Where Is Sharon? Orlando 5-25

[WatchChain]

Looking at videos of the 5-25-23 show in Orlando, Florida, Sharon Celani is noticeably absent from the stage. Sharon, where are you? Did Stevie make any announcement during the show regarding the absence of Sharon?

This is the first time I've seen Stevie perform with only one backup singer. Moreover, it's the first time since 1979 that Stevie has performed a major concert without Sharon Celani standing somewhere on stage. Also interesting, the harmony vocals still sound present and full.

Sharon.....where are you? Sharon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du8eBi1zS18

[vivfox]

One of the FB fan reviewers who attended said that Stevie made no mention of Sharon but they also said Sharon's vocals were piped in. People are assuming that Sharon has covid.

[WatchChain]

One of the FB fan reviewers who attended said that Stevie made no mention of Sharon but they also said Sharon's vocals were piped in. People are assuming that Sharon has covid.

How many shows has Sharon missed?
The stage looks a little empty with only one background singer? Maybe we should fly in Lori Perry to substitute.

[jmn3]

One of the FB fan reviewers who attended said that Stevie made no mention of Sharon but they also said Sharon's vocals were piped in. People are assuming that Sharon has covid.

Oh my. Prerecorded vocals. Shame shame.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh my. Prerecorded vocals. Shame shame.

It makes me have little interest in seeing ANY shows now. 90+% of acts play with karaoke tracks now.

That's why Mirage was the last time they were a true band(even though there was a hidden keyboard player and drummer).

WHO THE F*CK DECIDED THAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO SOUND EXACTLY LIKE THE RECORD, NOW? Because, OFF WITH THEIR HEAD!!!!

[WatchChain]

It makes me have little interest in seeing ANY shows now. 90+% of act play with karaoke tracks now.

That's why Mirage was the last time they were a true band(even though there was a hidden keyboard player and drummer).

WHO THE F*CK DECIDED THAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO SOUND EXACTLY LIKE THE RECORD, NOW? Because, OFF WITH THEIR HEAD!!!!

I wholeheartedly agree. Most of the classic rock dinosaur acts are using layered karaoke tracks in their arena tours. Even Springsteen, known for his impromptu varying set lists, seems to be using layered tracks.

The layered tracks are also the reason why the set list cannot be changed or deviated from - the technology plays the show like a recording down to the minute - with inserted talk breaks. Teleprompters can be seen onstage to give the artists visual ques. Technolgy has killed the energy and spontaneity of live music tours - it's all just a watered-down corporation.

It seems to me that Sharon Celani and Marilyn Martin are just lip synching to their pre-recorded backing vocals. The show can easily be done without them.

[HomerMcvie]

I wholeheartedly agree. Most of the classic rock dinosaur acts are using layered karaoke tracks in their arena tours. Even Springsteen, known for his impromptu varying set lists, seems to be using layered tracks.

The layered tracks are also the reason why the set list cannot be changed or deviated from - the technology plays the show like a recording down to the minute - with inserted talk breaks. Teleprompters can be seen onstage to give the artists visual ques. Technolgy has killed the energy and spontaneity of live music tours - it's all just a watered-down corporation.

It seems to me that Sharon Celani and Marilyn Martin are just lip synching to their pre-recorded backing vocals. The show can easily be done without them.
When Brett died, the music continued without replacing him. Just unmute his tracks.:mad:

It is just a watered down corporation now. Just a bidness.

[UnwindedDreams]

Oh my. Prerecorded vocals. Shame shame.

Is there any chance Sharon could have been on the side of the stage, down the stairs singing at microphone?

[HomerMcvie]

Is there any chance Sharon could have been on the side of the stage, down the stairs singing at microphone?

Why would they do that, unless she unexpectedly grew a hump on her back, overnight?

[UnwindedDreams]

Why would they do that, unless she unexpectedly grew a hump on her back, overnight?

My thinking was to keep her away if she had Covid or just had it but really it makes sense for her not to be there at all. I answered my own question:laugh:

[jmn3]

It makes me have little interest in seeing ANY shows now. 90+% of acts play with karaoke tracks now.

That's why Mirage was the last time they were a true band(even though there was a hidden keyboard player and drummer).

WHO THE F*CK DECIDED THAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO SOUND EXACTLY LIKE THE RECORD, NOW? Because, OFF WITH THEIR HEAD!!!!

So I was too young to notice any of this stuff but in looking back, clearly the technology changed a ton during the mid-80’s. It seems that almost every act, especially the older ones who toured earlier and later, started to change to a more glossy sounding, truer to the recording approach sometime in the mid to late 80’s.

Fleetwood Mac 1982 vs 1987 is pretty night and day. And it’s not just Lindsey leaving and Rick and Billy replacing him. I suspect had Lindsey stayed, the “raw” 1982 version of the band would’ve been unrecognizable in 1987. The Rolling Stones 1982 vs. 1989 are the same way. It’s jarring how much more slick everything got and stayed that way - it’s only gotten worse.

The joy of listening to old live shows now is hearing how varied and unique each tour was - and in many cases, each SHOW! The evolution of a song throughout a tour is much more interesting to me than just hearing the same exact track night after night. I know that the shows are designed for the fan sitting in the arena that night as opposed to some guy listening to a recording on YouTube 40 years later, but it just seems to lose some of the rock and roll aspect when everything is so predetermined and “coded.”

I do understand that for bands like Fleetwood Mac or Eagles whose studio recordings are meticulously crafted, recreating the songs on stage isn’t easy and I’m not against some degree of augmentation to fill out the sound. But it just seems everyone is taking that way too far and creating boring predictable outcomes.

[Macfan4life]

I find it hard to believe they would need to use Sharon recorded tracks. Marilyn has some pipes on her. I would think she could get by with one backing vocalist. The other musicians also have microphones and sing a little back up too. Sharon's voice is really heard on Stand Back and on Edge of 17. I would love to hear the pre-recorded tracks if its on youtube.

[Macfan4life]

So I was too young to notice any of this stuff but in looking back, clearly the technology changed a ton during the mid-80’s. It seems that almost every act, especially the older ones who toured earlier and later, started to change to a more glossy sounding, truer to the recording approach sometime in the mid to late 80’s.

Fleetwood Mac 1982 vs 1987 is pretty night and day. And it’s not just Lindsey leaving and Rick and Billy replacing him. I suspect had Lindsey stayed, the “raw” 1982 version of the band would’ve been unrecognizable in 1987. The Rolling Stones 1982 vs. 1989 are the same way. It’s jarring how much more slick everything got and stayed that way - it’s only gotten worse.

