Dennis Dunstun interview

[sleepless child]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4YsuG9M6VINOHs65DfdoWx?si=QRcY8-CPTkODnCnxyAN46Q

[sleepless child]

I just listened to this podcast and it is very informative. Dennis was with FM for many years and helped manage the band til 1997. He has great stories to tell from past and present, plus a lot of great info about the music business in general. The most surprising thing and there are several, was that Mick went to Australia to visit Dennis 6 months before letting Lindsey go and asked his advice about Neil Finn. Mike Campbell had already been tapped by Stevie. Which is much earlier than I thought. Dennis was told Lindsey wanted to delay the tour to work on a solo project and that with Lindsey nothing gets done quickly. Also that Stevie didn't want to work with him anymore, which we already knew.

[Macfan4life]

Thanks for posting. Dennis was very close with the band. I can only imagine the stories he could tell. Not that it matters but his interview reveals Buckingham's termination was crafted much earlier than we thought.
Did not Stevie say she never hired Mike or suggested him in some defense of the Buckingham firing debacle? No one believed that anyway.
Witchy woman sowed those seeds early on she was out unless Lindsey was gone.

My favorite Dennis scene is the Red Rocks RAL concert where Stevie is running around slapping hands back stage and he is trying to get her on stage. He has to grab her and point where the stage is.

[BigAl84]

It was over for Lindsey the minute he and the rest of the band decided to release the BuckVie project without Stevie. Before Christine's return, Lindsey/Mick/John could jam all they want and ask Stevie to participate until the cows came home, but they really didn't have a Fleetwood Mac project unless Stevie decided to join. Those dynamics completely changed the minute Christine returned and I personally think Stevie knew what was coming from the minute Christine returned and knew what she wanted to do.

Also...nothing gets done quickly with Lindsey? As if Stevie Nicks and Mick Fleetwood are the king and queens of productivity. Those two can eat sh*t in a dog bowl.

Bless Christine for choosing to return, what a treat for fans. She had to have been rolling her eyes to realize the shear amount of drama still going on within the band upon her return.

[HomerMcvie]

It was over for Lindsey the minute he and the rest of the band decided to release the BuckVie project without Stevie. Before Christine's return, Lindsey/Mick/John could jam all they want and ask Stevie to participate until the cows came home, but they really didn't have a Fleetwood Mac project unless Stevie decided to join. Those dynamics completely changed the minute Christine returned and I personally think Stevie knew what was coming from the minute Christine returned and knew what she wanted to do.

Also...nothing gets done quickly with Lindsey? As if Stevie Nicks and Mick Fleetwood are the king and queens of productivity. Those two can eat sh*t in a dog bowl.

Bless Christine for choosing to return, what a treat for fans. She had to have been rolling her eyes to realize the shear amount of drama still going on within the band upon her return.

I'd like to buy you a beer and a shot, sir.:wavey:

[David]

After the band put him in charge of security for the 1979 tour, Dennis said that he fired most of the existing security crew — except Greg Thomason (Christie’s then-husband). So who were the guys who were fired? Wayne Cody continued to work for the band through the eighties. Security for 1979 should be listed in the TUSK tour book.

I bet Dennis would do a Q&A on this site if he could market his HSCC tribute group (who have dozens of videos on YouTube). For this podcast, he was forced to share more industry practice than band stories. But if we got him for a Q&A, we could all monetize HSCC videos.

[elle]

i listened to most of it last night.

my favorite part is Dennis saying how Mick is so smart in business (or something to that effect) and that Tusk tour bankruptcy was not Mick's fault.

[WatchChain]

It was over for Lindsey the minute he and the rest of the band decided to release the BuckVie project without Stevie.

Do you think Stevie was jealous of OR resented the Buckingham McVie album? Did Lindsey do the BuckVie project out of spite for Stevie? How did Chris feel about being caught in the crossfire?

In addition, I always wondered why Stevie, Mick, John, and Lindsey could be called "Fleetwood Mac" -- but Christine, Mick, John, and Lindsey could NOT be called "Fleetwood Mac".

Poor Chris. Selling the English countryside home, coming out of retirement, and then to be reeled back into the same old toxic drama.

[sleepless child]

It was over for Lindsey the minute he and the rest of the band decided to release the BuckVie project without Stevie. Before Christine's return, Lindsey/Mick/John could jam all they want and ask Stevie to participate until the cows came home, but they really didn't have a Fleetwood Mac project unless Stevie decided to join. Those dynamics completely changed the minute Christine returned and I personally think Stevie knew what was coming from the minute Christine returned and knew what she wanted to do.

Also...nothing gets done quickly with Lindsey? As if Stevie Nicks and Mick Fleetwood are the king and queens of productivity. Those two can eat sh*t in a dog bowl.

Bless Christine for choosing to return, what a treat for fans. She had to have been rolling her eyes to realize the shear amount of drama still going on within the band upon her return.
I agree. I think Chris coming back to the band was the beginning of the end. And it was not hing she did, it was a power struggle between Stevie and Lindsey.

[jmn3]

In addition, I always wondered why Stevie, Mick, John, and Lindsey could be called "Fleetwood Mac" -- but Christine, Mick, John, and Lindsey could NOT be called "Fleetwood Mac".

Because Mick and John allowed Stevie to call the shots and her threat of not touring with them again was used to ensure BuckVie was not Fleetwood Mac despite literally including Fleetwood, two Mac’s, and a Buckingham. They knew she put the asses in seats and with that album basically capitulated to her (and Irving) that she is Fleetwood Mac.

