Buckingham/Nicks live January 1975

[Macfan4life]

This is a really good concert. If the date is correct, it would have been recorded after joining Fleetwood Mac. Its funny that they open with Lola which sort of became the Chain which also opened so many of their shows. They perform Monday Morning, Blue Letter, I Don't Want To Know as well as their Buck/Nicks songs. A really good Crystal too. Excellent quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2yV3nS0hVo

[jbrownsjr]

This is a really good concert. If the date is correct, it would have been recorded after joining Fleetwood Mac. Its funny that they open with Lola which sort of became the Chain which also opened so many of their shows. They perform Monday Morning, Blue Letter, I Don't Want To Know as well as their Buck/Nicks songs. A really good Crystal too. Excellent quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2yV3nS0hVo

haha The Buckingham/Nicks!

[jbrownsjr]

Love Races are Run! despite intonation dips and doosies...

[jmn3]

That Buckingham Nicks Rhiannon always reminds me of how important Fleetwood Mac was to making some of these songs work. Mr. Fleetwood and the McVie’s really bring it all together in comparison to this.

[jbrownsjr]

That Buckingham Nicks Rhiannon always reminds me of how important Fleetwood Mac was to making some of these songs work. Mr. Fleetwood and the McVie’s really bring it all together in comparison to this.

There's just no question, they would not have survived without Fleetwood Mac.
This is good, but it's not amazing like FM.

[aleuzzi]

There's just no question, they would not have survived without Fleetwood Mac.
This is good, but it's not amazing like FM.

Lindsey likely would have become a successful session player/arranger/producer. Not sure what Stevie would have done. Or maybe they would have had one more album--another chance. And maybe it would have made a little noise. But they wouldn't have made it through the 70s as an act.

They were a good act. But their sole album is wildly overrated (exception: Frozen Love) and despite claims for originality they did sound familiar, even occasionally derivative.

It was the mix of their attributes with Christine's voice, and that powerhouse rhythm section that made all of them.

[jbrownsjr]

Lindsey likely would have become a successful session player/arranger/producer. Not sure what Stevie would have done. Or maybe they would have had one more album--another chance. And maybe it would have made a little noise. But they wouldn't have made it through the 70s as an act.

They were a good act. But their sole album is wildly overrated (exception: Frozen Love) and despite claims for originality they did sound familiar, even occasionally derivative.

It was the mix of their attributes with Christine's voice, and that powerhouse rhythm section that made all of them.

I agree. This is what I"m saying. I've always been a huge fan of B/N album. But taking a step back and realizing it's not breakthrough material, opened my eyes a bit.

Especially after listening to MTM and Heroes. Those albums are really really better than I've given them credit for.

[Macfan4life]

They are really good here. It sort of reminds me of that Reeses Peanut Buttercup commercial that aired around this time. Chocolate is so good. Peanut Butter is so good. But when you put them both together its a dream. Fleetwood Mac was already excellent but Lindsey's powers and her cult persona took everything to another level.
Clearly they were not amateurs listening to this concert.

[jbrownsjr]

They are really good here. It sort of reminds me of that Reeses Peanut Buttercup commercial that aired around this time. Chocolate is so good. Peanut Butter is so good. But when you put them both together its a dream. Fleetwood Mac was already excellent but Lindsey's powers and her cult persona took everything to another level.
Clearly they were not amateurs listening to this concert.

And who doesn't sound good with Fleetwood, McVie McVie as your rhythm?

[WatchChain]

What is the name of the Stevie Nicks song that begins at 32:00? It is somewhat reminiscent of what would later become "Silver Springs".

While there are moments of brilliance, this concert is rough. Their live sound is very staccato--at times choppy and mechanical. Of course, having no money at the time, they probably weren't playing with the most elaborate and expensive sound system.

I've always assumed that Fleetwood Mac needed Buckingham & Nicks to break through. I now think it might be the other way around.

[DownOnRodeo]

What is the name of the Stevie Nicks song that begins at 32:00? It is somewhat reminiscent of what would later become "Silver Springs".

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/bn/unreleased/youwontforgetme.html

[jmn3]

What is the name of the Stevie Nicks song that begins at 32:00? It is somewhat reminiscent of what would later become "Silver Springs".

