Renaming Albums

[David]

If Warner Brothers had given you the opportunity to name any of the Mac albums, what would you have chosen?

Future Games: Sands of Time

Penguin: Bright Fire

Fleetwood Mac (1975): Another Soul or Mirror in the Sky or Circus Wheel or Feet on the Ground

Mirage: Sorrows from Our Sleep or Dream Maker or Down to You or Book of Love

Say You Will: Hit the Ground or Here in My Garden

[HomerMcvie]

I would change 1975 to World Turning, but that's the only one.

Okay, SYW to Say You Won't.

[SteveMacD]

Time: Winds of Change

[BombaySapphire3]

or add to one Time "Time Bomb".

[Villavic]

I would change Mirage, but not decided the new name yet. It would be related with somethng french.

[jbrownsjr]

or add to one Time "Time Bomb".

Time Bomb Town :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

Heroes >>> Bermuda Triangle

[BombaySapphire3]

Penguin -The Derelict:laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

Penguin -The Derelict:laugh:

That's twice you've made me laugh! You're on a roll.

[Karlie]

Tango >>> Whatsa Matta Baby


ETA: But in all seriousness, if I had to change some of the titles:

Mystery to Me >>> Hypnotized
I love Homer's idea of 1975 >>> World Turning
Mirage >>> Lightning Strikes or Shadow Of My Shadow
Tango >>> Everywhere or Sweet Little Lies or Strange Forbidden Skies
Time >>> Sooner or Later
Say You Will >>> Destiny Rules (and then call the documentary Say You Will)

[Macfan4life]

1975: Welcome to the (bath) room Ozzy........for Scarlett

[Villavic]

Next Lindsey album: I know I'm not Wrong

[BLY]

Buckingham/McVie -Fleetwood Mac “ On With The Show”

[jbrownsjr]

Stevie Nicks - 24Karen Gold

[Macfan4life]

1975 - Fleetwood Mac featuring Stevie Nicks
1977- Rhiannon's baby
1979 - Don Henley's baby
1982 - Bella Donna 2
1987 - Buying good stuff in the driveway (for Scarlett)
1988 - Stevie's Greatest Hits
1990 - Second Time (for us)
1995 - Time cast a spell on you (but you wont forget me)
1997 - Sweet Girl (formally known as the Street Angel)
2003 - Stevie Rules

[DashingDan]

I would change Mirage, but not decided the new name yet. It would be related with somethng french.

Something French? ...Champagne!

[jmn3]

Buckingham/McVie -Fleetwood Mac “ On With The Show”

This right here!!

[jbrownsjr]

Buckingham/McVie Carnival Begin

That could have been a concept with the artwork. I would have had a mystical Ferris wheel with her on keyboards in one Ferris wheel car and he with guitar in another ferris wheel car. (at the top) Then Mick and John in the bottom cars.. with a pale shadow of someone on the pavement.

The back cover a cool rollercoaster with both of them in it.

Single of IN MY WORLD could have been them in a FUN HOUSE twirling.

[jbrownsjr]

Fleetwood Mac HomerMacVie

(for the white album)

[BombaySapphire3]

Something French? ...Champagne!

I thought of that as well but I don't think that dud had been composed yet at the time of Mirage.It reeks of the demented grandiosity and extreme cocaine addiction that would come soon after that .

[HomerMcvie]

Fleetwood Mac HomerMacVie

(for the white album)

:xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:

[jbrownsjr]

:xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:

I know I don't play moderator often, but please don't be cruel to animals and insult them.

Just a warning.

[aleuzzi]

:xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:

This is amazing.

[Villavic]

Something French? ...Champagne!

Or Penguin Château (Château d'Hérouville is the same where Eltons's Honky Château was recorded).

http://ernould.com/Images/Herouv/fleetwood%20mac.jpg

[jbrownsjr]

Or Penguin Château (Château d'Hérouville is the same where Eltons's Honky Château was recorded).

http://ernould.com/Images/Herouv/fleetwood%20mac.jpg

God, I've always loved this photo.

