This week in 1983 December 1983

[Macfan4life]

Nightbird hit the charts at #63 after being released November 30, 1983. It would soon be promoted on Saturday Night Live at the end of December and then on Solid Gold early February 1984. It peaked at #33 and was leapfrogged by Christine's Got A Hold On Me when it entered the top 40.

Bringing the album The Wild Heart to a crashing end :sorry:

[UnwindedDreams]

Holy cow. Those were the days! And when she'd wear the SB like a poncho with her shoulder showing!

I wonder why Stevie never played Nightbird in concert after SNL.

I guess that synth wouldn't really capture the audience but Nightbird's one of her masterpieces.

Also, it gave Lori solo time (live, on the album it's sung with SS).

Nowadays, she could have Marilyn Martin sing it with her.

[Macfan4life]

Here is the Solid Gold performance that was recorded in December or January 1983 and debuted on Solid Gold February 4, 1984.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb2ty18YFBQ

[SteveMacD]

Nightbird hit the charts at #63 after being released November 30, 1983. It would soon be promoted on Saturday Night Live at the end of December and then on Solid Gold early February 1984. It peaked at #33 and was leapfrogged by Christine's Got A Hold On Me when it entered the top 40.

Bringing the album The Wild Heart to a crashing end :sorry:

On a similar note, “If Anyone Falls” was released as a single on September 3, 1983 and Madonna’s breakthrough single “Holiday” was released on September 7, 1983. Kind of a changing of the guard moment.

[cbBen]

"If Anyone Falls" is much better than "Nightbird" IMO.

The rationale for her solo career ("I'm too prolific a writer") disappeared after her first two solo albums (also IMO).

[UnwindedDreams]

On a similar note, “If Anyone Falls” was released as a single on September 3, 1983 and Madonna’s breakthrough single “Holiday” was released on September 7, 1983. Kind of a changing of the guard moment.And Stevie's hated her since:laugh:

[Macfan4life]

I remember being angry that Nightbird was released because even at age 13 I knew it would not chart well. I was hoping for Enchanted, I Will Run To You, or Nothing Ever Changes.
Rock stations were still playing more from Bella Donna than Wild Heart. As disappointed I was for Nightbird, I was thrilled Christine's solo album was shortly to be released.

[Macfan4life]

And Stevie's hated her since:laugh:
In that 1985 interview she laughed and inferred she influenced a few "people" with her fashion sense i.e. talking about Madonna. The comic irony that Stevie sat for that interview with lace gloves on. Who was influencing who?
It was Stevie chasing Madonna with neon gloves in 1985. Hardly an influencer anymore, she was chasing trends which was nothing short of cheezy. And she was so high that you notice all the dancing scenes in Talk To Me are shot far, were away not to see her face.

[SteveMacD]

It was Stevie chasing Madonna with neon gloves in 1985. Hardly an influencer anymore, she was chasing trends which was nothing short of cheezy.

It was kind of the downfall of her career for over a decade. Between being high as a kite and then tranqued out of her mind, she lost sight of who Stevie Nicks was. It was really sad.

[UnwindedDreams]

In that 1985 interview she laughed and inferred she influenced a few "people" with her fashion sense i.e. talking about Madonna. The comic irony that Stevie sat for that interview with lace gloves on. Who was influencing who?
It was Stevie chasing Madonna with neon gloves in 1985. Hardly an influencer anymore, she was chasing trends which was nothing short of cheezy. And she was so high that you notice all the dancing scenes in Talk To Me are shot far, were away not to see her face.
And Stevie shaded and shamed Madonna for years after that. Told her to kiss people her own age. Told her, Brittney Spears and Christina Aguilera to wear more clothes. She said Madonna has no singular sound.
She wouldn't say that to Harry Styles who runs around stage shirtless.

[HomerMcvie]

And Stevie shaded and shamed Madonna for years after that. Told her to kiss people her own age. Told her, Brittney Spears and Christina Aguilera to wear more clothes. She said Madonna has no singular sound.
She wouldn't say that to Harry Styles who runs around stage shirtless.

For all the miles she had on her, she sure was prudish while judging others.

