RAL singles racing up the charts

[Macfan4life]

I love old countdown shows. You can hear Talk To Me's debut on the top 40 charts all the way at #33. Then I Cant Wait jumps 10 spots landing at #25. The biggest movers on the charts these weeks. All the music on these charts always brings me back to that time. Casey says I Cant Wait is Stevie's 10th top 40 solo hit. That confuses me. Bella Donna had 4, Wild Heart had 3 and RAL had 2. Would it not be #9? Is he counting Whenever I call you friend? But that was not really a solo hit? Was he wrong or is there a song I forgot about.

Talk To Me debuts on the charts at #33 around 12:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6H0LEBCm0w&t=1990s


I Cant Wait's big 10 spot leap to #25 around 1:17:44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePZERqSZipY

[bwboy]

Casey was definitely referring to Whenever I Call You Friend. I think the song is even included on Stevie’s Enchanted box set.

I’ve always considered duets to be hits for both singers, regardless of whose album the song originally appeared on. Another good example would be Islands in the Stream by Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton; it originally appeared on his album, but is on both of their greatest hits catalogs.

[Macfan4life]

Casey was definitely referring to Whenever I Call You Friend. I think the song is even included on Stevie’s Enchanted box set.

I’ve always considered duets to be hits for both singers, regardless of whose album the song originally appeared on. Another good example would be Islands in the Stream by Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton; it originally appeared on his album, but is on both of their greatest hits catalogs.
I would not disagree with you. However she is not credited on the 45 record nor on the jacket sleeve. Its only "Kenny Loggins Whenever I call you friend"
You can google those photos and see. For as much singing as she did, you would think it would at least say "featuring Stevie Nicks" So American Top 40 was being more generous than Kenny. Maybe that is why Stevie sort of talked tough on him years later.

[WatchChain]

I love old countdown shows. You can hear Talk To Me's debut on the top 40 charts all the way at #33. Then I Cant Wait jumps 10 spots landing at #25. The biggest movers on the charts these weeks. All the music on these charts always brings me back to that time. Casey says I Cant Wait is Stevie's 10th top 40 solo hit. That confuses me. Bella Donna had 4, Wild Heart had 3 and RAL had 2. Would it not be #9? Is he counting Whenever I call you friend? But that was not really a solo hit? Was he wrong or is there a song I forgot about.



I'm wondering if Casey could also be referring to the top 40 single "Needles and Pins" (Live) by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers featuring Stevie Nicks.

"Needles and Pins" only reached number 37 on the Top 40 charts, but it was released in December of 1985, the same month as "I Can't Wait".

If I recall correctly, both "I Can't Wait" and "Needles and Pins" were in the upper reaches of the Top 40 chart for 1 to 2 weeks. I remember Casey discussing on his show that Stevie had two singles in the Top 40 at the same time.

Whatever the case, I guess "Needles and Pins" would be Stevie's 11th Top 40 hit.

[Macfan4life]

I'm wondering if Casey could also be referring to the top 40 single "Needles and Pins" (Live) by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers featuring Stevie Nicks.

"Needles and Pins" only reached number 37 on the Top 40 charts, but it was released in December of 1985, the same month as "I Can't Wait".

If I recall correctly, both "I Can't Wait" and "Needles and Pins" were in the upper reaches of the Top 40 chart for 1 to 2 weeks. I remember Casey discussing on his show that Stevie had two singles in the Top 40 at the same time.

Whatever the case, I guess "Needles and Pins" would be Stevie's 11th Top 40 hit.
You are so smart! You absolutely could be right. I had no idea Needles and Pins cracked into the top 40 (barely). Yes both I Cant Wait and Needles and Pins were on the chart at the same time.
Thats a great trivia question and you got it!

Now on with the countdown. Casey Kasem calls a Chinese restaurant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcJznSazlUk

[bwboy]

I would not disagree with you. However she is not credited on the 45 record nor on the jacket sleeve. Its only "Kenny Loggins Whenever I call you friend"
You can google those photos and see. For as much singing as she did, you would think it would at least say "featuring Stevie Nicks" So American Top 40 was being more generous than Kenny. Maybe that is why Stevie sort of talked tough on him years later.

