Fav documentary?

[Tusky]

What's the best? I love Fleetwood Mac at 21: John being lucid, cheeky and open . Christine looking beautiful, playing the piano, Lindsey in the studio, Stevie being sweet and funny and Mick...is also there!

[jbrownsjr]

What's the best? I love Fleetwood Mac at 21: John being lucid, cheeky and open . Christine looking beautiful, playing the piano, Lindsey in the studio, Stevie being sweet and funny and Mick...is also there!

Which docu. are you referring to?

[stevierocks87]

I think its called Going Home? Its from the Disney Channel in the early 90s. So many fantastic clips and a great history of the band. My mom and I watched it all the time from when she originally recorded it on VHS!

[stevierocks87]

And holy crap my Ledge account is old enough to drink now :eek:

[jbrownsjr]

And holy crap my Ledge account is old enough to drink now :eek:

The first cut is the deepest... :nod::laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

My favorite is the Tusk OUTTAKES doc. Some of that behind the scenes stuff is priceless. Christine and Lindsey rolling their eyes behind Stevie's back. Shows how they really felt about her.

[AnthonyMI]

The Rumours Classic Albums. Stevie had just lost the weight and was in good voice and seemed gracious and thankful for the band and Lindsey. She hadn’t turned back into the self absorbed fame monster she had become in the 80’s. Hitting rock bottom had humbled her. It also made Lindsey realize she was the girl he was in love with and rekindled the romance. Then the 97 tour was over and her fame returned and she had a #3 album and immediately started to revert to her old ways.

[bwboy]

I think its called Going Home? Its from the Disney Channel in the early 90s. So many fantastic clips and a great history of the band. My mom and I watched it all the time from when she originally recorded it on VHS!

You’re right, it was called Going Home and it did air on, of all things, the Disney Channel. It’s my favorite FM documentary as well. Incredible live footage, interviews, and a truly comprehensive look at the band that didn’t leave out any lineups. I have my copy but wish it would be released again.

[lbfan]

I think its called Going Home? Its from the Disney Channel in the early 90s. So many fantastic clips and a great history of the band. My mom and I watched it all the time from when she originally recorded it on VHS!

From my Vimeo channel:

https://vimeo.com/448290840?share=copy

[jbrownsjr]

I love the Rumours doc 1997, BuckVie Doc, Tusk Doc, and the Christine McVie film is amazing. special thanks for Steve for posting the unedited version. (have yet to watch it, but I will)

[jbrownsjr]

My favorite is the Tusk OUTTAKES doc. Some of that behind the scenes stuff is priceless. Christine and Lindsey rolling their eyes behind Stevie's back. Shows how they really felt about her.

Yea because she couldn't sing straight tone anymore. Always vibrato, and it's hard to get great tone when everyone isn't singing the same technique.

[HomerMcvie]

Yea because she couldn't sing straight tone anymore. Always vibrato, and it's hard to get great tone when everyone isn't singing the same technique.

"As little vibrato as you can go for, Stevie"...*eye roll*

[Penguin Emeritus]

From my Vimeo channel:

https://vimeo.com/448290840?share=copy

OMG thank you for that link!! what good quality!! i have an old videotape of this but i'll def prefer watching this vimeo thing lol

--Lis

[Penguin Emeritus]

Which docu. are you referring to?

The Fleetwood mac at 21 doc is not the same as the Going Home from Disney, just fyi...not sure if it's on youtube...i looked but I don't see it. It was an old british documentary.

-Lis

[bombaysaffires]

"As little vibrato as you can go for, Stevie"...*eye roll*

what song were they recording?

[WalkAThinLine.]

what song were they recording?

If I remember correctly, it was "Walk a Thin Line"

[Villavic]

Rumours Classic Albums. Followed very close by the Tusk documentary (I love the Angel recording session)

I have heard that the Disney Going Home doc was very good, but never saw it.

[Villavic]

The Fleetwood mac at 21 doc is not the same as the Going Home from Disney, just fyi...not sure if it's on youtube...i looked but I don't see it. It was an old british documentary.

-Lis

Going Home is from 1993. Fleetwood Mac at 21 was circa 1988. Almost sure it was before Behind the Mask.

[HomerMcvie]

Followed very close by the Tusk documentary (I love the Angel recording session)

Do you have the outtakes? Lots of good stuff on it.

[jbrownsjr]

The Fleetwood mac at 21 doc is not the same as the Going Home from Disney, just fyi...not sure if it's on youtube...i looked but I don't see it. It was an old british documentary.

