Stevie should sing Everywhere on her upcoming tour.

[Wdm6789]

Stevie just announced 2023 tour dates. I think it would be very fitting if she sings Everywhere on this tour and dedicates it to Christine. Stevie added Free Fallin’ to her set list to honor Tom Petty when he died. Everywhere would be a great song for Stevie to sing because it’s one of Christine’s signature songs and it recently had a big spike in popularity because of that Chevy Commercial.

I really hope Stevie adds one of Christine’s songs to the set list and gives a dedication speech to Christine on this tour.

[BombaySapphire3]

Since it is a solo tour I think that performing one of Christine's solo hits would be appropriate . She could sing Love Will Show Us How and as an homage to Christine she could act out the video for that song which culminates with a large alien spaceship hovering overhead and then crashing to the stage.

[HomerMcvie]

Since it is a solo tour I think that performing one of Christine's solo hits would be appropriate . She could sing Love Will Show Us How and as an homage to Christine she could act out the video for that song which culminates with a large alien spaceship hovering overhead and then crashing to the stage.
god, even I'd buy a ticket to see THAT.

[bombaysaffires]

In all seriousness though, she could just do Think About It since it's one of her solo songs and was written for Chris. Her current voice is mostly grating on her own songs, let's not tarnish one of Christine's

[HomerMcvie]

She couldn't even come close to singing that song.

[SteveMacD]

Dear God, no.

I'd be fine with "Don't Stop." Everyone knows the words and I'm already used to her singing it.

[Macfan4life]

She couldn't even come close to singing that song.
Maybe she can do it in her fake Christine voice with her brilliant British accent.

[bwboy]

In all seriousness though, she could just do Think About It since it's one of her solo songs and was written for Chris. Her current voice is mostly grating on her own songs, let's not tarnish one of Christine's

Think About It would be nice, and it’s actually one of my favorite songs, but it makes sense for Stevie to sing Don’t Stop as a tribute for so many reasons- it’s well known; Christine wrote it; it’s upbeat so as a tribute it’s actually joyous; and it’s a perfect showcase for Billy Joel to join her on it.

There’s a video of Stevie and her solo band performing Don’t Stop on YouTube, and she does a surprisingly great job, so her voice won’t tarnish it.

[Macfan4life]

I say yes if Stevie lets her back up singers take all the high notes and Stevie does her Tango-esque "I wannnnaaa beeee with Yooooou" over and over and ruins the song again.

Game on.

[jbrownsjr]

I vote Think About It. She wrote it for her around Rumours' era... Dedicated it to her on her solo album. Who doesn't love the velvet of the morning.

[Villavic]

Paul sang Something in his 2011 tour as a homage to George, so it is not uncommon for someone to sing a song of his late friend. But considering how differente their voices are, and how is Stevie's voice nowadays, I don't see a Christine song that fits well on Stevie. Though that doesn't really matter if the point is a true tribute.

[jbrownsjr]

Paul sang Something in his 2011 tour as a homage to George, so it is not uncommon for someone to sing a song of his late friend. But considering how differente their voices are, and how is Stevie's voice nowadays, I don't see a Christine song that fits well on Stevie. Though that doesn't really matter if the point is a true tribute.

That's why it would be perfect for her to break out of her routine and do "Think About It".

[Wdm6789]

I say yes if Stevie lets her back up singers take all the high notes and Stevie does her Tango-esque "I wannnnaaa beeee with Yooooou" over and over and ruins the song again.

Game on.



Lol I liked when Stevie sang that “I wanna be with youuuu” on the chorus on the Tango tour and the 1990 tour.

But if Stevie were to sing Everyone on her upcoming tour I think she should just sing the “Iiiiiiiiii….Iiiiiii… Iiiiii wanna be with you everywhere” along with the backup singers like they did on The Dance.

And yes Think About it would be good also because it’s about Christine, but I think Everywhere would be more fitting because it’s a more well known song. Don’t Stop would be good too. But I think Everywhere would be better.

[aleuzzi]

Or — and here’s an idea — she could write a new song about the death of her best friend in the world …

Just sayin’…

[jbrownsjr]

Or — and here’s an idea — she could write a new song about the death of her best friend in the world …

Just sayin’…

Prince? Joe Walsh? Karen? Christine? Sara? Robin?

[aleuzzi]

Prince? Joe Walsh? Karen? Christine? Sara? Robin?

John Lewis and MLK and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

[UnwindedDreams]

John Lewis and MLK and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
She didn't respect MLK Jr enough to call him Reverend Doctor MLK

[jbrownsjr]

John Lewis and MLK and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

President Nicks

[Villavic]

Or — and here’s an idea — she could write a new song about the death of her best friend in the world …

Just sayin’…

Better about the life of her dearest friend.

[Karlie]

John Lewis and MLK and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Don’t forget Queen Elizabeth!

[jbrownsjr]

Don’t forget Queen Elizabeth!

:lol: Queen Elizabeth helped write Stand Back.

[Ulpian]

She could always revive the terrible version of Say You Love Me which she and LB did on the 2009 tour.

Actually no.

Don’t.

Ever. ;)

[aleuzzi]

:lol: Queen Elizabeth helped write Stand Back.

"Landslide" is about Queen Elizabeth. She realizes that now.

[aleuzzi]

She could always revive the terrible version of Say You Love Me which she and LB did on the 2009 tour.

Actually no.

Don’t.

Ever. ;)

That's the thing about the three Rumours-era writers: their songs sound good only when the original writer(s) is singing them. Stevie couldn't sing "Everywhere" and more than Christine could sing "Gypsy," etc. The only songs that sounded good by other members were: Lindsey-Stevie-Christine's "Station Man"; Lindsey's "Oh Well"; Bob-Christine's "Loved Another Woman"; Christine's "Jumping at Shadows"...

[David]

I really hope Stevie adds one of Christine’s songs to the set list and gives a dedication speech to Christine on this tour.

Thinking back to the live performances of LOVE IS and LANDSLIDE, I think Stevie would sing a beautiful rendition of THE WAY I FEEL. It would have Steviefied phrasing and dynamics, yes, but it would work for me. And the idea of pulling out a song that is less commercialized is nice.

[SteveMacD]

She could do “Get Like You Used To Be” since it’s a blues song and open to interpretation.

[jbrownsjr]

She could do “Get Like You Used To Be” since it’s a blues song and open to interpretation.

It was written by Santana.

[aleuzzi]

It was written by Santana.

You win the comment game with this one.

[jmn3]

That's the thing about the three Rumours-era writers: their songs sound good only when the original writer(s) is singing them. Stevie couldn't sing "Everywhere" and more than Christine could sing "Gypsy," etc. The only songs that sounded good by other members were: Lindsey-Stevie-Christine's "Station Man"; Lindsey's "Oh Well"; Bob-Christine's "Loved Another Woman"; Christine's "Jumping at Shadows"...

How dare you forget Christine’s Rhiannon? “Dreams unwind a lalala etcetera etcetera”

[jmn3]

I’d be shocked if she didn’t do Don’t Stop in her encore nightly on this tour. And it’s a perfect fit for Billy Joel to join in on for those dates.

She should stay far the hell away from a song like Everywhere. I can’t imagine her voice singing the entire song. That said, it would be right in her wheelhouse to try and tap into the Everywhere fame going on recently with the Chevy commercial and use it as a tribute to Chris.

[BLY]

Stevie should not cover any of Christine’s songs IMO. She can dedicate Landslide to her.

[The Catdancer]

Stevie should not cover any of Christine’s songs IMO. She can dedicate Landslide to her.

I totally agree. Dedicate the whole show/tour to Christine, but she shouldn't touch her songs. She doesn't have the voice for them.

[Macfan4life]

Stevie should not cover any of Christine’s songs IMO. She can dedicate Landslide to her.
I agree. I think we are in the silent minority.
I am not sure why so many expect artists to constantly wear their emotions and feelings on their sleeves. Stevie dedicates Landslide to someone every night. That is heartfelt. Stopping concerts and big presentations lose their sincerity IMHO. Do we really need Stevie to prove her love and her loss for Chris every night over and over?
But I realize I am in the minority.

[bwboy]

I agree. I think we are in the silent minority.
I am not sure why so many expect artists to constantly wear their emotions and feelings on their sleeves. Stevie dedicates Landslide to someone every night. That is heartfelt. Stopping concerts and big presentations lose their sincerity IMHO. Do we really need Stevie to prove her love and her loss for Chris every night over and over?
But I realize I am in the minority.

I don’t know that you’re in the minority, it seems like a number of folks agree with you.

As I read your comment, I imagined being at one of Stevie’s upcoming shows, and imagined her band performing Don’t Stop, and could see the audience singing along in a joyous manner, and then maybe as they’re leaving the venue saying something about how great Christine was. I figure being a Stevie solo show, there may be some folks who didn’t know Christine wrote Don’t Stop, and seeing pictures of Christine during the song will expose her to them.

I guess I would say no, we don’t need Stevie to prove her love for Christine every night over and over, but I see it as she’s reminding the audience of how great Christine was, over and over.

[Macfan4life]

I don’t know that you’re in the minority, it seems like a number of folks agree with you.

As I read your comment, I imagined being at one of Stevie’s upcoming shows, and imagined her band performing Don’t Stop, and could see the audience singing along in a joyous manner, and then maybe as they’re leaving the venue saying something about how great Christine was. I figure being a Stevie solo show, there may be some folks who didn’t know Christine wrote Don’t Stop, and seeing pictures of Christine during the song will expose her to them.

I guess I would say no, we don’t need Stevie to prove her love for Christine every night over and over, but I see it as she’s reminding the audience of how great Christine was, over and over.
Well she may have boxed herself in with these show stopping tributes because if she does not do one, people will flame her and accuse her of not caring about Christine which is ridiculous. And if you do perform one of her songs, do a song that introduces her audience to Chris's work. Performing one of Chris's greatest hits is chasing the shiny object and so predictable. However be careful what you wish for. Chris's voice is the complete opposite of Stevie's. Any song Stevie will do would really alter the sound which is going to attract criticism. I say dedicate Landside or HAWAFY to Chris, with some photos and move on.

[jbrownsjr]

Again, all she has to do is step into the velvet of the morning, and let herself lay back in her dreams. :nod:

[BigAl84]

I don’t know that you’re in the minority, it seems like a number of folks agree with you.

As I read your comment, I imagined being at one of Stevie’s upcoming shows, and imagined her band performing Don’t Stop, and could see the audience singing along in a joyous manner, and then maybe as they’re leaving the venue saying something about how great Christine was. I figure being a Stevie solo show, there may be some folks who didn’t know Christine wrote Don’t Stop, and seeing pictures of Christine during the song will expose her to them.

I guess I would say no, we don’t need Stevie to prove her love for Christine every night over and over, but I see it as she’s reminding the audience of how great Christine was, over and over.

Oh she has to prove it. Just like she had to lecture entire arenas post-encore about her return via the dreamcatcher speech. But sure, it's all about Chris right? hahaha

[BigAl84]

Not to go off topic here...I'm still trying to comprehend the situation. You've got Chris and John sitting on an amp together, having full on conversations with each other because somebody in the band insists on telling a 10+ minute story before a song starts. Lindsey is standing in the dark waiting or interacting with fans in the front. Literally the entire band is so over it, almost none of them have any interest in attempting to be polite. As the band member holding court for ten minutes you would think that they would be able to read the room and figure out nobody is enjoying this. Then you have the gaul to get irritated (at times) if everyone on stage isn't intently listening to your story time when it's show #53 of a tour. It's mind boggling.

