. They would have been so messed up. Imagine having brothers and sisters by so many rock stars and living a privileged life under a selfish mother. They would have ended up the same way. Rock and Roll may have done “everything” for Stevie and rockers but tell that to their messed up kids. Maybe being a bad mother early rather than later saved them the pain of growing up into losers and deadbeat drug abusers. Sad to think about it that way. I think that is why she is so messed up on the head though now. There is a connection between abortion and deteriorating mental health that is just now starting to be understood. That pain of taking a life messes people up. And for what! rock and roll!?

Lindsey’s and Micks kids seem to be well adjusted and out of headlines thankfully.