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bwboy
09-10-2023, 07:59 AM
I saw online that Glyn Johns released a book about his career working with various artists, which had additional links at the end of the article. One article in particular caught my eye- it said that Unconditional Love was supposed to have been the first single, and that a video had been shot for it. It also said pictures from the video shoot are in the Enchanted booklet.
It also said God’s Garden, Inspiration, and another song called I Call You Missing were removed from the album at Stevie’s request when she got out of rehab, and were replaced with Docklands, Listen to the Rain, and one or two other songs. I Call You Missing has never been heard by the public, or at least not when that article initially appeared.
Stevie also said Johns wouldn’t allow Waddy to play on Street Angel, saying he wasn’t needed. However, wasn’t the recording of SA about the same time he was charged with child pornography? If so, I figure that was more likely the reason, but I could be wrong about the timetable.
Are these well known anecdotes?
Macfan4life
09-10-2023, 09:03 AM
Yes I think that is all commonly known. There were photos posted here and online of Street Angel promotion posters that lists "the new single Unconditional Love." The album was going for release and then things got "complicated."
Glyn Johns wanted Stevie to sing a song that his son wrote. It was recorded for the album but in her meltdown and retaliation she removed it from the album.
I understand why Stevie does not like the album. The time brings back horrific memories of her brutal rehab, her weight gain and critics, her fried hair, and an album and single that did not chart. She also was not drawing huge crowds on her tour and the southern leg was cancelled (but not officially announced yet).
I am in the minority but I like the album. It has great raw material. Yes it has duds. But I love Blue Denim, Greta, Listen to the rain, Love is like a river, Docklands, Rose Garden, and Maybe Love Will Change your mind. I usually hate songs that others wrote and she sings but Maybe Love is the exception. She sings with heart as if she wrote it. I hate the title track, Unconditional Love and Kick it.
And good heavens, I like Jane too. I cant understand the hate for Jane because of the word chimpanzee like the hate for Docklands because of the word laundromat. But to each their own.
Glyn Johns is known for his work but not easy to get along with. My hunch is that he did not like her work ethic. He was probably holding her accountable to show up on time which NO ONE ever dared do before. And it went downhill from there.
The album has a country rock vibe that suits her really well. All of her criticism makes no sense. She claims the vocals needed redone and the songs needed Waddy. Her vocals on the album are excellent. Its the last album with her traditional rasp. She went flat for the Dance and TISRL.
I cant even imagine how difficult it was working with her during peak klonopin addiction. So while she deflects her hate towards Johns she needs to acknowledge her own behavior. Stevie even commented when she got out of Betty Ford and started klonopin she would show up late during Tango sessions which irked Lindsey. Can you imagine what it was like in 1993? Glyn was there to work and produce and not be a therapist and cheerleader. He was not worshipping at the altar of Stevie Nicks and that was a problem.
Of course it was a problem.
Frontline baby!
Yes Macfan4life you are right on point. I also enjoyed most of Street Angel and that tour she really sounded good. That was also when I met her (along with my wife and twin daughters) and it was bittersweet. Have been a fan of hers since 1977 it wasn’t as obvious of her decline over the years as I followed her. I always saw the positive in the next release of hers (Mac or solo) but looking back and adding all the commentary from “fans” of hers over the years…..It gives me a very different perspective.
bwboy
09-10-2023, 08:29 PM
Yes I think that is all commonly known. There were photos posted here and online of Street Angel promotion posters that lists "the new single Unconditional Love." The album was going for release and then things got "complicated."
Glyn Johns wanted Stevie to sing a song that his son wrote. It was recorded for the album but in her meltdown and retaliation she removed it from the album.
I am in the minority but I like the album. It has great raw material. Yes it has duds. But I love Blue Denim, Greta, Listen to the rain, Love is like a river, Docklands, Rose Garden, and Maybe Love Will Change your mind. I usually hate songs that others wrote and she sings but Maybe Love is the exception. She sings with heart as if she wrote it. I hate the title track, Unconditional Love and Kick it.