[BombaySapphire3]

God, I've always loved this photo.

The end of an era.. Fleetwood Mac would never be quite the same again.

[HomerMcvie]

This is amazing.

I've got at least a thousand FM pics I've saved over the years. I was looking for a Simpsons one I've got, but it's on a different machine.

[aleuzzi]

The only Mac album title I would want changed is Tango in the Night. I’ve always hated that.

Not sure what the alternative name would be.

[jmn3]

The only Mac album title I would want changed is Tango in the Night. I’ve always hated that.

Not sure what the alternative name would be.

She Stares Up The Stairs
For Scarlet!
Little Lies
I Am What I Am
Mystified
House on the Hill

[vermicious knid]

Tango >>> Everywhere

I would never have thought of this, but I think it really works, including with the album cover art, for some strange reason. Kind of like if any part of the world were really that magical and beautiful-looking, then ALL parts of it must be the same way.

Or Mirage would work as a title for the Tango cover art. Someone pointed out in the past how funny it is that the cover art for Mirage and Tango in the Night would both fit better with the other album's title.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Or Penguin Château (Château d'Hérouville is the same where Eltons's Honky Château was recorded).

http://ernould.com/Images/Herouv/fleetwood%20mac.jpg

It looks like chris is practically holding john up on the steps.

but i do love this picture.

I wish Ken Caillat would write a book about making Mirage, just like he did about Rumours and Tusk. that must have been quite a time in that chateau.

--Lis

[vivfox]

Say You Will should have been titled: Steal Your Heart Away

[DownOnRodeo]

The only Mac album title I would want changed is Tango in the Night. I’ve always hated that.

Not sure what the alternative name would be.

She Stares at Stairs

[jmn3]

She Stares at Stairs

I want partial credit for this one!

[jbrownsjr]

She Stares at Stairs

When I Scream At You Again

[bombaysaffires]

It looks like chris is practically holding john up on the steps.

but i do love this picture.

I wish Ken Caillat would write a book about making Mirage, just like he did about Rumours and Tusk. that must have been quite a time in that chateau.

--Lis

the part that I want to know about is when Stevie arrived, having just completed her first (very successful) solo tour, accompanied by her boyfriend Jimmy Iovine... and some sort of kerfuffle ensued between Lindsey and Jimmy, which by all accounts was instigated by Lindsey and resulted in Jimmy getting on a plane and going back to the US rather than staying the 10 days he had planned to stay. That majorly impacted Stevie and Jimmy's romantic relationship by all accounts. I want to know did that essentially break them up? did he never come back to the chateau? Did he ever spend time on that tour with her? Or was it so f***ed up from that he stayed away? I would have strong sympathy for Stevie in that situation if your ex behaves so badly that it breaks up your present relationship, while he continued to drag *his* new girlfriend around with the band everywhere for years.....:shrug:

[bombaysaffires]

She Stares Up The Stairs
For Scarlet!
Little Lies
I Am What I Am
Mystified
House on the Hill

I Yam What I Yam

[jbrownsjr]

From Emmaline to Frontline.

[BigAl84]

the part that I want to know about is when Stevie arrived, having just completed her first (very successful) solo tour, accompanied by her boyfriend Jimmy Iovine... and some sort of kerfuffle ensued between Lindsey and Jimmy, which by all accounts was instigated by Lindsey and resulted in Jimmy getting on a plane and going back to the US rather than staying the 10 days he had planned to stay. That majorly impacted Stevie and Jimmy's romantic relationship by all accounts. I want to know did that essentially break them up? did he never come back to the chateau? Did he ever spend time on that tour with her? Or was it so f***ed up from that he stayed away? I would have strong sympathy for Stevie in that situation if your ex behaves so badly that it breaks up your present relationship, while he continued to drag *his* new girlfriend around with the band everywhere for years.....:shrug:

Who knows...even Ken C. who likes to kiss the nicks ring has said she was completely out of control coming into the mirage sessions.

[BigAl84]

Christine on the making of Mirage (2016):

Well, I don’t think any of us remember a huge amount about it! But I don’t remember there being anything bad about it, how about that [laughs]?