I guarantee Stevie not only had no material to contribute, but she had no interest because of how horrible she’s spun the recording of Say You Will years prior. And the audacity that Lindsey and Chris had to release their silly little album without her and turn her own interviews into questions about their album and “premise” further infuriated her. Then add in that she feels some odd ownership of Lindsey and is on record of being jealous of his “musical partnership” with Christine going back to the first days of their time in Fleetwood Mac. This set her off. In 2014-15, the dynamic had shifted and there was less and less focus on the Stevie and Lindsey show. Who got the biggest cheers on that tour? It was Christine. IMO all of this further fueled Stevie’s resentment and anger and finally using Christine being back to stick it to Buckingham once and for all. You can tour Fleetwood Mac without Chris. You can tour it without Lindsey. But she knew damn well they would never at this point give up the high life that touring with her allowed. Hearing that this goes back long before 2018 is the least shocking thing I’ve heard in the last five years.

[Macfan4life]

i listened to most of it last night.

my favorite part is Dennis saying how Mick is so smart in business (or something to that effect) and that Tusk tour bankruptcy was not Mick's fault.
He must be auditioning for a stand up act in Sydney.

[mylittledemon]

It was over for Lindsey the minute he and the rest of the band decided to release the BuckVie project without Stevie. Before Christine's return, Lindsey/Mick/John could jam all they want and ask Stevie to participate until the cows came home, but they really didn't have a Fleetwood Mac project unless Stevie decided to join. Those dynamics completely changed the minute Christine returned and I personally think Stevie knew what was coming from the minute Christine returned and knew what she wanted to do.

Also...nothing gets done quickly with Lindsey? As if Stevie Nicks and Mick Fleetwood are the king and queens of productivity. Those two can eat sh*t in a dog bowl.

Bless Christine for choosing to return, what a treat for fans. She had to have been rolling her eyes to realize the shear amount of drama still going on within the band upon her return.

All of this :thumbsup:

What I truly don't understand is... why wouldn't Stevie want to do a record with the fivesome upon Christine's return? It just seems to me that's immediately what you'd want to do. Forget her being pissed at the record industry. None of them needed whatever pennies comes from record sales nowadays. Why not do it just for the joy? Do it for one another? Do it for the "fans"? *siiiigh*

[BigAl84]

Do it for the fans…..haha this is the woman who refuses to sign autographs and if you happen to get past Karen she insists that it’s inscribed because she got pissed about people making a buck off her autograph on eBay.

[BigAl84]

And wow…all of these people in the past 10 years or so who have come out of the woodwork to schlep books or whatever their latest project to say BS like “I love Lindsey to death BUT…”

Did anyone catch how he called out Lindsey for not being a founding member of the band and not once mentioned the same thing about Stevie. Incredible.

He did say what we’ve been saying all along - as long as Mick and Stevie are in the band everyone else is replaceable….and to think this guy was at Christine’s memorial!?

Mick and Stevie must be real proud of themselves. What a pair of washed up junkies whose narcissism never ended when the drugs ended.

[jbrownsjr]

It was over for Lindsey the minute he and the rest of the band decided to release the BuckVie project without Stevie. Before Christine's return, Lindsey/Mick/John could jam all they want and ask Stevie to participate until the cows came home, but they really didn't have a Fleetwood Mac project unless Stevie decided to join. Those dynamics completely changed the minute Christine returned and I personally think Stevie knew what was coming from the minute Christine returned and knew what she wanted to do.

Also...nothing gets done quickly with Lindsey? As if Stevie Nicks and Mick Fleetwood are the king and queens of productivity. Those two can eat sh*t in a dog bowl.

Bless Christine for choosing to return, what a treat for fans. She had to have been rolling her eyes to realize the shear amount of drama still going on within the band upon her return.

From everything I've heard thru different channels, this is all pretty spot on.
Don't know about the **** in the dog bowl, but I'll take your word for it. :lol:

[jmn3]

All of this :thumbsup:

What I truly don't understand is... why wouldn't Stevie want to do a record with the fivesome upon Christine's return? It just seems to me that's immediately what you'd want to do. Forget her being pissed at the record industry. None of them needed whatever pennies comes from record sales nowadays. Why not do it just for the joy? Do it for one another? Do it for the "fans"? *siiiigh*

She had nothing to contribute. It would have been all old stuff and that would’ve been known and In contrast to Chris and Lindsey who, IMO, had some
Of their best songs in decades. She has spun such a horrible tale about recording Say You Will and she simply has refused to record with Lindsey ever again. You could probably trace a ton of this back to that stupid Bob Dylan comment if we’re being honest. Sounds stupid but she’s been carrying a major grudge for over 20 years now with her varying stories of woah is me

[jmn3]

Did anyone catch how he called out Lindsey for not being a founding member of the band and not once mentioned the same thing about Stevie. Incredible.


So dumb. Stevie, Lindsey, Christine, and hell, even John McFnVie could all be included in that grouping!

[BigAl84]

Do you think Stevie was jealous of OR resented the Buckingham McVie album? Did Lindsey do the BuckVie project out of spite for Stevie? How did Chris feel about being caught in the crossfire?

In addition, I always wondered why Stevie, Mick, John, and Lindsey could be called "Fleetwood Mac" -- but Christine, Mick, John, and Lindsey could NOT be called "Fleetwood Mac".

Poor Chris. Selling the English countryside home, coming out of retirement, and then to be reeled back into the same old toxic drama.

Considering Lindsey recorded material in the specific keys that work best for Stevie, I don’t think any of it was resentment. He bent over backwards to accommodate her and she wanted none of it.

It’s really something when you think about what she did. She denied Christine the opportunity to make one last album with the group as a whole, she denied Lindsey and final farewell tour with Christine, she dragged the entire band into a major conflict that was largely between her and Lindsey.

She also screwed over Brett Tuggle in the middle of her power tantrum as well. A touring musician simply trying to make a living. Rest in peace, Brett.

Oh and the best part ? All in the name of a greatest hits tour that wound up starting well after Lindsey’s initial delay period. All for absolutely NOTHING.

[HomerMcvie]

So dumb. Stevie, Lindsey, Christine, and hell, even John McFnVie could all be included in that grouping!

Everyone sucks up to the old goat. God forbid you don't.

Old nasty pos...