And good heavens, I like Jane too. I cant understand the hate for Jane because of the word chimpanzee like the hate for Docklands because of the word laundromat. But to each their own.
I don’t think Stevie removed Inspiration or God’s Garden out of retaliation. I mean, they’re horrible songs. If she came to that decision after rehab, then rehab definitely worked! Listen to the Rain and Love is Like a River replaced Inspiration and God’s Garden, and like you said, they’re two of her better songs on this album.
Street Angel is an odd listen for me. I can’t say I love any songs on it, but there are some I do like. I can give you probably five more reasons I hate Docklands besides her use of the word laundromat LOL.
I love Unconditional Love, but absolutely can see why they scrapped making that a single. That just shows how much trouble they had deciding on which song to release first. I do recall a press release shortly before SA was released saying Blue Denim was the lead single. The fact that no video was shot for Maybe Love tells me that was a last minute decision to release it.
Wish we could see the video for Unconditional Love.
blinker12
09-10-2023, 09:50 PM
^Inspiration is decent, IMO, but God’s Garden is jaw-droppingly bad. Her vocal performance on GG certainly doesn’t help, either.
Macfan4life
09-11-2023, 04:41 AM
I don’t think Stevie removed Inspiration or God’s Garden out of retaliation. I mean, they’re horrible songs. If she came to that decision after rehab, then rehab definitely worked! Listen to the Rain and Love is Like a River replaced Inspiration and God’s Garden, and like you said, they’re two of her better songs on this album.
Street Angel is an odd listen for me. I can’t say I love any songs on it, but there are some I do like. I can give you probably five more reasons I hate Docklands besides her use of the word laundromat LOL.
I love Unconditional Love, but absolutely can see why they scrapped making that a single. That just shows how much trouble they had deciding on which song to release first. I do recall a press release shortly before SA was released saying Blue Denim was the lead single. The fact that no video was shot for Maybe Love tells me that was a last minute decision to release it.
Wish we could see the video for Unconditional Love.
We have completely different tastes and likes and dislikes. When I first heard Unconditional Love I thought it was a joke song. Its the cheeziest song ever and I hate when Stevie stoops so low to sing those kinds of songs. Its like Everyday IMHO. I also hate the Bob Dylan remake Just Like A Woman. That was a mistake and someone should have been brave enough to tell her.
I was really shocked Maybe Love did not crack the top 40. Although the radio station where I lived in 1994 played the hell out of that song.
Have you heard the Glyn version of Jane? Its almost like a HAEWAFY piano sort of ballad. She does a great vocal on it too. The album version is more slower and synth keyboards added.
This version is so beautiful and good vocal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxBgdMDmHKI
bwboy
09-11-2023, 08:13 PM
We have completely different tastes and likes and dislikes. When I first heard Unconditional Love I thought it was a joke song. Its the cheeziest song ever and I hate when Stevie stoops so low to sing those kinds of songs. Its like Everyday IMHO. I also hate the Bob Dylan remake Just Like A Woman. That was a mistake and someone should have been brave enough to tell her.
I was really shocked Maybe Love did not crack the top 40. Although the radio station where I lived in 1994 played the hell out of that song.
Have you heard the Glyn version of Jane? Its almost like a HAEWAFY piano sort of ballad. She does a great vocal on it too. The album version is more slower and synth keyboards added.
This version is so beautiful and good vocal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxBgdMDmHKI
Thank you so much for the link! That is a much better version of Jane. You’re right, it brings HAEWAFY to mind, and that’s a compliment. I read in the comment section that the only time Stevie performed Jane live, she got emotional and Sara Fleetwood had to finish the song, and Stevie had the audio and video destroyed. That’s too bad, and I wonder if Sara was allowed to keep a copy, since she finished the song. Would have been nice for her resume LOL!