The joy of listening to old live shows now is hearing how varied and unique each tour was - and in many cases, each SHOW! The evolution of a song throughout a tour is much more interesting to me than just hearing the same exact track night after night. I know that the shows are designed for the fan sitting in the arena that night as opposed to some guy listening to a recording on YouTube 40 years later, but it just seems to lose some of the rock and roll aspect when everything is so predetermined and “coded.”

I do understand that for bands like Fleetwood Mac or Eagles whose studio recordings are meticulously crafted, recreating the songs on stage isn’t easy and I’m not against some degree of augmentation to fill out the sound. But it just seems everyone is taking that way too far and creating boring predictable outcomes.
That's what makes the 1980 Live album so special. It showcases the band as a rock group where they would jam out and make uses of the only 5 members on stage with a little Ray Lindsey thrown in.

[bombaysaffires]

That's what makes the 1980 Live album so special. It showcases the band as a rock group where they would jam out and make uses of the only 5 members on stage with a little Ray Lindsey thrown in.

except even that was sweetened and cleaned up in the studio.... so how raw and real is it really? More than today, sure, but.....

[vivfox]

The joy of listening to old live shows now is hearing how varied and unique each tour was - and in many cases, each SHOW! The evolution of a song throughout a tour is much more interesting to me than just hearing the same exact track night after night.

I still love listening to my Tusk Tour bootlegs for this reason. All the live tracks evolved over that 10 month tour. Before Tusk I was always enamored with Rhiannon live from any White album or Rumours album tour but after Tusk, none of those early Rhiannon's could match the brilliance of the Tusk Tour ones IMO. Even with the other songs they did, it is such a thrill to hear the Tusk Tour versions. Sadly I was only able to attend one Tusk concert and it wasn't very good and it was also in the 3rd month of the tour. Their fire wasn't lit until they headed over to Japan & Australia. That's when they started to burn. Then when they moved over to Europe they were blazing and rode that wave back through the USA to end the tour.

[UnwindedDreams]

This is why I liked when Stevie had 3 bg singers.
Anyone know why Mindy Stein and Jana Anderson left?

When Lori retired in 2016, Stevvi Alexander from the OWTS Tour wasn’t asked to do the 24 Karat Gold Tour because Stevie wanted Marilyn Martin. But I can’t recall why Mindy and Jana left. There was a story once that Waddy yelled at Jana for dancing or for something she wore. Something like that

[BigAl84]

I don't recall the backstory with Jana etc...it did seem like a while back there was a bit of downsizing/reconfiguring with her solo band. I think Brett Tuggle last played with her in 2012 and Lenny Castro exited sometime around then. Jimmy Paxson also hasn't played with her in quite a while. Based on Brett's comments to Rolling Stone, she had a big beef with any of them playing in Lindsey's band.

I always thought Mindy and Jana sounded the best. I've never found the combo of Marilyn and Sharon to be anything to write home about. The harmonies were better when there were 3 backup singers, IMO.

[HomerMcvie]

Jimmy Paxson also hasn't played with her in quite a while. Based on Brett's comments to Rolling Stone, she had a big beef with any of them playing in Lindsey's band.


Good lord she's the most childish, selfish, self absorbed person who ever breathed air.

[BigAl84]

How did you find out that you weren’t going to be on the tour (2018 Fleetwood Mac Tour)?
Funnily enough, Lindsey called to tell me that he’d been fired the week after MusiCares. He calls me and goes, “Brett, I’ve had the weirdest week ever.” He was on the phone with Irving [Azoff], who basically chewed him out on the phone. He was fired per Stevie’s request.

I didn’t know how that would affect me, but I thought my gig was probably safe only because I got along with everyone so well, especially with Christine since I was there to support her and her keyboard role. I actually went down to Hawaii to rehearse with them with Mike Campbell and Neil Finn.

We got down there and did a couple days of rehearsal, but something felt weird with Stevie. I could tell something was off with her. I think she had already made up her mind about me being Lindsey’s guy. I think my fate was already sealed whether I was there or not.

I was really shocked when I got the call that they weren’t going to use me. I also realized that I was in the middle of the politics of Lindsey and Stevie and this band and there was nothing I was going to be able to do about it. I had become Lindsey’s guy and that was it and I had to accept it. There was nothing else I could do.

I just jumped into music and doing a tour with Lindsey, which was refreshing and at least gave us some common ground together. I grew even closer to Lindsey in terms of friendship and music. All of a sudden, we were both outcasts and he was on my side.

[BigAl84]

But remember Kids!


https://www.azquotes.com/vangogh-image-quotes/81/3/Quotation-Stevie-Nicks-Your-graciousness-is-what-carries-you-It-isn-t-how-81-3-0369.jpg

[Macfan4life]

How did you find out that you weren’t going to be on the tour (2018 Fleetwood Mac Tour)?
Funnily enough, Lindsey called to tell me that he’d been fired the week after MusiCares. He calls me and goes, “Brett, I’ve had the weirdest week ever.” He was on the phone with Irving [Azoff], who basically chewed him out on the phone. He was fired per Stevie’s request.

I didn’t know how that would affect me, but I thought my gig was probably safe only because I got along with everyone so well, especially with Christine since I was there to support her and her keyboard role. I actually went down to Hawaii to rehearse with them with Mike Campbell and Neil Finn.

We got down there and did a couple days of rehearsal, but something felt weird with Stevie. I could tell something was off with her. I think she had already made up her mind about me being Lindsey’s guy. I think my fate was already sealed whether I was there or not.

I was really shocked when I got the call that they weren’t going to use me. I also realized that I was in the middle of the politics of Lindsey and Stevie and this band and there was nothing I was going to be able to do about it. I had become Lindsey’s guy and that was it and I had to accept it. There was nothing else I could do.

I just jumped into music and doing a tour with Lindsey, which was refreshing and at least gave us some common ground together. I grew even closer to Lindsey in terms of friendship and music. All of a sudden, we were both outcasts and he was on my side.
She is so vindictive, cold hearted and mean. Its was so insulting for Brett to go to Hawaii and rehearse with the band. And because of everyone walking on eggshells Stevie gets Brett fired before the tour even begins because he is friends with Lindsey. She is a witch and the rest of the band has no courage or loyalty. The tour should have been called "The Witch's Way 2018" It appears she threw another tantrum........its him or me.

