Billboard 500 best pop songs. Dreams is #17

[Wdm6789]

https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-pop-songs-all-time-hits/

Everywhere and You Make Loving Fun should have been on this list.

[jbrownsjr]

https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-pop-songs-all-time-hits/

Everywhere and You Make Loving Fun should have been on this list.

And Don't Stop

[aleuzzi]

What # is Don’t Stop?

[bwboy]

What # is Don’t Stop?

It’s not on the list- jbrownsjr was saying it SHOULD have made it on the list, along with Everywhere and You Make Loving Fun.

[aleuzzi]

It’s not on the list- jbrownsjr was saying it SHOULD have made it on the list, along with Everywhere and You Make Loving Fun.

Ah. One of her songs should have, certainly. You don't get songs like YMLF and SYLM everyday. Everywhere is almost as ubiquitous as Dreams. As is Little Lies. So, there would have been a lot to choose from.

[WalkAThinLine.]

Billboard missed a prime opportunity to include "Thoughts on a Grey Day".

[Macfan4life]

And Don't Stop
Wha wha what? No Silver Girl?

[jbrownsjr]

Wha wha what? No Silver Girl?

More like Slimey Girl.

[bwboy]

I’m thrilled Fleetwood Mac got a song on the list. Pretty impressive, and it’s a high number, too! Should it have been You Make Loving Fun instead? Maybe. Should it have been Go Your Own Way? Probably. Does it matter? Not to me. As far as I’m concerned, Christine and Lindsey are on the list because they are Fleetwood Mac.

[Villavic]

Billboard missed a prime opportunity to include "Thoughts on a Grey Day".

Or "These Strange Times"

[Villavic]

Wha wha what? No Silver Girl?

It was overshadowed by Whatta matta baby

[jbrownsjr]

I’m thrilled Fleetwood Mac got a song on the list. Pretty impressive, and it’s a high number, too! Should it have been You Make Loving Fun instead? Maybe. Should it have been Go Your Own Way? Probably. Does it matter? Not to me. As far as I’m concerned, Christine and Lindsey are on the list because they are Fleetwood Mac.

Good point, and Christine and Lindsey actually made Dreams into something listenable and pristine.

[BLY]

Good point, and Christine and Lindsey actually made Dreams into something listenable and pristine.


Agreed. Dreams came on the radio the other day after I saw this post and I thought that is one great song. Musically , all three voices. It’s a great song that still sounds current.

[Villavic]

As I said in the Best rock singers thread at Stevie's forum, IMO these lists are not to be taken as absolute truths, and I usually check them just to enjoy, cause at the end it's not big deal. But let's face it, it's nice to find your favorite song or artists there.

Now what's the meaning of "best pop song"? If it means the most pop, I guess Dreams deserves to be in the list. If it means the song with the best quality, there are several FM songs I would choose, but pop means popular, commercial, accessible. And there are lot of bands with songs far more popular than Fleetwood Mac.

[aleuzzi]

Billboard missed a prime opportunity to include "Thoughts on a Grey Day".

Ha! I was thinking of "Mick the Screecher"

But seriously, if they're going to pick "Dreams" (as opposed to say, "Rhiannon,") there's no reason they couldn't pick an equally ubiquitous pop song from Christine.

[aleuzzi]

But let's face it, it's nice to find your favorite song or artists there.



Yeah, that's why, of 500 songs chosen, I was wishing there'd be a Christine song in there. It would be validation for us fans who miss her tremendously.

[Macfan4life]

Ok ok, I just looked at #499 and #500 and got right out of there. New Kids on the Block, seriously? Yet no Little Lies or Hold Me which are by definition the perfect pop songs. The first time I heard these songs I knew they are a huge hit single (sorry Steve).

[jbrownsjr]

Ok ok, I just looked at #499 and #500 and got right out of there. New Kids on the Block, seriously? Yet no Little Lies or Hold Me which are by definition the perfect pop songs. The first time I heard these songs I knew they are a huge hit single (sorry Steve).

haha, you crack me up. I'd have forgotten all about LIttle Lies' theory if not for you. :wavey::laugh:

[Villavic]

Ok ok, I just looked at #499 and #500 and got right out of there. New Kids on the Block, seriously? Yet no Little Lies or Hold Me which are by definition the perfect pop songs. The first time I heard these songs I knew they are a huge hit single (sorry Steve).