[Macfan4life]

Not to go off topic here...I'm still trying to comprehend the situation. You've got Chris and John sitting on an amp together, having full on conversations with each other because somebody in the band insists on telling a 10+ minute story before a song starts. Lindsey is standing in the dark waiting or interacting with fans in the front. Literally the entire band is so over it, almost none of them have any interest in attempting to be polite. As the band member holding court for ten minutes you would think that they would be able to read the room and figure out nobody is enjoying this. Then you have the gaul to get irritated (at times) if everyone on stage isn't intently listening to your story time when it's show #53 of a tour. It's mind boggling.
In Miami 2015 during Stevie's Gypsy story she was telling how she was on the road with CCR and the car broke down and Lindsey made his guitar or something sound like a car horn honking during her speech. She stopped mid sentence, turned to Lindsey and asked "Did you do that? Why did you do that? Then she turned to the audience and asked "Am I going on too long? She stopped telling the story. She was furious and they started the song. At the end of the concert, Stevie was still pissed off. She did not come out for her usual banter about Chris.
Long story short, absolutely to your suspicion. Clearly Lindsey had enough of the long rambling story.

[jmn3]

not to go off topic here...i'm still trying to comprehend the situation. You've got chris and john sitting on an amp together, having full on conversations with each other because somebody in the band insists on telling a 10+ minute story before a song starts. Lindsey is standing in the dark waiting or interacting with fans in the front. Literally the entire band is so over it, almost none of them have any interest in attempting to be polite. As the band member holding court for ten minutes you would think that they would be able to read the room and figure out nobody is enjoying this. Then you have the gaul to get irritated (at times) if everyone on stage isn't intently listening to your story time when it's show #53 of a tour. It's mind boggling.

1968! San francissssscoooo! The velvet underground! Janis joplin! Jimi hendrix!!!! San francissssco!

[jmn3]

In Miami 2015 during Stevie's Gypsy story she was telling how she was on the road with CCR and the car broke down and Lindsey made his guitar or something sound like a car horn honking during her speech. She stopped mid sentence, turned to Lindsey and asked "Did you do that? Why did you do that? Then she turned to the audience and asked "Am I going on too long? She stopped telling the story. She was furious and they started the song. At the end of the concert, Stevie was still pissed off. She did not come out for her usual banter about Chris.
Long story short, absolutely to your suspicion. Clearly Lindsey had enough of the long rambling story.

This is hilarious! Tell me there’s a video

[jbrownsjr]

In Miami 2015 during Stevie's Gypsy story she was telling how she was on the road with CCR and the car broke down and Lindsey made his guitar or something sound like a car horn honking during her speech. She stopped mid sentence, turned to Lindsey and asked "Did you do that? Why did you do that? Then she turned to the audience and asked "Am I going on too long? She stopped telling the story. She was furious and they started the song. At the end of the concert, Stevie was still pissed off. She did not come out for her usual banter about Chris.
Long story short, absolutely to your suspicion. Clearly Lindsey had enough of the long rambling story.

This is hilarious! I'm sure it was an added ember to the already brewing fire, power grab, and samurai chop that was about to come!

[Macfan4life]

This is hilarious! I'm sure it was an added ember to the already brewing fire, power grab, and samurai chop that was about to come!
The story got longer as the tour went on. It no longer was just about the Velvet Underground and buying the fancy clothes. It became how she struggled to make it in the bizz and the harshness of being a warm up band for CCR traveling around in a car, etc.
I think from that night on, the story went back to being a tad shorter :lol:
Lindsey was probably out of his mind night after night and could not take it anymore since it was going on and on and on and on and on.

[jbrownsjr]

The story got longer as the tour went on. It no longer was just about the Velvet Underground and buying the fancy clothes. It became how she struggled to make it in the bizz and the harshness of being a warm up band for CCR traveling around in a car, etc.
I think from that night on, the story went back to being a tad shorter :lol:
Lindsey was probably out of his mind night after night and could not take it anymore since it was going on and on and on and on and on.

He wasn't kidding that she needed her name in capital letters. :laugh:

[BigAl84]

1968! San francissssscoooo! The velvet underground! Janis joplin! Jimi hendrix!!!! San francissssco!

Oh the number of people in the crowd increased as the tour went on too. First it was "We opened for Janis in front of 5000 people" by the end of the tour it was like "We opened for Janis in front of 30,000 people"

[BigAl84]

The story got longer as the tour went on. It no longer was just about the Velvet Underground and buying the fancy clothes. It became how she struggled to make it in the bizz and the harshness of being a warm up band for CCR traveling around in a car, etc.
I think from that night on, the story went back to being a tad shorter :lol:
Lindsey was probably out of his mind night after night and could not take it anymore since it was going on and on and on and on and on.

...And Christine was way more gracious than she probably ever needed to be with her, going back to the 70s. I applaud her for somehow keeping it friendly between them. I suspect that only worked because they were not friends that hung out together outside of band activities.

[jbrownsjr]

...And Christine was way more gracious than she probably ever needed to be with her, going back to the 70s. I applaud her for somehow keeping it friendly between them. I suspect that only worked because they were not friends that hung out together outside of band activities.

She should have gone up to the mic and said.

Hi I'm Stevie Nicks, love me.
Hi I'm Stevie Nicks, love me.
Hi I'm Stevie Nicks, love me.
Hi I'm Stevie Nicks, love me.
Hi I'm Stevie Nicks, love me.
Hi I'm Stevie Nicks, love me.
Hi I'm Stevie Nicks, love me. for 20 minutes.

[UnwindedDreams]

Not to go off topic here...I'm still trying to comprehend the situation. You've got Chris and John sitting on an amp together, having full on conversations with each other because somebody in the band insists on telling a 10+ minute story before a song starts. Lindsey is standing in the dark waiting or interacting with fans in the front. Literally the entire band is so over it, almost none of them have any interest in attempting to be polite. As the band member holding court for ten minutes you would think that they would be able to read the room and figure out nobody is enjoying this. Then you have the gaul to get irritated (at times) if everyone on stage isn't intently listening to your story time when it's show #53 of a tour. It's mind boggling.
Christine blew her whistle at Stevie during an OWTS show and Stevie was upset with her.

[BombaySapphire3]

In the beginning I believe that Stevie and Christine were really pretty close friends . After Rumours and major stardom kicked in Stevie slowly became something only a mother or sychophant could love and time has not diminished this much in fact is worse than ever probably.

[bombaysaffires]

In the beginning I believe that Stevie and Christine were really pretty close friends . After Rumours and major stardom kicked in Stevie slowly became something only a mother or sychophant could love and time has not diminished this much in fact is worse than ever probably.

well as Chris said at some point in the early/mid 80s, (I'm paraphrasing, someone will find the exact quote) "In the beginning Stevie really had her feet on the ground, but over the past 10 years she's developed a sort of fantasy world that I'm not part of"

Typical British understatement.

[SteveMacD]

Lindsey and John were never close. Weird how that never gets discussed.

[BigAl84]

Lindsey and John were never close. Weird how that never gets discussed.

Weird how Lindsey never made statements that John was his best friend in the whole world...

Also weird how John hasn't gone around making sh*t up for the past 15 years.

[jbrownsjr]

Lindsey and John were never close. Weird how that never gets discussed.

To be fair, it was brought up a lot in the late 70's and pretty much all of the 80's. Lately, from some reason it's taken a back seat. :confused::lol:

[Penguin Emeritus]

I totally agree. Dedicate the whole show/tour to Christine, but she shouldn't touch her songs. She doesn't have the voice for them.

Completely agree. not one particle of my being wants to hear stevie warbling her way through one of christine's songs.

--Lis

[Penguin Emeritus]

In the beginning I believe that Stevie and Christine were really pretty close friends . After Rumours and major stardom kicked in Stevie slowly became something only a mother or sychophant could love and time has not diminished this much in fact is worse than ever probably.

I agree. I think early on, they were indeed pretty close and probably felt very lucky to have each other to talk to and bond with in those days of break ups and touring and life-changing success. But I don't think chris ever really inherently changed as a person, as to who she was. Even with all her success and money, the person she was in like 1973 was not much different than the person she was in 2022. Stevie, on the other hand, seemed to develop into kind of a different entity. more of 'a star' w an entourage etc...like Lindsey has said, sort of saw herself in capital letters.

-Lis

[aleuzzi]

I agree. I think early on, they were indeed pretty close and probably felt very lucky to have each other to talk to and bond with in those days of break ups and touring and life-changing success. But I don't think chris ever really inherently changed as a person, as to who she was. Even with all her success and money, the person she was in like 1973 was not much different than the person she was in 2022. Stevie, on the other hand, seemed to develop into kind of a different entity. more of 'a star' w an entourage etc...like Lindsey has said, sort of saw herself in capital letters.

-Lis

Based on interviews, demeanor and overall attitude, I'd agree with you.

Bob Weston said otherwise in his q&a. He felt the Christine of the late 70s/early 80s was very different than the Christine he worked with in 1973. According to him, she used be "homely" and "content to be a musician." Later, she became someone who used her power in the industry "like a weapon."

I suppose from Weston's point of view the woman who used to make meals for everyone at Benifolds bore little resemblance to the California queen she'd become. But I still think, compared to others, Christine kept her core personality in tact.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Based on interviews, demeanor and overall attitude, I'd agree with you.

Bob Weston said otherwise in his q&a. He felt the Christine of the late 70s/early 80s was very different than the Christine he worked with in 1973. According to him, she used be "homely" and "content to be a musician." Later, she became someone who used her power in the industry "like a weapon."

I suppose from Weston's point of view the woman who used to make meals for everyone at Benifolds bore little resemblance to the California queen she'd become. But I still think, compared to others, Christine kept her core personality in tact.

that's true. actually, now that i think about it, Ken Caillat also made comments that Chris had changed a lot as well.

--Lis

[elle]

In Miami 2015 during Stevie's Gypsy story she was telling how she was on the road with CCR and the car broke down and Lindsey made his guitar or something sound like a car horn honking during her speech. She stopped mid sentence, turned to Lindsey and asked "Did you do that? Why did you do that? Then she turned to the audience and asked "Am I going on too long? She stopped telling the story. She was furious and they started the song. At the end of the concert, Stevie was still pissed off. She did not come out for her usual banter about Chris.
.
and that's why he needed to be fired.

Christine blew her whistle at Stevie during an OWTS show and Stevie was upset with her.
and that's why if she said no to Lindsey's firing, she would have probably been the next one to go.

never share the stage again with these bad bad non-worshipping people.

[elle]

I imagined being at one of Stevie’s upcoming shows, and imagined her band performing Don’t Stop, and could see the audience singing along in a joyous manner, and then maybe as they’re leaving the venue saying something about how great Christine was. I figure being a Stevie solo show, there may be some folks who didn’t know Christine wrote Don’t Stop, and seeing pictures of Christine during the song will expose her to them.

yes. i think Stevie doing Don't Stop and clearly identifying it as Christine's song, making sure to emphasize Christine was her equal and just as important (or even more) singer/songwriter in FM and dedicating it to her memory would be a nice thing, considering Stevie is much better known FM member.

this is very different from her riding the coattails of Prince or Tom Petty who were both so much more known & successful acts than she has been. in that case, especially about Prince with whom she barely had any contact or relationship, it felt like exploiting a hugely popular and respected act to make herself look more important. it would be exactly the opposite with Christine.

[Macfan4life]

Completely agree. not one particle of my being wants to hear stevie warbling her way through one of christine's songs.