[jmn3]

Oh and the best part ? All in the name of a greatest hits tour that wound up starting well after Lindsey’s initial delay. All for absolutely NOTHING.

You’re going to rile up the “i loved the 2018 show I saw. Neil was so awesome on Hypnotized. Loved seeing everyone so HaPpY! And Mike Campbell is a legend!” People.

[jmn3]

Everyone sucks up to the old goat. God forbid you don't.

Old nasty pos...

Pretty sure the only people who don’t kiss her rump were: her parents, Lindsey (although he certainly did his fair share of coming close in the last 15 years), and Tom Petty.

[BigAl84]

You’re going to rile up the “i loved the 2018 show I saw. Neil was so awesome on Hypnotized. Loved seeing everyone so HaPpY! And Mike Campbell is a legend!” People.

JFC I already feel like the Lewis Black of Fleetwood Mac fans at this point, don’t tempt me into another rant…

[BigAl84]

She had nothing to contribute. It would have been all old stuff and that would’ve been known and In contrast to Chris and Lindsey who, IMO, had some
Of their best songs in decades. She has spun such a horrible tale about recording Say You Will and she simply has refused to record with Lindsey ever again. You could probably trace a ton of this back to that stupid Bob Dylan comment if we’re being honest. Sounds stupid but she’s been carrying a major grudge for over 20 years now with her varying stories of woah is me

The minute Stevie started complaining in an interview that the 2009 Fleetwood Mac tour was “benign” and “missing something” because her and Lindsey ::gasp:: didn’t have any conflicts….I knew then that she thrived on Fleetwood Mac / Lindsey drama. I immediately started questioning everything because when somebody feeds off drama like that, they will go to any end to create the drama if it’s not being provided for them.

[jmn3]

The minute Stevie started complaining in an interview that the 2009 Fleetwood Mac tour was “benign” and “missing something” because her and Lindsey ::gasp:: didn’t have any conflicts….I knew then that she thrived on Fleetwood Mac / Lindsey drama. I immediately started questioning everything because when somebody feeds off drama like that, they will go to any end to create the drama if it’s not being provided for them.

Yep. Exactly. It was like she couldn’t understand how he just wanted to go out and put on a good show and not worry about rehashing their tired drama. Probably where Lindsey’s focus on his then young family and not on her nonsense really started to irk her.

[jmn3]

JFC I already feel like the Lewis Black of Fleetwood Mac fans at this point, don’t tempt me into another rant…

Oh come on! Do it! Let me see…

Mike Campbell playing the riff on that little piano on Gypsy was so fun!
Go Your Own Way was much better with the key raised back up without a Lindsey there to ruin it.
Black Magic WOMAN allowed to be played to honor Stevie and Peter now that Lindsey was gone!
All Over Again > Songbird

[BigAl84]

I think she knows deep down inside that he and Christine both had something to offer, even in their final years of working together. BuckVie was widely well received by music fans, the press etc. Those two were still able to be working artists. Stevie is now a legacy act based upon her work from 20-30+ years ago and now she’s stuck with that legacy act schtick.

She’s apparently so embarrassed by her 80s solo work that she won’t even acknowledge her latest career spanning album box set. I guess it makes sense since she uses all her Fleetwood Mac songs to sell solo tickets.

[jmn3]

She’s apparently so embarrassed by her 80s solo work that she won’t even acknowledge her latest career spanning album box set. I guess it makes sense since she uses all her Fleetwood Mac songs to sell solo tickets.

Her solo show has basically become rehashing the same Bella Donna and Wild Heart songs with the occasional Trouble in Shangri-La tune tossed in. If I was to sit through a show I’d rather hear Rooms on Fire, I Can’t Wait, or Long Way to Go than tired versions of Gypsy, Sara, and Rhiannon.

[SteveMacD]

I had several phone interactions with Dennis. Class act personified. I think I high-fived him at a Zoo show as I was leaving the venue. He even did a follow-up call after I sent Mick a VHS of Peter playing with Kolors at Rockpalast in 1985 (which also included the Rock Concert with Bob Welch).

Got some fan club stuff as a gift.

[sleepless child]

I thought it interesting but not surprising that Dennis admitted Stevie loved Micks book but it was better drama if she said she didn't. So fake and phoney. Obviously they care what they spun to the fans as long as it kept them in the spotlight

[Macfan4life]

I thought it interesting but not surprising that Dennis admitted Stevie loved Micks book but it was better drama if she said she didn't. So fake and phoney. Obviously they care what they spun to the fans as long as it kept them in the spotlight
Interesting. She claims she never read it because she knew the story anyway. But even Mick wrote in his book that when she found out he was writing a book she demanded to know what was in it. Their affair was never revealed before. When he refused to tell her, she threatened legal action. But I suppose she read it and had no issues with him making her look foolish several times in it? He did not hold back.
Stevie threatened to leave the band if Lindsey's shacking up line was left in GYOW
Stevie threatened to leave the band if the album was called Tusk
Stevie dropped acid and could not find the airport to pick Mick up in Hawaii
Stevie threatened to tell Rolling Stone she had nothing to do with Tango In The Night
Stevie fell off the stage several times during her dizzy coke spins on the RAL tour
Stevie fell for the band's gag on Don Henley's card on her roses

[BigAl84]

Her whole axe to grind about Tango really tells you what a warped sense of reality she had at the time due to the drugs, but I start to wonder if even sober her recollection of the past doesn't quite line up with reality.

Being the only person in the band who didn't play an instrument must have really given her the biggest case of imposter syndrome known to man, despite the fact that she never needed to feel that way.

[Villavic]

but I start to wonder if even sober her recollection of the past doesn't quite line up with reality.
.

That's completely possible. David Bowie told about remembering nothing about the recording sessions of an album while he was pretty in coke during those days.

[BigAl84]

The comments that Christine made in the past couple of years about the band really made me pause. I've said it before, I wonder how much was exaggerated as each passing year occurred, especially in the minds of Stevie and Lindsey. And now we're finding out band members were told how they should react to Mick's book...