Oh yes, seriously NKOTB in the list makes completely sense to me. Not because You Got It reached N.3 and Little Lies or Hold Me just reached N.4, but because the New Kids were a POP phenomenom in the late 80s, while Fleetwood Mac was no longer.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

Ah. One of her songs should have, certainly. You don't get songs like YMLF and SYLM everyday. Everywhere is almost as ubiquitous as Dreams. As is Little Lies. So, there would have been a lot to choose from.

'Dreams' is a Fleetwood Mac song, created by the five 'Fireflies' as are the other, equally, great songs.

Let's not favour one song or group member over another.
:xoxo:

[DownOnRodeo]

'Let's not favour one song or group member over another.

No let's. :laugh:

[Macfan4life]

Oh yes, seriously NKOTB in the list makes completely sense to me. Not because You Got It reached N.3 and Little Lies or Hold Me just reached N.4, but because the New Kids were a POP phenomenom in the late 80s, while Fleetwood Mac was no longer.
Fleetwood Mac was not a teenage boy band but they released 2 very successful pop albums in the 80s yielding 7 top 40 songs. Granted songs like Gypsy are not really pop songs since it has no chorus. But Hold Me was one of the biggest songs of 1982 and Little Lies was the perfect pop song.
Fleetwood Mac got lots of flack from music critics for Mirage being so music box pop friendly. In the Rolling Stone interview in 1982, the magazine tried to stick up for them claiming many 70s rock acts were going lighter pop and mentioned some of them.
If the list is empty and dumb pop songs then yes New Kids should rule that chart. But the BEST pop songs should have to include a little bit of talent. The list is composed of Billboard's staff favorites, no? So its really just a bunch of songs thrown together that someone likes and put numbers next to them. I think some of the chart should reflect its pop success. For example they put Madonna's Like A Prayer in the top 10 and her highest ranked song. Would not Like A Virgin deserve to be in the top 10? It was #1 for 6 weeks and sort of made Madonna a superstar. Where is Olivia's Physical? The biggest pop single of the 80s? Not top 10? What about the Knack's My Sharona? It was the biggest hit of the 70s yet not in the top 10?
The list is pure rubbish. Its just someone's favorite songs. Dreams is a good song and deserves to be on the list. But to many Stevie is Fleetwood Mac so that is all they know. They could have at least shown us their Fleetwood Mac knowledge by putting Oh Diane on the list ;)

[aleuzzi]

'Dreams' is a Fleetwood Mac song, created by the five 'Fireflies' as are the other, equally, great songs.

Let's not favour one song or group member over another.
:xoxo:

I do favor some members over others. Always have, always will.

While I'm happy any FM song made the list, I was hoping a Christine song would as well, since she is gone and her fans would love her to get some overdue recognition.

Though the five members collectively pooled their talents together to make Dreams, it's a Stevie song and it, once again, pushes her and her legacy front and center.

[bwboy]

Though the five members collectively pooled their talents together to make Dreams, it's a Stevie song and it, once again, pushes her and her legacy front and center.

Only to people here on this board, I think. A majority of folks who aren’t as invested in the band don’t see it as a Stevie song, but as a FM song. I’m not trying to change your POV, I’m just looking at it from an outside POV.

[aleuzzi]

Only to people here on this board, I think. A majority of folks who aren’t as invested in the band don’t see it as a Stevie song, but as a FM song. I’m not trying to change your POV, I’m just looking at it from an outside POV.

But one where she is front and center. She remains for many THE face of the band. I was hoping there'd be some recognition of Christine in addition to Stevie.

Not saying Dreams shouldn't be there. I'm saying a Christine song should also be somewhere in the 500 songs.

[Macfan4life]

Stevie is a poet with her songs. How they are crafted into pop songs is nothing short of brilliant. Songs like Sara, Gold Dust Woman, Gypsy, Edge of 17 are oozing with poetry.
Christine's approach is usually peppy, catchy pop songs. This category was right up her lane. She wrote the best pop in love songs.
But like I said, this list is just a subjective view of a few in a group. Sometimes Chris's lyrics seem almost simple yet so brilliant that are so genuine. She could have written cards for Hallmark.
All I know is the way that I feel
whenever you're around
You've got a way of lifting me up
instead of bringing me down

Her Dont Stop is pretty much an anthem. This list could have been littered with her songs.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

Stevie is a poet with her songs. How they are crafted into pop songs is nothing short of brilliant. Songs like Sara, Gold Dust Woman, Gypsy, Edge of 17 are oozing with poetry.
Christine's approach is usually peppy, catchy pop songs. This category was right up her lane. She wrote the best pop in love songs.
But like I said, this list is just a subjective view of a few in a group. Sometimes Chris's lyrics seem almost simple yet so brilliant that are so genuine. She could have written cards for Hallmark.
All I know is the way that I feel
whenever you're around
You've got a way of lifting me up
instead of bringing me down

Her Dont Stop is pretty much an anthem. This list could have been littered with her songs.