While there are moments of brilliance, this concert is rough. Their live sound is very staccato--at times choppy and mechanical. Of course, having no money at the time, they probably weren't playing with the most elaborate and expensive sound system.

I've always assumed that Fleetwood Mac needed Buckingham & Nicks to break through. I now think it might be the other way around.

I absolutely think BN needed Fleetwood Mac to break through. For all intents and purposes, Fleetwood Mac had broken through already but B and N gave them that extra edge they needed to really get to that next level. I do believe Fleetwood Mac would’ve continued to have moderate success without BN but BN without FM would’ve been on the steakhouse circuit outside of Alabama.

[jbrownsjr]

I've always assumed that Fleetwood Mac needed Buckingham & Nicks to break through. I now think it might be the other way around.

It's funny, Tony and I were just chatting about that. I can see why they weren't picked up for another album. And that's saying a lot because I liked their album. But this isn't anything through the roof. They needed FM.

[Macfan4life]

I absolutely think BN needed Fleetwood Mac to break through. For all intents and purposes, Fleetwood Mac had broken through already but B and N gave them that extra edge they needed to really get to that next level. I do believe Fleetwood Mac would’ve continued to have moderate success without BN but BN without FM would’ve been on the steakhouse circuit outside of Alabama.
I agree with you in part but also disagree with your other part. Fleetwood Mac was much more experienced, established, and pretty much a powerhouse band. By 1974 they were well established but transformed a bit from their blues to psychedelic sounds of the early 70s. But they still had that bluesy sound for most of their music. Bob dragged the band not only to the states but also in expanding their musical horizons. This concert by Buck/Nicks really impressed me. Lindsey is so good. They are already playing some of their famous Mac tunes. Lindsey is on fire. Stevie is really good too. Lindsey's edge really was needed to make Fleetwood Mac the supergroup they became. I think if Bob stayed with the band, they would have had a breakthrough single and it may have been Chris's song. I also think Stevie and Lindsey would have had success. It was common for bands to be dropped and re-signed with another label. This concert was the peak of their Buck/Nicks success. I think I heard Stevie say once this concert almost made them rethink their Fleetwood Mac commitment because of how well they were received. To quote Paul Fiskin: Stevie was going to be a superstar or a nobody. There was no in between. Joining Fleetwood Mac just made it happen sooner and took them to a level they would not have experienced alone. The same with Fleetwood Mac. They were gaining traction in the states with their album finally cracking the top 40 with no hit single. I think the hit single was going to be on the next album regardless of Buckingham/Nicks. But again, their success would have been muted and not as sensational as with Buckingham/Nicks.

[aleuzzi]

It's funny, Tony and I were just chatting about that. I can see why they weren't picked up for another album. And that's saying a lot because I liked their album. But this isn't anything through the roof. They needed FM.

In one of her rare moments of lucidity and sheer honesty, in 1977 Stevie said of BN joining FM: "We were nowhere."

[aleuzzi]

I've always assumed that Fleetwood Mac needed Buckingham & Nicks to break through. I now think it might be the other way around.

These past few months I’ve been listening a lot to HEROES. It’s remarkable how polished the core trio sounds through the entire album. You could play the entire set of songs just isolating the drums-bass-keyboards and hear a distinctive SOUND. Even a debatably “lesser” album track like “Born Enchanter” impressed: it plays like an Otis Span blues with a definite jazz swing.

“She’s Changing Me” is a bit of non-derivative Eagles-So Cal rock, before Blue Letter.

And “Bad Loser” paves the way for the driving blues-rock extrapolation that was World Turning.

FM knew what they were and what they wanted. They just needed a bit more market appeal, of which BN, once they settled into the band, could easily provide.

[SteveMacD]

You could play the entire set of songs just isolating the drums-bass-keyboards and hear a distinctive SOUND.

FM knew what they were and what they wanted. They just needed a bit more market appeal, of which BN, once they settled into the band, could easily provide.

You can even kind of hear it as early as Mr. Wonderful (especially “Rollin’ Man”).

Bob Welch’s strength was also his weakness. He was a weird looking, not mainstream musician. Even his poppy love songs had intellectual lyrics. But, it was his Carlos Castaneda-inspired jazz-soul-funk that stood out. It made for compelling music that holds up, but it had a ceiling as far as commercial potential went.