--Lis
You won the post of the week :)

[UnwindedDreams]

To be fair, it was brought up a lot in the late 70's and pretty much all of the 80's. Lately, from some reason it's taken a back seat. :confused::lol:

There's video of Lindsey and John hanging out at LAX in 2015.
And Lindsey prevented a substitute bassist from replacing John for the 2013 Australian Tour.

[SteveMacD]

There's video of Lindsey and John hanging out at LAX in 2015.
And Lindsey prevented a substitute bassist from replacing John for the 2013 Australian Tour.

Robbing George Hawkins of his big payday.

(I don’t have any evidence George Hawkins would have gotten the gig, but given he sang on John’s solo album, I think John would have been okay with it on an emergency temporary situation.)

[BombaySapphire3]

There's video of Lindsey and John hanging out at LAX in 2015.
And Lindsey prevented a substitute bassist from replacing John for the 2013 Australian Tour.

I think that most of the friction between Lindsey and John was due to Lindsey's wanting to take creative control of the production of the band's albums and musical direction of the band back when albums really mattered and boy did they matter when you had mega platinum albums. Once this era passed it was likely much easier for them to get along.

[SteveMacD]

I think that most of the friction between Lindsey and John was due to Lindsey's wanting to take creative control of the production of the band's albums and musical direction of the band back when albums really mattered and boy did they matter when you had mega platinum albums. Once this era passed it was likely much easier for them to get along.

Lindsey kept trying to tell John what to play. Lindsey though John’s playing was too busy.

Kind of nervy. John already had a noteworthy career. The 1975 record was like his fifteenth album.

[bwboy]

yes. i think Stevie doing Don't Stop and clearly identifying it as Christine's song, making sure to emphasize Christine was her equal and just as important (or even more) singer/songwriter in FM and dedicating it to her memory would be a nice thing, considering Stevie is much better known FM member.

this is very different from her riding the coattails of Prince or Tom Petty who were both so much more known & successful acts than she has been. in that case, especially about Prince with whom she barely had any contact or relationship, it felt like exploiting a hugely popular and respected act to make herself look more important. it would be exactly the opposite with Christine.

Quick question- WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH ELLE???

Just kidding :laugh:

I just wanted to add my 2 cents to the debate about about whether Stevie and Christine were friends, or rather how good friends they were: I think the Rumours 5 have an unbelievable bond, being as popular as they were as quickly as they were, and with all the relationships that were intertwined. And certainly, Stevie and Christine, being women, probably bonded much more than the three gentlemen. Stevie seemed to, and perhaps still does, need intimate friends. I’ve heard Stevie say things like “Christine and I took a vow that night that we would never take a backseat to the boys” or something to that effect, with candles lit and Stevie holding Christine’s hand. Now I can just picture Christine sharing the same story in her own words- “I told Stevie those boys better not pull any crap with us” as she was drinking a glass of wine on the couch. I mean, we all know Stevie says these outrageous things, but in her mind she probably believe it. So when she says Christine was her best friend, yet she hadn’t talked to her since the last day of their tour 2 or 3 years ago, she believes it because there is absolutely no one else in the world who can really understand what it was like for them in 1975-1980. That sort of thing definitely creates a bond.

[elle]

Robbing George Hawkins of his big payday.

(I don’t have any evidence George Hawkins would have gotten the gig, but given he sang on John’s solo album, I think John would have been okay with it on an emergency temporary situation.)

:laugh:

so i guess to pay it back he got himself fired in 2018 out of charity for poor Mike and Neil so they can get even larger payday :lol:

[elle]

There's video of Lindsey and John hanging out at LAX in 2015.
And Lindsey prevented a substitute bassist from replacing John for the 2013 Australian Tour.

yes. all these relationships (well - most! we know about one apparently stuck in a rut) evolved from the early days, as they all as people evolved and changed too. saying that John and Lindsey do not get along in 21st century as an extrapolation from what was happening in recording studio in 1970s is just uniformed.

Destiny Rules doc can provide a glance of adult comfortable relationship between Lindsey and John. they both like and can keep to themselves and away from all the fanfare. Lindsey and John were keeping separate from Mick and Stevie a lot when travelling to FM gigs in 2010s, presumably because they wanted nothing to do with all the hullabaloo coming with the entourage and penthouse suites.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Robbing George Hawkins of his big payday.

(I don’t have any evidence George Hawkins would have gotten the gig, but given he sang on John’s solo album, I think John would have been okay with it on an emergency temporary situation.)

I think George might have gotten that gig if they had decided to go that route. (I'm glad they didn't. ) He actually told us years ago when we met him that he was sort of told to be ready as a 'backup bassist' on a couple of tours, when John's drinking was very bad. 'Just in case.' guess they weren't taking any chances. So George was already a known entity to them in terms of bass backup plan.

--Lis

[jbrownsjr]

You won the post of the week :)

Month!!!!!

[BombaySapphire3]

absolutely no one else in the world who can really understand what it was like for them in 1975-1980. That sort of thing definitely creates a bond.

Well possibly Agnetha and Frida over in Sweden.

[dougl]

Christine blew her whistle at Stevie during an OWTS show and Stevie was upset with her.

Hartford, at the 1:50 mark

https://youtu.be/f-hIvLLPiPs

[UnwindedDreams]

I think that most of the friction between Lindsey and John was due to Lindsey's wanting to take creative control of the production of the band's albums and musical direction of the band back when albums really mattered and boy did they matter when you had mega platinum albums. Once this era passed it was likely much easier for them to get along.
And John played on Lindsey's Gift of Screws album and of course, John, Mick, and Lindsey cut songs together in 2011 or 2012 (Hunger, Sad Angel, Ride This Road, and who knows what else)

[bwboy]

Well possibly Agnetha and Frida over in Sweden.

I actually did think of Abba when I wrote what I did about Stevie and Christine- you’re right, they could surely relate to the dynamic the ladies from FM had. I’ve seen a special about Abba on PBS a handful of times (PBS airs specials on Abba and The Carpenters every Christmas LOL) and Agnetha and Frida didn’t seem as friendly to each other. Could be a cultural thing, though. Still, your point is well taken.

[SteveMacD]

saying that John and Lindsey do not get along in 21st century as an extrapolation from what was happening in recording studio in 1970s is just uniformed.
John was still talking about it in 1995, and Lindsey just recently talked about how John’s playing was sometimes busy in his classic passive aggressive way.

Destiny Rules doc can provide a glance of adult comfortable relationship between Lindsey and John.

And John played on Lindsey's Gift of Screws album and of course, John, Mick, and Lindsey cut songs together in 2011 or 2012 (Hunger, Sad Angel, Ride This Road, and who knows what else)
Going out on a limb here, but it was likely made abundantly clear by WB when they rejected Smile in 1995 that Lindsey needed to take the stick out of his ass. And then, they promptly stuck Rob Cavallo on him.

Lindsey got the hint that he needed to think of John as part of the equation instead of sticking with what he thinks the bass part should be. So, he eventually learned to play nice.

[UnwindedDreams]

Going out on a limb here, but it was likely made abundantly clear by WB when they rejected Smile in 1995 that Lindsey needed to take the stick out of his ass. And then, they promptly stuck Rob Cavallo on him.

Lindsey got the hint that he needed to think of John as part of the equation instead of sticking with what he thinks the bass part should be. So, he eventually learned to play nice.
Do you think Lindsey has any musical talent? Just curious

[SteveMacD]

Do you think Lindsey has any musical talent? Just curious

Tons of talent. Brilliant musician. It’s his people skills, at least as they relate to Fleetwood Mac, his inflated sense of importance, and how he wasted so much time in his career that are the problem.

[UnwindedDreams]

Tons of talent. Brilliant musician. It’s his people skills, at least as they relate to Fleetwood Mac, his inflated sense of importance, and how he wasted so much time in his career that are the problem.
I see and I hear you. But you do know that Christine and Mick have said that he knew best what to do with Stevie's demos?

[SteveMacD]

I see and I hear you. But you do know that Christine and Mick have said that he knew best what to do with Stevie's demos?

OTOH, by SYW, she had others she could work with. Lindsey, for whatever reason, couldn’t understand that. It’s like he forgot that Stevie made three solo albums and a Fleetwood Mac album since they last made an album together. He couldn’t or just didn’t adjust to that.

[UnwindedDreams]

OTOH, by SYW, she had others she could work with. Lindsey, for whatever reason, couldn’t understand that. It’s like he forgot that Stevie made three solo albums and a Fleetwood Mac album since they last made an album together. He couldn’t or just didn’t adjust to that.
Well he worked with her when she made solo albums too. Did Stevie say she didn't like what Lindsey did to her SYW songs?

[SteveMacD]

Well he worked with her when she made solo albums too. Did Stevie say she didn't like what Lindsey did to her SYW songs?

I believe the exact quote was “my demos sounded better.”

However, that’s more of a Buckingham Nicks dynamic. My bigger issue is how he downplayed the contributions of Mick, John, and Christine and made an effort to bypass them as much as possible on his songs. He totally had a chip on his shoulder the whole time he was initially in the band, which he didn’t want to join in the first place. He always thought he could’ve made it without them.

[UnwindedDreams]

I believe the exact quote was “my demos sounded better.”

However, that’s more of a Buckingham Nicks dynamic. My bigger issue is how he downplayed the contributions of Mick, John, and Christine and made an effort to bypass them as much as possible on his songs. He totally had a chip on his shoulder the whole time he was initially in the band, which he didn’t want to join in the first place. He always thought he could’ve made it without them.
Interesting. So would you say Behind The Mask is the best post-1974 Fleetwood Mac album?

[SteveMacD]

Interesting. So would you say Behind The Mask is the best post-1974 Fleetwood Mac album?
LOL! What?

[BombaySapphire3]

Interesting. So would you say Behind The Mask is the best post-1974 Fleetwood Mac album?

Of course not...it's Time !

[jbrownsjr]

Of course not...it's Time !

The EP is the best! :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Still trying to wrap my head around that stretch in logic. I wasn’t aware you had to completely approve of someone to like their music. I would think someone who has certainly been critical of Stevie yet is still a fan would get the concept. I guess people don’t apply their own rules to themselves.

The 1975 album is my favorite. It’s an incredible band effort that was well produced without having excessive extraneous production (car horn notwithstanding). The songs, the voices, and the musicianship spoke for themselves. There are more setlist staples on that album than Tusk, Mirage, or Tango and they did it in just three months.

I’m not saying Lindsey’s Brian Wilson boner didn’t lead to some incredible music, but the excesses and musical fractures it led to was ultimately the band’s undoing as a working entity. For all the “Tusk is a masterpiece” comments, I have no doubt it would chap Lindsey’s ass if he knew people preferred the full band versions of his Tusk songs on the tour rehearsal videos.

[anusha]

This thread exemplifies why I would rather that Stevie not perform a Christine tribute — it always ends up being all about Stevie anyway. But if she does, I would guess it could be Everywhere. It won’t be Think About It because that wasn’t a big enough hit.

As for Lindsey’s likeability? As someone who does like his music, even the tracks with little input from the band, yeah, he seems abrasive at least when it comes to Stevie and at times smug when dealing with the band. And historically he’s had some terrible behavior. But really aside from Christine, they’re all kind of terrible people (or at least have had periods of terrible behavior in their pasts) on one level or another. How one reconciles that with liking the music is an individual decision.

[HomerMcvie]

Lindsey was always my second favorite member. He's now my favorite living member. He's the creative genius behind their success. They all owe him, BIG TIME.

And one of the things I love about him most, is that he CAN'T STAND Stevie, and pushed the old goat's buttons at every chance he ever got. Because she's INSUFFERABLE.