Hi Macfan4life,

Thankyou! You have expressed many of our views and opinions, perfectly. :xoxo: :wavey:

[David]

But one where she is front and center. She remains for many THE face of the band. I was hoping there'd be some recognition of Christine in addition to Stevie.

Not saying Dreams shouldn't be there. I'm saying a Christine song should also be somewhere in the 500 songs.

I’m a big, big fan of “Dreams,” so I like it up high — although the way “Silver Springs” has risen in everyone’s esteem the last few years, I’m surprised it isn’t on the top 500. Didn’t it recently experience a renaissance on YT?

“Go Your Own Way” and “You Make Loving Fun” belong on the top 500, too. Then again, Stevie has the aggressive publicist. Not being included is usually a case of out-of-sight, out-of-mind. The Liz Rosenberg agency would never let Stevie drop out of sight.

[DownOnRodeo]

Not being included is usually a case of out-of-sight, out-of-mind.

Or a case of players-only-love-you-when-you're-playing.

[DownOnRodeo]

Or a case of players-only-love-you-when-you're-playing.

But David, I would drink a case of you.:cool:

[jbrownsjr]

But David, I would drink a case of you.:cool:

And still be on your feet.

[Jondalar]

https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-pop-songs-all-time-hits/

Everywhere and You Make Loving Fun should have been on this list.

I just looked this and this chart is stupid.
I Wanna Dance with Somebody is #1
Call Me Maybe and Since You Been Gone are in the top 10.

It is a dumb, ridiculous list.

[jmn3]

I just looked this and this chart is stupid.
I Wanna Dance with Somebody is #1
Call Me Maybe and Since You Been Gone are in the top 10.

It is a dumb, ridiculous list.

Agreed, this is a stupid list. I hate these things.

And I know I’m alone in this, but I don’t even find Dreams to be Stevie’s best song on Rumours.

[jbrownsjr]

I just looked this and this chart is stupid.
I Wanna Dance with Somebody is #1
Call Me Maybe and Since You Been Gone are in the top 10.

It is a dumb, ridiculous list.

I don't pay too much attention to these either. They're usually awful.

[Villavic]

Agreed, this is a stupid list. I hate these things.

And I know I’m alone in this, but I don’t even find Dreams to be Stevie’s best song on Rumours.

It's not the best song. It's the most popular Fleetwood Mac song, worldwide. If you play FM songs to any non fan, millenials & centennials included, the highest probability of recognize a song, or heard before at least once, is definitely Dreams. Again, I'm thinking worldwide. Everywhere, Dont Stop and Gypsy probably recognized but some too, but not as much as Dreams.

In terms of popularity (including outside the fans, beyond Generation X), Dreams is kind of the "Hotel California" or the "Stayin’ Alive" of Fleetwood Mac.

[HomerMcvie]

It's not the best song. It's the most popular Fleetwood Mac song, worldwide. If you play FM songs to any non fan, millenials & centennials included, the highest probability of recognize a song, or heard before at least once, is definitely Dreams. Again, I'm thinking worldwide. Everywhere, Dont Stop and Gypsy probably recognized but some too, but not as much as Dreams.

In terms of popularity (including outside the fans, beyond Generation X), Dreams is kind of the "Hotel California" or the "Stayin’ Alive" of Fleetwood Mac.

I would say that GYOW is their Hotel California.

[jmn3]

I would say that GYOW is their Hotel California.

100% this right here

[bwboy]

I would say that GYOW is their Hotel California.

And here I thought Don’t Stop was their Hotel California, especially after Clinton made it his presidential theme song.