I don’t think I thought about it that much. I enjoyed the storm.… Even though I am quite a peaceful person, I did enjoy that storm. Although it’s said that we fought a lot, we actually did spend a lot of our time laughing. So, that must have been forgotten. Great sense of humor.

There weren’t that many fights. When you think about it, we really did not fight that much. There were moments when it got a bit beefy, but all in all we got on really quite well.

Yes, time makes the heart grow fonder, but Christine has never been one to sugar coat anything.

[BigAl84]

Did anyone ever ask Lindsey in one of the meet and greets if Stevie's infamous 3 hour rant/phone call before the 2013 tour was actually a 3 hour recount of every beef she's had from 1975? I'd love to know the actual truth of what that phone call was.

[jbrownsjr]

Did anyone ever ask Lindsey in one of the meet and greets if Stevie's infamous 3 hour rant/phone call before the 2013 tour was actually a 3 hour recount of every beef she's had from 1975? I'd love to know the actual truth of what that phone call was.

Was it 3 hrs? I remember reading about it. She probably was drawing lines in the sand for the upcoming $$$$$ she was gonna make.

[David]

I thought it interesting but not surprising that Dennis admitted Stevie loved Micks book but it was better drama if she said she didn't.
That confused me because it didn’t jibe with my experience. I remember one interview where she said that, no, she hadn’t read it because why should she? she lived it. Other than that, I don’t recall her being particularly negative about it, just a little dismissive — claims of not having read it and having no intention of reading it. Big deal.

But she also stood at the mic every night on the 1990 tour and introduced Mick as the hardest-working man in show biz (poking fun at James Brown or Springsteen) and a New York Times bestselling author. Mick later told Graham Nash on TV that Stevie helped him sell his book, so she couldn’t hate it that much.

[BigAl84]

Going back to 2013 interviews is fascinating with the knowledge of what would eventually happen. I had forgotten all about this one:

https://fleetwoodmac-uk.com/wp/the-mojo-interview-stevie-nicks-dec-2013/

Lindsey also told MOJO: “There are still parts of mine and Stevie’s relationship that are unresolved and it will be interesting to visit that on this next tour…”

Stevie: He’s probably referring to what I call ‘The Talk.’ About a year and a half ago I told him everything I had wanted to say to him since 1968. I said, “Do you remember how cute we were? How we could walk into the room together and people would be mesmerized because we were so funny and smart?” I said, “Lindsey, if we can’t go back to being those people, I’m going to quit. I have other people I can work with that treat me with warmth and utter respect, and in my world there’s never a harsh word spoken.”

And his reaction?
Stevie: He was very quiet. I said, “The ball’s in your park, Lindsey 2013 better be great.

So has it been great? When the pair of you hold hands on-stage now what’s going on there exactly? The hand-holding on the 2009 tour seemed a bit hammy..

Stevie: That’s interesting. My cousin John has known Lindsey and I since 1968. He told me, “When I saw you and Lindsey play with Fleetwood Mac in 2009, there was nothing between you. It was as if you were thinking, ‘What shall I get from room service tonight? Grilled cheese? Tomato soup?” Hammy wasn’t the word for Lindsey and I in 2009 – it was totally fake. But what you see on-stage now is not fake. It is loving, and it is as close to those two people who met as teenagers as you could hope for. Every night I tell the story of Without You, the poem that I wrote in 1972 before we made the BuckinghamNicks album. The story has become longer than the song, and I told Lindsey, “I’m sorry, I’m trying to shorten it.” He goes, “Don’t worry, Stevie – it’s charming.” Three years ago he would have been like, “Are you kidding? We could do The Green Manalishi in that time…”

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So you want your ex to treat you as if you're still a couple (40 years after the fact!) and that's how you're going to judge if you're being respected on tour?

It was totally fake in 2009, but it's somehow not fake in 2013 despite threatening to quit if he didn't pretend to be your boyfriend? It's no wonder Lindsey suggested that Stevie was still in love with him during the 2021 press feud.

I've got nothing...

[Macfan4life]

That confused me because it didn’t jibe with my experience. I remember one interview where she said that, no, she hadn’t read it because why should she? she lived it. Other than that, I don’t recall her being particularly negative about it, just a little dismissive — claims of not having read it and having no intention of reading it. Big deal.

But she also stood at the mic every night on the 1990 tour and introduced Mick as the hardest-working man in show biz (poking fun at James Brown or Springsteen) and a New York Times bestselling author. Mick later told Graham Nash on TV that Stevie helped him sell his book, so she couldn’t hate it that much.
Funny. The show that I saw in 1990 it was Billy saying all of that at the mic.

[jmn3]

How we could walk into the room together and people would be mesmerized because we were so funny and smart?”

Can you imagine being this full of yourself? My god her ridiculousness was on point during that interview.

[HomerMcvie]

Can you imagine being this full of yourself? My god her ridiculousness was on point during that interview.

I really do think she's certifiably NUTS. What an egomaniac!

[jmn3]

I really do think she's certifiably NUTS. What an egomaniac!

A Christine song comes on - “that’s me!” 🥴

[HomerMcvie]

A Christine song comes on - “that’s me!” 🥴

She taught Christine and Lindsey their proficiency on their respective instruments. HOW DARE they take any credit for FM's success. The nerve!!!!

She probably brags about the odor of her own flatulence. :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

She taught Christine and Lindsey their proficiency on their respective instruments. HOW DARE they take any credit for FM's success. The nerve!!!!

She probably brags about the odor of her own flatulence. :lol:

Remember how she acted when Bill asked to use Christine's Don't Stop?
I was screaming at the tv at her because her language was always insinuating it was she that was asked.

[UnwindedDreams]

Did anyone ever ask Lindsey in one of the meet and greets if Stevie's infamous 3 hour rant/phone call before the 2013 tour was actually a 3 hour recount of every beef she's had from 1975? I'd love to know the actual truth of what that phone call was.
I think it was supposed to be from 1968 on. However, nothing was resolved because apparently now she won't work with him because of things he did to her when he was 19 in 1968, per her quote in RollingStone September 2021.