God damn I love him for that. :xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:

[Karlie]

This thread exemplifies why I would rather that Stevie not perform a Christine tribute — it always ends up being all about Stevie anyway. But if she does, I would guess it could be Everywhere. It won’t be Think About It because that wasn’t a big enough hit.


I think if she does one of Christine's songs, it would have to be Don't Stop. It wouldn't be a big risk for her since she's done it with her solo band before, and it's a crowdpleaser that the casual fans in the audience will know.

Regardless of whether Stevie should sing Everywhere, I don't think she could. It would have to be transposed into a key in which Stevie could hit the notes, and that would be so far removed from the original that it would be near unrecognizable. Either that or the backup singers pretty much sing the entire thing.

[SteveMacD]

And one of the things I love about him most, is that he CAN'T STAND Stevie, and pushed the old goat's buttons at every chance he ever got. Because she's INSUFFERABLE.

How’d that go for him?

[jmn3]

How’d that go for him?

Well, I suppose if money is the critical measure here (right, because she who is most popular/has the best sales/sells the most seats, is who is in charge), then he sued them and got paid what he would’ve made without playing ~100 shows? I guess that’s how it worked out…:shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

I think if she does one of Christine's songs, it would have to be Don't Stop. It wouldn't be a big risk for her since she's done it with her solo band before, and it's a crowdpleaser that the casual fans in the audience will know.

Regardless of whether Stevie should sing Everywhere, I don't think she could. It would have to be transposed into a key in which Stevie could hit the notes, and that would be so far removed from the original that it would be near unrecognizable. Either that or the backup singers pretty much sing the entire thing.

Stevie can't do an octave. It would be a bloody mess if she tried to sing that.

[SteveMacD]

then he sued them and got paid what he would’ve made without playing ~100 shows? I guess that’s how it worked out…:shrug:

Do we even know how much he got? All that was said is that they settled.

[BigAl84]

OTOH, by SYW, she had others she could work with. Lindsey, for whatever reason, couldn’t understand that. It’s like he forgot that Stevie made three solo albums and a Fleetwood Mac album since they last made an album together. He couldn’t or just didn’t adjust to that.

I’m not sold that she had others she could work with by the time Say You Will came around. TISL was a hodge podge of producers, Sheryl Crow being perhaps the most consistent at the end of the day along with John Shanks. The Dallas sessions were entirely scrapped. Seven years passed until she started working with Dave Stewart. It’s also interesting to note that she’s never worked with any of those folks on a large album project since. Dave was minimally involved with 24k Gold? She’s been faithful to Chris Lorde Alge for mixing.

One could argue that’s perhaps the biggest thing holding her back. She’s always had plenty of business people telling her why NOT to record albums and why she should do the greatest hits tours, but she hasn’t surrounded herself with a creative group of people in quite a long time.

[Macfan4life]

Some have short memories around here. Remember when the Mac tried some of Chris's songs on the Unleashed tour. It was Fleetwood Mac and it was a pathetic version of Say You Love Me. Stevie botched the simplest lyrics that she heard for almost 20 years.
Dear Lord, NO.

Here is a devil's advocate position. Lets say on both of her solo stints this summer she never mentions Chris and there are no tributes to anyone. I am fine with that. I dont honestly believe she does not miss Chris. Without Chris's loving demeanor, Stevie may not have had a career. Stevie knows that. But I could see this board lighting up what a witch Stevie is for not singing Christine songs or mentioning her.

When the Mac was on tour in 2018 and Lindsey was in the hospital, I remember this board lit up like a Christmas tree bashing them for not saying something or doing something on stage night after night. I was a silent minority that thought that was a good thing. They literally stabbed him in the back and threw him under the tour bus for ego and big money. I would have been furious if they dared to care about him now. I never said anything on the board until Lindsey's wife came out and said the same thing I said. With her cover, I came out and said it.
She has boxed herself in and is now pressed to put in a break in her show and do an even bigger memorial than Prince or Tom. If she does not do it, she will be vilified which sort of defeats the purpose, no?

[BigAl84]

Still trying to wrap my head around that stretch in logic. I wasn’t aware you had to completely approve of someone to like their music. I would think someone who has certainly been critical of Stevie yet is still a fan would get the concept. I guess people don’t apply their own rules to themselves.

The 1975 album is my favorite. It’s an incredible band effort that was well produced without having excessive extraneous production (car horn notwithstanding). The songs, the voices, and the musicianship spoke for themselves. There are more setlist staples on that album than Tusk, Mirage, or Tango and they did it in just three months.

I’m not saying Lindsey’s Brian Wilson boner didn’t lead to some incredible music, but the excesses and musical fractures it led to was ultimately the band’s undoing as a working entity. For all the “Tusk is a masterpiece” comments, I have no doubt it would chap Lindsey’s ass if he knew people preferred the full band versions of his Tusk songs on the tour rehearsal videos.

I’m laughing about just the thought of the band left to finish Mirage and Tango on their own without Lindsey. I don’t think anyone in the band if you asked them today, would pin it all on Lindsey. There’s a reason BTM and Time sound like tanning salon music.

I’m assuming you’re giving Stevie’s solo career and ego a pass? (As usual)

[BigAl84]

Still trying to wrap my head around that stretch in logic. I wasn’t aware you had to completely approve of someone to like their music. I would think someone who has certainly been critical of Stevie yet is still a fan would get the concept. I guess people don’t apply their own rules to themselves.

The 1975 album is my favorite. It’s an incredible band effort that was well produced without having excessive extraneous production (car horn notwithstanding). The songs, the voices, and the musicianship spoke for themselves. There are more setlist staples on that album than Tusk, Mirage, or Tango and they did it in just three months.

I’m not saying Lindsey’s Brian Wilson boner didn’t lead to some incredible music, but the excesses and musical fractures it led to was ultimately the band’s undoing as a working entity. For all the “Tusk is a masterpiece” comments, I have no doubt it would chap Lindsey’s ass if he knew people preferred the full band versions of his Tusk songs on the tour rehearsal videos.

It would probably chap Stevie’s ass to know most people think her SYW demos sound like hot garbage reheated on a radiator.

[SteveMacD]

I’m laughing about just the thought of the band left to finish Mirage and Tango on their own without Lindsey. I don’t think anyone in the band if you asked them today, would pin it all on Lindsey. There’s a reason BTM and Time sound like tanning salon music.
The flip side, Lindsey gave a lot of filler to. I mean, did “Empire State” or “Family Man” do anything for their respective albums? Did they add anything to the Fleetwood Mac legacy or did they just take up album space?

I’m assuming you’re giving Stevie’s solo career and ego a pass? (As usual)
I’m not a Stevie fan, so there’s that. That being said, I thought she made incredible music with Jimmy. Bella Donna and The Wild Heart hold up well.

I also thought Christine’s 1984 album was great. And, since we’re going there, I really liked John’s album and The Visitor is easily the boldest creative statement any of them made.

[BigAl84]

The flip side, Lindsey gave a lot of filler to. I mean, did “Empire State” or “Family Man” do anything for their respective albums? Did they add anything to the Fleetwood Mac legacy or did they just take up album space?


I’m not a Stevie fan, so there’s that. That being said, I thought she made incredible music with Jimmy. Bella Donna and The Wild Heart hold up well.

I also thought Christine’s 1984 album was great. And, since we’re going there, I really liked John’s album and The Visitor is easily the boldest creative statement any of them made.

So wait...not only is the fracturing of Fleetwood Mac entirely on Lindsey's shoulders, but he's also on the hook to maintain the gold standard of Fleetwood Mac material on the albums?

Regarding Family Man and Empire State....I only need to say one thing. When I See You Again. Anyone with an opinion could say the same thing about Wish You Were Here. That's such a bunk argument to make.

At least the guy could show up for more than 6 weeks. Yeah, he filled out that album while Stevie dried out in rehab.

[BigAl84]

The flip side, Lindsey gave a lot of filler to. I mean, did “Empire State” or “Family Man” do anything for their respective albums? Did they add anything to the Fleetwood Mac legacy or did they just take up album space?


I’m not a Stevie fan, so there’s that. That being said, I thought she made incredible music with Jimmy. Bella Donna and The Wild Heart hold up well.

I also thought Christine’s 1984 album was great. And, since we’re going there, I really liked John’s album and The Visitor is easily the boldest creative statement any of them made.

Not a Stevie fan? You defend her in almost every possible context that she's discussed.

[SteveMacD]

I’m not sold that she had others she could work with by the time Say You Will came around. TISL was a hodge podge of producers, Sheryl Crow being perhaps the most consistent at the end of the day along with John Shanks. The Dallas sessions were entirely scrapped. Seven years passed until she started working with Dave Stewart. It’s also interesting to note that she’s never worked with any of those folks on a large album project since. Dave was minimally involved with 24k Gold? She’s been faithful to Chris Lorde Alge for mixing.

One could argue that’s perhaps the biggest thing holding her back. She’s always had plenty of business people telling her why NOT to record albums and why she should do the greatest hits tours, but she hasn’t surrounded herself with a creative group of people in quite a long time.

My point being that she had other people who could get what she was going for and that Lindsey couldn’t adapt. I’m not disputing that the creative well dried up for her. I’d be one of the people advising her to just do the hits because her new songs sound so samey. Why waste money?

[UnwindedDreams]

OkStill trying to wrap my head around that stretch in logic. I wasn’t aware you had to completely approve of someone to like their music. I would think someone who has certainly been critical of Stevie yet is still a fan would get the concept. I guess people don’t apply their own rules to themselves.

The 1975 album is my favorite. It’s an incredible band effort that was well produced without having excessive extraneous production (car horn notwithstanding). The songs, the voices, and the musicianship spoke for themselves. There are more setlist staples on that album than Tusk, Mirage, or Tango and they did it in just three months.

I’m not saying Lindsey’s Brian Wilson boner didn’t lead to some incredible music, but the excesses and musical fractures it led to was ultimately the band’s undoing as a working entity. For all the “Tusk is a masterpiece” comments, I have no doubt it would chap Lindsey’s ass if he knew people preferred the full band versions of his Tusk songs on the tour rehearsal videos.
It's not like you say in your first paragraph at all. I've brought up Lindsey's beating allegations and his playing to tracks and lip synching.
From what I've read from you, it seemed liked you felt Mick's biggest mistake was hiring Lindsey for FM. And that you thought Rick Vito blows Lindsey out if the water on guitar and that he and Billy should have been the guy singers and guitarist in the band.

I talk abiut Stevie's great songs all the time. I even like Shiw Them the Way at first but now after 2 years, it fall flat to me lyrically, but the music is good.

ETA: you do agree with me that Stevie is the reason the 2018 FM didn't record new songs, right?

[SteveMacD]

Not a Stevie fan? You defend her in almost every possible context that she's discussed.

And yet I’ve only seen her solo once, rarely listen to anything she recorded after 1983, am not a fan of her lead voice (harmonies are great), and I don’t dig the whole witchy pixie dust thing.

I’ve seen Lindsey outside of Fleetwood Mac four times.

My loyalties are with Mick, John, and Christine.

[BigAl84]

My point being that she had other people who could get what she was going for and that Lindsey couldn’t adapt. I’m not disputing that the creative well dried up for her. I’d be one of the people advising her to just do the hits because her new songs sound so samey. Why waste money?

Eh...Stevie only wants to work with people who will not challenge her on anything creatively. Dave Stewart figured out how to navigate her as best he could.