Christine was Christine. Stevie and Lindsey completed a mainstream pop package. They had the look, the sound, and the pop songs that complimented what Christine had already been doing. Furthermore, they believed they’d be rock songs, which Bob really didn’t. That gave Fleetwood Mac five people who thought it was possible and believed they were going to do it.

[bwboy]

What is the name of the Stevie Nicks song that begins at 32:00? It is somewhat reminiscent of what would later become "Silver Springs".

I've always assumed that Fleetwood Mac needed Buckingham & Nicks to break through. I now think it might be the other way around.

The music of that song is incredibly catchy!

The beauty of the Rumours 5 for me was that they needed each other. I truly believe that their success hinged on each member, especially the three songwriters. Without even one, I truly don’t believe they would have had the success they had.

[Villavic]

Yes, Mick mentions it while telling about the BN farewell tour.

At the last show, Lindsey announced that they were joining Fleetwood Mac, and the audience could only gape, silently. What, Lindsey Buckingham wondered, were they getting themselves into?
But their luck had turned.
Years later, Stevie confided: "We fell into the American Dream out of nowhere. We were just nowhere."

[Macfan4life]

Yes, Mick mentions it while telling about the BN farewell tour.

At the last show, Lindsey announced that they were joining Fleetwood Mac, and the audience could only gape, silently. What, Lindsey Buckingham wondered, were they getting themselves into?
But their luck had turned.
Years later, Stevie confided: "We fell into the American Dream out of nowhere. We were just nowhere."
Stevie said in the early 80s that they were better then then they were now. Do you remember the interview I think with Mary Turner where Stevie bashes the Rolling Stone review that calls her voice callow? This is the interview I am talking about. The interviewer says something like "but your voice is so unique" and Stevie tells the Rolling Stone story. But then she adds " We exactly did not get people falling out of their chairs telling us how good we were before we joined Fleetwood Mac. But we were better then than we are now because we worked and practiced every day.'
Granted Stevie was projecting a bit because she was ditching recording for partying in those days. But you could sense the resentment in her voice that joining Fleetwood Mac had people falling out of their chairs telling them how good they were.

[Macfan4life]

Rumours is considered one of the best albums of all time. This concert gives glimpses into that album and actually includes a song on Rumours. To hear these organic samples from that album is really incredible.

[SteveMacD]

"We exactly did not get people falling out of their chairs telling us how good we were before we joined Fleetwood Mac. But we were better then than we are now because we worked and practiced every day.'
Granted Stevie was projecting a bit because she was ditching recording for partying in those days. But you could sense the resentment in her voice that joining Fleetwood Mac had people falling out of their chairs telling them how good they were.
That’s not how I read it.

I took it as her way of acknowledging that they worked harder as an entity back then and were tighter than what they became after joining Fleetwood Mac. They were able to have something cohesive. Joining Fleetwood Mac might have gotten them acclaim, it hurt how they functioned as an entity. They fractured and it kept getting worse over time.

[HomerMcvie]

That’s not how I read it.

I took it as her way of acknowledging that they worked harder as an entity back then and were tighter than what they became after joining Fleetwood Mac. They were able to have something cohesive. Joining Fleetwood Mac might have gotten them acclaim, it hurt how they functioned as an entity. They fractured and it kept getting worse over time.

Cocaine and a love of the big D would've kept her from that anyway.

[sue]

Cocaine and a love of the big D would've kept her from that anyway.

Dallas ??
I didn’t know Stevie liked Dallas particularly..

[jbrownsjr]

That’s not how I read it.

I took it as her way of acknowledging that they worked harder as an entity back then and were tighter than what they became after joining Fleetwood Mac. They were able to have something cohesive. Joining Fleetwood Mac might have gotten them acclaim, it hurt how they functioned as an entity. They fractured and it kept getting worse over time.

That's how I read it, too. I think drugs, ego etc.. only fed all this.

[Macfan4life]

That’s not how I read it.