[cbBen]

I remember being angry that Nightbird was released because even at age 13 I knew it would not chart well. I was hoping for Enchanted, I Will Run To You, or Nothing Ever Changes.

After his bad experience with "SDMHA" quashing his single "Woman In Love" (which would have been a hit had the two not come out concurrently), I suspect Petty conditioned giving her "I Will Run To You" on her not releasing it as a single.

[HomerMcvie]

After his bad experience with "SDMHA" quashing his single "Woman In Love" (which would have been a hit had the two not come out concurrently), I suspect Petty conditioned giving her "I Will Run To You" on her not releasing it as a single.

I Will Run is a good song, but not half as good as SDMHA.

[Macfan4life]

After his bad experience with "SDMHA" quashing his single "Woman In Love" (which would have been a hit had the two not come out concurrently), I suspect Petty conditioned giving her "I Will Run To You" on her not releasing it as a single.
By late 1983 that was water under the bridge. In 1981 and 1982 yes Tom was upset but soon realized and joked about it how he was not happy but the song's success bought him a new house.
By late 1983, Long After Dark was old news being released the previous year with mild success. Tom would have loved to have had his song released the following year.
SDMHA was released about the same time as Hard Promises in 1981.
Stevie went on tour with Tom that summer and the dates she showed up at packed the house. I can see how he was frustrated. His song was given away and the people were coming to see Stevie while his album was not nearly as successful.
I think I will run to you is a good song. But its pretty lame both in the lyrics department and music department. That does not mean it would not have been a good single. But in 1983 I think both Stevie and Tom were trying not to milk each other for success. Stevie's record company should have planned in advance in the peak days of MTV to shoot 3 videos before the Wild Heat tour started.

[Macfan4life]

And Stevie shaded and shamed Madonna for years after that. Told her to kiss people her own age. Told her, Brittney Spears and Christina Aguilera to wear more clothes. She said Madonna has no singular sound.
She wouldn't say that to Harry Styles who runs around stage shirtless.
I loved it when Stevie ripped Brittany and Madonna for French kissing on stage. The 24 hour media sensation was at full tilt. It was done simply for shock value just like the Janet Jackson Super Bowl stunt. When you resort to that kind of shock value stunts on stage, the music probably is not very good.
I applaud Stevie when she threw her thunder and shade at them. I also loved it when she said she wanted to strangle Nicki Minaj on American Idol.
You go Stevie!
I can totally see why someone from Stevie's era does not like Madonna. Stevie got famous for her writing and singing. The style just came along but was not what made her famous. There were no videos and you heard her on the radio. Madonna is a packaged commercial. Someone writes songs for her and she creates controversy to sell her image.

[UnwindedDreams]

I loved it when Stevie ripped Brittany and Madonna for French kissing on stage. The 24 hour media sensation was at full tilt. It was done simply for shock value just like the Janet Jackson Super Bowl stunt. When you resort to that kind of shock value stunts on stage, the music probably is not very good.
I applaud Stevie when she threw her thunder and shade at them. I also loved it when she said she wanted to strangle Nicki Minaj on American Idol.
You go Stevie!
I can totally see why someone from Stevie's era does not like Madonna. Stevie got famous for her writing and singing. The style just came along but was not what made her famous. There were no videos and you heard her on the radio. Madonna is a packaged commercial. Someone writes songs for her and she creates controversy to sell her image.
And you say HomerMcvie's the Mike Pence fan?:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

And you say HomerMcvie's the Mike Pence fan?:laugh:

Y'all are crazy. As I've stated before, speaking as a fairly NON POLITICAL person, I've only been to two political rallies in my life. BOTH of those were anti Pence rallies, when he was the Governor of Indiana.

Stop whacking to your Pence porn. You're a fixin' to go blind.

[SteveMacD]

Y'all are crazy. As I've stated before, speaking as a fairly NON POLITICAL person, I've only been to two political rallies in my life. BOTH of those were anti Pence rallies, when he was the Governor of Indiana.

Stop whacking to your Pence porn. You're a fixin' to go blind.