I just find it interesting that even the people she has worked with, it's been in a rather limited capacity and never continued. She was even reluctant to take advice from Jimmy during the Bella Donna sessions. He sort of departed during RAL and never returned. Rupert from OSOTM, same thing. Sheryl Crow & TISL, never worked together since.

[SteveMacD]

From what I've read from you, it seemed liked you felt Mick's biggest mistake was hiring Lindsey for FM. And that you thought Rick Vito blows Lindsey out if the water on guitar and that he and Billy should have been the guy singers and guitarist in the band.
Rick Vito as a lead guitarist does blow Lindsey out of the water. He was the most complete guitarist the band ever had. And, those were the right guys going into a tour in less than 55 days. (That said, even though I’d give the edge to Rick as a singer and guitarist, Todd Sharp might have been the better choice in terms of chemistry. Time would certainly have been a different album.)

However, I’ve also said they weren’t the creative visionaries the band needed. They weren’t going to be the guys to push the envelope.

I never said that hiring Lindsey was a mistake. I have a lot of issues with Lindsey that are about his attitude and sense of entitlement that’s at times as comical as Stevie’s divadom. (“I don’t listen to stuff like Bryan Adams, I seek out things like Kodo.”)

ETA: you do agree with me that Stevie is the reason the 2018 FM didn't record new songs, right?
Yes. Stevie’s songwriting dried up years ago. There’s no incentive for her to make music that will compare unfavorably to her legendary earlier works. She has a solid fanbase that’s content with “Rhiannon” and “Gold Dust Woman,” so why do something that could jeopardize it. ESPECIALLY by doing an album with Lindsey and Christine OR Christine, Neil, and Mike? Does Stevie possibly have anything that could have hung with “Sleeping Around the Corner,” “Red Sun,” “Wreckless Abandon” or “Playing with Fire?” Hell no, she doesn’t.

[bwboy]

When the Mac was on tour in 2018 and Lindsey was in the hospital, I remember this board lit up like a Christmas tree bashing them for not saying something or doing something on stage night after night. I was a silent minority that thought that was a good thing. They literally stabbed him in the back and threw him under the tour bus for ego and big money. I would have been furious if they dared to care about him now. I never said anything on the board until Lindsey's wife came out and said the same thing I said. With her cover, I came out and said it.
She has boxed herself in and is now pressed to put in a break in her show and do an even bigger memorial than Prince or Tom. If she does not do it, she will be vilified which sort of defeats the purpose, no?

One, I think there’s a difference between doing a tribute to someone who died and someone who had surgery.

Two, in the case with Lindsey’s emergency surgery and subsequent recovery, the band was damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Some people would be outraged if the band expressed condolences, while others would be outraged if they didn’t. No-win situation there. I suspect Lindsey appreciated any well wishes, no mater who they were from.

Third, and this isn’t directed solely to you by any means, Macfan4life, but to others who are saying Stevie shouldn’t do a tribute to Christine- Stevie can do whatever she likes. Chances are, the people here saying she shouldn’t do a tribute won’t be at the concerts anyway, right?

I would be thrilled if Lindsey paid tribute to Christine in his next tour.

[SteveMacD]

So wait...not only is the fracturing of Fleetwood Mac entirely on Lindsey's shoulders, but he's also on the hook to maintain the gold standard of Fleetwood Mac material on the albums?
I mean, you have to appreciate the humor of Lindsey demanding more creative control of the recording process, they give it to him, he takes considerably more time tweaking and adding extraneous parts while boxing them out, and then bitches about how they were just partying. Like, what the hell else were they going to do while sitting around for days on end?!? The longest project I was ever involved with in the studio was nine days. The overdubs were brutal. Luckily, there was a lot of alcohol.

Regarding Family Man and Empire State....I only need to say one thing. When I See You Again. Anyone with an opinion could say the same thing about Wish You Were Here. That's such a bunk argument to make.
WYWH is a masterpiece compared to the other schlock you mentioned. I would have loved a live version. At least the piano intro lived on with Silver Springs.

At least the guy could show up for more than 6 weeks. Yeah, he filled out that album while Stevie dried out in rehab.
And, yet, Christine, who also showed up, didn’t have any filler. Even “Mystified” has a charming, clever retro vibe.

And, that’s maybe the perfect snapshot of the crux. The creative visionary said he had 60 songs ready to record and he went with “Family Man” and “You & I, pt. II.”

ETA: And then he disappeared for five years, making fewer public appearances than Punxsutawney Phil.

[HomerMcvie]

How’d that go for him?

A person can only eat so much sh*t in their lifetime.... listen to so many NEVER ENDING, BLATHERING ON stories.

As much as he hated the firing, I'm sure a small part of him was glad to finally have that idiot out of his life. I'd be glad.

[SteveMacD]

A person can only eat so much sh*t in their lifetime.... listen to so many NEVER ENDING, BLATHERING ON stories.

As much as he hated the firing, I'm sure a small part of him was glad to finally have that idiot out of his life. I'd be glad.

But he wasn’t. He’d absolutely kiss the ring if they’d let him back in the band.

Part of me totally expects them to exploit Christine’s passing as a “springboard” to another SYW lineup tour. It’ll be another “profound healing experience” that will “tie up loose ends left dangling after our parting of ways.”

[UnwindedDreams]

But he wasn’t. He’d absolutely kiss the ring if they’d let him back in the band.

Part of me totally expects them to exploit Christine’s passing as a “springboard” to another SYW lineup tour. It’ll be another “profound healing experience” that will “tie up loose ends left dangling after our parting of ways.”

But Steve, look at Stevie playing the Bulls, Maple Leaves, and Knights arenas on her own. Why would she ever connect with Lindsey again if he isn't needed to sell tickets? He doesn't sell out 1,000 seats everywhere.

[HomerMcvie]

But he wasn’t. He’d absolutely kiss the ring if they’d let him back in the band.

Part of me totally expects them to exploit Christine’s passing as a “springboard” to another SYW lineup tour. It’ll be another “profound healing experience” that will “tie up loose ends left dangling after our parting of ways.”
WHICH. IS. PATHETIC.

Where's my Tusk Lindsey?

god I hope they're finished.

[bwboy]

WHICH. IS. PATHETIC.

Where's my Tusk Lindsey?

god I hope they're finished.

Just goes to show the power of forgiveness. If it makes Lindsey feel better to forgive and move on, more power to him. To me, it looks like Lindsey has totally moved on, but might be willing to reunite with the band if the stars aligned. Now that Christine is gone, it may never happen, of course. But Lindsey gotta do what Lindsey gotta do.

[SteveMacD]

Where's my Tusk Lindsey?

Hey, now! Don’t lose hope. If you just keep your faith in cycles, Tusk Lindsey will return, someday.

[David]

Tons of talent. Brilliant musician. It’s his people skills, at least as they relate to Fleetwood Mac, his inflated sense of importance, and how he wasted so much time in his career that are the problem.

I would agree with this post, Mr. Hopkins.

[David]

I’d be shocked if she didn’t do Don’t Stop in her encore nightly on this tour. And it’s a perfect fit for Billy Joel to join in on for those dates.

Even the brief thought of that gives me a sunken feeling. I can hear this performance in my head. So much cringe. The stadium rocking with 50,000 gyrating torsos and all that singing along. Ugh. Big festivals used to be hip, with good drugs and stoners. Now they’re middle-class shameless.

[BigAl84]

I mean, you have to appreciate the humor of Lindsey demanding more creative control of the recording process, they give it to him, he takes considerably more time tweaking and adding extraneous parts while boxing them out, and then bitches about how they were just parting. Like, what the hell else were they going to do while sitting around for days on end?!? The longest project I was ever involved with in the studio was nine days. The overdubs were brutal. Luckily, there was a lot of alcohol.


WYWH is a masterpiece compared to the other schlock you mentioned. I would have loved a live version. At least the piano intro lived on with Silver Springs.


And, yet, Christine, who also showed up, didn’t have any filler. Even “Mystified” has a charming, clever retro vibe.

And, that’s may the perfect snapshot of the crux. The creative visionary said he had 60 songs ready to record and he went with “Family Man” and “You & I, pt. II.”

ETA: And then he disappeared for five years, making fewer public appearances than Punxsutawney Phil.

It's laughable how you chime in with some perceived authority to declare which of Lindsey's songs are "filler", while giving the rest of the band a free pass...including Stevie..AGAIN.

[jmn3]

Even the brief thought of that gives me a sunken feeling. I can hear this performance in my head. So much cringe. The stadium rocking with 50,000 gyrating torsos and all that singing along. Ugh. Big festivals used to be hip, with good drugs and stoners. Now they’re middle-class shameless.

Aww come on now - if your life is good for you, just think what tomorrow may do!

[jmn3]

. M

And, yet, Christine, who also showed up, didn’t have any filler. Even “Mystified” has a charming, clever retro vibe.

It’s crap. Along with Only Over You. Let’s not pretend any of the three Rumours era writers didn’t have their share of filler.

[Macfan4life]

One, I think there’s a difference between doing a tribute to someone who died and someone who had surgery.

Two, in the case with Lindsey’s emergency surgery and subsequent recovery, the band was damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Some people would be outraged if the band expressed condolences, while others would be outraged if they didn’t. No-win situation there. I suspect Lindsey appreciated any well wishes, no mater who they were from.

Third, and this isn’t directed solely to you by any means, Macfan4life, but to others who are saying Stevie shouldn’t do a tribute to Christine- Stevie can do whatever she likes. Chances are, the people here saying she shouldn’t do a tribute won’t be at the concerts anyway, right?

I would be thrilled if Lindsey paid tribute to Christine in his next tour.
One. There is no difference in that its words from the stage about someone as an acknowledgement of death or hospitalization.

Two. You are correct it is damn if you do, damn if you dong.

Third, You are correct. I have even said it, Stevie is free to do what she wants to do. I am just saying personally I thought her concert stopping tributes to Prince and Tom were not needed. I dont need her to warble through one of their songs, tell stories about them to convince everyone that she cares. I already said she boxed herself in with other show stopping tributes that if she does not do one bigger, she will be flamed for not caring which is ridiculous.
Lastly, Lindsey shows tributes to Christine in everything he does. She will always be with him as he plays. I personally dont need him to say it to know he knows it and feels it. And if he never said a word, I still know he cares. In this social media age people are so hung up on showing concern and emotions over and over because they get flamed or accused they dont care. I am not that simplistic to think that is Stevie or Lindsey did a concert and Christine never came up it would mean they never cared for her.

[jbrownsjr]

WYWH is a masterpiece compared to the other schlock you mentioned. I would have loved a live version.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTKYvapgMDs

[SteveMacD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTKYvapgMDs

Yeah, I hadn’t forgotten. I was thinking more about a full-band arrangement.

[jbrownsjr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTKYvapgMDs

This moves me in beautiful ways!

[SteveMacD]

It’s crap. Along with Only Over You. Let’s not pretend any of the three Rumours era writers didn’t have their share of filler.

Christine had the least by far of the three.

[BombaySapphire3]

But he wasn’t. He’d absolutely kiss the ring if they’d let him back in the band.

Part of me totally expects them to exploit Christine’s passing as a “springboard” to another SYW lineup tour. It’ll be another “profound healing experience” that will “tie up loose ends left dangling after our parting of ways.”

As long as Mick draws breath this is a real possiblity. The old shyster is probably running out of $$ even now .His pattern for the last 40 years has been to squander fortunes and then milk the Fleetwood Mac teat to get back on his feet. Why would anything change now? The only wild card to prevent it from happening is Stevie's stated refusal to ever share a stage with Lindsey again. Hopefully she is resolute in her declaration.