I don’t need to check, I believe you :thumbsup:

Yeah, I seem to vaguely remember someone saying Stevie thought Kenny was difficult to work with in the studio or something like that, which kind of made me laugh. It’s hard for me to imagine the guy who made so many pop songs as a strict taskmaster LOL but maybe he really was a tyrant in the studio :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

I don’t need to check, I believe you :thumbsup:

Yeah, I seem to vaguely remember someone saying Stevie thought Kenny was difficult to work with in the studio or something like that, which kind of made me laugh. It’s hard for me to imagine the guy who made so many pop songs as a strict taskmaster LOL but maybe he really was a tyrant in the studio :laugh:

Anyone who dares to tell her to do something is a tyrant. That mean old Lindsey is, too.

[bombaysaffires]

Stevie said she called him "Kenny 'slave-driver' Loggins" and the reason she gave was that "he knows exactly what he wants in the studio... and boy he gets it! My hat is off to him because I am NOT easy to work with when people start TELLING me what to do". (Doubtful she would have called him that to his face)

So rather than let her wing it, it would seem he knew exactly how he wanted her to sing those lines and likely made her do take after take telling her what to do to make it exactly what he wanted.

This would have been the time when she was, in her words, "maybe just a little teeny bit conceited". Translated: when she realized she was now STEVIE NICKS, ROCK STAR with hit albums and a Grammy and all sorts of people wanting to work with her and she could snap her fingers and get whoever to get her whatever she wanted in her newfound fame and power and woe be to those who forget it.

[Macfan4life]

I don’t need to check, I believe you :thumbsup:

Yeah, I seem to vaguely remember someone saying Stevie thought Kenny was difficult to work with in the studio or something like that, which kind of made me laugh. It’s hard for me to imagine the guy who made so many pop songs as a strict taskmaster LOL but maybe he really was a tyrant in the studio :laugh:
By 1978 Stevie was a big star. I wonder why she was not credited. Perhaps they thought her name would overshadow Kenny? Many people were not aware it was her because she was not credited. I would expect on the album she must have received credit. But the single record and the record sleeve: NO. Maybe Warner Brothers would not allow it? Did she not lose the soundtrack to American Gigilo because Warner would not allow it. Blondie blew it out of the park but I would have loved to have know what lyrics she would have put to that song.

Although Kenny is very praising of Stevie today. He admits his solo career was going nowhere and that single made radio take him serious. I think its been debated before here but have the two ever performed the song live together? There are plenty of photos of them on stage together by mics. However you would think if true at least one recording would have made it to youtube after all these years?

[Macfan4life]

Stevie said she called him "Kenny 'slave-driver' Loggins" and the reason she gave was that "he knows exactly what he wants in the studio... and boy he gets it! My hat is off to him because I am NOT easy to work with when people start TELLING me what to do". (Doubtful she would have called him that to his face)

So rather than let her wing it, it would seem he knew exactly how he wanted her to sing those lines and likely made her do take after take telling her what to do to make it exactly what he wanted.

This would have been the time when she was, in her words, "maybe just a little teeny bit conceited". Translated: when she realized she was now STEVIE NICKS, ROCK STAR with hit albums and a Grammy and all sorts of people wanting to work with her and she could snap her fingers and get whoever to get her whatever she wanted in her newfound fame and power and woe be to those who forget it.
Wait. Are you telling me Kenny would say that to Bob Dylan?
Please stick to the lyrics and proper tense sweetheart.

[bwboy]

By 1978 Stevie was a big star. I wonder why she was not credited. Perhaps they thought her name would overshadow Kenny? Many people were not aware it was her because she was not credited. I would expect on the album she must have received credit. But the single record and the record sleeve: NO. Maybe Warner Brothers would not allow it? Did she not lose the soundtrack to American Gigilo because Warner would not allow it. Blondie blew it out of the park but I would have loved to have know what lyrics she would have put to that song.