Great. Now I’m envisioning the “extremely erotic” Pence porn as only being Mike Pence blowing kisses to his wife while wearing the pink bunny pajamas from A Christmas Story.

[BombaySapphire3]

Having been a fanatic at that time the end of the Wild Heart era was kind of the last gasp of the old Stevie.

[cbBen]

Having been a fanatic at that time the end of the Wild Heart era was kind of the last gasp of the old Stevie.

Sure was. I've long said she was the better writer 1972-82, and Lindsey was the better writer thereafter.

And as I say above, the entire rationale for her solo career (too many good original songs) disappeared after this album.

[Macfan4life]

And you say HomerMcvie's the Mike Pence fan?:laugh:
Not sure what Mike Pence has to do with it. Madonna was panicked aging pop star who was eclipsed by a teeny bopper grown up. She wants to join her on stage and share the limelight. "Let's see, what can we do to create controversy and make us more famous. I know I will stick my tongue in your mouth and kiss you"

Lame

On another note, my guess is that the Solid Gold performance preceded the Saturday Night Live performance. SNL was always recorded or played the same day. Her hair seemed shorter on SNL than the Solid Gold performance. But who knows.

[HomerMcvie]

Not sure what Mike Pence has to do with it.

Lame

OMFG. YOU you YOU are the one who always brings up Mike Pence. So don't play dumb on this one.

Indeed.

[Macfan4life]

OMFG. YOU you YOU are the one who always brings up Mike Pence. So don't play dumb on this one.

Indeed.
Excuse you?
I bring up Mike Pence with you because you guys were born and raised in same corn field and not something specifically Fleetwood Mac/Stevie related.
I am not sure what Mike Pence had to do with Madonna or Stevie. My Mike Pence comments are directed at you specifically. Even if you don't need her, tell her you need her. She needs you brother.
Something about the Children of the Corn creeps me out. What are the chances we get 2 vice presidents from Indiana in the last quarter century and were both idiots.
I wonder if Mike likes Oh Daddy.
Can we still be friends? The answer is always yes.

[David]

Having been a fanatic at that time the end of the Wild Heart era was kind of the last gasp of the old Stevie.
I was really annoyed by that back then. Still am today, I guess. But there was a twinkle of hope I remember right around this time when word got out that Stevie was mounting a small second leg in early 1984 with Julian Lennon opening. There was going to be a big show at Anaheim Stadium with Bowie headlining and Nicks doing a solo set before him as a precursor to her own planned tour. I guess she decided to start recording Mirror Mirror instead. That was my biggest disappointment at that time. All I got in 1984 was a Chris McVie concert and a Rickie Lee Jones concert, and all Stevie wound up doing was the Starck Club in Dallas at nearly midnight (which nobody knew about until after it happened, unless you happened to be a Hollywood celebrity).

[aleuzzi]

The Wild Heart may have been the last moments of Stevie's nearly decade-long reign as the magical witch of rock, but it was a great flame out. The album has many great moments and her live performances during this time -- coke-fueled though they were -- really caught fire. It's better to burn than to rust--isn't that what Neil Young sang?

Rock a Little and TOSOTM are disappointing, even embarrassing, by comparison, but the two new (and admittedly cheesy) covers on Time Space are sung with real conviction. "Sometimes It's a Bitch" packs a punch and is no less squirmy to classic rock fans than Heart's songs from Bad Animals. Steve fared well once she stopped coke.

Yes, she lost spirit on Klonopin, but her vocal on "Blue Denim" was a cause for celebration. I thought: she doesn't sing like she used to but she sings well in a new way. Gone was that insanely intense vibrato, but in its place she gained a lot of power and control. She became a belter.

So, she's a strange one to assess in terms of career highs and lows. She's been up and down a few times on fortune's wheel.