[SteveMacD]

It's laughable how you chime in with some perceived authority to declare which of Lindsey's songs are "filler", while giving the rest of the band a free pass...including Stevie..AGAIN.
It’s laughable that you think anyone would seek out “Family Man” and “You and I, pt. II” and think “yeah, THAT’S what I’m talking about!” Is that the hill you really want to die on?

Stevie doesn’t claim to be a creative visionary and has said something to the effect that she let the band down. She knows her Tango songs sucked and that everyone else does, too. I’m not giving her a pass. We’ve beaten that horse to death over twenty years ago.

Incidentally, between the Inauguration and In the Meantime threads revisiting the 90-95 years, I remember being giddy that Stevie was out and Bekka was in (having become a big fan in 1992 with the Zoo).

[BigAl84]

It’s laughable that you think anyone would seek out “Family Man” and “You and I, pt. II” and think “yeah, THAT’S what I’m talking about!” Is that the hill you really want to die on?

Stevie doesn’t claim to be a creative visionary and has said something to the effect that she let the band down. She knows her Tango songs sucked and that everyone else does, too. I’m not giving her a pass. We’ve beaten that horse to death over twenty years ago.

Incidentally, between the Inauguration and In the Meantime threads revisiting the 90-95 years, I remember being giddy that Stevie was out and Bekka was in (having become a big fan in 1992 with the Zoo).

What are you talking about!? I never called out Family Man or You and I as my hill to die on. I never even mentioned those songs. I only mentioned When I See You Again as a song I think everyone here agrees, never quite met it's full potential. One could argue it's one of the larger weak spots on the album. That said, I'd rather listen to Family Man.

My entire point was, you have an opinion just like everyone else. You can think whatever song you want is "filler" but it certainly isn't a fact the way you present it to be.

I might think everything between Behind The Mask and Time sounds like generic Wilson Phillips FM radio, but I'm not out here declaring it's "filler" and acting like everyone else doesn't have a clue.

[bwboy]

It’s crap. Along with Only Over You. Let’s not pretend any of the three Rumours era writers didn’t have their share of filler.

Aw, I like Mystified. It’s probably the weakest of her songs from the 1987-1993 period, but I still enjoy it. It’s pretty and pleasant. And Stevie sounds so good singing backup. Oh wait, she’s not on this song? Oh well, it’s still a pretty song. And SO much better than a when I See You Again or Family Man, two songs I actively dislike. I mean, they are so annoying to me. Mystified is just… there.

Fine, I’ll say it- I’m Mystified how anyone could like Family Man or WiSYA more than Mystified!

[SteveMacD]

What are you talking about!? I never called out Family Man or You and I as my hill to die on. I never even mentioned those songs. I only mentioned When I See You Again as a song I think everyone here agrees, never quite met it's full potential. One could argue it's one of the larger weak spots on the album. That said, I'd rather listen to Family Man.

My entire point was, you have an opinion just like everyone else. You can think whatever song you want is "filler" but it certainly isn't a fact the way you present it to be.

I might think everything between Behind The Mask and Time sounds like generic Wilson Phillips FM radio, but I'm not out here declaring it's "filler" and acting like everyone else doesn't have a clue.

You did say the others couldn’t have finished Mirage or Tango without him. I was just looking at his contributions to those albums.

[bwboy]

I mean, you have to appreciate the humor of Lindsey demanding more creative control of the recording process, they give it to him, he takes considerably more time tweaking and adding extraneous parts while boxing them out, and then bitches about how they were just partying. Like, what the hell else were they going to do while sitting around for days on end?!? The longest project I was ever involved with in the studio was nine days. The overdubs were brutal. Luckily, there was a lot of alcohol.


WYWH is a masterpiece compared to the other schlock you mentioned. I would have loved a live version. At least the piano intro lived on with Silver Springs.


And, yet, Christine, who also showed up, didn’t have any filler. Even “Mystified” has a charming, clever retro vibe.

And, that’s maybe the perfect snapshot of the crux. The creative visionary said he had 60 songs ready to record and he went with “Family Man” and “You & I, pt. II.”

ETA: And then he disappeared for five years, making fewer public appearances than Punxsutawney Phil.

I can only imagine the hatred Lindsey would have endured back in 1987 when he left FM, not to mention the accusations of being dried up because of the lack of material being released afterward. Maybe he just needed a break, but I suspect others wouldn’t have been so kind.

Tango is usually hailed as being good because of Lindsey’s work and production, to which I say, then what about When I See You Again and Family Man? Call Big Love, Little Lies, Everywhere, Seven Wonders, and Isn’t It Midnight excellent (which I do) but then throw in WISYA, FM, and maybe even Welcome to the Room (which I think usually gets a pass because once we learned it was about her stint in rehab, it kind of made sense), and Lindsey should get as much blame as he gets credit.

Something I have always wondered about, ever since I read someone’s firsthand account of being at the MTV taping of the Dance, was how the intro to Wish You Were Here is pretty much lifted from Silver Springs. I remember the guy wrote he and his friend thought they were going to perform WYWH when they started the opening riff and were shocked when Stevie started singing SS. I mean, was it unintentional on Christine’s part, or a subconscious swipe? Was Christine inspired by SS? I actually think it’s cool, that they sound so much alike at first, just wondering how that might have came to be.

[Macfan4life]

Christine had the least by far of the three.
Exactly. She had NO filler IMHO.
Only Over You and Wish You Were Here are great songs!

[SteveMacD]

Exactly. She had NO filler IMHO.
Only Over You and Wish You Were Here are great songs!

The only embarrassing song she did was “Ricky,” but why be judgy about a b-side? (And, it’s still better than the songs Stevie wrote for TITN.)

[Macfan4life]

The only embarrassing song she did was “Ricky,” but why be judgy about a b-side? (And, it’s still better than the songs Stevie wrote for TITN.)
If Ricky and One More Lonely Night are your worst songs, she brought her A game every time!
Seriously. She had no bad songs. They all had meaning, a good melody, great lyrics and full of love.

[BigAl84]

I can only imagine the hatred Lindsey would have endured back in 1987 when he left FM, not to mention the accusations of being dried up because of the lack of material being released afterward. Maybe he just needed a break, but I suspect others wouldn’t have been so kind.

Tango is usually hailed as being good because of Lindsey’s work and production, to which I say, then what about When I See You Again and Family Man? Call Big Love, Little Lies, Everywhere, Seven Wonders, and Isn’t It Midnight excellent (which I do) but then throw in WISYA, FM, and maybe even Welcome to the Room (which I think usually gets a pass because once we learned it was about her stint in rehab, it kind of made sense), and Lindsey should get as much blame as he gets credit.

Something I have always wondered about, ever since I read someone’s firsthand account of being at the MTV taping of the Dance, was how the intro to Wish You Were Here is pretty much lifted from Silver Springs. I remember the guy wrote he and his friend thought they were going to perform WYWH when they started the opening riff and were shocked when Stevie started singing SS. I mean, was it unintentional on Christine’s part, or a subconscious swipe? Was Christine inspired by SS? I actually think it’s cool, that they sound so much alike at first, just wondering how that might have came to be.

Ya’ll need to make up your mind. One minute we’re bashing Lindsey for being demanding in the studio and now we’re pointing the finger because he couldn’t save WISYA. Oh how could I forget, he’s also responsible for the band fracturing. Hmm k.

[BigAl84]

Lindsey did step away for several years to make OOTC. Stevie did the same and emerged with Street Angel!

[bwboy]

Ya’ll need to make up your mind. One minute we’re bashing Lindsey for being demanding in the studio and now we’re pointing the finger because he couldn’t save WISYA. Oh how could I forget, he’s also responsible for the band fracturing. Hmm k.

I don’t blame Lindsey for being demanding. I do blame him for not letting the band play on all of his songs on Tusk and Tango, though. Who else would I blame? But I’m not mad about it and besides, they let him do it. Not sure what you mean about Lindsey fracturing the band, but he did quit in 1987, so that would certainly count as fracturing the band to me.

[UnwindedDreams]

Ya’ll need to make up your mind. One minute we’re bashing Lindsey for being demanding in the studio and now we’re pointing the finger because he couldn’t save WISYA. Oh how could I forget, he’s also responsible for the band fracturing. Hmm k.
I love When I See You Again. When I hear The Second Time, I feel so depressed!

[SteveMacD]

Lindsey did step away for several years to make OOTC. Stevie did the same and emerged with Street Angel!
LOL, Stevie did a compilation with new songs and a 24 show tour between leaving Fleetwood Mac and Street Angel, with a stint in rehab for good measure. She was mostly out of the public eye for two years.

[jbrownsjr]

She was mostly out of the public eye for two years.

Sometimes it's a bitch!

[BigAl84]

LOL, Stevie did a compilation with new songs and a 24 show tour between leaving Fleetwood Mac and Street Angel, with a stint in rehab for good measure. She was mostly out of the public eye for two years.

HAHA I almost mentioned Timespace and her two token new songs because I knew you would mention those.

Yes, let's take a minute to recognize Desert Angel and SIAB. Huge career boosts. Huge. They didn't stop her from playing the State Fair circuit!

Yes..blah blah blah...Lindsey small venues '93 blah blah blah...Stevie more seats....blah blah blah....commercial (yet cringe worthy now) blah blah blah

Big Bad Lindsey, Stevie the Queen blah blah blah

[BigAl84]

I don’t blame Lindsey for being demanding. I do blame him for not letting the band play on all of his songs on Tusk and Tango, though. Who else would I blame? But I’m not mad about it and besides, they let him do it. Not sure what you mean about Lindsey fracturing the band, but he did quit in 1987, so that would certainly count as fracturing the band to me.

Well maybe we should share some blame with the substance abuse happening at the time too. Mick's passed out in a trailer in Lindsey's driveway...but let's blame Lindsey.

[SteveMacD]

HAHA I almost mentioned Timespace and her two token new songs because I knew you would mention those.

Yes, let's take a minute to recognize Desert Angel and SIAB. Huge career boosts. Huge. They didn't stop her from playing the State Fair circuit!

Yes..blah blah blah...Lindsey small venues '93 blah blah blah...Stevie more seats....blah blah blah....commercial (yet cringe worthy now) blah blah blah

Big Bad Lindsey, Stevie the Queen blah blah blah

At least she was doing something for the fans she had. I certainly didn’t dig it, but even you have to acknowledge there’s a big difference in taking a couple of years off the road compared to eleven years.

Again, I was giddy she left Fleetwood Mac in 1991.

[BigAl84]

At least she was doing something for the fans she had. I certainly didn’t dig it, but even you have to acknowledge there’s a big difference in taking a couple of years off the road compared to eleven years.

Again, I was giddy she left Fleetwood Mac in 1991.

87-93 is 6 years?

Well, I'm a quality over quantity guy. Stevie probably should have taken herself off the road for a few years to get well.

It's interesting to think that 90's rehab Stevie is a lot like current day Stevie. One-off songs, greatest hits tours and feuding with band members!

[aleuzzi]

So, like, no—Stevie shouldn’t sing “Everywhere” on her tour.

[bwboy]

Well maybe we should share some blame with the substance abuse happening at the time too. Mick's passed out in a trailer in Lindsey's driveway...but let's blame Lindsey.

I didn’t mean to single Lindsey out- I think there’s plenty of blame all the way around, don’t you?

[HomerMcvie]

So, like, no—Stevie shouldn’t sing “Everywhere” on her tour.

Hey, I'M AN AUTHORITY ON EVERYTHING, and $he shouldn't sing Everywhere!!!

I HAVE SPOKEN!