Unconditional Love cheesy? I cannot deny that, and what can I say- I love cheese! I think Stevie’s vocals are great, but the backup vocals are too, I don’t know, pronounced for me. The way they sing “Un-con-dit-ion-al love” is very distracting and does kind of make it sound like a parody. But it is still so much better than Everyday! She sounds so flat on that song, and it was clearly a deliberate decision on her part to sing it that way.
WatchChain
09-11-2023, 08:27 PM
The recording and release of "Street Angel" was an interesting time to be a Stevie Nicks fan - most notably because her lukewarm career was on life support by 1994.
The Dance reunion tour just three years later in 1997 made Stevie and Fleetwood Mac cool and relevant again. However, there was a short period of time in the early 90's when Stevie and Fleetwood Mac were box office poison.
She played a few half empty outdoor sheds on the Street Angel tour. I scored second row tickets on this tour because, frankly, there wasn't much demand.
Thankfully, with the induction with Fleetwood Mac to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1998, Stevie's career regained momentum.
Macfan4life
09-12-2023, 05:33 AM
The recording and release of "Street Angel" was an interesting time to be a Stevie Nicks fan - most notably because her lukewarm career was on life support by 1994.
The Dance reunion tour just three years later in 1997 made Stevie and Fleetwood Mac cool and relevant again. However, there was a short period of time in the early 90's when Stevie and Fleetwood Mac were box office poison.
She played a few half empty outdoor sheds on the Street Angel tour. I scored second row tickets on this tour because, frankly, there wasn't much demand.
Thankfully, with the induction with Fleetwood Mac to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1998, Stevie's career regained momentum.
Yes. It was her first solo album since leaving Fleetwood Mac and it tanked. However it is certified gold. The Dance made all Mac albums including pre-Nicks ones and all solo albums sell more copies.
Her albums always seemed to fit the music in the year it was released. For example Bella Donna fit perfectly into 1981 guitar based rock. Wild Heart fit perfectly into 1983 with more keyboards and less guitar. RAL fit into the pop music world perfectly in 1985 synth pop drum machines. OSOTM tried to grasp the last magic of the 1980s slick production.
Street Angel did not fit with the music industry in 1994. However that is the reason why I like it. It was not following trends and had its own sound. If you strip all the vocals off the album, the music and tracks are really good (for the most part). That is why her next album TISRL sucked IMHO. The music tracks were so weak and her singing flat. My duds are the title track, Destiny, Unconditional Love, Just Like A Woman, and Kick it. But the rest of it is pretty good. But I like BTM too for many of the same reasons. The album has depth and good music and not chasing pop success. I could even paint with a broad brush and say that is one criticism I have of Wild Heart. She was a solo star now and Jimmy did not want the sophomore jinx. So Wild Heart is very safe in some aspects and lighter pop than its predecessor.
The album brings me back to my first apartment. It was small and if you went to the balcony and looked hard right there was a lake. So I used to tell myself "oooh I've got a movie star view" I also think Docklands has a great chorus to sing along to.
You are correct bwboy. The way the word Uncondional is sung in that song is annoying and a joke :lol:
My favorite track is Listen To The Rain. Its so autobiographical and I love Stevie songs where she sings about herself.
Listen to what some rock stars said of working with Glyn Johns:
Eric Clapton:
He was a disciplinarian who did not like people mucking about or wasting time. When we were in the studio we were expected to work and he'd get frustrated if there was any goofing off. Even though we were all getting stoned or drunk we responded to that quite well. He brought out the best in us, and as a result that album [Slowhand] has great playing and a great atmosphere
Pete Townsend:
Glyn was my model of what a good producer should be—someone who guides the music and creates the right sound—and there was a great mutual respect and fondness between us. We were both perfectionists in the studio who worked quickly. It was his work as an engineer on the early Who sessions ... that made them sound so great.
I dont see someone who is addicted to tranquilizers working well with someone like that
Villavic
09-12-2023, 10:20 AM
However, there was a short period of time in the early 90's when Stevie and Fleetwood Mac were box office poison.