[Macfan4life]

I was really annoyed by that back then. Still am today, I guess. But there was a twinkle of hope I remember right around this time when word got out that Stevie was mounting a small second leg in early 1984 with Julian Lennon opening. There was going to be a big show at Anaheim Stadium with Bowie headlining and Nicks doing a solo set before him as a precursor to her own planned tour. I guess she decided to start recording Mirror Mirror instead. That was my biggest disappointment at that time. All I got in 1984 was a Chris McVie concert and a Rickie Lee Jones concert, and all Stevie wound up doing was the Starck Club in Dallas at nearly midnight (which nobody knew about until after it happened, unless you happened to be a Hollywood celebrity).
I was excited in early 1984 too but for a different reason. My local rock station introduced something "new" from Stevie Nicks and played Violet and Blue. At that time I was not aware it was on the Against All Odds soundtrack and thought it was coming off another new album. I was in shock. I was all excited for a new album. Violet and Blue got heavy airplay on several stations. I will never forget hearing Violet and Blue and One In A Million BACK TO BACK. How cool was that?
Once I learned it was a movie soundtrack song, I was still excited because in just 3 months Rolling Stone had a tiny article that Stevie was putting the "finishing touches" on her new album. It would be released 1.5 years later :lol:
Mid 1984 was enough to celebrate though. We got a Christine solo tour and a Lindsey solo album each of their solo albums had 2 videos and 2 singles.

[UnwindedDreams]

Not sure what Mike Pence has to do with it. Madonna was panicked aging pop star who was eclipsed by a teeny bopper grown up. She wants to join her on stage and share the limelight. "Let's see, what can we do to create controversy and make us more famous. I know I will stick my tongue in your mouth and kiss you"

Lame

I brought up Pence because it sounds like something he'd say that Madonna shouldn't have kissed women on television. Or she shouldn't be showing her body.

Stevie wasn't always buttoned up in jackets and floor length dresses either.

Would you say Cher and Janet Jackson are packaged commercials and that people write songs for them?

[vivfox]

I wonder why Stevie never played Nightbird in concert after SNL.
Also, it gave Lori solo time (live, on the album it's sung with SS).

Nightbird was a great tv moment and she looked wonderful and it was so nice to see her and Lori share the vocals at the same mic. Stevie has always raved about Sharon and Lori but that is the only time Lori has ever stood out. I don't think it would have worked well in a concert venue though because it's too soft of a song. But it is surprising she would choose a song as a single and then not perform it in concert.

[vivfox]

I remember being angry that Nightbird was released because even at age 13 I knew it would not chart well. I was hoping for Enchanted, I Will Run To You, or Nothing Ever Changes.

I felt the same way at the time. I was always rooting for the release of Nothing Ever Changes because a good rock song is always an enjoyable concert staple. She already has an abundance of ballads. Of those 3 songs you listed, for me NEC is the only one that has stood the test of time. I almost forgot to tell you that her and Tom Petty performed I Will Run To You live at Radio City in Sept 1983 and while it was good to hear and see it in person, I never really cared much for that song. But that's just my opinion. The audience really loved it. Tom was a surprise guest. He was not advertised on the bill.

[vivfox]

In that 1985 interview she laughed and inferred she influenced a few "people" with her fashion sense i.e. talking about Madonna. The comic irony that Stevie sat for that interview with lace gloves on. Who was influencing who?
It was Stevie chasing Madonna with neon gloves in 1985. Hardly an influencer anymore, she was chasing trends which was nothing short of cheezy. And she was so high that you notice all the dancing scenes in Talk To Me are shot far, were away not to see her face.

You might want to rewatch that interview. She was talking about influencing the way Prince dressed and him wearing high heeled boots along with all of his lace. Even though she said she might have influenced the clothes of a few people, it certainly wasn't Madge she was referring to.

Stevie was concerned about her image and wanted to remain the thin woman in public that we were used to even though by 1985 she had packed on a lot of pounds. So for the making of that video they hired a look a like teenager from Atlanta to "play" Stevie and all the closeup face shots were the actual Stevie. You knew that, right?

[vivfox]

And Stevie shaded and shamed Madonna for years after that. Told her to kiss people her own age.
She wouldn't say that to Harry Styles who runs around stage shirtless.
Stevie trash talked Madonna and Pat Benatar for many years throughout the 1980's & 90's. I remember one interview in, I think 1994, when she told a reporter that she could have been more famous if she had dressed in raunchy clothes like those 2 women did.:]
She wouldn't say that to Harry Styles & she wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan either.