-Lis

I'm not sure if I've seen that one.

[David]

I'm not sure if I've seen that one.

It’s the one where John criticizes Stevie for complaining about how bad Fleetwood Mac has been for her. He says something like, “She hasn’t done all that poorly by us.”

I don’t love any TV documentary material (intended for broadcasting) all that much, but the 20/20 segment in 1980 was the one that excited me the most at the time. It was a way to revisit the tour that had just ended and the first big piece on the band on a network.

There are high spots in the laserdisc documentary — mostly from the live segments. But it gives that incomplete feeling I get when I listen to scattershot songs from a dozen concerts on the Live album. A lot of people compiling band audio and film over the years were obviously stoned and not very gifted to begin with in production terms.

[aleuzzi]

I love the Rumours doc 1997, BuckVie Doc, Tusk Doc, and the Christine McVie film is amazing. special thanks for Steve for posting the unedited version. (have yet to watch it, but I will)

Yes to all or these. The only thing I don't dig about the Rumours doc (1997) is that none of the members are together while being interviewed. I know that could be standard for such things, but maybe even a bit of footage of them all, in 1997, hanging together in one room would have been swell.

[FuzzyPlum]

Oh my god….was that classic albums episode really from 1997???? 26 years ago….bejeezus!!!!!

[Mr Scarrott]

It’s the one where John criticizes Stevie for complaining about how bad Fleetwood Mac has been for her. He says something like, “She hasn’t done all that poorly by us.”

I've not seen that one, but you might be confusing it with the 1995 Rock Family Trees edition. Here's John's reaction to Stevie "filtering herself out"

https://youtu.be/Cw-5yiZYzgc?si=IZiSMk96dK0Bs4Oc&t=2660

Narrative (John Peel):
The concert marked the end of Stevie's time in Fleetwood Mac. She left and continued her solo career. For her, the 'Rumours' line up of the band had been it's high point.

Stevie Nicks:
It's just not replaceable'.y'know'Mick can go on for ever and ever trying to replace it'but he can't'it never will happen'.ever'.so I just didn't want to go through the grief of trying to create something out of something that had already been about as big as you could get.

John McVie:
She sort of filtered herself out'.like enough was enough'..(sigh)'.that turned ugly too'..we're her worst enemies'from what I read' -Mick is ,.. all that Fleetwood Mac has done to her is bad things' which is sort of boring ...and untrue''so'.(makes dismissive gesture with his hand).

I really liked this doc. Great that Bob Weston, Bob Welch & Bob Brunning were interviewed. If only they could have persuaded Peter, Jeremy and Danny to take part.

[WalkAThinLine.]

I've not seen that one, but you might be confusing it with the 1995 Rock Family Trees edition. Here's John's reaction to Stevie "filtering herself out"

https://youtu.be/Cw-5yiZYzgc?si=IZiSMk96dK0Bs4Oc&t=2660

Narrative (John Peel):
The concert marked the end of Stevie's time in Fleetwood Mac. She left and continued her solo career. For her, the 'Rumours' line up of the band had been it's high point.

Stevie Nicks:
It's just not replaceable'.y'know'Mick can go on for ever and ever trying to replace it'but he can't'it never will happen'.ever'.so I just didn't want to go through the grief of trying to create something out of something that had already been about as big as you could get.

John McVie:
She sort of filtered herself out'.like enough was enough'..(sigh)'.that turned ugly too'..we're her worst enemies'from what I read' -Mick is ,.. all that Fleetwood Mac has done to her is bad things' which is sort of boring ...and untrue''so'.(makes dismissive gesture with his hand).

I really liked this doc. Great that Bob Weston, Bob Welch & Bob Brunning were interviewed. If only they could have persuaded Peter, Jeremy and Danny to take part.

I just rewatched that documentary yesterday. There was clearly a lot of animosity between the members at this point, as per some of the snide remarks made by John McVie, Bob Weston, and Bob Welch.

[Penguin Emeritus]

I just rewatched that documentary yesterday. There was clearly a lot of animosity between the members at this point, as per some of the snide remarks made by John McVie, Bob Weston, and Bob Welch.

I'd say there was maybe more hurt on John's end, rather than animosity...? IMO he seemed hurt by how stevie had sort of turned on them and removed herself in her anger at Mick.

Weston seemed a bit peeved that Mick wouldn't take his call and hear the nice things he was gonna say about his book...and Welch was just giving his take on how he'd felt throughout his time in the band, which at times seemed frustrating.