Yes, it is a little odd she wasn’t credited. Melissa Manchester wrote the song and she wrote in the liner notes for the version she sang that she was hurt and disappointed Kenny didn’t ask her to sing it with him.

Did you know Debbie Harry was the only member of Blondie to perform on Call Me? The music was played by studio musicians, not Blondie. When they heard the song for the first time on the radio, they were surprised when the DJ said it was the new song by Blondie.

[bombaysaffires]

Wait. Are you telling me Kenny would say that to Bob Dylan?
Please stick to the lyrics and proper tense sweetheart.

:eek:

How dare you! I'll have Karen set up a perimeter around my presidential suite and forbid you from even looking at me!

[Macfan4life]

Yes, it is a little odd she wasn’t credited. Melissa Manchester wrote the song and she wrote in the liner notes for the version she sang that she was hurt and disappointed Kenny didn’t ask her to sing it with him.

Did you know Debbie Harry was the only member of Blondie to perform on Call Me? The music was played by studio musicians, not Blondie. When they heard the song for the first time on the radio, they were surprised when the DJ said it was the new song by Blondie.
Yes. That is what I meant. I typed Blondie instead of Debbie Harry. The musical track was specifically written for Stevie Nicks. However her new record contract Modern would not allow her to perform a song outside of Modern for the movie soundtrack. I posted a thread about this over a year ago. It would have been Stevie's first solo single before Bella Donna. My first post said it was Warner that did not allow it but I knew it was some record company. She had just signed a solo deal and Modern was not going to lose Stevie's first solo song to someone else.

"Call Me" was composed by Italian disco producer Giorgio Moroder as the main theme song of the 1980 film American Gigolo. It is played in the key of D minor with a tempo of 143 beats per minute,[9] with Blondie's vocals ranging from C4 to E5.[10] Moroder originally asked Stevie Nicks from Fleetwood Mac to perform a song for the soundtrack, but she was prevented because of a recently signed contract with Modern Records. Moroder turned to Debbie Harry of Blondie, presenting Harry with an instrumental track called "Man Machine". Harry was asked to write the lyrics, a process that Harry states took a mere few hours.[11] The lyrics were written from the perspective of the main character in the film, a male prostitute.[12]

[Jondalar]

Yes, it is a little odd she wasn’t credited. Melissa Manchester wrote the song and she wrote in the liner notes for the version she sang that she was hurt and disappointed Kenny didn’t ask her to sing it with him.

Did you know Debbie Harry was the only member of Blondie to perform on Call Me? The music was played by studio musicians, not Blondie. When they heard the song for the first time on the radio, they were surprised when the DJ said it was the new song by Blondie.

Kenny is cutthroat. He is credited with a top#5 solo hit. Stevie never got credited with anything in the Billboards books even though she sang half of the song. The song is a definite duet.

[Jondalar]

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THIS EXPLAINS THE SONG.

[aleuzzi]

I think its been debated before here but have the two ever performed the song live together? There are plenty of photos of them on stage together by mics. However you would think if true at least one recording would have made it to youtube after all these years?

Normally, on tour, George Hawkins took Stevie's part! He reached the notes, too. However, according to his Q-and-A, he said there was a night (possibly a couple nights--can't recall) where Stevie joined Loggins on stage and sang it with him at one of his concerts. Could you imagine how the crowd took that?!

There are pictures on the net where she is on stage singing with him.

[aleuzzi]

Melissa Manchester wrote the song and she wrote in the liner notes for the version she sang that she was hurt and disappointed Kenny didn’t ask her to sing it with him.

In a fairly-recent YouTube interview with Melissa Manchester about the song, it was explained that the label pushed for Stevie. Loggins wanted Manchester on it, but Stevie was so hot at that time they knew they could get a smash with her...

Manchester confirms this in the interview.