Lindsey was fired because Stevie and Lindsey had an argument. She said it to Zane Lowe, it wasn't about a tour delay.

[bombaysaffires]

I think she knows deep down inside that he and Christine both had something to offer, even in their final years of working together. BuckVie was widely well received by music fans, the press etc. Those two were still able to be working artists. Stevie is now a legacy act based upon her work from 20-30+ years ago and now she’s stuck with that legacy act schtick.

She’s apparently so embarrassed by her 80s solo work that she won’t even acknowledge her latest career spanning album box set. I guess it makes sense since she uses all her Fleetwood Mac songs to sell solo tickets.

most of her classic FM stuff that she does is early stuff and ALL of it arranged by Buckingham far, far better than she or anyone else could ever have done it (Landslide, Rhiannon, Dreams, Gold Dust Woman, Gypsy). As he said in an interview, any number of her hits could well and should have been listed as co-writes. And then things like how she wrote "where is the reason, don't blame it on me, blame it on my wild heart" to his track and chord progression and he should have been credited (who knows how many others). It's no different to how she wrote She Loves Him Still and had to list Mark Knopfler as co-writer. Prince should have been co-writer on Stand Back but her charm worked....

[bombaysaffires]

Going back to 2013 interviews is fascinating with the knowledge of what would eventually happen. I had forgotten all about this one:

https://fleetwoodmac-uk.com/wp/the-mojo-interview-stevie-nicks-dec-2013/

Lindsey also told MOJO: “There are still parts of mine and Stevie’s relationship that are unresolved and it will be interesting to visit that on this next tour…”

Stevie: He’s probably referring to what I call ‘The Talk.’ About a year and a half ago I told him everything I had wanted to say to him since 1968. I said, “Do you remember how cute we were? How we could walk into the room together and people would be mesmerized because we were so funny and smart?” I said, “Lindsey, if we can’t go back to being those people, I’m going to quit. I have other people I can work with that treat me with warmth and utter respect, and in my world there’s never a harsh word spoken.”

And his reaction?
Stevie: He was very quiet. I said, “The ball’s in your park, Lindsey 2013 better be great.

So has it been great? When the pair of you hold hands on-stage now what’s going on there exactly? The hand-holding on the 2009 tour seemed a bit hammy..

Stevie: That’s interesting. My cousin John has known Lindsey and I since 1968. He told me, “When I saw you and Lindsey play with Fleetwood Mac in 2009, there was nothing between you. It was as if you were thinking, ‘What shall I get from room service tonight? Grilled cheese? Tomato soup?” Hammy wasn’t the word for Lindsey and I in 2009 – it was totally fake. But what you see on-stage now is not fake. It is loving, and it is as close to those two people who met as teenagers as you could hope for. Every night I tell the story of Without You, the poem that I wrote in 1972 before we made the BuckinghamNicks album. The story has become longer than the song, and I told Lindsey, “I’m sorry, I’m trying to shorten it.” He goes, “Don’t worry, Stevie – it’s charming.” Three years ago he would have been like, “Are you kidding? We could do The Green Manalishi in that time…”

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So you want your ex to treat you as if you're still a couple (40 years after the fact!) and that's how you're going to judge if you're being respected on tour?

It was totally fake in 2009, but it's somehow not fake in 2013 despite threatening to quit if he didn't pretend to be your boyfriend? It's no wonder Lindsey suggested that Stevie was still in love with him during the 2021 press feud.

I've got nothing...

this made me laugh because I suddenly remembered that image of a handwritten note from Stevie way back when to someone-- like staff somewhere.--- listing the foods that she liked and I swear it said grilled cheese and tomato soup:laugh:

[BigAl84]

Another gem from 2013
Nicks said that the rest of the band wanted to tour last year, but that she’d been so happy with her most recent solo album, “In Your Dreams,” that she wanted to dedicate more time to supporting it. “I sat everybody down and said, ‘Listen, please understand. I’m never going to break this band up. Never. I’m never going to leave you. I’m just going to go away for under a year’ to focus on the record.

Fast forward to "somebody in the band didn't want to tour..." in 2018

[BigAl84]

LOL...this article summarizes alllllllll the double standards
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/blogs/stop-the-presses/preparing-mac-attack-2013-stevie-nicks-lindsey-buckingham-203743367.html?guccounter=1

[bombaysaffires]

Great article.

Among the many bits that made me laugh was this one: "Fleetwood Mac will be releasing two new songs before the tour begins: “Sad Angel” and “Miss Fantasy,” both written by Buckingham but sung largely by Nicks."

What versions of those songs did the writer hear???

also interesting that she indicates they re-recorded Without You to be a sort of bonus track to a 40th anniversary re-release of Buckingham Nicks. That would have been disastrous.... nothing would show how deteriorated her voice is than that new version next to the original stuff. :eek:

[UnwindedDreams]

Another gem from 2013
Nicks said that the rest of the band wanted to tour last year, but that she’d been so happy with her most recent solo album, “In Your Dreams,” that she wanted to dedicate more time to supporting it. “I sat everybody down and said, ‘Listen, please understand. I’m never going to break this band up. Never. I’m never going to leave you. I’m just going to go away for under a year’ to focus on the record.

Fast forward to "somebody in the band didn't want to tour..." in 2018
Stevie should have learned guitar so she could’ve played and been front person like Gaga and Sheryl Crow. Would have never needed Lindsey!

[BigAl84]

They were SUPER close to releasing Buckingham Nicks back in 2012/2013. This interview shares both the perspective from both of them. There seems to have been some kind of disagreement with what to do with Without You.