She is the Nellie Olson of rock.

[Straightback]

She is the Nellie Olson of rock.

:laugh:

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[sue]

:laugh:

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That is sooo funny, I almost swallowed my wine gum…

[UnwindedDreams]

I don't recall the backstory with Jana etc...it did seem like a while back there was a bit of downsizing/reconfiguring with her solo band. I think Brett Tuggle last played with her in 2012 and Lenny Castro exited sometime around then. Jimmy Paxson also hasn't played with her in quite a while. Based on Brett's comments to Rolling Stone, she had a big beef with any of them playing in Lindsey's band.

I always thought Mindy and Jana sounded the best. I've never found the combo of Marilyn and Sharon to be anything to write home about. The harmonies were better when there were 3 backup singers, IMO.
It seems to me when Lori retired, Stevie wanted someone who was part of her 1980s harmonies. And Marilyn was with her in 1983. Marilyn I feel is a better singer than Sharon and has higher range, but I liked Jana Anderson a lot. Of course, Lori was the best.

Stevvi Alexander also hit very high notes during the FM tours.

I respect Sharon for being with Stevie for all of her albums, but her voice to me is really fried at this point.

[Macfan4life]

That is sooo funny, I almost swallowed my wine gum…
Its funny but not really funny. Poor Brett had to suffer her wrath because he did not throw himself on the altar of Stevie worship. Brett has performed with them since the Dance and was key when Chris left and also performed in their solo gigs. He gets the call to start rehearsal in Hawaii with the band. Stevie feels him out. Brett stays neutral and in his corner. But Brett did not bend to Stevie and tell her what she wanted to hear: Lindsey is a horrible person and you are the best Stevie! So Stevie's agent tells Mick that she wants Brett gone. Mick goes into his closet and finds his 1995 fax machine (the same one that he fired Bekka with) and someone tells Brett he is not needed.
Brett knew the songs already. Chris needed help on keyboard more than ever. Stevie has no right to tell Chris who should be backing her up on keyboards. She got to decide who plays guitar for Fleetwood Mac and Keyboards.
Its childish but really ruthless. This is exactly what Nellie Olson would do.
There is a Little House on the Prairie episode called "Music Box.' Its Nellie being the most nasty ever. So much so that actress Allison Arngrim went to the writers and producers of the show to express even she thought this was too far and mean even for her character Nellie.
In the episode Nellie is jealous of Laura's friendship with a stuttering girl. Nellie continuously teases and mocks the girl at school. Laura is the poor girl's only friend. One day Laura takes a music box from Nellie's room and accidently breaks it. Because its broken she is afraid to return it to Nellie. Nellie finds out that Laura broke the music box. But instead of telling Laura's parents, Nellie develops an evil plan. She blackmails Laura to start being mean to the stuttering girl. Even Laura's sister asks her why she is acting so mean lately. Poor Laura tosses and turns in bed having nightmares of the brutal stuff Nellie makes Laura do. But it gets worse. Nellie has a party and goes to the house of the stuttering girl to personally invite her. Her parents are suspicious because they know Nellie teases her. But the girl begs her parents to let her go. At the party Nellie brings out a book of tongue teasers and makes the girl to try and say them. All the girls laugh and the poor girl runs home humiliated again. Nellie was mean and vindicative and had a master plan of evil control.
So how could anyone say Stevie is not just like Nellie Olson. It makes me want to go buy a Nellie wig and sit in her front row.
Poor Brett was just like the stuttering girl. Come over Brett. We are in Hawaii practicing for a huge world tour. It will be fun and you will make lots of money.
Oh no you wont!

[UnwindedDreams]

Its funny but not really funny. Poor Brett had to suffer her wrath because he did not throw himself on the altar of Stevie worship. Brett has performed with them since the Dance and was key when Chris left and also performed in their solo gigs. He gets the call to start rehearsal in Hawaii with the band. Stevie feels him out. Brett stays neutral and in his corner. But Brett did not bend to Stevie and tell her what she wanted to hear: Lindsey is a horrible person and you are the best Stevie! So Stevie's agent tells Mick that she wants Brett gone. Mick goes into his closet and finds his 1995 fax machine (the same one that he fired Bekka with) and someone tells Brett he is not needed.
Brett knew the songs already. Chris needed help on keyboard more than ever. Stevie has no right to tell Chris who should be backing her up on keyboards. She got to decide who plays guitar for Fleetwood Mac and Keyboards.
Its childish but really ruthless. This is exactly what Nellie Olson would do.
There is a Little House on the Prairie episode called "Music Box.' Its Nellie being the most nasty ever. So much so that actress Allison Arngrim went to the writers and producers of the show to express even she thought this was too far and mean even for her character Nellie.
In the episode Nellie is jealous of Laura's friendship with a stuttering girl. Nellie continuously teases and mocks the girl at school. Laura is the poor girl's only friend. One day Laura takes a music box from Nellie's room and accidently breaks it. Because its broken she is afraid to return it to Nellie. Nellie finds out that Laura broke the music box. But instead of telling Laura's parents, Nellie develops an evil plan. She blackmails Laura to start being mean to the stuttering girl. Even Laura's sister asks her why she is acting so mean lately. Poor Laura tosses and turns in bed having nightmares of the brutal stuff Nellie makes Laura do. But it gets worse. Nellie has a party and goes to the house of the stuttering girl to personally invite her. Her parents are suspicious because they know Nellie teases her. But the girl begs her parents to let her go. At the party Nellie brings out a book of tongue teasers and makes the girl to try and say them. All the girls laugh and the poor girl runs home humiliated again. Nellie was mean and vindicative and had a master plan of evil control.
So how could anyone say Stevie is not just like Nellie Olson. It makes me want to go buy a Nellie wig and sit in her front row.
Poor Brett was just like the stuttering girl. Come over Brett. We are in Hawaii practicing for a huge world tour. It will be fun and you will make lots of money.
Oh no you wont!
Brett did tell Mick either in person or after Maui that it wasn't right that they were doing a tour without Lindsey and singing his songs in that rehearsal space in Maui. I think he also said he emailed Stevie the same too. I do have a feeling that Stevie wanted her guy, Ricky Peterson, in there even if Brett hadn't expressed his disagreement. I think they probably brought Brett out there to lead the rehearsals and serve as a musical director for the rehearsals, perhaps with Neale.
I think Neale was safe because he gave Stevie the music for "New Orleans."