[Macfan4life]

Normally, on tour, George Hawkins took Stevie's part! He reached the notes, too. However, according to his Q-and-A, he said there was a night (possibly a couple nights--can't recall) where Stevie joined Loggins on stage and sang it with him at one of his concerts. Could you imagine how the crowd took that?!

There are pictures on the net where she is on stage singing with him.
Wow so it happened one time which explains the photos on the net. You would have thought they would have recorded it and it would have leaked by now. But back then it was just another day.

[bwboy]

In a fairly-recent YouTube interview with Melissa Manchester about the song, it was explained that the label pushed for Stevie. Loggins wanted Manchester on it, but Stevie was so hot at that time they knew they could get a smash with her...

Manchester confirms this in the interview.

Thanks, that all makes sense. I’m not sure how famous Melissa Manchester was then, maybe Midnight Blue might have been out by then, but the record company would naturally want as much publicity and as big a name as possible for the song.

It is a very unusual song for Stevie, lyrically and vocally. I remember in 1989 during a field trip from school, and Whenever I Call You Friend came on the radio and some of my friends were really surprised when I told them that was Stevie singing with Kenny. It would have been nice if she had taken more chances like that, especially later in her career. As for why she doesn’t ever sing it live on her own tours, she probably really does see it as someone else’s song since she didn’t write it; it’s probably also very hard for her to sing.

[Macfan4life]

Thanks, that all makes sense. I’m not sure how famous Melissa Manchester was then, maybe Midnight Blue might have been out by then, but the record company would naturally want as much publicity and as big a name as possible for the song.

It is a very unusual song for Stevie, lyrically and vocally. I remember in 1989 during a field trip from school, and Whenever I Call You Friend came on the radio and some of my friends were really surprised when I told them that was Stevie singing with Kenny. It would have been nice if she had taken more chances like that, especially later in her career. As for why she doesn’t ever sing it live on her own tours, she probably really does see it as someone else’s song since she didn’t write it; it’s probably also very hard for her to sing.
Midnight Blue was out years earlier. I dont think the record company picked Stevie. It was probably Kenny. They toured together on that first Buck/Nicks Mac tour. Kenny saw her vocal range and she already had 2 monster hits under her belt with the Mac. Stevie was probably bigger than Melissa at the time too.
She could never do that song today. She's hitting really high notes even for her then. So many friendships lasted from that Fleetwood Mac/Loggins and Messina tour. Besides Stevie and Kenny. Sara was the wife of Loggins/Messina tour manager. Chris used George Hawkins on her solo stint. Chris also co-wrote Love In Store with Jim Recor who was married to Sara who eventually became Mick's wife and was Stevie's close friend. Mick used many of Kenny's musicians for his solo album too. If my memory is correct even Todd Sharpe was in the mix back then and developed a close relationship with Chris. If I remember correctly Sharpe worked with Hall and Oates who also toured with Loggins. In some ways that tour lasted throughout their career.

[bombaysaffires]

Midnight Blue was out years earlier. I dont think the record company picked Stevie. It was probably Kenny. They toured together on that first Buck/Nicks Mac tour. Kenny saw her vocal range and she already had 2 monster hits under her belt with the Mac. Stevie was probably bigger than Melissa at the time too.
She could never do that song today. She's hitting really high notes even for her then. So many friendships lasted from that Fleetwood Mac/Loggins and Messina tour. Besides Stevie and Kenny. Sara was the wife of Loggins/Messina tour manager. Chris used George Hawkins on her solo stint. Chris also co-wrote Love In Store with Jim Recor who was married to Sara who eventually became Mick's wife and was Stevie's close friend. Mick used many of Kenny's musicians for his solo album too. If my memory is correct even Todd Sharpe was in the mix back then and developed a close relationship with Chris. If I remember correctly Sharpe worked with Hall and Oates who also toured with Loggins. In some ways that tour lasted throughout their career.

Stevie was most certainly more popular despite Melissa having had a longer career at that point. It cannot be overstated how much Stevie was the absolute new "It" girl during that time. It's also apparent that that un-ending attention and flattery had an impact on her.