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Of course because, to many people, that wasn't Fleetwood Mac any more. Including me, about the Time lineup. And about the BTM lineup, it was hardly Fleetwood Mac.
David
09-12-2023, 12:33 PM
The only thing I remember about the Waddy thing is what Stevie told someone or other in 1994 — Mary Turner from Off the Record or Mark and Brian — that Glyn had told her: “This album doesn’t need Waddy Wachtel.” Stevie said she could only look at Glyn with the lower half of her jaw open, in complete shock.
(Actually, Glyn had a point.)
mikemono411
09-12-2023, 03:15 PM
I only listened to the album once and didn’t like it. But with the new boxset I went back to it and like it considerably more than I did before. A lot of the songs are duds or trying too hard or plodding along (Docklands, Unconditional Love, Jane). However, I do *love* the three songs she wrote with Mirk Campbell’s music (Blue Denim, Greta, Kick It), and I *like* “Rose Garden” (though I think I prefer the ‘Enchanted’ version?) and “Maybe Love will Change Your Mind.”
Nicks Fan
09-13-2023, 09:25 PM
Waddy was busted in 1998 and MTV did an article about it.
I think Street Angel and 24 Karat Gold are her worst albums. Her voice is fine on Street Angel but the majority of tracks are not that good. I only like really Blue Denim, and Maybe Love.
With 24 Karat Gold her voice is way too nasal and some of the demos are awful like Cathouse Blues. The album felt way too rushed like they didn't take their time to get the best vocals.
https://www.mtv.com/news/0sh522/guitarist-wachtel-busted-for-child-pornography
Robert Wachtel, 52, better known as Waddy Wachtel, veteran session guitarist, was arrested Thursday at his Los Angeles home for possession of kiddie cyberporn, according to the Associated Press. Wachtel most recently played on the Rolling Stones' Bridges To Babylon album. His other credits include session work for Linda Ronstadt, Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac. Wachtel was part of Keith Richards' side band, the X-Pensive Winos, and toured with Nicks numerous times. He also co-produced Richards' 1988 Talk Is Cheap album. According to Los Angeles police, Wachtel was arrested along with his 55-year-old wife, Annie. In addition to items found on a computer, police allegedly discovered printed copies of kiddie porn materials. Wachtel was booked for possession and duplication of child porn; his wife was charged only with possession. These charges are considered misdemeanors for first-time offenders. But Wachtel is also facing a drug possession charge from an incident last month when police allegedly found cocaine during a raid on the Wachtel house. The Wachtels posted $10,000 bail each and were released. Arraignment is scheduled for later in July.
bwboy
09-14-2023, 09:02 AM
Waddy was busted in 1998 and MTV did an article about it.
https://www.mtv.com/news/0sh522/guitarist-wachtel-busted-for-child-pornography
Robert Wachtel, 52, better known as Waddy Wachtel, veteran session guitarist, was arrested Thursday at his Los Angeles home for possession of kiddie cyberporn, according to the Associated Press. Wachtel most recently played on the Rolling Stones' Bridges To Babylon album. His other credits include session work for Linda Ronstadt, Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac. Wachtel was part of Keith Richards' side band, the X-Pensive Winos, and toured with Nicks numerous times. He also co-produced Richards' 1988 Talk Is Cheap album. According to Los Angeles police, Wachtel was arrested along with his 55-year-old wife, Annie. In addition to items found on a computer, police allegedly discovered printed copies of kiddie porn materials. Wachtel was booked for possession and duplication of child porn; his wife was charged only with possession. These charges are considered misdemeanors for first-time offenders. But Wachtel is also facing a drug possession charge from an incident last month when police allegedly found cocaine during a raid on the Wachtel house. The Wachtels posted $10,000 bail each and were released. Arraignment is scheduled for later in July.
Thank you, Nicks Fan! I find it very interesting that even though Glyn Johns apparently didn’t want Waddy on the SA album, Stevie didn’t use him on the SA tour. Maybe he was already booked doing something else? I enjoyed Rick Vito’s stint as guitarist and musical director of the SA tour and wish he would have continued with that a bit longer.