That being said, I think Brett was much better in his role as a backup musician than Ricky in FM and as a member of Stevie's band from 1998-2012. I find Ricky's organ play obnoxious and way too out there. The last tour there was random times I heard the organ on The Chain. And if you watch Sara videos from Stevie's tour, there's just random organ thrown in there. Brett always knocked Sara out of the park. And when Chris came back, the 2015 - 2017 versions were spectacular.

[HomerMcvie]

That is sooo funny, I almost swallowed my wine gum…

Wine gum? Is that a thing? Having I been wasting my entire life chewing regular gum? WTF?

[sue]

Wine gum? Is that a thing? Having I been wasting my entire life chewing regular gum? WTF?

It’s a soft chewy sweet….. made from jelly and embossed with various alcoholic drink names.
Port, Sherry, Claret..etc
They are a confection in the UK
Maynards Wine Gums…hahaha

[jmn3]

Brett did tell Mick either in person or after Maui that it wasn't right that they were doing a tour without Lindsey and singing his songs in that rehearsal space in Maui. I think he also said he emailed Stevie the same too. I do have a feeling that Stevie wanted her guy, Ricky Peterson, in there even if Brett hadn't expressed his disagreement. I think they probably brought Brett out there to lead the rehearsals and serve as a musical director for the rehearsals, perhaps with Neale.
I think Neale was safe because he gave Stevie the music for "New Orleans."

That being said, I think Brett was much better in his role as a backup musician than Ricky in FM and as a member of Stevie's band from 1998-2012. I find Ricky's organ play obnoxious and way too out there. The last tour there was random times I heard the organ on The Chain. And if you watch Sara videos from Stevie's tour, there's just random organ thrown in there. Brett always knocked Sara out of the park. And when Chris came back, the 2015 - 2017 versions were spectacular.

It wasn't JUST that Lindsey got fired that made what went down in 2018-19 so gross, but the way things went down including the ancillary impacts (like Brett), all of the lies that tried to justify the changes, etc. The stories never aligned from day one and their awkwardness during that pre-tour interview left such a disgusting taste in my mouth.

Stevie's whole "I'm not the boss" shtick was absolutely laughable by that time. She was absolutely in charge of everything - fire Lindsey? Stevie. Fire Brett? Stevie. Hire her background singers for 30+ years? Stevie. Hire Mike Campbell? Stevie. Hire her solo band backup musicians? Stevie. The only thing I'd suggest wasn't her idea was Neil Finn but I guarantee she had to approve it. But hey, Lindsey was the controlling one. Him and his terrible pre-records (which admittedly I can't stand either...and that she apparently uses now too).

And after all that crap, they got a lame tour that yielded no new music and not even a new live release to share their amazing renditions of the songs she so desperately wanted in the setlist for years that Lindsey would never allow. Then Lindsey nearly dies, the pandemic basically put an end to everything for a year and a half, Brett is dead, Christine is dead, and now Fleetwood Mac is dead. Awesome way to end things.

[HomerMcvie]

It wasn't JUST that Lindsey got fired that made what went down in 2018-19 so gross, but the way things went down including the ancillary impacts (like Brett), all of the lies that tried to justify the changes, etc. The stories never aligned from day one and their awkwardness during that pre-tour interview left such a disgusting taste in my mouth.

Stevie's whole "I'm not the boss" shtick was absolutely laughable by that time. She was absolutely in charge of everything - fire Lindsey? Stevie. Fire Brett? Stevie. Hire her background singers for 30+ years? Stevie. Hire Mike Campbell? Stevie. Hire her solo band backup musicians? Stevie. The only thing I'd suggest wasn't her idea was Neil Finn but I guarantee she had to approve it. But hey, Lindsey was the controlling one. Him and his terrible pre-records (which admittedly I can't stand either...and that she apparently uses now too).

And after all that crap, they got a lame tour that yielded no new music and not even a new live release to share their amazing renditions of the songs she so desperately wanted in the setlist for years that Lindsey would never allow. Then Lindsey nearly dies, the pandemic basically put an end to everything for a year and a half, Brett is dead, Christine is dead, and now Fleetwood Mac is dead. Awesome way to end things.

I've been telling y'all for many years...

STEVIE NICKS IS THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO FLEETWOOD MAC.

[HomerMcvie]

It’s a soft chewy sweet….. made from jelly and embossed with various alcoholic drink names.
Port, Sherry, Claret..etc
They are a confection in the UK
Maynards Wine Gums…hahaha

Holy crap! I had no idea that was a thing. Sounds delicious! Thanks!

[jmn3]

I've been telling y'all for many years...

STEVIE NICKS IS THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO FLEETWOOD MAC.

Are you on tiktok? I'd love to see you get into it with some of the LUNATIC Stevie lovers, and even more repulsive, the ULTRA Lindsey/Stevie shippers that exist on there today. It's settled down recently but for a few weeks you couldn't go three swipes without getting the Silver Springs video from the Dance. And while a lot of comments were about Stevie giving it to Lindsey, SO MANY OF THESE NUTS were like "tHeY sTiLl LoVe EaCh OthEr i NeeD THeM tOgEtHeRRRRRRRR." I've tossed a few digs and jabs out a few times and lord are they relentlessly stupid. These same people will post a video from a recent SN concert where she monotonously drones through Rhiannon or Stand Back and comment "SHE SOUNDS EXACTLY THE SAME AS ALWAYS!" I'm worried about their ears...

[sue]

Holy crap! I had no idea that was a thing. Sounds delicious! Thanks!

Well I am an addict….!!:lol:

[HomerMcvie]

Are you on tiktok? I'd love to see you get into it with some of the LUNATIC Stevie lovers, and even more repulsive, the ULTRA Lindsey/Stevie shippers that exist on there today. It's settled down recently but for a few weeks you couldn't go three swipes without getting the Silver Springs video from the Dance. And while a lot of comments were about Stevie giving it to Lindsey, SO MANY OF THESE NUTS were like "tHeY sTiLl LoVe EaCh OthEr i NeeD THeM tOgEtHeRRRRRRRR." I've tossed a few digs and jabs out a few times and lord are they relentlessly stupid. These same people will post a video from a recent SN concert where she monotonously drones through Rhiannon or Stand Back and comment "SHE SOUNDS EXACTLY THE SAME AS ALWAYS!" I'm worried about their ears...
I am not on tiktok. I'm pretty much a Facebook addict, and I don't need something else taking up what's left of my time.