I took it as her way of acknowledging that they worked harder as an entity back then and were tighter than what they became after joining Fleetwood Mac. They were able to have something cohesive. Joining Fleetwood Mac might have gotten them acclaim, it hurt how they functioned as an entity. They fractured and it kept getting worse over time.
We seem to say the same thing yet you say you disagree with me all the time. What you said is exactly how I took it. She definitely thought they were tighter and worked harder in those days.
If you hear the interview you can sense resentment in her voice about people suddenly falling out of their chairs at them today when they were just as good before joining Fleetwood Mac.
What are you thinking I am saying?

[SteveMacD]

We seem to say the same thing yet you say you disagree with me all the time. What you said is exactly how I took it. She definitely thought they were tighter and worked harder in those days.
If you hear the interview you can sense resentment in her voice about people suddenly falling out of their chairs at them today when they were just as good before joining Fleetwood Mac.
What are you thinking I am saying?

It read to me like you were saying Stevie thought Buckingham Nicks were better than Fleetwood Mac, whereas I read it as she thought she and Lindsey were better as an entity when they were Buckingham Nicks because they worked together every day. I’m sure Stevie resented people not falling out of their seats sooner, just as I think Mick and Christine felt vindicated for all of their years of recording and touring (John seemed to resent the “overnight success” narrative).

[jbrownsjr]

It read to me like you were saying Stevie thought Buckingham Nicks were better than Fleetwood Mac, whereas I read it as she thought she and Lindsey were better as an entity when they were Buckingham Nicks because they worked together every day. I’m sure Stevie resented people not falling out of their seats sooner, just as I think Mick and Christine felt vindicated for all of their years of recording and touring (John seemed to resent the “overnight success” narrative).

From most of the Stevie interviews I've listened to. I always felt the sentiment from her: "Thank God, we joined this band." and sort of, "we needed help." And I think LB resented that notion because, he wanted FULL control of the music direction and concept. He didn't want to deal with another singer or writer. Until, World Turning. And then I think he realized there was an opportunity for him to be in a great band.

However, I don't think he fully appreciated it until The Dance thru BuckVie era.

[SteveMacD]

From most of the Stevie interviews I've listened to. I always felt the sentiment from her: "Thank God, we joined this band." and sort of, "we needed help." And I think LB resented that notion because, he wanted FULL control of the music direction and concept. He didn't want to deal with another singer or writer. Until, World Turning. And then I think he realized there was an opportunity for him to be in a great band.

However, I don't think he fully appreciated it until The Dance thru BuckVie era.

I always got the impression he resented joining and being in Fleetwood Mac. OOTC tanking, having his 1995 album rejected, and having Rob Cavallo stuck on him by the label humbled him. However, I also think the success of The Dance surprised him and I think he realized the only way he was doing arenas was with Fleetwood Mac.

[jbrownsjr]

I always got the impression he resented joining and being in Fleetwood Mac. OOTC tanking, having his 1995 album rejected, and having Rob Cavallo stuck on him by the label humbled him. However, I also think the success of The Dance surprised him and I think he realized the only way he was doing arenas was with Fleetwood Mac.

Yea.... ^^ that too. He was going with FM because when the teat is that large, everybody gets in line. But, by Mirage, he was so completely over FM. And over Stevie's antics and addictions. I think he does now realize what the Brits did for him.

[aleuzzi]

I think he does now realize what the Brits did for him.

Certainly, in interviews, he honors Mick and the bond that formed between them. I’m thinking of that interview he did with Nile Rogers which was all about how he and Mick had a special musical connection. That he has enlisted Mick many times for his solo projects confirms this.

He knows John and Christine’s worth, too, but has often underplayed what each of them brought to the table. Even when he has spoken of the “magical” connection between him and Christine, he still has not given get her full due for the success of Mirage and Tango. He admires her “commitment to craft” but almost never speaks of her singing voice, never talks about her keyboard skills, and doesn’t credit her attention to studio arrangements. She was “always at the boards” with him when recording albums. He taught her a lot, but she certainly taught him, too.