The whole Waddy thing is disturbing to me. I don’t know the facts and he was eventually cleared of the charges, but it still makes me queasy so I try not to think about it.
bombaysaffires
09-14-2023, 01:08 PM
Thank you, Nicks Fan! I find it very interesting that even though Glyn Johns apparently didn’t want Waddy on the SA album, Stevie didn’t use him on the SA tour. Maybe he was already booked doing something else? I enjoyed Rick Vito’s stint as guitarist and musical director of the SA tour and wish he would have continued with that a bit longer.
The whole Waddy thing is disturbing to me. I don’t know the facts and he was eventually cleared of the charges, but it still makes me queasy so I try not to think about it.
Stevie and Waddy had a falling out for several years at one point, and then they made up and he was back. I don't recall the timing of that, and whether it related to his legal issues, or fallout from an affair they supposedly had had on the road (big surprise).... but he was gone from her "scene" for a block of time
Macfan4life
09-16-2023, 10:01 AM
Thank you so much for the link! That is a much better version of Jane. You’re right, it brings HAEWAFY to mind, and that’s a compliment. I read in the comment section that the only time Stevie performed Jane live, she got emotional and Sara Fleetwood had to finish the song, and Stevie had the audio and video destroyed. That’s too bad, and I wonder if Sara was allowed to keep a copy, since she finished the song. Would have been nice for her resume LOL!
Unconditional Love cheesy? I cannot deny that, and what can I say- I love cheese! I think Stevie’s vocals are great, but the backup vocals are too, I don’t know, pronounced for me. The way they sing “Un-con-dit-ion-al love” is very distracting and does kind of make it sound like a parody. But it is still so much better than Everyday! She sounds so flat on that song, and it was clearly a deliberate decision on her part to sing it that way.
I think this is the version where she got emotional. This was recorded just as the Whole Lotta Trouble tour ended. Its ok but very lethargic. Klonopin was killing her. But I still like the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qveKi3kwSUk
bombaysaffires
09-16-2023, 12:25 PM
I think this is the version where she got emotional. This was recorded just as the Whole Lotta Trouble tour ended. Its ok but very lethargic. Klonopin was killing her. But I still like the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qveKi3kwSUk
For me, it's just not a good song, no matter how you slice it.. .:sorry: It always makes me feel slightly embarrassed for her. I appreciate her idea, but the execution of it is terrible (ymmv). I've said it a lot, but she's a writer who needs an editor but refuses to accept that. Her ideas need help to be shaped into viable recordings; she's too emotionally attached to specific words a lot of the time....(and she often overuses the same word in a song until it dilutes the meaning and impact). Mabel Normand is another train wreck of a song lyrically but some body shaped it musically into more of a rocker which semi-helps it; Blue Lamp is a terrible song as a song, but Jimmy really worked the arrangement and made it sorta listenable.... but this one, neither arrangement works....this shoulda stayed in the attic.
The pics of her with Joe in that video remind me of the story his then-girlfriend wrote about how Stevie would show up at their house and want to hang with Joe and play him stuff she was writing through all hours of the night, totally disregarding that he was with his new partner and that they were giving clear signals they wanted to go to bed and she should leave.... drugs, man.
Nicks Fan
09-17-2023, 01:28 PM
Stevie and Waddy had a falling out for several years at one point, and then they made up and he was back. I don't recall the timing of that, and whether it related to his legal issues, or fallout from an affair they supposedly had had on the road (big surprise).... but he was gone from her "scene" for a block of time
From what I recall he wasn't in her band from 91-2001. If you watch any of her TV appearances during that time there are different guitar players playing on those shows. But then in 2001 he was back.
Jondalar
09-18-2023, 01:14 AM
I don’t think Stevie removed Inspiration or God’s Garden out of retaliation. I mean, they’re horrible songs. If she came to that decision after rehab, then rehab definitely worked! Listen to the Rain and Love is Like a River replaced Inspiration and God’s Garden, and like you said, they’re two of her better songs on this album.