:lol:

[BigAl84]

I didn’t mean to single Lindsey out- I think there’s plenty of blame all the way around, don’t you?

I do, however in '87 TITN really only got finished because of Lindsey, Christine, Richard and the other engineer who helped (can't recall his name, he did an interview a few years ago) Distracted would be an understatement to describe Mick and Stevie's participation in getting that album over the finish line. The band has since given similar credit to Lindsey.

Was Lindsey demanding, insistent, the list goes on...absolutely. However, he got the job done and a hit record was delivered to Warner Bros.

Ken C. has even mentioned in recent years how Mirage was also a very disjointed process. Diva behavior, people not wanting to be at the sessions, or too much whatever to participate in a meaningful way. We don't have quite as much info about the making of Mirage as we do about Tango.

[SteveMacD]

87-93 is 6 years?
No, 1982-93 is eleven years. Lindsey hadn’t toured in eleven years.

[UnwindedDreams]

Rick Vito as a lead guitarist does blow Lindsey out of the water. He was the most complete guitarist the band ever had. And, those were the right guys going into a tour in less than 55 days. (That said, even though I’d give the edge to Rick as a singer and guitarist, Todd Sharp might have been the better choice in terms of chemistry. Time would certainly have been a different album.)

Rick is a marvelous artist. I wonder why RollingStone never ranks him in their 100 Guitarist Lists. Could it be because he's a Trump supporter?

[Macfan4life]

Hey, I'M AN AUTHORITY ON EVERYTHING, and $he shouldn't sing Everywhere!!!

I HAVE SPOKEN!



:lol:
My opinion is the only one around here that counts.

NO. She should not "sing" Everywhere

[jbrownsjr]

my opinion is the only one around here that counts.

No. She should not "sing" everywhere

i wanna be with you!!!!

[bwboy]

Hey, I'M AN AUTHORITY ON EVERYTHING, and $he shouldn't sing Everywhere!!!

I HAVE SPOKEN!



:lol:

I really think Stevie should sing Think About Me as a tribute.

*snort snort* :blob1::blob2::eek:

[SteveMacD]

Stevie should sing WHY.

[HomerMcvie]

My opinion is the only one around here that counts.

NO. She should not "sing" Everywhere

We're all quite aware that you see yourself as an authority.

[HomerMcvie]

I really think Stevie should sing Think About Me as a tribute.

*snort snort* :blob1::blob2::eek:

$he should do Think About IT.

I think $he gave up doing blow.

But if you're holding, I'll give you my address.

[jmn3]

No, 1982-93 is eleven years. Lindsey hadn’t toured in eleven years.

And Christine took 17 years off. Neither were exactly the best career moves.

Old Stephanie may have been well served to take several of the same years off the road that Lindsey did.

[jmn3]

Rick is a marvelous artist. I wonder why RollingStone never ranks him in their 100 Guitarist Lists. Could it be because he's a Trump supporter?

It’s probably more like if you asked 100 random rock fans about Rick Vito, at least half, if not substantially more, would say they never heard of him. I don’t think the former guy has absolutely anything to do with the exclusion.

[jmn3]

Stevie should sing WHY.

Her whole set should just be Christine/Tom/Prince covers. Imagine Why, 1999, I Need to Know, Everywhere, Purple Rain, Free Fallin’ and Don’t Stop to close it out. It would be amazing!

Fill in the encore with Show Them the Way and For What It’s Worth.

[BombaySapphire3]

Her whole set should just be Christine/Tom/Prince covers. Imagine Why, 1999, I Need to Know, Everywhere, Purple Rain, Free Fallin’ and Don’t Stop to close it out. It would be amazing!

Fill in the encore with Show Them the Way and For What It’s Worth.

Well Show Them the Way is not a cover...not sure who else would want to claim it:lol: and Prince did offer her Purple Rain but she turned him down.:rolleyes:

[bwboy]

Her whole set should just be Christine/Tom/Prince covers. Imagine Why, 1999, I Need to Know, Everywhere, Purple Rain, Free Fallin’ and Don’t Stop to close it out. It would be amazing!

Fill in the encore with Show Them the Way and For What It’s Worth.

How could you leave off When Doves Cry? :]:]

[jbrownsjr]

She should just stop singing. :(

[jmn3]

Well Show Them the Way is not a cover...not sure who else would want to claim it:lol: and Prince did offer her Purple Rain but she turned him down.:rolleyes:

She had to have ONE original in her set. And that one she could haphazardly tie into For What It’s Worth with all the 60’s references. MLK, the Kennedy’s, the Persian carpets.

[jmn3]

How could you leave off When Doves Cry? :]:]

I would pay $500 a seat to watch that to be honest

[BombaySapphire3]

She should just stop singing. :(

Well she kind of has...not exactly sure what I would call what she does on stage now.:shrug:

[jmn3]

Well she kind of has...not exactly sure what I would call what she does on stage now.:shrug:

Ironically, you could say that about Bob Dylan too!

[Macfan4life]

We're all quite aware that you see yourself as an authority.
Never have I been a blue calm sea
I have always
been
a storm

[HomerMcvie]

Never have I been a blue calm sea
I have always
been
a storm

I know a 55 gal drum of caca when i smell it.

Sh*t Storm, perhaps.

[aleuzzi]

Allow me some space to point out that there are numerous new givers of “Everywhere” on YouTube. Since the song became the anthem of hybrid cars, dozens of singers and bands have posted their versions of the song, many of them astonishingly good. THAT, my friends, is a real tribute to Christine.

[jbrownsjr]

Allow me some space to point out that there are numerous new givers of “Everywhere” on YouTube. Since the song became the anthem of hybrid cars, dozens of singers and bands have posted their versions of the song, many of them astonishingly good. THAT, my friends, is a real tribute to Christine.

Yea, but Prince... she was best friends with Prince....

[SteveMacD]

Yea, but Prince... she was best friends with Prince....

But did Prince ever send her a birthday cake? Because he sent Susanna Hoffs a birthday cake.

[aleuzzi]

Here are some of those “Everywhere” covers—they range from carbon copy to dramatic reinterpretations



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gVOvJfR74u0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hNpnksX9_gg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pOL0Ke_WlMI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3LTiOBf0NgU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BXWS4bS35ok

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9LAgMjvR0

[jbrownsjr]

But did Prince ever send her a birthday cake? Because he sent Susanna Hoffs a birthday cake.

Did Robin roll in her grave when Stevie called Christine her best friend in the whole world? :lol: That is my question.

[sue]

I think Stevie should sing, Brown Eyes..
One of my favourite Christine songs.
Very atmospheric.
Nice and easy for her to sing with backing singers, doing most of the work for her.

[The Catdancer]

Here are some of those “Everywhere” covers—they range from carbon copy to dramatic reinterpretations



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gVOvJfR74u0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hNpnksX9_gg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pOL0Ke_WlMI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3LTiOBf0NgU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BXWS4bS35ok

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9LAgMjvR0

And Chaka Kahn did a cover of Everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcDOZxgkrS8

[David]

Hartford, at the 1:50 mark

https://youtu.be/f-hIvLLPiPs

Oh my goodness. That should have happened every night. That speech of Stevie’s was Just. Too. Long.

Of course, if the other members had been smarter, they would have used reverse psychology. Right before a big number, with Stevie waiting to step up to her mic, one of them should have started telling a never-ending story about something — anything — from the Fleetwood Mac annals and just droned on forever with a serious face and done that every night until Stevie finally said, “I’ll shut up if you shut up.”

Another approach: After her long, boring speech, play her song at double speed whilst glancing at your watch.

Fleetwood Mac concerts were always best when they were the Battle of the Passive-Aggressives.

[jmn3]

Oh my goodness. That should have happened every night. That speech of Stevie’s was Just. Too. Long.

Of course, if the other members had been smarter, they would have used reverse psychology. Right before a big number, with Stevie waiting to step up to her mic, one of them should have started telling a never-ending story about something — anything — from the Fleetwood Mac annals and just droned on forever with a serious face and done that every night until Stevie finally said, “I’ll shut up if you shut up.”

Another approach: After her long, boring speech, play her song at double speed whilst glancing at your watch.

Fleetwood Mac concerts were always best when they were the Battle of the Passive-Aggressives.

Passive aggressive pettiness is always the best revenge! Lindsey could’ve just recycled the cycles story and enhanced it to talk about the old AND the new cycles and how he has faith in them.

I don’t think they could speed us the songs anymore by that point. Physically not thinking most of them could handle anything more than a plodding dirge.

[Macfan4life]

I think Stevie should sing, Brown Eyes..
One of my favourite Christine songs.
Very atmospheric.
Nice and easy for her to sing with backing singers, doing most of the work for her.
Oh Daddy ...

[Street_Dreamer]

When You Say.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

Again, all she has to do is step into the velvet of the morning, and let herself lay back in her dreams. :nod:

jbrownsir, I agree, the lyrics, music and her voice in 'Think About It' (Before You Go), were written to Christine, and say everything about her friendship with Christine at that time.

I believe Stevie respects Christine too much to try to cover any of her songs. She doesn't need to, anyway, because 'Think About It', is her dedication to Christine.:xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

jbrownsir, I agree, the lyrics, music and her voice in 'Think About It' (Before You Go), were written to Christine, and say everything about her friendship with Christine at that time.

I believe Stevie respects Christine too much to try to cover any of her songs. She doesn't need to, anyway, because 'Think About It', is her dedication to Christine.:xoxo:
Not to mention that her back up orchestra would have to sing all the actual notes that Christine sang.

[UnwindedDreams]

jbrownsir, I agree, the lyrics, music and her voice in 'Think About It' (Before You Go), were written to Christine, and say everything about her friendship with Christine at that time.

I believe Stevie respects Christine too much to try to cover any of her songs. She doesn't need to, anyway, because 'Think About It', is her dedication to Christine.:xoxo:
I thought she would have dug that one out for her 2016 Tour. It would be incredible if she brought it out this year.

As an aside, did you ever hear that a singer named Rusty Wier released Think About It in 1977? I'm not sure if the year he released it is true, but this link says Roy Bittan co-wrote it with Stevie.

https://secondhandsongs.com/performance/760037

[aleuzzi]

When You Say.

Best comment in the thread. Can you imagine Stevie singing this? I can. It would be — wow.

[aleuzzi]

And Chaka Kahn did a cover of Everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcDOZxgkrS8

Thank you! I appreciate this :)

[SteveMacD]

Best comment in the thread. Can you imagine Stevie singing this? I can. It would be — wow.

Of all the songs Stevie could sing, that’s certainly one of them.

[jbrownsjr]

She would understand the "la la's." In When You Say. :laugh:

[Macfan4life]

I'd Rather Go Blind

[SteveMacD]

I'd Rather Go Blind

I’d Rather Go Deaf.

[Macfan4life]

I’d Rather Go Deaf.
You'll Never Make Me Cry/Beautiful Child medley

[The Catdancer]

Thank you! I appreciate this :)

You're welcome :)

[jbrownsjr]

She sings Thoughts on a Grey Day.

[WalkAThinLine.]

She sings Thoughts on a Grey Day.
YES. She can introduce it as her favorite song from Bare Trees.

[Macfan4life]

Honey Hi
Hold Me....mash up

[HomerMcvie]

Thoughts on a Grey Day?

Finally, a song in her singing range!



*the quote function is f*cked up, at least on my phone. I've tried to quote jbrowns a dozen times, and it quotes someone else*

[jbrownsjr]

YES. She can introduce it as her favorite song from Bare Trees.

It's always been her favorite album.