[Macfan4life]

It read to me like you were saying Stevie thought Buckingham Nicks were better than Fleetwood Mac, whereas I read it as she thought she and Lindsey were better as an entity when they were Buckingham Nicks because they worked together every day. I’m sure Stevie resented people not falling out of their seats sooner, just as I think Mick and Christine felt vindicated for all of their years of recording and touring (John seemed to resent the “overnight success” narrative).
Yes exactly. However you realize there is a very, very fine line in distinguishing what you are saying. Yes she definitely thinks they were better then because they practiced every day. But when you practice every day, does it not make you better? I am not trying to be devil's advocate but its just the reality of the statement. I dont know if you heard the clip before but her tone was a tad angry circling back to what the interviewer commented on that her voice was so unique. She uses the Rolling Stone article to go on the attack about that as if saying ....yes everyone says my voice is unique today and we sell millions of records but my voice was unique then and we worked harder why were we not acknowledged? Its not an attack on Fleetwood Mac. Its her going after the doubters of Buckingham Nicks and the reviews of her first Fleetwood Mac album. She's not saying she is not thankful for being in Fleetwood Mac. She is going after her critics who now are praising her. I think the confusion between us is the context of her statements. Have you heard the interview? She always sounded angry in it. Its where she also says she says she does not want to get old and tour too much. She says rock n roll people in their 40s look like their 50s and 60s and she does not want that to happen to her. Then she says no matter how much you drink or dont drink, its really hard to get through those long Fleetwood Mac tours.
This was also the era of her being the "baby sister" in interviews. She's projecting her insecurity.

And what is she doing? She's on the road as an old woman something she claimed she did not want to happen.

[jbrownsjr]

She was “always at the boards” with him when recording albums. He taught her a lot, but she certainly taught him, too.

If one listens to, In The Meantime, they would hear how much she helped him. I was kind of bored during his 2018 tour. She also gave him a spark and made him better. (like Christine does for everyone).

Edit: I actually hear some Tango elements with her vocals on this album.

[Villavic]

However, I also think the success of The Dance surprised him and I think he realized the only way he was doing arenas was with Fleetwood Mac.

I don't think he realized it since The Dance. Fleetwood Mac filled arenas without him during Tango tour. And rejoining the band was more than certain that they would fill stadiums again, and if it weren't for Christine the tour would have been longer and worldwide. The 90s was the reunions decade, with Eagles and other bands precedents, there was no surprise.

[Macfan4life]

I don't think he realized it since The Dance. Fleetwood Mac filled arenas without him during Tango tour. And rejoining the band was more than certain that they would fill stadiums again, and if it weren't for Christine the tour would have been longer and worldwide. The 90s was the reunions decade, with Eagles and other bands precedents, there was no surprise.
The Tango tour was based on Lindsey's album and produced hit singles with videos of him in them. The album was successful and yes the tour was successful. The next album without Lindsey was not successful and the tour did not pack them in like the Tango tour. I saw basically a sold out show in Pittsburgh in 1987 but the Farewell tour in 1990 had about only 2/3 full of the same arena. At the time I felt it being a sad farewell attendance for a supergroup. Stevie's OTSOTM tour one year earlier in the same arena had far more in attendance.

[David]

I always got the impression he resented joining and being in Fleetwood Mac.

There was a brief window of time while they were recording Tusk when he was enthusiastic about the band’s future because he assumed the rest of them were gladly following him into new territory and aligned with his musical aspirations. Mick, particularly, filled him with hope about the kind of band Lindsey wanted Mac to be. But Lindsey wasn’t reading the room accurately. Far from wanting to take Mac down a new path, the others were only sitting back after a commercial blockbuster and letting Lindsey unfold his wings. But they were doing so only half-heartedly — or quarter-heartedly. The two McVies were pretty clear about not loving some of the music they were recording, Nicks didn’t have much authority in the band dynamic, and nutty Fleetwood was only having a little fun with Buckingham for a spell, like kids at recess.

In 1978, Buckingham believed he was in a band of edgy artistic allies. It was a failure of intelligence on his part, and the truth hit him probably even before the tour was over, as the backlash set in (probably from label executives even before the members said anything).

This is why his talk about legacy this past decade is so out of character for him. It’s not that I don’t believe him, but it’s definitely an about-face from his attitude about the band for forty years. He had some bizarro awakening about how good the band really was.

[SteveMacD]

I don't think he realized it since The Dance. Fleetwood Mac filled arenas without him during Tango tour. And rejoining the band was more than certain that they would fill stadiums again, and if it weren't for Christine the tour would have been longer and worldwide. The 90s was the reunions decade, with Eagles and other bands precedents, there was no surprise.