Street Angel is an odd listen for me. I can’t say I love any songs on it, but there are some I do like. I can give you probably five more reasons I hate Docklands besides her use of the word laundromat LOL.
I love Unconditional Love, but absolutely can see why they scrapped making that a single. That just shows how much trouble they had deciding on which song to release first. I do recall a press release shortly before SA was released saying Blue Denim was the lead single. The fact that no video was shot for Maybe Love tells me that was a last minute decision to release it.
Wish we could see the video for Unconditional Love.
Inspiration was the best song and she removed it. It had a vibe. The album was an embarrassment.
David
09-18-2023, 01:34 PM
From what I recall he wasn't in her band from 91-2001. If you watch any of her TV appearances during that time there are different guitar players playing on those shows. But then in 2001 he was back.
There was that one guy, Frank Simes. Remember Frank? Seemed decent. But I guess he was around only for the Enchanted tour.
I always thought Christopher (Chris?) Cameron was a good keyboard player. But he was around for only one tour, as well.
I think my favorite solo band of hers — besides the lineup of stars on the first two tours — was the Street Angel tour, which had Rick Vito, Liza Jane Edwards, Russ Kunkel, and somebody-or-other on bass. Also had a good keyboardist. The band sounded perfectly adjusted for levels and gain and all that. Maybe the sound guy was great on that tour. They actually sounded clearer than Fleetwood Mac did in 1990. Liza Jane sang a beautiful rendition of “Destiny” in 1994.
secret love
09-22-2023, 01:12 PM
I saw online that Glyn Johns released a book about his career working with various artists, which had additional links at the end of the article. One article in particular caught my eye- it said that Unconditional Love was supposed to have been the first single, and that a video had been shot for it. It also said pictures from the video shoot are in the Enchanted booklet.
It also said God’s Garden, Inspiration, and another song called I Call You Missing were removed from the album at Stevie’s request when she got out of rehab, and were replaced with Docklands, Listen to the Rain, and one or two other songs. I Call You Missing has never been heard by the public, or at least not when that article initially appeared.
Stevie also said Johns wouldn’t allow Waddy to play on Street Angel, saying he wasn’t needed. However, wasn’t the recording of SA about the same time he was charged with child pornography? If so, I figure that was more likely the reason, but I could be wrong about the timetable.
Are these well known anecdotes?
I would not say well known, but I was aware of Waddy being charged with child porn and the timeline seems similar (that part is well known I think).
Also knew that those songs (Inspiration and God's Garden) had been removed at Stevie's request - but had not heard that about I Call You Missing.
Stevie basically re-produced the album, spending two months on it after she was released from rehabilitation. She still says she isn't happy with her vocals and wishes she had got someone to re-record them as well as doing the edits she made to the music.
secret love
09-22-2023, 01:14 PM
There was that one guy, Frank Simes. Remember Frank? Seemed decent. But I guess he was around only for the Enchanted tour.
I always thought Christopher (Chris?) Cameron was a good keyboard player. But he was around for only one tour, as well.
I think my favorite solo band of hers — besides the lineup of stars on the first two tours — was the Street Angel tour, which had Rick Vito, Liza Jane Edwards, Russ Kunkel, and somebody-or-other on bass. Also had a good keyboardist. The band sounded perfectly adjusted for levels and gain and all that. Maybe the sound guy was great on that tour. They actually sounded clearer than Fleetwood Mac did in 1990. Liza Jane sang a beautiful rendition of “Destiny” in 1994.
Link please?
David
09-28-2023, 12:47 PM
Link please?
I just mean the backup vocals that Liza Jane did on the whole tour. Are you able to find an audio for any of the cities on that tour? Here’s a quite decent one from Jones Beach, a little before I saw her in California. Listen to Sharon and Liza Jane really nail the beautiful backups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-bhY3-Jv8w
The more years that go by, the more I miss the great musicianship and singing from this tour. This tour was the true Enchanted tour.