But you're right, she sounds horrible now.

[HomerMcvie]

Well I am an addict….!!:lol:

I looked them up. My god, they sure aren't cheap, are they?

[sue]

I looked them up. My god, they sure aren't cheap, are they?

Haven’t you heard there is a …cost of living crisis ..in the UK.
Nothings cheap.
Any food parcel gratefully received :laugh:

[vivfox]

These same people will post a video from a recent SN concert where she monotonously drones through Rhiannon or Stand Back and comment "SHE SOUNDS EXACTLY THE SAME AS ALWAYS!" I'm worried about their ears...

Hahaaahahahaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahahahaaaa

[HomerMcvie]

Haven’t you heard there is a …cost of living crisis ..in the UK.
Nothings cheap.
Any food parcel gratefully received :laugh:

I'm sending you a coupon for $tevie's Fajita Roundup.
https://youtu.be/Qxfeqqkq4FE

[UnwindedDreams]

And after all that crap, they got a lame tour that yielded no new music and not even a new live release to share their amazing renditions of the songs she so desperately wanted in the setlist for years that Lindsey would never allow.
But there isn't a live release of the Unleashed, Live, and On With the Show tours:p

I bought tickets for the 2018 tour when it was announced but my signal to not buy tickets for additional shows should have been when they played The Chain and Gypsy of the Ellen tv show. I got fooled.

[HomerMcvie]

But there isn't a live release of the Unleashed, Live, and On With the Show tours:p

I bought tickets for the 2018 tour when it was announced but my signal to not buy tickets for additional shows should have been when they played The Chain and Gypsy of the Ellen tv show. I got fooled.
I've wondered if the reason that they've not released video of these tours is that it's too hard to hide the karaoke?

What a sad, pathetic ending. Le sigh....

[jmn3]

But there isn't a live release of the Unleashed, Live, and On With the Show tours:p

I always assumed in their minds - they had just released Live in Boston in 2004 which presented the 'new' Fleetwood Mac as a foursome sans Christine. So, would there be a market for a release of a show from Unleashed or the 2013 tour. As for On With the Show, did we need another The Dance? But more importantly, did we need a release showcasing the decline in all of them from The Dance to On With the Show?

However, their 2018-19 shows - they have two brand new members. Superstars from other bands. The setlist is full of so called gems - the rarities we never get. Black Magic Woman, Tell Me All the Things You Do, Hypnotized, Hold Me, Don't Dream It's Over, Free Fallin', the first time ever performance of All Over Again, Oh Well...so many songs that evil Lindsey would have never allowed in a setlist (seriously he would not have touched most of those). Plus of course, reinvigorated versions of the classics. Why not put this out? It would have made a great release. Was she still crackhead dancing through Gold Dust Woman at this point? That alone would be worth a video release.

And it's not that hard at this point to release something audio quickly on a streaming service. Hell, 10 years ago the Stones released a live album of their Hyde Park shows about a week after the second concert ended. And they had to 'clean it up' since Keith completely flubbed up the opening to Start Me Up not just at one of the shows, but both times.

[UnwindedDreams]

I always assumed in their minds - they had just released Live in Boston in 2004 which presented the 'new' Fleetwood Mac as a foursome sans Christine. So, would there be a market for a release of a show from Unleashed or the 2013 tour. As for On With the Show, did we need another The Dance? But more importantly, did we need a release showcasing the decline in all of them from The Dance to On With the Show?

However, their 2018-19 shows - they have two brand new members. Superstars from other bands. The setlist is full of so called gems - the rarities we never get. Black Magic Woman, Tell Me All the Things You Do, Hypnotized, Hold Me, Don't Dream It's Over, Free Fallin', the first time ever performance of All Over Again, Oh Well...so many songs that evil Lindsey would have never allowed in a setlist (seriously he would not have touched most of those). Plus of course, reinvigorated versions of the classics. Why not put this out? It would have made a great release. Was she still crackhead dancing through Gold Dust Woman at this point? That alone would be worth a video release.

And it's not that hard at this point to release something audio quickly on a streaming service. Hell, 10 years ago the Stones released a live album of their Hyde Park shows about a week after the second concert ended. And they had to 'clean it up' since Keith completely flubbed up the opening to Start Me Up not just at one of the shows, but both times.
I got that Live in Hyde Park album on iTunes! "Scarf Me Up"
Also The Stones got a new song out during the pandemic which hit number one in a few countries I think. Also wasn't All The Rage a new song too or was it just new vocals from Mick?

[Macfan4life]

I always assumed in their minds - they had just released Live in Boston in 2004 which presented the 'new' Fleetwood Mac as a foursome sans Christine. So, would there be a market for a release of a show from Unleashed or the 2013 tour. As for On With the Show, did we need another The Dance? But more importantly, did we need a release showcasing the decline in all of them from The Dance to On With the Show?

However, their 2018-19 shows - they have two brand new members. Superstars from other bands. The setlist is full of so called gems - the rarities we never get. Black Magic Woman, Tell Me All the Things You Do, Hypnotized, Hold Me, Don't Dream It's Over, Free Fallin', the first time ever performance of All Over Again, Oh Well...so many songs that evil Lindsey would have never allowed in a setlist (seriously he would not have touched most of those). Plus of course, reinvigorated versions of the classics. Why not put this out? It would have made a great release. Was she still crackhead dancing through Gold Dust Woman at this point? That alone would be worth a video release.

And it's not that hard at this point to release something audio quickly on a streaming service. Hell, 10 years ago the Stones released a live album of their Hyde Park shows about a week after the second concert ended. And they had to 'clean it up' since Keith completely flubbed up the opening to Start Me Up not just at one of the shows, but both times.
I sort of agree with your point (why OWTS was not recorded) that even though OWTS was a huge success, the band was in decline and they just released an earlier tour video. But Chris coming back was huge so its still a bit confusing. But remember, even during OWTS there was talk there would be a studio album and final tour of the 5. Maybe they were holding out for that last farewell tour with album to record a show. We all know who ruined that.
I have total disagreement with you about the "gems" Dont Dream Its Over and Free Fallin. Thank goodness this was not professionally recorded. Even though it was the last act of the Mac, is this really what they want remembered for? Part Fleetwood Mac, part Heartbreakers, part Crowded House? Sadly they could not even let one of the guys sing Black Magic Woman or the crowd would walk out. It would be hideous for there to be no Mirage professional live video of Hold Me, No The Dance video of Hold Me, No OWTS video of Hold Me but there would be a Crowded House version? God Help Us!