It was a really good documentary though...

--Lis

[WalkAThinLine.]

I'd say there was maybe more hurt on John's end, rather than animosity...? IMO he seemed hurt by how stevie had sort of turned on them and removed herself in her anger at Mick.

Weston seemed a bit peeved that Mick wouldn't take his call and hear the nice things he was gonna say about his book...and Welch was just giving his take on how he'd felt throughout his time in the band, which at times seemed frustrating.


It was a really good documentary though...

--Lis

I largely agree with that. There did seem to be a lot of resentment on John's end when the firing of Bob Weston and even Danny Kirwan was brought up. There was certainly a lot of hurt when McVie discussed the circumstances of Green's departure.

Also keep in mind that a year prior to the documentary's filming Welch sued the band for alleged unpaid royalties. The lawsuit was still ongoing by the time Welch was interviewed and the case wasn't settled until 1996.

[jbrownsjr]

Yes to all or these. The only thing I don't dig about the Rumours doc (1997) is that none of the members are together while being interviewed. I know that could be standard for such things, but maybe even a bit of footage of them all, in 1997, hanging together in one room would have been swell.

And one of the only times I thought Lindsey had chubby face. He ended up losing all that weight over the tour.

[Penguin Emeritus]

And one of the only times I thought Lindsey had chubby face. He ended up losing all that weight over the tour.

I wonder if he had a little work done. His eyes looked droopy there as well as his face being puffy. Later on his face seemed slimmer and his eyes also seemed more youthful....eyes don't really change if you lose weight lol.

--Lis

[aleuzzi]

I wonder if he had a little work done. His eyes looked droopy there as well as his face being puffy. Later on his face seemed slimmer and his eyes also seemed more youthful....eyes don't really change if you lose weight lol.

--Lis

I would not be surprised if he had work done.

[aleuzzi]

I'd say there was maybe more hurt on John's end, rather than animosity...? IMO he seemed hurt by how stevie had sort of turned on them and removed herself in her anger at Mick.

Weston seemed a bit peeved that Mick wouldn't take his call and hear the nice things he was gonna say about his book...and Welch was just giving his take on how he'd felt throughout his time in the band, which at times seemed frustrating.


It was a really good documentary though...

--Lis

Yeah, I didn't see much animosity coming from John. What I saw was a complete dismissal of bulls**t. He was keeping it real but also too tired or bored with Stevie's antics to do more than wave his hand at it.

[jbrownsjr]

....eyes don't really change if you lose weight lol.

--Lis

Now you tell me.

[vermicious knid]

I'm surprised at how many of these I haven't seen! Thanks to the person who posted the link to the Going Home documentary.

In trying to search for the Fleetwood Mac at 21 documentary (does anyone have that??), I did manage to find a whole other documentary I had never seen. It's about Fleetwood Mac but told with Mick as the protagonist, called Two Sticks and a Drum (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH8hvTUE1HQ), from 2001. It's really well done. It includes new interviews with bunches of people and certainly isn't just about Mick, but the unique perspective allows for interesting stuff that you wouldn't get from a more even-handed approach.

You may have seen it before with about 15 minutes cut out, because there is another upload of it to youtube that has a lot of views, but which has been hacked up with parts removed. The version I linked to is the complete version, it appears.

[tango87]

Fleetwood Mac at 21 was a wonderful BBC documentary, made when Lindsey had just left the band. It seemed really raw for Stevie - I remember her saying something like 'As far as Lindsey and I are concerned, there's just nothing left to say'... Well, that wasn't exactly true, was it? Christine says 'I don't know what's going on with those two'.

It had an interesting audio interview with Peter Green, accompanied with photos of him with very long fingernails, and one with Lindsey with his Eraserhead hair, sitting at his studio desk, talking about his solo album and pretending to listen to the guitar solo from Big Love.

I'd just got massively into Tango the previous year, and it was very dismaying to watch this great documentary telling me that this amazing band I'd just discovered had basically broken up!

[Villavic]

I've not seen that one, but you might be confusing it with the 1995 Rock Family Trees edition. Here's John's reaction to Stevie "filtering herself out"

https://youtu.be/Cw-5yiZYzgc?si=IZiSMk96dK0Bs4Oc&t=2660



I had seen parts of that doc in the past. Yesterday was first time I watched completely. I discovered that "family tree" that they show is the same it's included in the Save Me CD single, that I bought in the 90s because it included the Everywhere and Anoter Woman live versions from the Tango concert.