I kinda get the impression that Stevie wanted to throw it onto a Buckingham Nicks re-issue as a bonus track, do a few shows, and kinda cram it into the year that Fleetwood Mac would have been touring in 2013. Lindsey wanted to wait and do it right and not rush through it. Lindsey seemed thrown for a loop that she shows up with a long lost Buckingham Nicks track she wants to work on, yet wasn't open to working on any Fleetwood Mac material just prior to the "get together" they had to work on "Without You"

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/qa-stevie-nicks-and-lindsey-buckingham-reveal-lingering-tensions-in-fleetwood-mac-233617/

[soul_drifter333]

Seriously it shouldn't have been that hard to figure out (at least to reasonable people). They could have remastered BN at the start of the 2003 tour with 2 new tracks, one Stevie and one Lindsey, and performed a mini BN set in the middle of the FM set with Mick and John playing. The music isn't that didn't different to make it sound consistent as one show. The fans would have gone nuts and it would have sold a ton more copies of BN. Of course, and as usual, that didn't happen and now we won't get any new music from the 5 and, more than likely, no remastered BN. At this point so much time has passed very few people still care.

I actually enjoyed the 2003 shows that I saw and those were the last FM shows that I ever saw.

[jmn3]

Seriously it shouldn't have been that hard to figure out (at least to reasonable people). They could have remastered BN at the start of the 2003 tour with 2 new tracks, one Stevie and one Lindsey, and performed a mini BN set in the middle of the FM set with Mick and John playing. The music isn't that didn't different to make it sound consistent as one show. The fans would have gone nuts and it would have sold a ton more copies of BN. Of course, and as usual, that didn't happen and now we won't get any new music from the 5 and, more than likely, no remastered BN. At this point so much time has passed very few people still care.

I actually enjoyed the 2003 shows that I saw and those were the last FM shows that I ever saw.

And it would've been different enough to do that kind of set in 2013 than what they did in 2003 that Mick easily could have milked another live release out of it to make a fortune by spotlighting that Buckingham Nicks mini set. They're a band of missed opportunities. I will long say that 1998 was the time to strike Buckingham Nicks GOLD but in absence of that, 2013 would have worked quite nicely. Now, who cares indeed. They're so dumb. And she's the leader of the dumb.

[bombaysaffires]

They were SUPER close to releasing Buckingham Nicks back in 2012/2013. This interview shares both the perspective from both of them. There seems to have been some kind of disagreement with what to do with Without You.

I kinda get the impression that Stevie wanted to throw it onto a Buckingham Nicks re-issue as a bonus track, do a few shows, and kinda cram it into the year that Fleetwood Mac would have been touring in 2013. Lindsey wanted to wait and do it right and not rush through it. Lindsey seemed thrown for a loop that she shows up with a long lost Buckingham Nicks track she wants to work on, yet wasn't open to working on any Fleetwood Mac material just prior to the "get together" they had to work on "Without You"

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/qa-stevie-nicks-and-lindsey-buckingham-reveal-lingering-tensions-in-fleetwood-mac-233617/

It was great spending time with Linds. We’re old enough now that we’ve laid down our weapons. We started this whole thing in 1968 and we’re proud of what we’ve done. We look each other in a slightly different light now. It’s a good light.

Clearly not for long.

Question: A lot of your peers have been playing their classic albums straight through on recent tours. Has there been any talk of doing Rumours straight through?

Well, no. But we do a lot of songs from Rumours. If we did that, we would really be left with only a certain amount of time to do the hit songs that people want from all the other records. So that would be a very different tour. That’s not to say we couldn’t do it, but that’s not the tour we’re doing this year. It might be fun at some point though. It might even be a good idea to film that. Then we could talk about each song and all the experiencers that went along with them.

Guess we'll never get that either now. The funny thing is, LB seemed genuinely interested in the possibility.

[bwboy]

They were SUPER close to releasing Buckingham Nicks back in 2012/2013. This interview shares both the perspective from both of them. There seems to have been some kind of disagreement with what to do with Without You.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/qa-stevie-nicks-and-lindsey-buckingham-reveal-lingering-tensions-in-fleetwood-mac-233617/

Thank you for posting this! So interesting to read, even more so now.

A ton of interesting stuff, but I was surprised when Lindsey said he couldn’t imagine a BN tour when the album only had nine songs. I guess Lindsey forgot that he and Stevie did several shows to support the album when it first came out LOL! Even besides the 9 songs on the album, of course they could perform I Don’t Want to Know, Twisted, and other select FM songs that featured Lindsey and Stevie. Heck, even Peacekeeper and Say You Will.

Another surprising tidbit was the interviewer’s great idea to perform each album straight through- except no one pointed out they couldn’t because Christine wasn’t in the band at that time. But one solution would have been to perform the White album and Rumours straight through together- that would have been pretty damn incredible.

[BigAl84]

It’s such a shame. If those two had some sort of middle man to help figure things out, I wonder what could have happened. Everything was always done through the lense of Fleetwood Mac projects and all of the management and lawyers that went with it. Had they had a third party that would simply help them map out what they wanted and when. Somebody with a background in conflict mediation and artist management.

[sleepless child]

Very interesting that Stevie suggested BN shows in between Fm shows. And Lindsey didn't want to do it. But in 2017 when Lindsey suggests doing the same thing for his project she uses it as an excuse to fire him. And then lie to the press. What a load of crap!

[Macfan4life]

Thank you for posting this! So interesting to read, even more so now.

A ton of interesting stuff, but I was surprised when Lindsey said he couldn’t imagine a BN tour when the album only had nine songs. I guess Lindsey forgot that he and Stevie did several shows to support the album when it first came out LOL! Even besides the 9 songs on the album, of course they could perform I Don’t Want to Know, Twisted, and other select FM songs that featured Lindsey and Stevie. Heck, even Peacekeeper and Say You Will.