[jmn3]

I sort of agree with your point (why OWTS was not recorded) that even though OWTS was a huge success, the band was in decline and they just released an earlier tour video. But Chris coming back was huge so its still a bit confusing. But remember, even during OWTS there was talk there would be a studio album and final tour of the 5. Maybe they were holding out for that last farewell tour with album to record a show. We all know who ruined that.
I have total disagreement with you about the "gems" Dont Dream Its Over and Free Fallin. Thank goodness this was not professionally recorded. Even though it was the last act of the Mac, is this really what they want remembered for? Part Fleetwood Mac, part Heartbreakers, part Crowded House? Sadly they could not even let one of the guys sing Black Magic Woman or the crowd would walk out. It would be hideous for there to be no Mirage professional live video of Hold Me, No The Dance video of Hold Me, No OWTS video of Hold Me but there would be a Crowded House version? God Help Us!

Aw man I HATE when my sarcasm doesn’t come through. Totally sarcastic with the “gem” stuff. That Don’t Dream It’s Over and Free Fallin’ were placed into a Fleetwood Mac set and were allegedly highlights every night was truly embarrassing.

[jmn3]

Also I would love a OWTS album/video to showcase Christine’s return. There’s more than enough differing material from The Dance to make this worthwhile. They were absolutely in decline but it was still a highly presentable show every night.

[jmn3]

I got that Live in Hyde Park album on iTunes! "Scarf Me Up"
Also The Stones got a new song out during the pandemic which hit number one in a few countries I think. Also wasn't All The Rage a new song too or was it just new vocals from Mick?

The big Scarf Me Up incident(s)! I swear Keith does crap like that on purpose to piss off Jagger lol.

Yeah, they released Living in a Ghost Town during the pandemic although it was recorded in 2019 and then released in 2020 given the lyrics somewhat aligning with the lockdowns at that time. All the Rage was just new vocals from Mick - it was recorded in 72-73.

[UnwindedDreams]

Aw man I HATE when my sarcasm doesn’t come through. Totally sarcastic with the “gem” stuff. That Don’t Dream It’s Over and Free Fallin’ were placed into a Fleetwood Mac set and were allegedly highlights every night was truly embarrassing.
And Lucifer Lindsey wouldn't permit Christine to sing Isn't It Midnight... he'd only allow Think About Me and Over My Head.:p

Looking back, I am so happy they kept Hold Me and Wish You Were Here for the LBCM 2017 Tour, and not OWTS.

[Macfan4life]

Aw man I HATE when my sarcasm doesn’t come through. Totally sarcastic with the “gem” stuff. That Don’t Dream It’s Over and Free Fallin’ were placed into a Fleetwood Mac set and were allegedly highlights every night was truly embarrassing.
LOL Ok. I thought I was the Christine on the board since no one understands my British style sense of humor. But I guess I am not the only one.
:lol:

[jmn3]

LOL Ok. I thought I was the Christine on the board since no one understands my British style sense of humor. But I guess I am not the only one.
:lol:

Lol it’s still hard to do online even after all these years of practice. In person my facial expression would have immediately given away that ENTIRE paragraph as pure sarcasm with enough eye roll to need to go to the ER.

[jmn3]

And Lucifer Lindsey wouldn't permit Christine to sing Isn't It Midnight... he'd only allow Think About Me and Over My Head.:p

Looking back, I am so happy they kept Hold Me and Wish You Were Here for the LBCM 2017 Tour, and not OWTS.

Lucifer Lindsey 😂😂😂

[UnwindedDreams]

Aw man I HATE when my sarcasm doesn’t come through. Totally sarcastic with the “gem” stuff. That Don’t Dream It’s Over and Free Fallin’ were placed into a Fleetwood Mac set and were allegedly highlights every night was truly embarrassing.
I can say the crowd loved Don’t Dream It’s Over. For me, nice though I missed the full solo in the middle of the song, but this was an “acoustic” version with an organ.

I actually would have had respect for the lineup if they didn’t do 3 Lindsey songs. Also what’s interesting is that Stevie had the least of her songs on the 2018 tour: Dreams, Rhiannon, Landslide, Gypsy, Gold Dust (Free Fallin, Black Magic Woman, All Over Again, and 1 Verse of DDIO aren’t Stevie songs)

In 2014, she did 8 full Stevie Songs: Dreams, Rhiannon, Sisters of the Moon, Seven Wonders, Landslide, Gypsy, Gold Dust, and Silver Springs

Lindsey did not limit her songs in the set list. And from 1987-2013, her solo song was played in an FM set.

[BigAl84]

I've wondered if the reason that they've not released video of these tours is that it's too hard to hide the karaoke?

What a sad, pathetic ending. Le sigh....

My guess the reason that nothing has been released from the 204-2018 tours is probably because it's impossible to get everyone to agree to do it. With Lindsey's ousting it probably got a little complicated from a legal perspective. Now with Christine gone, it might get even more complicated because her estate would need to be involved to approve etc.

They probably have recorded footage that is most likely a recorded version of what the crowd sees on the screens, but I'm not sure they ever had a show properly filmed for close ups etc. It would probably be easier to do a live album compiled from the tours.

[BigAl84]

I'm really surprised they never put together a live release from the first half of the 2014/2015 tour and had it released between tour legs. Another missed opportunity.

[Macfan4life]

I'm really surprised they never put together a live release from the first half of the 2014/2015 tour and had it released between tour legs. Another missed opportunity.
I bet they were waiting for their big final tour with new album to promote. It would have been the perfect package: A new album of the 5 since the 1980s, new songs, a final tour, and a DVD concert. It's sort of what we all expected including most of them.
But someone did not play the game and just threw the cards.
It would have been the perfect ending and slick promotion for the album and DVD. But we got Crowded House and Free Fallin instead.

[bombaysaffires]

I bet they were waiting for their big final tour with new album to promote. It would have been the perfect package: A new album of the 5 since the 1980s, new songs, a final tour, and a DVD concert. It's sort of what we all expected including most of them.
But someone did not play the game and just threw the cards.
It would have been the perfect ending and slick promotion for the album and DVD. But we got Crowded House and Free Fallin instead.