What I had already seen what the segment where Stevie talks about... that day. August 7, 1987. Probably somebody posted it here in the past, I can't remember.

Watching it again, my thoughts are that though Stevie may be not completely accurate about what happened between she and Lindsey, John seems very sincere when he said They goy ugly, physically ugly. And there must have been a reason for him to tell Lindsey Why don't just leave? (the room).

Now if that episode was that extreme (she mentions the word "kill"), it's hard to believe someone can get over it and invite that person few years later to record a song (like Twisted). And the other person accepted. So the story is exaggerated or Mr. Money is more important, as usual. But again, something really ugly happened that day. I do believe John.

[Macfan4life]

Mick would not take a phone call from Bob Weston in the mid 90s to compliment him on his book. Good grief!

Mick's second book IMHO was purely written as an apology session for those he wronged over his life. His praise of Bob Welch and Bob Weston were particularly high. But when they were alive he kicked them to the curb.

[jbrownsjr]

Mick would not take a phone call from Bob Weston in the mid 90s to compliment him on his book. Good grief!

Mick's second book IMHO was purely written as an apology session for those he wronged over his life. His praise of Bob Welch and Bob Weston were particularly high. But when they were alive he kicked them to the curb.

Because that meant $$$. And the Welch era started to really sell because of all the hoopla. People wanted their collections complete. I'm always impressed when people have Welch era albums in their collection. I recently met a guy that had those and Bob's solo albums, too.

[Macfan4life]

Because that meant $$$. And the Welch era started to really sell because of all the hoopla. People wanted their collections complete. I'm always impressed when people have Welch era albums in their collection. I recently met a guy that had those and Bob's solo albums, too.
I am glad that documentary documented Bob Weston's account about that phone call. I seem to recall they did eventually make amends? Does anyone remember? I think I remember him apologizing to Weston in his second book. But I think Weston was dead by then? Mick is such a d*ck to people. He was even that way with Stevie when she was not touring with them but wanted Silver Springs. He is so small and petty. But he is also so small and petty if it means something big for him. For example he had no problem firing Lindsey to make more money. He comes across as such a warm and likalbe guy in interviews. But he sure holds a grudge and will do whatever he can to wrong you if it costs him one cent.
But what do you expect from someone that sells their RRHOF award for petty cash.

[Villavic]

Mick is such a d*ck to people. He was even that way with Stevie when she was not touring with them but wanted Silver Springs. .

I have read in many sources that Mick didn't let her to include Silver Springs in Timespace, and that was the last straw for Stevie. She left Fleetwood Mac then.

But I read once that it was not necessarily Mick, but Warner Bros Records who didn't let her include Silver Springs, and that Mick actually couldn't do anything to help her. I don't know if this may be true.

[jbrownsjr]

I am glad that documentary documented Bob Weston's account about that phone call. I seem to recall they did eventually make amends? Does anyone remember? I think I remember him apologizing to Weston in his second book. But I think Weston was dead by then? Mick is such a d*ck to people. He was even that way with Stevie when she was not touring with them but wanted Silver Springs. He is so small and petty. But he is also so small and petty if it means something big for him. For example he had no problem firing Lindsey to make more money. He comes across as such a warm and likalbe guy in interviews. But he sure holds a grudge and will do whatever he can to wrong you if it costs him one cent.
But what do you expect from someone that sells their RRHOF award for petty cash.

Mick was Stevie's best friend in the whole world.

[Macfan4life]

I have read in many sources that Mick didn't let her to include Silver Springs in Timespace, and that was the last straw for Stevie. She left Fleetwood Mac then.

But I read once that it was not necessarily Mick, but Warner Bros Records who didn't let her include Silver Springs, and that Mick actually couldn't do anything to help her. I don't know if this may be true.
Stevie has said that herself. Watch her Timespace interviews on Youtube where she says just that. I left the band officially over not getting Mick's approval for Silver Springs. My point though is not to rehash that debate: could Mick do this or was it Warner? It's Mick's pettiness. Even if he could not officially give permission (lets pretend), you would think he would say..... yes! You stayed with this band when everyone told you to quit and you made me lots of money. But no. Its always pettiness of Silver Springs, Bob Welch royalties, or not taking a phone call 20 years after Weston had an affair with his wife he divorced many years earlier. You can connect the dots from these petty actions to the firing of Lindsey. When he is sulking and out of money he will be petty and greedy.