Another surprising tidbit was the interviewer’s great idea to perform each album straight through- except no one pointed out they couldn’t because Christine wasn’t in the band at that time. But one solution would have been to perform the White album and Rumours straight through together- that would have been pretty damn incredible.
Why do you think for those tours without Chris that they did not perform a few Buckingham/Nicks songs. When they were touring after SYW and not promoting something big, it would have been the perfect time. I remember thinking that it would have been the perfect time to do Frozen Love, Dont Let Me Down Again, and Crying In The Night.
My hunch it was for the same reason they dont do many deep cuts. They fear the audience will not know the songs. It shows how shallow and superficial the people are that flock to their shows.

[bwboy]

Why do you think for those tours without Chris that they did not perform a few Buckingham/Nicks songs. When they were touring after SYW and not promoting something big, it would have been the perfect time. I remember thinking that it would have been the perfect time to do Frozen Love, Dont Let Me Down Again, and Crying In The Night.
My hunch it was for the same reason they dont do many deep cuts. They fear the audience will not know the songs. It shows how shallow and superficial the people are that flock to their shows.

I think that was probably why they both thought a separate Buckingham Nicks tour would have been more appropriate- because like you said, some of the audience would not have reacted well to the songs they didn’t know. It was really unfortunate a tour like that never happened- hardcore fans familiar with that material would have been in Heaven. Especially in a more intimate venue. I think many of us would have paid big money to hear them perform that album.

Which reminds me… something else from the interview that really caught my eye was Lindsey’s reaction to Stevie’s idea that some of the other original band join them on that tour, including Waddy. Lindsey’s reaction was perfectly fine if perhaps surprised, but I wonder how he really would have felt with a guitarist like Waddy also on stage? I know there’s always an extra guitarist with FM when they tour, but usually in the background. Waddy is not one to stay in the background, though. It would be similar to if one of the background singers got to stand between Stevie and Lindsey- no way Stevie would like or agree to that. Likewise, I think it would understandably be hard on Lindsey to share a stage with Waddy. Not because Waddy would outshine Lindsey (because he couldn’t) but just having another guitarist roaming around the stage would be uncomfortable.

[BigAl84]

I don’t think Lindsey necessarily had an issue with Waddy, it kinda sounded like he was just shocked…not only did they finally seem to agree to release the album, but she also wanted to tour with the original band!? With her being completely MIA on all projects with him outside of FM, it must of been an out of left field who are you!? moment.

[BigAl84]

I’ve always wondered has Rhino/Reprise ever tried to get them to release it!? Mock up the whole package, remaster the whole thing. Do the liner notes etc. Send it to their agents with a contract/angree and see what happens.

Even if they don’t have access to the tapes, they could mock up a package and dangle the carrot in front of them. I have a hard time believing nobody has tried that yet. They would be foolish not to. $$$ to be made.

[BigAl84]

I almost put this in a separate thread, but since we're all talking about this now...how did this fly under the radar? Apparently there was a Buckingham Nicks book proposed for the 33 1/3 book series about 5+ years ago that never came to fruition. The writer made a blog post about it:

https://carriecourogen.tumblr.com/post/164937197480/on-buckingham-nicks-44-years-later

[sleepless child]

I almost put this in a separate thread, but since we're all talking about this now...how did this fly under the radar? Apparently there was a Buckingham Nicks book proposed for the 33 1/3 book series about 5+ years ago that never came to fruition. The writer made a blog post about it:

https://carriecourogen.tumblr.com/post/164937197480/on-buckingham-nicks-44-years-later

Wow! what a great article. She nails it for me. I was lucky enough to find a BN record in a Heck's store back in 1982. I couldn't believe it. I think I paid 5 or 10 dollars for it. Heck's was like a Wal-mart. LOL. It is my most beloved collectable. I loved that Lori was questioned about it also. Her answer is spot on.

[jbrownsjr]

This was a fantastic interview. I love how honest and direct it was.

[bombaysaffires]

I think that was probably why they both thought a separate Buckingham Nicks tour would have been more appropriate- because like you said, some of the audience would not have reacted well to the songs they didn’t know. It was really unfortunate a tour like that never happened- hardcore fans familiar with that material would have been in Heaven. Especially in a more intimate venue. I think many of us would have paid big money to hear them perform that album.

Which reminds me… something else from the interview that really caught my eye was Lindsey’s reaction to Stevie’s idea that some of the other original band join them on that tour, including Waddy. Lindsey’s reaction was perfectly fine if perhaps surprised, but I wonder how he really would have felt with a guitarist like Waddy also on stage? I know there’s always an extra guitarist with FM when they tour, but usually in the background. Waddy is not one to stay in the background, though. It would be similar to if one of the background singers got to stand between Stevie and Lindsey- no way Stevie would like or agree to that. Likewise, I think it would understandably be hard on Lindsey to share a stage with Waddy. Not because Waddy would outshine Lindsey (because he couldn’t) but just having another guitarist roaming around the stage would be uncomfortable.

I think in part he was also thinking of the cost-- Waddy ain't gonna donate his time, and he doesn't come cheap. Also, it diminishes the whole point of a BN tour, and why people would want to see it....

[UnwindedDreams]

I think in part he was also thinking of the cost-- Waddy ain't gonna donate his time, and he doesn't come cheap. Also, it diminishes the whole point of a BN tour, and why people would want to see it....
I remember these interviews like yesterday. Stevie, God love her, speaks conjecture, and she talked about getting BN together for a tour.

Lindsey, even though he might not make money on his solo tours, understood the business of touring when he start digesting Stevie's thoughts out loud. He was saying when would we rehearse? We couldn't do a BN tour in between FM tour legs because it wouldn't be enough touring to break even.

It was on The Ledge someone said Lindsey cut back some of the moving stage pieces on the 2013 Tour after a few shows to shave costs. They heard him say it in catering...maybe it was to John.

[Nicks Fan]

Listening to that made me even more glad I skipped the Fakewood Mac tour of 2018-2019.I still remember Mick saying this is a new band a new chapter. Sure Mick and where's the new music? You did one mostly hits tour and that's it.