[Macfan4life]

And here I thought Don’t Stop was their Hotel California, especially after Clinton made it his presidential theme song.
Don't Stop is pretty close to an anthem. But GYOW is the band's most forward rock song that charted. Rock stations still play it even if they may not play much else from the band. The band sensed that too because they made it their closer. Even in Mick's book (where are you Villavic) he said they would turn up the volume during Lindsey's guitar solo in Japan and blast them out of the arena during the guitar jam.
I love Lindsey's playing but he always saw himself as so many other things than a guitar player. The songs from Lindsey I like the most are when he jams.
Long story short, its their most guitar and rock orientated single. Post Rumours the band switched over to folk rock, soft rock, and pure pop.

[jbrownsjr]

Don't Stop is pretty close to an anthem. But GYOW is the band's most forward rock song that charted. Rock stations still play it even if they may not play much else from the band. The band sensed that too because they made it their closer. Even in Mick's book (where are you Villavic) he said they would turn up the volume during Lindsey's guitar solo in Japan and blast them out of the arena during the guitar jam.
I love Lindsey's playing but he always saw himself as so many other things than a guitar player. The songs from Lindsey I like the most are when he jams.
Long story short, its their most guitar and rock orientated single. Post Rumours the band switched over to folk rock, soft rock, and pure pop.

Which charted higher? Or, was it a tie?

[HomerMcvie]

And here I thought Don’t Stop was their Hotel California, especially after Clinton made it his presidential theme song.

Don't Stop sounds far more dated than GYOW.

[bwboy]

Don't Stop sounds far more dated than GYOW.

Yep, I agree. And Go Your Own Way has always been the song that represented Fleetwood Mac to me the most. My top 10 list may vary day to day, but GYOW is always my #1.

[HomerMcvie]

Yep, I agree. And Go Your Own Way has always been the song that represented Fleetwood Mac to me the most. My top 10 list may vary day to day, but GYOW is always my #1.

That acoustic guitar IS WHAT MAKES GYOW work. Something about that part really makes it feel fresh.

[jbrownsjr]

:lol:That acoustic guitar IS WHAT MAKES GYOW work. Something about that part really makes it feel fresh.

And he never wrote like that again! literally... :distress:

[HomerMcvie]

:lol:

And he never wrote like that again! literally... :distress:

He got that talent leech surgically removed from his back(and front).

[Villavic]

I would say that GYOW is their Hotel California.

My point is current worlwide popularity. GYOW nowadays is not as popular as Dreams, Dont Stop or Everywhere in Peru, Argentina, Spain, etc.

Hotel California and Dreams are still usually played in 70s-80s music radios (southamerica and some eruopean countries i have visited). Go Your Own Way unfortunately is not.

Dreams is recognized by millenials, centenials. Not a lot, but some of them know that song. As they know HC. GYOW is not known.

Again, I'm talking about today popularity, presence on radios, not talking about quality or artistic work.

[Villavic]

Yep, I agree. And Go Your Own Way has always been the song that represented Fleetwood Mac to me the most. .

However let's keep in mind that curiously it was Christine who won most of the "favorite songs grouped by singer" album polls in The Ledge Rumours forum.

About GYOW, I just say it is the song that, not necessarily represented, but made me think FLEETWOOD MAC ROCKS!

[HomerMcvie]

My point is current worlwide popularity. GYOW nowadays is not as popular as Dreams, Dont Stop or Everywhere in Peru, Argentina, Spain, etc.

Hotel California and Dreams are still usually played in 70s-80s music radios (southamerica and some eruopean countries i have visited). Go Your Own Way unfortunately is not.

Dreams is recognized by millenials, centenials. Not a lot, but some of them know that song. As they know HC. GYOW is not known.

Again, I'm talking about today popularity, presence on radios, not talking about quality or artistic work.
Whatevs. I hear GYOW THREE TIMES as much on the radio as Dreams. YMMV.

[jbrownsjr]

My point is current worlwide popularity. GYOW nowadays is not as popular as Dreams, Dont Stop or Everywhere in Peru, Argentina, Spain, etc.

Hotel California and Dreams are still usually played in 70s-80s music radios (southamerica and some eruopean countries i have visited). Go Your Own Way unfortunately is not.

Dreams is recognized by millenials, centenials. Not a lot, but some of them know that song. As they know HC. GYOW is not known.

Again, I'm talking about today popularity, presence on radios, not talking about quality or artistic work.

I would agree. I hear Everywhere, literally Everywhere. I heard it in Paris, London, on a cruise ship, even Barcelona.