It was extremely odd in the sense that it wasn’t really a studio. It really was a rather beaten-up old castle. We were living in it, and then there was another area that was made to be a studio. And there were wine cellars underneath, which I believe we used as echo chambers. So it was unusual, but it also provided a “come-together” sort of moment. Because we really had no options to do anything else. In Sausalito, at least you were close to restaurants, clubs, whatever. But at the chateau, you were just there. We had the table tennis out, we had some radio-controlled helicopters, we had food cooked for us every night on the premises. … I don’t know, it was like some weird, manic kind of resort or something. But I think we got on really well during the making of the record. The actual recording part of it, there were no particular spats I can think of. And some of the tracks are really good.

[aleuzzi]

Christine on the making of Mirage (2016):

Well, I don’t think any of us remember a huge amount about it! But I don’t remember there being anything bad about it, how about that [laughs]?

It was extremely odd in the sense that it wasn’t really a studio. It really was a rather beaten-up old castle. We were living in it, and then there was another area that was made to be a studio. And there were wine cellars underneath, which I believe we used as echo chambers. So it was unusual, but it also provided a “come-together” sort of moment. Because we really had no options to do anything else. In Sausalito, at least you were close to restaurants, clubs, whatever. But at the chateau, you were just there. We had the table tennis out, we had some radio-controlled helicopters, we had food cooked for us every night on the premises. … I don’t know, it was like some weird, manic kind of resort or something. But I think we got on really well during the making of the record. The actual recording part of it, there were no particular spats I can think of. And some of the tracks are really good.

Sounds right-ish. Mick recalls "semi-tense" discussions about the direction of the sound for the record because Lindsey wanted a 50s-style Eddie Cochran thing whereas the rest of band wanted to "get back to basics." The sonics of the album suggest a a compromise that tilts a little towards what the rest of the band wanted.

[bwboy]

I remember an interview where they mentioned other names for the Rumours album, but once John mentioned the album should be called Rumours (because of all the rumors going around about them, natch) they all agreed instantly that was the name. It would be interesting if anyone could remember what the other possible names were.

Behind the Mask was originally titled Twist of Fate.

I think, after Rumours, Tusk, and Mirage, Lindsey wanted to end the one word title streak, hence Tango in the Night.

[Macfan4life]

the part that I want to know about is when Stevie arrived, having just completed her first (very successful) solo tour, accompanied by her boyfriend Jimmy Iovine... and some sort of kerfuffle ensued between Lindsey and Jimmy, which by all accounts was instigated by Lindsey and resulted in Jimmy getting on a plane and going back to the US rather than staying the 10 days he had planned to stay. That majorly impacted Stevie and Jimmy's romantic relationship by all accounts. I want to know did that essentially break them up? did he never come back to the chateau? Did he ever spend time on that tour with her? Or was it so f***ed up from that he stayed away? I would have strong sympathy for Stevie in that situation if your ex behaves so badly that it breaks up your present relationship, while he continued to drag *his* new girlfriend around with the band everywhere for years.....:shrug:
It is an interesting piece of history. Anytime an ex is with an ex who brings their new significant other is a tense time. Stevie and Lindsey never got over their relationship. Being that Jimmy was not just her boyfriend but producer who made her a solo star with a #1 album was probably too much for him to take. Also I can see Lindsey being annoyed like "why did you bring him here, we dont need a producer."

[jmn3]

I remember an interview where they mentioned other names for the Rumours album, but once John mentioned the album should be called Rumours (because of all the rumors going around about them, natch) they all agreed instantly that was the name. It would be interesting if anyone could remember what the other possible names were.

Behind the Mask was originally titled Twist of Fate.

I think, after Rumours, Tusk, and Mirage, Lindsey wanted to end the one word title streak, hence Tango in the Night.

I thought Rumours was originally titled “Yesterday’s Gone?”

[aleuzzi]

I thought Rumours was originally titled “Yesterday’s Gone?”

It was. Rumours is so much more intriguing.