[vivfox]

SDMHA was released about the same time as Hard Promises in 1981. Stevie went on tour with Tom that summer and the dates she showed up at packed the house. I can see how he was frustrated. His song was given away and the people were coming to see Stevie while his album was not nearly as successful.

No one knew Stevie was going to be at any of those shows because she was not advertised on the billing. She was a surprise guest who simply walked out onstage to sing maybe 2 songs with Tom and that was it. Tom had always done great touring numbers. He never needed her to sell tickets. It was also very frustrating waiting for Stevie to come to my part of the country on her solo tour and then finding out there would only be 12 Bella Donna shows and they'd all take place no farther east than Colorado. And didn't find out until they were over.

[vivfox]

I loved it when Stevie ripped Brittany and Madonna for French kissing on stage. The 24 hour media sensation was at full tilt. It was done simply for shock value just like the Janet Jackson Super Bowl stunt. When you resort to that kind of shock value stunts on stage, the music probably is not very good.
I applaud Stevie when she threw her thunder and shade at them. I also loved it when she said she wanted to strangle Nicki Minaj on American Idol.
You go Stevie!
I can totally see why someone from Stevie's era does not like Madonna. Stevie got famous for her writing and singing. The style just came along but was not what made her famous. There were no videos and you heard her on the radio. Madonna is a packaged commercial. Someone writes songs for her and she creates controversy to sell her image.

I'll never see the point in comparing Stevie to other artists. They are all different and all have their own unique styles. The industry is always pitting female musicians against each other and Viv does not appreciate it. I despised Nikki Manaj for the longest time because to me she is filthy trash. I became a Cardi b fan but it didn't take me long to figure out she's just as trashy as Nikki. Now I like them equally but I won't watch their interviews anymore because they are both talented gutter trash talkers. Madonna on the other hand has more talent in her little finger than Stevie and any other female singer out there. From the beginning of her career(1983) until about 2 years ago Madonna's dance routines were always amazing. I wish I worshipped Madonna more than Stevie but Madonna doesn't make it easy to like her as a person. But as an entertainer I wish Stevie would be as brave in concert as Madonna is. When she tours, Madonna only really cares about her current record and is not afraid to perform songs from it. She'd throw so much of herself into each performance that even if you never heard the song before, she'd make you want to go out and buy it. Madonna would take all her past hits and give them a completely new musical arrangement on every one of her tours and NEVER repeated the same performance twice or the same show twice. And one more thing while I'm on the subject of how great Madonna is to me, she wrote a huge amount of her own hits.

But the Madonna we have now in 2022 is a complete and total whackjob and an embarrassment to herself and her fans. And the dancing she did on her last tour was horrible. I honestly don't know what in the hell happened to her. Aliens!! She must have been abducted by Aliens. Yes, that must be it!!

[vivfox]

Excuse you?I bring up Mike Pence with you because you guys were born and raised in same corn field
My Mike Pence comments are directed at you specifically. Even if you don't need her, tell her you need her. She needs you brother.

I always enjoy a good sense of humor post:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

I always enjoy a good sense of humor post:laugh:

Macfan is a loony toon.

That.Is.All.

[Macfan4life]

No one knew Stevie was going to be at any of those shows because she was not advertised on the billing. She was a surprise guest who simply walked out onstage to sing maybe 2 songs with Tom and that was it. Tom had always done great touring numbers. He never needed her to sell tickets. It was also very frustrating waiting for Stevie to come to my part of the country on her solo tour and then finding out there would only be 12 Bella Donna shows and they'd all take place no farther east than Colorado. And didn't find out until they were over.
Interesting. Tom had the power to play several nights in a row at the LA Forum in 1981?
He and his band were not a sold out arena band back then and were mostly playing to half full arenas. By the time SDMHA was a huge hit she was on the tour. Since she was at other shows, I find it hard to believe people did not expect her there. Tom never played SDMHA in his set until the song was a hit.
Stevie spent the entire summer with Tom. No one knew how big Bella Donna was going to be so I think everyone was gun shy. Too bad she did not do a summer tour promoting Bella Donna. When she got off tour with Tom in October there was not much time.