David
09-28-2023, 12:50 PM
Here’s another nice video from the stop in Pittsburgh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRKEjsEQfAs
soul_drifter333
09-29-2023, 08:00 PM
There's a complete pro-shot from the Street Angel tour that's really good. I thought it was on YouTube, but not sure. I saw her twice on that tour and it was some of my favorite shows, especially the Atlanta show. Her vocals and setlist were spot on. The backdrop was a giant framed picture that the lights manipulated to be different images. At one point it was a giant dragon.
Macfan4life
09-30-2023, 03:59 AM
Here’s another nice video from the stop in Pittsburgh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRKEjsEQfAs
It rained that night but most fans were under the ampitheater. During Dreams and "thunder only happens when its raining" line there were flashes of lightening as the storm and rain were fading. Talk about mood. An incredible natural special effect and mother nature must be a Stevie fan.
Villavic
09-30-2023, 08:39 AM
I always wondered if Stevie hadn't been addicted that year, and produced the album with a different producer (like Jimmy Iovine, etc.), how Street Angel would have been like.
bwboy
09-30-2023, 12:34 PM
I always wondered if Stevie hadn't been addicted that year, and produced the album with a different producer (like Jimmy Iovine, etc.), how Street Angel would have been like.
Interesting question. I feel like, after TOSOTM, Stevie may have lost some of her standing or power with her pals at Modern Records, because I suspect Glyn Johns was not her choice to produce Street Angel. Jimmy Iovine would have said no; none of the other producers on RAL really made an impact; and Rupert Hine probably wasn’t an option for personal reasons.
Patrick Leonard, who produced a lot of Madonna’s songs from True Blue and Like a Prayer (not to mention the two incredible Christine McVie songs from the FM box set) would have been a really intriguing choice for Street Angel. A lot less country and a lot more pop and adult contemporary material for sure. Slicker production as well. The only question would have been if they would have been a good match.
Macfan4life
09-30-2023, 01:48 PM
Interesting question. I feel like, after TOSOTM, Stevie may have lost some of her standing or power with her pals at Modern Records, because I suspect Glyn Johns was not her choice to produce Street Angel. Jimmy Iovine would have said no; none of the other producers on RAL really made an impact; and Rupert Hine probably wasn’t an option for personal reasons.
Patrick Leonard, who produced a lot of Madonna’s songs from True Blue and Like a Prayer (not to mention the two incredible Christine McVie songs from the FM box set) would have been a really intriguing choice for Street Angel. A lot less country and a lot more pop and adult contemporary material for sure. Slicker production as well. The only question would have been if they would have been a good match.
Oh gosh no. If you remember Stevie worked with TLC's producer for over a year on TISRL. The album was nearly finished and Stevie did not like the funk sound and hired Sheryl Crow. I think Sheryl has talents but she destroyed Stevie's album. TISRL is a horrible album. Every song similar beat and sound. The studio musicians don't have much power. Strip all vocals from Street Angel and TISRL. There is actually good music tracks on Street Angel. TISRL is so overproduced and is so boring. I don't even think there is one guitar solo on the entire album. If you dont like Street Angel, I dont think its the producer's fault.
Macfan4life
09-30-2023, 03:57 PM
BTW
Since we have pivoted to the Street Angel tour. Her band was really good. Rick Vito and the other guitarist really did a great Stand Back playing guitar with the keyboards for the entire opening. They also rock Edge of 17. But this video shows something really rare.
Stevie takes the microphone out of the stand and is holding it walking around the stage and singing like she's Whitney Houston or something. Never saw her do this before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyMaHj7dsCM
bwboy
09-30-2023, 07:58 PM
BTW
Since we have pivoted to the Street Angel tour. But this video shows something really rare.