I'm hoping you are saying this bit with a sarcastic tone..... Because the idea that they would ever have plans for an actual new album is just... implausible.:sorry:

Let me correct that-- the idea that STEVIE ever had any intention or even remote interest in doing a new album is highly doubtful. Clearly Mike was open to it, Mick would always be open to it, probably John and Chris would've been fine with it... not sure about Neil, but he'd likely be all for it from a career/money perspective. But, "I'm not the boss" would be the holdout.
After her pissing on the whole project that ended up becoming BuckVie, I doubt she was up for doing a new album in any form.

[BigAl84]

Mike Campbell's recent comments sorta bothered me. He mentioned the tour being great and the people being great, but more than anything it was an all expenses paid trip around the world. A vacation with some shows thrown in.

It would have been that way with Lindsey as well, but it just doesn't sit well with me. What was done to Lindsey and the botched last act/legacy of the band, I'm glad Mike Campbell got a world class vacation out of it all. :shrug:

It really was just another gig for Mike and Neil. Oh... and Christine got to buy that house. (I'm sorry Chris, I love ya...but that comment was low)

[Macfan4life]

I'm hoping you are saying this bit with a sarcastic tone..... Because the idea that they would ever have plans for an actual new album is just... implausible.:sorry:

Let me correct that-- the idea that STEVIE ever had any intention or even remote interest in doing a new album is highly doubtful. Clearly Mike was open to it, Mick would always be open to it, probably John and Chris would've been fine with it... not sure about Neil, but he'd likely be all for it from a career/money perspective. But, "I'm not the boss" would be the holdout.
After her pissing on the whole project that ended up becoming BuckVie, I doubt she was up for doing a new album in any form.
I was responding to the post about the 2014 tour. Right before that tour started Chris and Lindsey started recording which would eventually turn into their duet album. However as that successful tour ran on, there was talk of a studio album and they signed a contract for a large tour. The tour happened - just not with Lindsey and the album happened - just not with Stevie. But the point I was making that it would have been a fantastic ending.....a studio album, new music and farewell tour. I was talking about what was SUPPOSED to happen vs what actually happened. Does that make sense?

[jmn3]

Mike Campbell's recent comments sorta bothered me. He mentioned the tour being great and the people being great, but more than anything it was an all expenses paid trip around the world. A vacation with some shows thrown in.

It would have been that way with Lindsey as well, but it just doesn't sit well with me. What was done to Lindsey and the botched last act/legacy of the band, I'm glad Mike Campbell got a world class vacation out of it all. :shrug:

It really was just another gig for Mike and Neil. Oh... and Christine got to buy that house. (I'm sorry Chris, I love ya...but that comment was low)

I read that article the same way. It just proves to me that what we said all along was true and that this wasn’t some new band who were going to create anything. It was Stevie’s way to stick it to Lindsey and make FM tour money at the same time. For Campbell and Finn, they were well paid touring musicians. Their time in Fleetwood Mac would ultimately be less memorable than Dave Mason, Billy Burnette, or Rick Vito if it wasn’t at the stage of life that the rest of the band members were at. That period will only be remembered since it will go down as the last stage of Fleetwood Mac going out as dysfunctional and ridiculous as ever. There is no sense that this was an actual band being creative - Finn singing Lindsey’s parts and Campbell trying (at times painfully) to replicate Buckingham on the guitar. And 4 years later, Mike Campbell clearly didn’t see it as anything but him helping out Stevie and the band do their tour.

[jmn3]

I was responding to the post about the 2014 tour. Right before that tour started Chris and Lindsey started recording which would eventually turn into their duet album. However as that successful tour ran on, there was talk of a studio album and they signed a contract for a large tour. The tour happened - just not with Lindsey and the album happened - just not with Stevie. But the point I was making that it would have been a fantastic ending.....a studio album, new music and farewell tour. I was talking about what was SUPPOSED to happen vs what actually happened. Does that make sense?

To me it does! Maybe the biggest mistake they made was immediately doing that 2014-15 tour when they did. But again, I’m sure Stephanie was the driver there. I think it would’ve been better to record the album first and start generating a Fleetwood Mac “reunited” buzz. And then maybe late in 2015 and into 2016, do the tour after the album was released. Their insistence on going right back on tour less than a year after ending the 2013 tour basically spelled out exactly what “this reconvening of these five people” was going to be about.

[UnwindedDreams]

I read that article the same way. It just proves to me that what we said all along was true and that this wasn’t some new band who were going to create anything. It was Stevie’s way to stick it to Lindsey and make FM tour money at the same time. For Campbell and Finn, they were well paid touring musicians. Their time in Fleetwood Mac would ultimately be less memorable than Dave Mason, Billy Burnette, or Rick Vito if it wasn’t at the stage of life that the rest of the band members were at. That period will only be remembered since it will go down as the last stage of Fleetwood Mac going out as dysfunctional and ridiculous as ever. There is no sense that this was an actual band being creative - Finn singing Lindsey’s parts and Campbell trying (at times painfully) to replicate Buckingham on the guitar. And 4 years later, Mike Campbell clearly didn’t see it as anything but him helping out Stevie and the band do their tour.
Good for Billy and Rick for actually having made new music in FM!

[HomerMcvie]

Good for Billy and Rick for actually having made new music in FM!

In everybody's defense, the music business is a completely different world than in was 33 years ago.

While I would never defend $tevie, nothing is going to sell a million copies these days. Especially from a dinosaur band. 33 years ago, they had a chance, and BTM sold over a million worldwide(500K in the U.S.). But now, it could only be a labor of love. BuckVie only sold 60K copies. $tevie doesn't see 60K as worth her time. That's why Lindsey and Christine were still artists, while $tevie just wants to sell seats, dredging up the same old crap we've been hearing for 45 years. Only with a really crappy voice, now.

That said, I absolutely worship the BuckVie album. It's my swan song from my band. The last couple of $tevie albums I've heard were just as boring AF.

[UnwindedDreams]

In everybody's defense, the music business is a completely different world than in was 33 years ago.

While I would never defend $tevie, nothing is going to sell a million copies these days. Especially from a dinosaur band. 33 years ago, they had a chance, and BTM sold over a million worldwide(500K in the U.S.). But now, it could only be a labor of love. BuckVie only sold 60K copies. $tevie doesn't see 60K as worth her time. That's why Lindsey and Christine were still artists, while $tevie just wants to sell seats, dredging up the same old crap we've been hearing for 45 years. Only with a really crappy voice, now.