[Macfan4life]

I'll never see the point in comparing Stevie to other artists. They are all different and all have their own unique styles. The industry is always pitting female musicians against each other and Viv does not appreciate it. I despised Nikki Manaj for the longest time because to me she is filthy trash. I became a Cardi b fan but it didn't take me long to figure out she's just as trashy as Nikki. Now I like them equally but I won't watch their interviews anymore because they are both talented gutter trash talkers. Madonna on the other hand has more talent in her little finger than Stevie and any other female singer out there. From the beginning of her career(1983) until about 2 years ago Madonna's dance routines were always amazing. I wish I worshipped Madonna more than Stevie but Madonna doesn't make it easy to like her as a person. But as an entertainer I wish Stevie would be as brave in concert as Madonna is. When she tours, Madonna only really cares about her current record and is not afraid to perform songs from it. She'd throw so much of herself into each performance that even if you never heard the song before, she'd make you want to go out and buy it. Madonna would take all her past hits and give them a completely new musical arrangement on every one of her tours and NEVER repeated the same performance twice or the same show twice. And one more thing while I'm on the subject of how great Madonna is to me, she wrote a huge amount of her own hits.

But the Madonna we have now in 2022 is a complete and total whackjob and an embarrassment to herself and her fans. And the dancing she did on her last tour was horrible. I honestly don't know what in the hell happened to her. Aliens!! She must have been abducted by Aliens. Yes, that must be it!!
You lost me when you said Madonna has more talent :eek:

[Macfan4life]

I felt the same way at the time. I was always rooting for the release of Nothing Ever Changes because a good rock song is always an enjoyable concert staple. She already has an abundance of ballads. Of those 3 songs you listed, for me NEC is the only one that has stood the test of time. I almost forgot to tell you that her and Tom Petty performed I Will Run To You live at Radio City in Sept 1983 and while it was good to hear and see it in person, I never really cared much for that song. But that's just my opinion. The audience really loved it. Tom was a surprise guest. He was not advertised on the bill.
That's right. I remember your story about the 1983 NYC show with Tom. Wow thats pretty rare. Only a handful of people on this earth have seen I Will Run To You live and you are one of them.
Like you I too was rooting for Nothing Ever Changes. It already had some decent rock play. Even if the song did not chart well like Nightbird, go out with a bang and a rocker.

[aleuzzi]

Stevie was concerned about her image and wanted to remain the thin woman in public that we were used to even though by 1985 she had packed on a lot of pounds. So for the making of that video they hired a look a like teenager from Atlanta to "play" Stevie and all the closeup face shots were the actual Stevie. You knew that, right?

I did not know this. Wow. Sad. I remember her eyes in that video (on the closeups) and thinking she didn’t look well.

In terms of her thinness, I thought she’d stayed thin until around late 1987. This pic from early 87 shows her looking pretty slender. Maybe it’s just an illusion or a decent angle?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/80/47/fa/8047fab68467a6798e6ccbda74722170--lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac.jpg

[Macfan4life]

Stevie trash talked Madonna and Pat Benatar for many years throughout the 1980's & 90's. I remember one interview in, I think 1994, when she told a reporter that she could have been more famous if she had dressed in raunchy clothes like those 2 women did.:]
She wouldn't say that to Harry Styles & she wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan either.
Stevie was very bitter in 1994 and lashing out at everyone. Everyone was fair game. She even said Bill Clinton was too young to be president on David Letterman after performing at his ball 2 years earlier. Even during a radio interview when they were fawning over her #1 song Dreams, she took aim at Chris saying she had all the hits.

BTW, you are saying a teenage girl is in the Talk To Me video as Stevie? That's the most underreported story of the century? I can only possibly see it at 3:18 in the background?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQl62w71Ets

BTW, I went back and listened to the 1985 interview.

Question: You have a very strong image the way you dress with the laces. I think that may have contributed to people like Prince and Madonna. The current look that is so popular. I do.

