Making of CM 1984 Album Part 1 [Archive]

aleuzzi

05-15-2023, 12:46 PM

I'M MORE HER THAN YOU, BECAUSE I DRINK MORE THAN YOU!!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I'm not much of a drinker, especially a wine drinker, so in that sense I will never be Christine. But much of what she said, sang, and did connects with me, feels right. I identify more strongly with her than any member of FM.

Lindsey's creativity is awe-inspiring, and Stevie's commitment to her songs is laudable. Bob Welch's intellect was intriguing. Danny's stinging tone reminds me of the importance of voice. Peter's fluidity was aspirational. But all of this is nothing compared to affinity I feel for Christine.

Wow, this is so well stated. Ditto.

HomerMcvie

05-15-2023, 01:49 PM

I'm not much of a drinker, especially a wine drinker, so in that sense I will never be Christine. But much of what she said, sang, and did connects with me, feels right. I identify more strongly with her than any member of FM.

Lindsey's creativity is awe-inspiring, and Stevie's commitment to her songs is laudable. Bob Welch's intellect was intriguing. Danny's stinging tone reminds me of the importance of voice. Peter's fluidity was aspirational. But all of this is nothing compared to affinity I feel for Christine.

Wow, this is so well stated. Ditto.
Red wine is my favorite thing in life. Unfortunately, it hurts me. After about a decade of it being my permanent accessory, I had to switch to a different drink, although I'll still have it once or twice a month. I tell my friends regularly, "on the day I day, I hope there are about 4 empty bottles of red lying next to me".

Christine IS(was) the one. She's what made it all work. Quirky Lindsey. Ditzy Stevie. Drunk John. Loser Mick. SHE is what brought it all together.

aleuzzi

05-15-2023, 05:21 PM

Red wine is my favorite thing in life. Unfortunately, it hurts me. After about a decade of it being my permanent accessory, I had to switch to a different drink, although I'll still have it once or twice a month. I tell my friends regularly, "on the day I day, I hope there are about 4 empty bottles of red lying next to me".

Christine IS(was) the one. She's what made it all work. Quirky Lindsey. Ditzy Stevie. Drunk John. Loser Mick. SHE is what brought it all together.

I love the taste of red wine but it gives me headaches and makes me lethargic. White is good, but these days I prefer vodka and gin…Nothing beats a vodka gimlet, because I am a 1960s housewife.

Agree about Christine. She gave them class and distinction. They’d have sounded first like Savoy Brown and then Appalachian mountain music without her.

Street_Dreamer

05-15-2023, 10:20 PM

The interaction between Christine, George and Todd as they're writing The Challenge is some of my favorite stuff. I really hopes this sees the light of day on DVD.

HomerMcvie

05-16-2023, 01:57 AM

I love the taste of red wine but it gives me headaches and makes me lethargic. White is good, but these days I prefer vodka and gin…Nothing beats a vodka gimlet, because I am a 1960s housewife.

Agree about Christine. She gave them class and distinction. They’d have sounded first like Savoy Brown and then Appalachian mountain music without her.

I hang out a few days a week with this crazy old(75) lady from my hometown(who I never met before I lived in Nashville- the irony), who proclaims upon her first drink, EVERY DAY, "this is the best f*cking vodka gimlet I've had today!" And we laugh, and watch her get sh*t faced. It's the small things in life...

I truly wonder what would have happened, if Christine had left when S&L joined, if anything would have happened? I doubt it.

HomerMcvie

05-16-2023, 02:00 AM

The interaction between Christine, George and Todd as they're writing The Challenge is some of my favorite stuff. I really hopes this sees the light of day on DVD.

They certainly played the music from The Challenge long enough. While I love the song, it droned on for too long...

And WHAT was the track towards the end of it???

jbrownsjr

05-16-2023, 08:20 AM

I truly wonder what would have happened, if Christine had left when S&L joined, if anything would have happened? I doubt it.

That's a lot of hidden magic to lose. Who knows??? I know that B/N was dead in the water, even know the music was great.
Fleetwood Mac might have been like Tony said, a few hits and done in that decade.
Rumours would not have happened. The chemistry would be 1/3 off, too.

Penguin Emeritus

05-16-2023, 08:30 AM

That's a lot of hidden magic to lose. Who knows??? I know that B/N was dead in the water, even know the music was great.
Fleetwood Mac might have been like Tony said, a few hits and done in that decade.
Rumours would not have happened. The chemistry would be 1/3 off, too.