[aleuzzi]

It's always been her favorite album.

Landslide is about Mrs. Scarrott. She realizes that now.

[vivfox]

Not to go off topic here...I'm still trying to comprehend the situation. You've got Chris and John sitting on an amp together, having full on conversations with each other because somebody in the band insists on telling a 10+ minute story before a song starts. Lindsey is standing in the dark waiting or interacting with fans in the front. Literally the entire band is so over it, almost none of them have any interest in attempting to be polite. As the band member holding court for ten minutes you would think that they would be able to read the room and figure out nobody is enjoying this. Then you have the gall to get irritated (at times) if everyone on stage isn't intently listening to your story time when it's show #53 of a tour. It's mind boggling.

Your scenario is what you see from the audience but what was really going on was Chris and John sitting on the amp for ten minutes discussing how their finances would be so much less without Stevie in the band. You saw Lindsey conversing at the edge of the stage explaining to elle why he can't sing Walk A Thin Line and Mick thinking of how lucky he is that he's not performing to the crowd at his Maui restaurant. So all 4 of those people should have been counting their lucky stars that Stevie was still interested in doing another FM tour. I loved her stories and so did thousands of others. Our precious Christine is gone and John is most likely happily retired but Lindsey and Mick are going to continue to wish FM was still a happening touring band and I'd bet my bottom dollar they would both take that and 30 minute Stevie speeches if they could, just one more time collect that giant paycheck and perform in front of 20K people every night, over & over.

[HomerMcvie]

I'd say that less than 5% of the audience wants to hear her long, boring stories. Not because it's her... no one wants to hear long drawn out blathering stories. They're there for the music. She needs to get over her own legend. STFU, Stevie.

[Macfan4life]

It's always been her favorite album.
But she always thought Santana did it first.

[jbrownsjr]

But she always thought Santana did it first.

No, she thought it was a Santana album. Even though she bought all the Fleetwood Mac records and listened to them and told Lindsey we could add something to this band.

[jbrownsjr]

I'd say that less than 5% of the audience wants to hear her long, boring stories. Not because it's her... no one wants to hear long drawn out blathering stories. They're there for the music. She needs to get over her own legend. STFU, Stevie.

My aunt went on that tour and said, "God that was a bit much." She's a big time goathead.

[HomerMcvie]

No, she thought it was a Santana album. Even though she bought all the Fleetwood Mac records and listened to them and told Lindsey we could add something to this band.

$he said $he listened to them back to front!!!

Once again, LIAR.

[jbrownsjr]

$he said $he listened to them back to front!!!

Once again, LIAR.

She's honestly hilarious with the "stories" she tells. It's always always always to elevate her standing in anything related to FM.

[aleuzzi]

$he said $he listened to them back to front!!!

Once again, LIAR.

And, as she tells it, she used what little $ she had and BOUGHT all the albums, whereas Mick says he gave her a set of them.

[SteveMacD]

My aunt went on that tour and said, "God that was a bit much." She's a big time goathead.

The last time I saw Fleetwood Mac with my mom, who was a stroke survivor, in 2014, she said she really loved Christine, thought Lindsey was great (though not as good as Richard Thompson, who we’d seen the night before), but Stevie was “all blah blah blah.” Then she started going off on how bad Stevie was and wondered why they were keeping her in the band. She had zero filter and was kind of loud. I quietly tried explaining the equation to her, but mostly wanted her to be a little quiet until we got to the car, since there were a lot of chiffonheads around us. It was hilarious!

However, the massive grin she had seeing Christine on stage was awesome. Christine was only a year younger. I think seeing someone her age who was vibrant and still kicking ass was profound for her.

[jbrownsjr]

The last time I saw Fleetwood Mac with my mom, who was a stroke survivor, in 2014, she said she really loved Christine, thought Lindsey was great (though not as good as Richard Thompson, who we’d seen the night before), but Stevie was “all blah blah blah.” Then she started going off on how bad Stevie was and wondered why they were keeping her in the band. She had zero filter and was kind of loud. I quietly tried explaining the equation to her, but mostly wanted her to be a little quiet until we got to the car, since there were a lot of chiffonheads around us. It was hilarious!

However, the massive grin she had seeing Christine on stage was awesome. Christine was only a year younger. I think seeing someone her age who was vibrant and still kicking ass was profound for her.

I was so proud of Christine. Everything she did from BuckVie to FMAC tours, Classic shows. Pure professional and class vs crass!

People come to hear music. The banter between the members is a lot fun, but jeez.

[BigAl84]

$he said $he listened to them back to front!!!

Once again, LIAR.

Has anyone ever done the math on how much money it was to buy the FM catalog in '74. I'll use 2018 dollars since inflation is a little crazy right now...a $4.99 album (which was a common price for an LP back then) in 1974 is the equivalent to $25.42 in 2018 dollars. Even if she got them on sale for $3.99, thats $20 and change a pop.

That was a lot of money for a waitress. I'm guessing she may have went to a record store that still had listening booths and did her homework there.

Edit: we're looking at upwards of $180-200.00 in '74 dollars / 1k-ish in 2018

[SteveMacD]

Has anyone ever done the math on how much money it was to buy the FM catalog in '74. I'll use 2018 dollars since inflation is a little crazy right now...a $4.99 album (which was a common price for an LP back then) in 1974 is the equivalent to $25.42 in 2018 dollars. Even if she got them on sale for $3.99, thats $20 and change a pop.

That was a lot of money for a waitress. I'm guessing she may have went to a record store that still had listening booths and did her homework there.

Edit: we're looking at upwards of $180-200.00 in '74 dollars / 1k-ish in 2018

She probably bought Kiln House through HAHTF, since Richard and Lindsey already had TPO.

[jbrownsjr]

She probably bought Kiln House through HAHTF, since Richard and Lindsey already had TPO.

Btw, Bengals were sort of robbed. I felt like Mahomes stopped then flopped.
Just a horrible way to give someone a win. (refs)

[bwboy]

Stevie definitely could have been lying about buying the albums- or maybe Mick gave them to her.

Stevie definitely could have been lying about listening to them in the first place- or maybe she forgot that Black Magic Woman was a song she heard on the album.

I appreciate learning how much it would have cost her to buy those albums back in 1974. That is commitment. I don’t know or care one way or the other, but it does seem like a couple of people have a vested interest in getting to the bottom of this mystery. I tend to think that after 50 years, her memory is cloudy. If she lied about listening to the albums, I guess I just can’t get worked up about it. This isn’t a criticism at all. I’m truly amazed at how fans can quote dates and interviews and events- that’s awesome. A couple of you folks are incredible at that, and I appreciate it.

Here’s a mystery I really wish someone could solve once and for all- is Stevie really on Everywhere and Heart of Stone? Some people swear up and down she’s on one or both songs, while others say she isn’t. I wish we could get Mick, Lindsey, and Billy to do a fan Q&A so we could get the answers, along with dozens of others.

[UnwindedDreams]

I tend to think that after 50 years, her memory is cloudy.
I don't think it's the 50 years. I think Stevie has the worst memory of the Fleetwood Mac members. I thought Chris' was likely the best. I think the drug abuse, and the Klonopin really did damage to Stevie's memory.

[SteveMacD]

Btw, Bengals were sort of robbed. I felt like Mahomes stopped then flopped.
Just a horrible way to give someone a win. (refs)

They got jobbed, but also had some really stupid penalties.

[Macfan4life]

Stevie definitely could have been lying about buying the albums- or maybe Mick gave them to her.

Stevie definitely could have been lying about listening to them in the first place- or maybe she forgot that Black Magic Woman was a song she heard on the album.

I appreciate learning how much it would have cost her to buy those albums back in 1974. That is commitment. I don’t know or care one way or the other, but it does seem like a couple of people have a vested interest in getting to the bottom of this mystery. I tend to think that after 50 years, her memory is cloudy. If she lied about listening to the albums, I guess I just can’t get worked up about it. This isn’t a criticism at all. I’m truly amazed at how fans can quote dates and interviews and events- that’s awesome. A couple of you folks are incredible at that, and I appreciate it.

Here’s a mystery I really wish someone could solve once and for all- is Stevie really on Everywhere and Heart of Stone? Some people swear up and down she’s on one or both songs, while others say she isn’t. I wish we could get Mick, Lindsey, and Billy to do a fan Q&A so we could get the answers, along with dozens of others.
It just my hunch but I bet she did not buy ALL the albums back to the 1960s. I do imagine she was curious who they were and bought several of the most recent ones up to 1974. She would not have found Black Magic Woman on those. I think anyone would want to know how a band sounded before joining. So I think she over embellished with the word "all."
I personally dont hear Stevie on Everywhere. But like many when the album came out just assumed she was there especially after Mick's book. However, I always used to think it was Stevie on Family Man and then many years I heard it wasn't. I listened carefully and could hear Lindsey I swear. But then that 1987 Lindsey interview was just posted before leaving FM and he mentioned that Stevie was added to Family Man. So its probably her. IMHO if she was on Everywhere her voice would be more profound and noticeable.

BTW
Here is her Black Magic Woman story.
Its weird because she claims she thought it was Santana who wrote the song. That is what everyone believes so when she heard it on the radio she would be no different. HOWEVER when she joined Fleetwood Mac, I am shocked she never learned their history to know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iudiixaHILI

[Penguin Emeritus]

I don't think it's the 50 years. I think Stevie has the worst memory of the Fleetwood Mac members. I thought Chris' was likely the best. I think the drug abuse, and the Klonopin really did damage to Stevie's memory.


yes, one has to wonder how much drug and alcohol abuse affected what they remember.

i think all of them have had some lapses in memory over the years...esp as they got older...stevie seems to frequently embellish her memories to make them even more dramatic or sweet.

mick generally seems to have a decent recall of facts, esp in the early days with peter green.

lindsey seems to recall a few things clearly and then repeats his lines in interviews like he's been reading a script for the last 30 years.

john's memory was never great, as he would probably freely admit to. hearing him on the BBC songbird thing say he asked chris out to dinner a couple hours after seeing her at the windsor jazz festival made me cringe and yell at my screen. hearing him say he never realized Don't Stop was about him, even after it was pointed out to him about 100 times over the years, even by chris herself, is oddly frustrating. she thought it was because he's 'been fighting a battle with alcohol for most of his life.'

in one of her last interviews, I scolded chris through the screen when she said john proposed to her shortly after coming back from Europe. umm, no...that would be shortly after he came back from America.

but i guess since they don't obsess and ruminate over details as we crazy fans tend to do, it's easier for them to get fuzzy on details that happened like 50 years ago.

--Lis

[Karlie]

in one of her last interviews, I scolded chris through the screen when she said john proposed to her shortly after coming back from Europe. umm, no...that would be shortly after he came back from America.

but i guess since they don't obsess and ruminate over details as we crazy fans tend to do, it's easier for them to get fuzzy on details that happened like 50 years ago.

I had a moment like that as well, listening to her March 2022 interview I think. She couldn't remember if Tusk was the next album after Rumours, and I worried her memory had gone.

You're so right about fans recalling these kinds of things more than the band members. We wouldn't expect anyone else to remember details of their work projects from 45 years ago, right?

[HomerMcvie]

I had a moment like that as well, listening to her March 2022 interview I think. She couldn't remember if Tusk was the next album after Rumours, and I worried her memory had gone.

You're so right about fans recalling these kinds of things more than the band members. We wouldn't expect anyone else to remember details of their work projects from 45 years ago, right?
I'll bet the rest of the members remember the order of the albums. It's not like they were releasing an album every 6 months. $tevie only remembers $tevie.