Stevie: (grins and smiles) Madonna gets out of this easy Prince does that. Yes I definitely think I have definitely influenced the clothes of a few people


Stevie is sitting there with lace gloves that were a trademark of Madonna in 1985. IMHO Stevie is agreeing with the interviewer that she has both influenced Prince and Madonna. I guess its up to interpretation what she means Madonna getting out of this easy. I take that to mean because she is female its not as noticeable. But Stevie with her neon gloves in Talk To Me was a blatant Madonna inspiration. When Prince started wearing lace gloves, he was copying Madonna too IMHO. Madonna was a huge trend setter. I was in Jr High in 1984-1985 and almost every girl tried to look like her.

[ricohv]

Stevie was very bitter in 1994 and lashing out at everyone. Everyone was fair game. She even said Bill Clinton was too young to be president on David Letterman after performing at his ball 2 years earlier. Even during a radio interview when they were fawning over her #1 song Dreams, she took aim at Chris saying she had all the hits.

BTW, you are saying a teenage girl is in the Talk To Me video as Stevie? That's the most underreported story of the century? I can only possibly see it at 3:18 in the background?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQl62w71Ets

BTW, I went back and listened to the 1985 interview.

Question: You have a very strong image the way you dress with the laces. I think that may have contributed to people like Prince and Madonna. The current look that is so popular. I do.

Stevie: (grins and smiles) Madonna gets out of this easy Prince does that. Yes I definitely think I have definitely influenced the clothes of a few people


Stevie is sitting there with lace gloves that were a trademark of Madonna in 1985. IMHO Stevie is agreeing with the interviewer that she has both influenced Prince and Madonna. I guess its up to interpretation what she means Madonna getting out of this easy. I take that to mean because she is female its not as noticeable. But Stevie with her neon gloves in Talk To Me was a blatant Madonna inspiration. When Prince started wearing lace gloves, he was copying Madonna too IMHO. Madonna was a huge trend setter. I was in Jr High in 1984-1985 and almost every girl tried to look like her.
IWow we have entirely different perceptions here. I didn't think Stevie was bitter or throwing shade when she talked about Clinton. She said she wondered if he might be too young because they were the same age and she can hardly make decisions about what to wear every day let alone run the country (or some such thing) but it didn't seem harsh at all.
Also, there was an interview with the teen age girl on Youtube years ago but I cant find it now. She was on some AM talk show or something. I dont think it had anything to do with Stevie thinking she looked fat. They wanted some sort of filler scenes and used this girl as Stevie wasn't available. There are plenty of full body shots of Stevie in the video where she looks fine. But then that quick shot mentioned above plus one at about 3:26 were the only ones they used.

[Macfan4life]

IWow we have entirely different perceptions here. I didn't think Stevie was bitter or throwing shade when she talked about Clinton. She said she wondered if he might be too young because they were the same age and she can hardly make decisions about what to wear every day let alone run the country (or some such thing) but it didn't seem harsh at all.
Also, there was an interview with the teen age girl on Youtube years ago but I cant find it now. She was on some AM talk show or something. I dont think it had anything to do with Stevie thinking she looked fat. They wanted some sort of filler scenes and used this girl as Stevie wasn't available. There are plenty of full body shots of Stevie in the video where she looks fine. But then that quick shot mentioned above plus one at about 3:26 were the only ones they used.
Don't focus on the detail about Bill Clinton. That was just a off the cuff comment. Bill Clinton was not popular in 1994 because of the recession and backlash. The GOP won the house for the first time in 40 years. My point about that comment is she was not positive i.e. give him some time or something. It was easy to pile on. Stevie was a negative cannon once Street Angel was released. No doubt she was going through a very hard time. She went through a brutal rehab. Her album suffered. The album tanked. She was playing small crowds. Cancelled the second leg of her tour. Bashed her producer and like a child told people not to buy her solo album. She was hurting and negative which was my point about her subtle comments about the other artists when asked. Thats the point I was making. The positive and polite Stevie was gone. She was hurt. She was pissed. And had nothing good to say about anyone.