Stevie takes the microphone out of the stand and is holding it walking around the stage and singing like she's Whitney Houston or something. Never saw her do this before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyMaHj7dsCM
Wow, that is very unusual! One idea I had was that that is usually the part in the song where Stevie bends the microphone down as she bends down and stretches out her arms- maybe there was something wrong with the mic stand and she couldn’t position it the way she wanted to so she picked it up and then knelt down. That’s really the only thing that makes sense to me, because Stevie is clearly such a creature of habit, and she doesn’t change things unless she has to for some reason.
Macfan4life
10-01-2023, 04:51 AM
Wow, that is very unusual! One idea I had was that that is usually the part in the song where Stevie bends the microphone down as she bends down and stretches out her arms- maybe there was something wrong with the mic stand and she couldn’t position it the way she wanted to so she picked it up and then knelt down. That’s really the only thing that makes sense to me, because Stevie is clearly such a creature of habit, and she doesn’t change things unless she has to for some reason.
Her voice was so raspy, good and strong. Sadly it was the end of an era. This last rehearsal is so good. Really good versions of Oooh My Love and Rooms on Fire which both would never make it to the set. But Rooms On Fire would replace Docklands late in the tour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip5F7xazhws
Steviegirl
10-01-2023, 08:52 AM
Her voice was so raspy, good and strong. Sadly it was the end of an era. This last rehearsal is so good. Really good versions of Oooh My Love and Rooms on Fire which both would never make it to the set. But Rooms On Fire would replace Docklands late in the tour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip5F7xazhws
Woah. GORGEOUS. Thank you so much for sharing. This is now my favorite "concert."
Villavic
10-01-2023, 09:24 AM
BTW
Since we have pivoted to the Street Angel tour. Her band was really good. Rick Vito and the other guitarist really did a great Stand Back playing guitar with the keyboards for the entire opening. They also rock Edge of 17. But this video shows something really rare.
Stevie takes the microphone out of the stand and is holding it walking around the stage and singing like she's Whitney Houston or something. Never saw her do this before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyMaHj7dsCM
The guy at 11:20. It's the first time I see somebody helping Stevie not to fall, or so it seems to me. But I've not seen many Stevie live videos. At the Mirage concert video she receives gift but nobody helps her. But in this video she is 46. I don't know if she already needed help to avoid falling.
Macfan4life
10-01-2023, 09:48 AM
The guy at 11:20. It's the first time I see somebody helping Stevie not to fall, or so it seems to me. But I've not seen many Stevie live videos. At the Mirage concert video she receives gift but nobody helps her. But in this video she is 46. I don't know if she already needed help to avoid falling.
Her security was always there post her falls on the RAL tour. She fell off the stage first night of the RAL tour in Houston. You can even see them at the Red Rocks show and they were there every solo concert since where she did the Edge Walk. But she does not do it anymore. Mirage was not an Edge walk. She just collected gifts.
Villavic
10-02-2023, 09:29 AM
Her security was always there post her falls on the RAL tour. She fell off the stage first night of the RAL tour in Houston.
Mick said she fell off the stage in Australia, too:
Through all this, Stevie Nicks had been working and touring to promote her third solo album, Rock a Little. She had spent a million to make it, and Frontline kept her away from us while they were selling it. I went on part of her long 1986 tour, playing percussion in a hot band that included Waddy Wachtel on guitar, and I could see that Stevie was running herself right into the ground. She was drinking and doing a lot of cocaine. Every night I'd watch her launch into one of her dancing spins on stage, and each night the spins got more and more dizzy until I was afraid she was going to fall off the stage during a show. "Stevie," I said, "you're going to hurt yourself. You've got to work on getting away from being so high while you're onstage."
She would cry. "Oh Mick, I know it! I don't wanna be like this. I don't wanna need this stuff so much. I'm gonna do something after the tour's over." I knew what Stevie meant. You can't go cold turkey on a major tour after years of partying and having a good time. But now the party was over. It had become an addiction, a way of life. Later, while Fleetwood Mac was laboring in the studio, Stevie and her band went to Australia, where her drinking worsened and she fell off the stage twice. I was afraid she would injure herself, or worse.
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