They are one of the worst run bands out there. They have re released many of their most popular albums over and over but ignored things real fans are dying for like The Tusk Documentary on DVD, The complete 82 and 87 Concerts on DVD to name a few.

I question though how he can say Mick is a good businessman. If he's such a good businessman why does it seem every recent FM Tour was get out of bankruptcy tour for Mick.

Reading that Yahoo interview was hilarious. Stevie is such a hypocrite, Virtually anything she has said bad about someone else in the band, she herself is guilty of. She's became a nostalgia lounge act ignoring great songs from her back catalog in favor of stale songs she's way overplayed.

Lindsey is making a new album and she's doing her standard hits tour.

I'd like to say FM is over but Irving just might get the 4 back together for a final tour marked as a tribute to Christine.

[jbrownsjr]

I'd like to say FM is over but Irving just might get the 4 back together for a final tour marked as a tribute to Christine.

If Stevie brings the spirit catcher, I'm in! :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

If Stevie brings the spirit catcher, I'm in! :xoxo:

I need the singing fish on the board. OR I'M OUT!

god she's stupid...

[jbrownsjr]

I need the singing fish on the board. OR I'M OUT!

god she's stupid...

She can use her spirit catcher and then they can put Christine on screen and go into Don't Stop.

[UnwindedDreams]

She can use her spirit catcher and then they can put Christine on screen and go into Don't Stop.
The next tour will be all pre-75 songs and Stevie will actually stay on stage for every pre-75 song as opposed to 2018.

[jbrownsjr]

The next tour will be all pre-75 songs and Stevie will actually stay on stage for every pre-75 song as opposed to 2018.

Just her and a harp. :o

[UnwindedDreams]

Just her and a harp. :o
But Stevie on a blues harp!

You loved the Ah Ah Ah Ah Ah Ahs on Black Magic Woman. I’m like “is she trying to arouse us?”

[Macfan4life]

She can use her spirit catcher and then they can put Christine on screen and go into Don't Stop.
That can work only if the lyrics scroll on the big screen behind her. A big ball can bounce on top of each word so she knows when to come in.

[jbrownsjr]

That can work only if the lyrics scroll on the big screen behind her. A big ball can bounce on top of each word so she knows when to come in.

After hearing Stand Back in Columbus, I think she needs exactly that. She was just belting words out at a crowd not paying attention. And perhaps work in some auto tune.

She needs to do some small theaters and polish things up.

[mylittledemon]

If Stevie brings the spirit catcher, I'm in! :xoxo:

Make sure you put it on the mantelpiece :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Make sure you put it on the mantelpiece :lol:

Let's just put that over here....Stevie... :laugh:

[BigAl84]

After hearing Stand Back in Columbus, I think she needs exactly that. She was just belting words out at a crowd not paying attention. And perhaps work in some auto tune.

She needs to do some small theaters and polish things up.

It's so hard to witness, I really loved all the qualities of her voice from '97-'00. During those years I preferred her current voice at that time over her Tusk tour voice etc. She had that amazing lower register, but could also do this amazing reach for the higher notes.

Since about 2009 the elasticity in her voice has vanished more and more every year/tour. I think that Stand Back performance in Columbus is a new level of weirdness.

[jbrownsjr]

It's so hard to witness, I really loved all the qualities of her voice from '97-'00. During those years I preferred her current voice at that time over her Tusk tour voice etc. She had that amazing lower register, but could also do this amazing reach for the higher notes.

Since about 2009 the elasticity in her voice has vanished more and more every year/tour. I think that Stand Back performance in Columbus is a new level of weirdness.

I felt that weirdness during Gypsy 2018 Los Angeles Forum. The sound was just awful to the point where people were looking at each other on the floor. It was kind of like Stand Back, Columbus.

[sleepless child]

I too really loved her voice since 1987. Even during the Kolonopin years she still had a great voice. I thought during the Enchanted tour in 1998 she was losing some of the high notes, but really, even during the 2005-20010 years her voice was still great. I loved her singing on Beauty and the Beast. I don't think she could do it now. I really hope after this tour she and her team really take a hard look at the performances and hopefully can see it's not worth it anymore. She has so many other things she could do. But I don't know if she knows how to be without the stage. Reminds me of Deborah Vance on HBO's Hacks.

[BigAl84]

She's running into issues because she insists on singing the material the same way she always has, presumably with some sort of guidance from her vocal coach. Clearly it sounds like there is even so much he can do at this point.

Her entire approach to live performances needs a reboot.

I'd also love to know what the mix preferences are for all of the in-ear monitors for the band members on stage. Bass 70%, Drums 70%, Keys 65%, Stevie lead 5% LOLOL....I cannot imagine having some of these vocals coming directly into your ear.

[jmn3]

She's running into issues because she insists on singing the material the same way she always has, presumably with some sort of guidance from her vocal coach. Clearly it sounds like there is even so much he can do at this point.

Her entire approach to live performances needs a reboot.

I'd also love to know what the mix preferences are for all of the in-ear monitors for the band members on stage. Bass 70%, Drums 70%, Keys 65%, Stevie lead 5% LOLOL....I cannot imagine having some of these vocals coming directly into your ear.

This. She could put on a good show if she rearranged some songs, lowered some keys, and played a stage that makes sense for her age. Not to mention digging into her catalog for some songs that translate better with her current capabilities. Trying to croak out the same Stand Back or Gypsy or Rhiannon hasn’t worked for her in at least ten years.

[jbrownsjr]

She's running into issues because she insists on singing the material the same way she always has, presumably with some sort of guidance from her vocal coach. Clearly it sounds like there is even so much he can do at this point.

Her entire approach to live performances needs a reboot.

I'd also love to know what the mix preferences are for all of the in-ear monitors for the band members on stage. Bass 70%, Drums 70%, Keys 65%, Stevie lead 5% LOLOL....I cannot imagine having some of these vocals coming directly into your ear.

It also freaked me out that she was in the day singing a hit, and it looked like nobody was even paying attention.