Interesting to think about how it might've gone without Chris there. Hard to imagine that they would have had the same success without her...Lindsey and Stevie brought enormous talent and charisma but I think the chemistry of the 5 of them was incredibly powerful.

--Lis

Wdm6789

05-16-2023, 08:37 AM

The woman who was never photographed without a cocktail in hand. God I love her.

Christine said in an interview with I think The Guardian in 2013 or 2014 that she quit doing cocaine in 1984 when she was making her solo album. She was clearly still drinking heavily, but I wonder if she quit doing cocaine like cold turkey. I wonder if her band members and studio crew were doing cocaine. Did she not partake at all or did she still do it, but did it it less than she did when she was with Fleetwood Mac. I have the same question about the Tango era. Lindsey set up a trailer in his front yard for Mick to partake in his vices during the recording of Tango. I wonder how much time Christine spent in that trailer.

aleuzzi

05-16-2023, 08:46 AM

Christine said in an interview with I think The Guardian in 2013 or 2014 that she quit doing cocaine in 1984 when she was making her solo album. She was clearly still drinking heavily, but I wonder if she quit doing cocaine like cold turkey. I wonder if her band members and studio crew were doing cocaine. Did she not partake at all or did she still do it, but did it it less than she did when she was with Fleetwood Mac. I have the same question about the Tango era. Lindsey set up a trailer in his front yard for Mick to partake in his vices during the recording of Tango. I wonder how much time Christine spent in that trailer.

Whatever drinking or drugs she did or didn’t do during TANGO doesn’t eclipse the great contributions she made to the record. As she often said, she was always at the boards with Lindsey and Richard, so Lindsey’s oft-told complaint that the band were in bad shape does not account for Christine. She had just finished a solo record and tour, and a soundtrack project when they started the record. She was NOT out of shape or rusty. She was primed. And contributed a lot.

jbrownsjr

05-16-2023, 09:09 AM

Whatever drinking or drugs she did or didn’t do during TANGO doesn’t eclipse the great contributions she made to the record. As she often said, she was always at the boards with Lindsey and Richard, so Lindsey’s oft-told complaint that the band were in bad shape does not account for Christine. She had just finished a solo record and tour, and a soundtrack project when they started the record. She was NOT out of shape or rusty. She was primed. And contributed a lot.

Exactly, her contributions were enormous to Tango. They often get hidden by talk of: Lindsey having to work 24 hours a day (which wasn't true) and Stevie's rehab and non contributions.

Imagine being so under-rated, that someone else's non contributions get talked about more than Christine's power house material.

aleuzzi

05-16-2023, 09:53 PM

Exactly, her contributions were enormous to Tango. They often get hidden by talk of: Lindsey having to work 24 hours a day (which wasn't true) and Stevie's rehab and non contributions.

Imagine being so under-rated, that someone else's non contributions get talked about more than Christine's power house material.

Or like at the 1998 Grammys when the tv cameras were glued on Lindsey and Stevie WHILE Christine was singing a lead verse on Don’t Stop. Her very dependability and solid musicianship made her invisible among the unstable…

aleuzzi

05-16-2023, 09:59 PM

Exactly, her contributions were enormous to Tango. They often get hidden by talk of: Lindsey having to work 24 hours a day (which wasn't true) and Stevie's rehab and non contributions.

Imagine being so under-rated, that someone else's non contributions get talked about more than Christine's power house material.

And another thing—even in the BBC documentary, Richard D discussed Christine’s Tango songs in terms of Lindsey’s presence on them. According to him, because Stevie wasn’t fully available, Christine steps in as the “feminine energy” and Lindsey could focus on her songs. I adore Richard, but what bull! Lindsey and Christine worked together like that since 1975. And it was not just him “helping” her. She had a strong hand in things.

HomerMcvie

05-17-2023, 02:09 AM

And another thing—even in the BBC documentary, Richard D discussed Christine’s Tango songs in terms of Lindsey’s presence on them. According to him, because Stevie wasn’t fully available, Christine steps in as the “feminine energy” and Lindsey could focus on her songs. I adore Richard, but what bull! Lindsey and Christine worked together like that since 1975. And it was not just him “helping” her. She had a strong hand in things.
I think that they were assigned identities in the late 70's, and they've stuck with identifying with those stereotypes ever since then.