[Penguin Emeritus]

I remember an interview where they mentioned other names for the Rumours album, but once John mentioned the album should be called Rumours (because of all the rumors going around about them, natch) they all agreed instantly that was the name. It would be interesting if anyone could remember what the other possible names were.

Behind the Mask was originally titled Twist of Fate.

I think, after Rumours, Tusk, and Mirage, Lindsey wanted to end the one word title streak, hence Tango in the Night.

I thought they were leaning towards Yesterday's Gone before John came up with Rumours.

--Lis

[Penguin Emeritus]

It is an interesting piece of history. Anytime an ex is with an ex who brings their new significant other is a tense time. Stevie and Lindsey never got over their relationship. Being that Jimmy was not just her boyfriend but producer who made her a solo star with a #1 album was probably too much for him to take. Also I can see Lindsey being annoyed like "why did you bring him here, we dont need a producer."

That's very true. I thought I had heard (from Ken, maybe?) that there were not supposed to be any peripherals around during the time at the chateau..that was part of the point of going there, to get everyone away from family, partners, distractions etc and just be around each other. which is the impression i get from chris's description...but I wonder if lindsey was upset that Jimmy-- sort of an 'outsider'--was there, when nobody else had any partners with them?

--Lis

[DownOnRodeo]

I thought Rumours was originally titled “Yesterday’s Gone?”

Instead of decades of confusion as to the spelling of "Rumours", we could have been enjoying decades of confusion about pluralization and apostrophe placement of "Yesterdays".

[bwboy]

I thought they were leaning towards Yesterday's Gone before John came up with Rumours.

--Lis

Yes, you and jmn3 are right, as soon as you guys said that, I recognized it. Yesterday’s Gone is actually a good title and very fitting, but Rumours is the perfect title.

[jmn3]

Instead of decades of confusion as to the spelling of "Rumours", we could have been enjoying decades of confusion about pluralization and apostrophe placement of "Yesterdays".

Thank goodness for John! “Skies the Limit” is the most egregious thing Christine McVie ever put out in the world 🤣

[jmn3]

Yes, you and jmn3 are right, as soon as you guys said that, I recognized it. Yesterday’s Gone is actually a good title and very fitting, but Rumours is the perfect title.

It’s serviceable but not nearly as endearing as Rumours. They pretty much nailed everything having to do with that album.

[jmn3]

That's very true. I thought I had heard (from Ken, maybe?) that there were not supposed to be any peripherals around during the time at the chateau..that was part of the point of going there, to get everyone away from family, partners, distractions etc and just be around each other. which is the impression i get from chris's description...but I wonder if lindsey was upset that Jimmy-- sort of an 'outsider'--was there, when nobody else had any partners with them?

--Lis

This is what I would think too. Bringing Jimmy is a way to annoy Lindsey and rub her successful solo album in his face. I can get why Stevie would do it and also get why it would infuriate Lindsey. But it’s par for the course with this toxic duo.

[Macfan4life]

That's very true. I thought I had heard (from Ken, maybe?) that there were not supposed to be any peripherals around during the time at the chateau..that was part of the point of going there, to get everyone away from family, partners, distractions etc and just be around each other. which is the impression i get from chris's description...but I wonder if lindsey was upset that Jimmy-- sort of an 'outsider'--was there, when nobody else had any partners with them?

--Lis
We do get 2 excellent Stevie songs written during this time: Straight Back and Sable On Blonde (going to France and breaking up with Jimmy). Stevie's life was moving at record speed. Off the Tusk tour she went into the studio for Bella Donna. Once completed, she jet setted back and forth from France and went on tour with Petty flying in for shows around the country. Once his tour finished, she went into rehearsal for her short tour. Then she went back to France to finish Mirage. Came back to the states to make 2 long videos and hit the road with the Mac. Then she went into recording Wild Heart and went on a drug binge tour with Joe. No wonder she was a drug crazed rock star. Just imagine that busy and crazy schedule while everything you touch turns to gold. Bella Donna and Mirage both went to #1 and now they were also video stars.
Too bad there was not a documentary about the making of Mirage. I would enjoy it more than the Tusk one. It was the end of an era for the band and I love every tiny detail about it.