I was talking about it from Lindsey’s end. He’d never toured solo prior to 1993 and I think he was shocked by how little demand there was for him as a solo artist. Fast forward to 1997, and he’s playing arenas again in one of the biggest bands in the world. I think that’s something he took for granted.

Fleetwood Mac was fine without him so long as Stevie was in the band. BTM might not have been successful by Rumours-era Fleetwood Mac standards, but it was still a pretty successful album, and they were still an arena band.

This is why his talk about legacy this past decade is so out of character for him. It’s not that I don’t believe him, but it’s definitely an about-face from his attitude about the band for forty years. He had some bizarro awakening about how good the band really was.
Wild theory, but maybe it had something to do with revisiting all of that material for the deluxe edition reissues.

[Macfan4life]

I was talking about it from Lindsey’s end. He’d never toured solo prior to 1993 and I think he was shocked by how little demand there was for him as a solo artist. Fast forward to 1997, and he’s playing arenas again in one of the biggest bands in the world. I think that’s something he took for granted.

Fleetwood Mac was fine without him so long as Stevie was in the band. BTM might not have been successful by Rumours-era Fleetwood Mac standards, but it was still a pretty successful album, and they were still an arena band.


Wild theory, but maybe it had something to do with revisiting all of that material for the deluxe edition reissues.
I think it was the big money machine that made him come back and sort of change his tune about legacy. He was already rich but in the old days of the 70s and 80s, the bands and especially the writers made the most money off album sales. Tours were supplemental for the mega groups. Smaller bands who did not sell as many albums relied more on touring. However the late 90s and the cash grab tours changed all that. Suddenly one tour could gross more money than all of their touring combined. When there is that kind of money on the table, its really hard to resist. I think as Lindsey got older he also got more grounded. In 1982 he told Cream magazine that he did not want to tour anymore once he turned 40.
In the 70s' 80's you could see a concert for $15.00 or less almost what an album would cost. Today the cheapest tickets are well over $200 with many closer seats selling for thousands. Tours can gross over 1 million for one night.
Money changes everything.

[jbrownsjr]

Fleetwood Mac was fine without him so long as Stevie was in the band. BTM might not have been successful by Rumours-era Fleetwood Mac standards, but it was still a pretty successful album, and they were still an arena band.



I agree. The Cleveland crowd at the BTM tour was full house and ravenous for them. I remember thinking, wow they actually really gel "as a band" and not some individuals stroking their own egos. Stevie was sedated of course.

[SteveMacD]

I agree. The Cleveland crowd at the BTM tour was full house and ravenous for them. I remember thinking, wow they actually really gel "as a band" and not some individuals stroking their own egos. Stevie was sedated of course.

I saw them at the Capital Music Center in Grove City and it was packed. It was a great show, the highlight being “Stop Messin’ Round” for me.

[jbrownsjr]

I saw them at the Capital Music Center in Grove City and it was packed. It was a great show, the highlight being “Stop Messin’ Round” for me.

I still can't believe they performed: Don't Me Let Me Down Again. I never knew they broke this out. It's so damn good!! Billy was made for this song. Rick rips through it. Christine and John come thru loud and clear. Stevie nails it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYAa2RT0x3I

It's better than the B/N live version that's for sure. Just incredible.

[Macfan4life]

I still can't believe they performed: Don't Me Let Me Down Again. I never knew they broke this out. It's so damn good!! Billy was made for this song. Rick rips through it. Christine and John come thru loud and clear. Stevie nails it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYAa2RT0x3I

It's better than the B/N live version that's for sure. Just incredible.
I preferred the Tango setlist with that song. I was lucky to see both Rhiannon and Gypsy before they were dropped. Gypsy was really good. But BTM re-introduced Landslide which was groundbreaking. Funny to think that today. IMHO the band sounded better in 1990 esp with new original music with those members. Opening with In The Back Of My Mind was genius.

[jbrownsjr]

I preferred the Tango setlist with that song. I was lucky to see both Rhiannon and Gypsy before they were dropped. Gypsy was really good. But BTM re-introduced Landslide which was groundbreaking. Funny to think that today. IMHO the band sounded better in 1990 esp with new original music with those members. Opening with In The Back Of My Mind was genius.

The Tango Show was good. But, the BTM show was on fire.