The combination of Lindsey/ Christine is what MADE FM.

The hideous irony is that the spinning idiot is the one the general pubic falls for...

Penguin Emeritus

05-17-2023, 05:37 AM

Christine said in an interview with I think The Guardian in 2013 or 2014 that she quit doing cocaine in 1984 when she was making her solo album. She was clearly still drinking heavily, but I wonder if she quit doing cocaine like cold turkey. I wonder if her band members and studio crew were doing cocaine. Did she not partake at all or did she still do it, but did it it less than she did when she was with Fleetwood Mac. I have the same question about the Tango era. Lindsey set up a trailer in his front yard for Mick to partake in his vices during the recording of Tango. I wonder how much time Christine spent in that trailer.

She may have spent a little time. I heard cocaine was still circulating around band and associates even as late as 2019 tour. When it's easy to get, and people around you are doing it... people fell back into occasionally. Just like alcohol. It's hard to make a full recovery when it's in your face, especially if it was part of a person's history...you like the confidence it gives you etc. I think the 3 brits had a very hard time quitting stuff completely.

--Lis

jbrownsjr

05-17-2023, 07:31 AM

She may have spent a little time. I heard cocaine was still circulating around band and associates even as late as 2019 tour. When it's easy to get, and people around you are doing it... people fell back into occasionally. Just like alcohol. It's hard to make a full recovery when it's in your face, especially if it was part of a person's history...you like the confidence it gives you etc. I think the 3 brits had a very hard time quitting stuff completely.

--Lis

Well it's kind of like every tour since The Dance, where they weren't drinking and drugging anymore. :laugh:

Wdm6789

05-17-2023, 08:00 AM

Whatever drinking or drugs she did or didn’t do during TANGO doesn’t eclipse the great contributions she made to the record. As she often said, she was always at the boards with Lindsey and Richard, so Lindsey’s oft-told complaint that the band were in bad shape does not account for Christine. She had just finished a solo record and tour, and a soundtrack project when they started the record. She was NOT out of shape or rusty. She was primed. And contributed a lot.

I 100% agree. I wasn’t saying that drinking and drug use negatively impacted her work. It’s evident by pretty much all her musical work that drinking and drugs never negatively impacted her music. Her solo album was great and her Tango contributions are some of her best.

Well it's kind of like every tour since The Dance, where they weren't drinking and drugging anymore. :laugh:

I remember she said during an interview in 2014 when she was rejoining the band, that this will be the first time she’s touring without drinking. She also said the rest of the band members had quit drinking too.

jbrownsjr

05-17-2023, 08:35 AM

I 100% agree. I wasn’t saying that drinking and drug use negatively impacted her work. It’s evident by pretty much all her musical work that drinking and drugs never negatively impacted her music. Her solo album was great and her Tango contributions are some of her best.

I remember she said during an interview in 2014 when she was rejoining the band, that this will be the first time she’s touring without drinking. She also said the rest of the band members had quit drinking too.

By that time, she'd been muzzled. Often times she was honest about the consuming and mgmt. told her... "no no no!!"

David

05-17-2023, 12:02 PM

The hideous irony is that the spinning idiot is the one the general pubic falls for...

Dave! No pun intended, I hope.

HomerMcvie

05-17-2023, 12:38 PM

Dave! No pun intended, I hope.

I don't make mistakes. That is all.

Penguin Emeritus

05-17-2023, 07:16 PM

I remember she said during an interview in 2014 when she was rejoining the band, that this will be the first time she’s touring without drinking. She also said the rest of the band members had quit drinking too.

That's the thing, though, it didn't last. at least not for her or John. maybe they quit for a month! I'm sure they always went in with the best of intentions... but i don't see being on the road as the most positive environment for beating any addiction. that just wasn't the reality.

--Lis

jbrownsjr

05-18-2023, 07:32 AM

That's the thing, though, it didn't last. at least not for her or John. maybe they quit for a month! I'm sure they always went in with the best of intentions... but i don't see being on the road as the most positive environment for beating any addiction. that just wasn't the reality.

--Lis

Exactly, there are restaurants, rehearsals, sound checks, make-up/wardrobe, hotel bars, pubs... ALL AROUND THE WORLD...

Hard to lose weight too, I imagine.