[jbrownsjr]

It’s serviceable but not nearly as endearing as Rumours. They pretty much nailed everything having to do with that album.

Agreed, the title Rumours (with the "u") gives it a certain magic.

[sue]

Agreed, the title Rumours (with the "u") gives it a certain magic.

Just the British way of spelling it..
Obv as John is British he would spell it like that.
But I wonder why they did use the British spelling ?

[soul_drifter333]

My take is that Lindsey suspected that Jimmy would try to produce the album or at least Stevie's tracks. There's a Tom Petty interview where he says that Jimmy was only suppose to be the engineer on Damn The Torpedoes but horded his way into being producer. There were a lot of power plays going on in and out of the group at this time.


This is what I would think too. Bringing Jimmy is a way to annoy Lindsey and rub her successful solo album in his face. I can get why Stevie would do it and also get why it would infuriate Lindsey. But it’s par for the course with this toxic duo.

[bwboy]

Thank goodness for John! “Skies the Limit” is the most egregious thing Christine McVie ever put out in the world 🤣

It’s funny how some people are irritated by that! The interesting thing is, nowhere in the song does anyone sing “skies the limit.” It only appears in the title. In the song, it’s always “the sky is the limit now” and “oh, the sky is the limit.”

In terms of speaking the title, Skies the Limit rolls off the tongue better than The Sky is the Limit or The Sky’s the Limit.

Is there even such a word as sky’s?

[jbrownsjr]

Just the British way of spelling it..
Obv as John is British he would spell it like that.
But I wonder why they did use the British spelling ?

I love the British spelling. Rumors would just look dumb. Like having Silver Springs on the album.

[Macfan4life]

It’s funny how some people are irritated by that! The interesting thing is, nowhere in the song does anyone sing “skies the limit.” It only appears in the title. In the song, it’s always “the sky is the limit now” and “oh, the sky is the limit.”

In terms of speaking the title, Skies the Limit rolls off the tongue better than The Sky is the Limit or The Sky’s the Limit.

Is there even such a word as sky’s?
Funny thing is that Notorious B.I.G has a song Sky's The Limit and Lil Wayne has a song The Sky Is The Limit. But none of these rappers have a cool song Skies The Limit. Another reason Chris was too cool for school ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3vOeCkeCNA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtcCuO7ClT0

[Penguin Emeritus]

Just the British way of spelling it..
Obv as John is British he would spell it like that.
But I wonder why they did use the British spelling ?

Maybe because 3 of them were British. And it does look more majestic that way. ;) I like it.

--Lis

[aleuzzi]

Thank goodness for John! “Skies the Limit” is the most egregious thing Christine McVie ever put out in the world ��

Musically and editorially.

But then there is the line Stevie gave her for “Oh, Daddy”: “and I can’t walk away from you, baby if I tried”—this is bad grammar. Christine’s original line was grammatical, though less evocative.

[jbrownsjr]

Maybe because 3 of them were British. And it does look more majestic that way. ;) I like it.

--Lis

It really does. (look majestic). It's the McVie royalty. :xoxo:

[jmn3]

Musically and editorially.

But then there is the line Stevie gave her for “Oh, Daddy”: “and I can’t walk away from you, baby if I tried”—this is bad grammar. Christine’s original line was grammatical, though less evocative.

Chris was too kind to say anything to Stevie. Or Bob Dylan.

[jbrownsjr]

Chris was too kind to say anything to Stevie. Or Bob Dylan.

She would have gotten Thrown Down.

[Macfan4life]

She would have gotten Thrown Down.
And left staring at the stairs

[jbrownsjr]

And left staring at the stairs

While the sky was crying.

[jmn3]

While the sky was crying.

Crying in the night

[jbrownsjr]

Crying in the night

That's why the clouds didn't expect it. It was dark.

[SteveMacD]

Say You Will: Goodbye Baby

[jbrownsjr]

Say You Will: Goodbye Baby

Boy, ain't that the truth.