[anusha]

I'm super impressed with some of the songs on this bootleg -- Heartbreaker is really so good. It's a shame it never found a home on any of the subsequent FM/LB releases. And you can see how Frozen Love really sticks out as a fully realized song. But you do see how BN might never have found an audience without the addition of Mick, John and Christine -- the BN songs don't always have a finished sound to them, especially when played live. FM brought a rounder sound to BN, and also the chemistry they had as a group musically was an X factor that you couldn't get from either entity separately. The two forces uniting really was a Reese's peanut butter cup moment.

As for Stevie saying BN was better rehearsed than FM -- I'm sure they were. It's literally all they did. But in 1984, she was riding a huge wave of solo success and was not keen on FM at all, so she was also trying to say that FM weren't all that -- if she hadn't hit rock bottom during RAL, maybe she would have just gone all in on a solo career at some point. TITN being a big success was a big incentive to stick around (a cycle that would repeat with the success of The Dance and relatively poor reception of Street Angel).

Lindsey clearly has a complex about not feeling appropriately recognized for his contributions to the band, and it has manifested itself as him being less vocal about the contributions the other members of FM made to the band's success. It's not right, but it's a character flaw that has been apparent for a long time, and it's not likely to change. Not when Stevie is out there co-headlining auditoriums and having the market power to boot him from FM. Their twisted dynamic has done neither of them favors as human beings. I do think LB has done more work (therapy?) and been forced to deal with more of the real world (family/marriage), so is not cray-delulu, but neither of them is a role model for kindness or humility.

[David]

I saw them at the Capital Music Center in Grove City and it was packed. It was a great show, the highlight being “Stop Messin’ Round” for me.

I got to see them sing “When the Sun Goes Down” with Chris on accordion and see Stevie swish around in a short-short skirt. This was during the June leg, up in Northern CA. But I was bored, bored, bored. This was my Alban Berg phase.

[David]

Lindsey clearly has a complex about not feeling appropriately recognized for his contributions to the band, and it has manifested itself as him being less vocal about the contributions the other members of FM made to the band's success.

You hit the nail on the head here, Anusha.

How often do you do all the behind-the-scenes labor on a project, only to have your higher-visibility boss step forward and say, “I now present my project, with thanks to my team”?

“With thanks to Lindsey Buckingham” on the album sleeve turned him into a very unhappy fellow because it was so dismissive.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm super impressed with some of the songs on this bootleg -- Heartbreaker is really so good. It's a shame it never found a home on any of the subsequent FM/LB releases. And you can see how Frozen Love really sticks out as a fully realized song. But you do see how BN might never have found an audience without the addition of Mick, John and Christine -- the BN songs don't always have a finished sound to them, especially when played live. FM brought a rounder sound to BN, and also the chemistry they had as a group musically was an X factor that you couldn't get from either entity separately. The two forces uniting really was a Reese's peanut butter cup moment.

As for Stevie saying BN was better rehearsed than FM -- I'm sure they were. It's literally all they did. But in 1984, she was riding a huge wave of solo success and was not keen on FM at all, so she was also trying to say that FM weren't all that -- if she hadn't hit rock bottom during RAL, maybe she would have just gone all in on a solo career at some point. TITN being a big success was a big incentive to stick around (a cycle that would repeat with the success of The Dance and relatively poor reception of Street Angel).

Lindsey clearly has a complex about not feeling appropriately recognized for his contributions to the band, and it has manifested itself as him being less vocal about the contributions the other members of FM made to the band's success. It's not right, but it's a character flaw that has been apparent for a long time, and it's not likely to change. Not when Stevie is out there co-headlining auditoriums and having the market power to boot him from FM. Their twisted dynamic has done neither of them favors as human beings. I do think LB has done more work (therapy?) and been forced to deal with more of the real world (family/marriage), so is not cray-delulu, but neither of them is a role model for kindness or humility.

I love how honest this accessment is. Christine's secret weapon was "giving zero ****s" God I miss her.

[jbrownsjr]

I got to see them sing “When the Sun Goes Down” with Chris on accordion and see Stevie swish around in a short-short skirt. This was during the June leg, up in Northern CA. But I was bored, bored, bored. This was my Alban Berg phase.

I remember someone (possibly you) say how flat that tour had become.