I could get behind what Stevie believes about the albums, though what she says publicly is different, if her concerts were actually special, unique events; they're not and they're like the shows she tailored for the casino audiences she was playing post-TISL. If you're not releasing new music, dive into your catalogue and do at LEAST 5 album tracks. Give the hits eaters Stand Back, Edge of Seventeen, and Stop Draggin' My Heart Around and some BD tracks (since she says it was a blockbuster album) like Think About It, After the Glitter Fades, and Kind of Woman. And actually return your hit songs to your concerts: Talk To Me, Rooms On Fire, I Can't Wait. But the problem with Stevie's shows is out of 18 songs, you go in knowing you'll hear 15 certain songs for sure.

Now Stevie publicly says she doesn't care if anybody buys the music, she does it for her own pleasure. Meanwhile in Mick's second book he writes we will be ready for Stevie to participate in the next Fleetwood Mac album:shrug:
That's forever in print now and Mick said it.

[SteveMacD]

That's why Lindsey and Christine were still artists, while $tevie just wants to sell seats

Another way of saying it is Lindsey and Christine wanted to be artists, while Stevie wants to be a rock star.

[bombaysaffires]

I could get behind what Stevie believes about the albums, though what she says publicly is different, if her concerts were actually special, unique events; they're not and they're like the shows she tailored for the casino audiences she was playing post-TISL. If you're not releasing new music, dive into your catalogue and do at LEAST 5 album tracks. Give the hits eaters Stand Back, Edge of Seventeen, and Stop Draggin' My Heart Around and some BD tracks (since she says it was a blockbuster album) like Think About It, After the Glitter Fades, and Kind of Woman. And actually return your hit songs to your concerts: Talk To Me, Rooms On Fire, I Can't Wait. But the problem with Stevie's shows is out of 18 songs, you go in knowing you'll hear 15 certain songs for sure.
.

Another way of saying it is Lindsey and Christine wanted to be artists, while Stevie wants to be a rock star.

Reminds me of the stories told about the BN days, where Stevie would have been willing to accept any gigs that came along, even playing in cheesy steakhouses because 'hey it was a paying gig' while Lindsey was about holding out for gigs that showcased them as artists and didn't reduce them to musical wallpaper.

[SteveMacD]

Reminds me of the stories told about the BN days, where Stevie would have been willing to accept any gigs that came along, even playing in cheesy steakhouses because 'hey it was a paying gig' while Lindsey was about holding out for gigs that showcased them as artists and didn't reduce them to musical wallpaper.

She’s also the one who pushed to join Fleetwood Mac.

[bombaysaffires]

She’s also the one who pushed to join Fleetwood Mac.

Yes. She had a stronger ambition and a definite goal to be successful. He was always more ambivalent, and was less willing to compromise to achieve success. She could be too willing to compromise sometimes.

[SteveMacD]

Yes. She had a stronger ambition and a definite goal to be successful. He was always more ambivalent, and was less willing to compromise to achieve success. She could be too willing to compromise sometimes.

I can’t blame her. Her joining Fleetwood Mac was only because they wanted Lindsey on guitar and only if she and Christine got along. I’d imagine having your career not in your own hands was unnerving. While I genuinely believe she made BD because she had a lot of songs and Fleetwood Mac took too long to make records and had no idea that it would be THAT successful, it had to be a weight off her shoulders to not be at the whims of Lindsey or the others.

[BigAl84]

To me it does! Maybe the biggest mistake they made was immediately doing that 2014-15 tour when they did. But again, I’m sure Stephanie was the driver there. I think it would’ve been better to record the album first and start generating a Fleetwood Mac “reunited” buzz. And then maybe late in 2015 and into 2016, do the tour after the album was released. Their insistence on going right back on tour less than a year after ending the 2013 tour basically spelled out exactly what “this reconvening of these five people” was going to be about.

I've forgotten the timeline of Christine rejoining and the process of recording the album.

I think her rejoining was announced, work began on some tracks, they went out on tour, then came back and finished the album.

In theory they could have pushed back the tour to finish the album first, but that would have forced Stevie to either commit or not commit and probably would have caused major drama before the trucks pulled out of the rehearsal studio. For all we know they did discuss finishing the album first, but Stevie's camp put the kabosh on that in a very unclear way.

It's such a bummer that Lindsey purposely crafted material in her vocal range so the material would be flattering to her vocal range and it completely fell on deaf ears. I think he genuinely wanted to work together with her and was willing to do anything to make that as easy for her as possible.

[HomerMcvie]

I've forgotten the timeline of Christine rejoining and the process of recording the album.

I think her rejoining was announced, work began on some tracks, they went out on tour, then came back and finished the album.

In theory they could have pushed back the tour to finish the album first, but that would have forced Stevie to either commit or not commit and probably would have caused major drama before the trucks pulled out of the rehearsal studio. For all we know they did discuss finishing the album first, but Stevie's camp put the kabosh on that in a very unclear way.

It's such a bummer that Lindsey purposely crafted material in her vocal range so the material would be flattering to her vocal range and it completely fell on deaf ears. I think he genuinely wanted to work together with her and was willing to do anything to make that as easy for her as possible.

$tevie only cares about one thing- $tevie. And now the ending of our band is ruined.

[Tusky]

I've forgotten the timeline of Christine rejoining and the process of recording the album.

I think her rejoining was announced, work began on some tracks, they went out on tour, then came back and finished the album.

In theory they could have pushed back the tour to finish the album first, but that would have forced Stevie to either commit or not commit and probably would have caused major drama before the trucks pulled out of the rehearsal studio. For all we know they did discuss finishing the album first, but Stevie's camp put the kabosh on that in a very unclear way.

It's such a bummer that Lindsey purposely crafted material in her vocal range so the material would be flattering to her vocal range and it completely fell on deaf ears. I think he genuinely wanted to work together with her and was willing to do anything to make that as easy for her as possible.

But is it right to keep me waiting?
Is it right to make me hold out so long?
Yeah, is it right to keep me waiting?
In the shadow of our swan song

[UnwindedDreams]

But is it right to keep me waiting?
Is it right to make me hold out so long?
Yeah, is it right to keep me waiting?
In the shadow of our swan song
That’s the song Lindsey wrote over someone’s track!

[Macfan4life]

Yes. She had a stronger ambition and a definite goal to be successful. He was always more ambivalent, and was less willing to compromise to achieve success. She could be too willing to compromise sometimes.
Paul Fishkin: She was going to be a superstar or a nobody. There was nothing in between.