[HomerMcvie]

Don't focus on the detail about Bill Clinton. That was just a off the cuff comment. Bill Clinton was not popular in 1994 because of the recession and backlash. The GOP won the house for the first time in 40 years. My point about that comment is she was not positive i.e. give him some time or something. It was easy to pile on. Stevie was a negative cannon once Street Angel was released. No doubt she was going through a very hard time. She went through a brutal rehab. Her album suffered. The album tanked. She was playing small crowds. Cancelled the second leg of her tour. Bashed her producer and like a child told people not to buy her solo album. She was hurting and negative which was my point about her subtle comments about the other artists when asked. Thats the point I was making. The positive and polite Stevie was gone. She was hurt. She was pissed. And had nothing good to say about anyone.
"Stevie, is that you?"

[David]

BTW, you are saying a teenage girl is in the Talk To Me video as Stevie? That's the most underreported story of the century? I can only possibly see it at 3:18 in the background?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQl62w71Ets

She was a young teen from Atlanta named Cara Cooke. Stevie saw her somewhere, thought she was cute, and stuck her in the video. Cara is spinning in the white skirt in the superimposed background of spinning wheels. There isn’t much footage used of her but it’s there. There’s some raw footage of Cara’s dancing with a counter at the bottom, followed by an interview with Cara on some local Atlanta TV show.

[Macfan4life]

"Stevie, is that you?"
baby baby baby baby
can you see me now?

baby baby baby
can you feel me now?

[David]

In terms of her thinness, I thought she’d stayed thin until around late 1987.

I don’t mean to be crass, but I first saw Stevie gain weight at the Mulholland Tomorrow concert in September 1985, where she played a few songs with the Heartbreakers and Don Henley’s band. She was showing a little weight gain on her 1986 tour throughout, although I still think she looked marvelous—a dragon-lady with all that strange kohl around her eyes. She had an edge that year, despite looking a little less put-together. Her drummer, Rick, called her a dynamo in Modern Drummer.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/48caa264bc64ace95259af4f56086151/tumblr_pyue3bNifB1qcaugio1_640.jpg

[cbBen]

How is saying Chris had all the hits "taking aim" at her?

[Macfan4life]

How is saying Chris had all the hits "taking aim" at her?
It was her negativity. I will find the interview on youtube and post it. Stevie was doing a radio interview promoting Street Angel. They brought up she had the only #1 song in Fleetwood Mac's catalog. She projected negativity as it was not special because Chris had the hits. She also ragged she would not do a video because she may have to downsize and live in a townhouse in her old age. Meanwhile she is worth well over 100 million in her old age. My point was pointed out in the earlier post. She was a negative Nancy at this time and ragged on everyone. How do you tell your fans not to buy your album. If it was not so silly its absurd. She was agonizing her career was over.
You never heard her interviews at this time?
How about this? Stevie was negative towards everyone at this time. Her comment towards Pat Benatar was not really a swipe either. But it was petty jealousy and anger.

[SteveMacD]

This was when she was coming off Klonopin. In hindsight, she should have maybe chilled out for six months to a year.

I remember how she said Fleetwood Mac were scary and mean to her around that time.

[SteveMacD]

I did not know this. Wow. Sad. I remember her eyes in that video (on the closeups) and thinking she didn’t look well.

In terms of her thinness, I thought she’d stayed thin until around late 1987. This pic from early 87 shows her looking pretty slender. Maybe it’s just an illusion or a decent angle?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/80/47/fa/8047fab68467a6798e6ccbda74722170--lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac.jpg

Looks like she bulked up, here.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/c75912fcf37535c798ce60b9a85f164a/tumblr_oox1xeHlyp1t9y7ugo2_500.jpg

https://imgs-smoothradio-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/imgs.smoothradio.com/images/89855?crop=16_9&width=500&relax=1&signature=ywpDMOlrNDFxPxAeBfZ53ZyMu7Y=

[BombaySapphire3]

I saw her twice on the RAL tour. For the first show in Costa Mesa we were in the third row and I thought she looked rather alarmingly large compared to when I had her seen on The Wild Heart tour. I imagine some of it was caused by having to cut back on the cocaine :shrug: Still it was an entertaining show though as it was pre -Klonopin.

[Macfan4life]

The pre RAL interview that is famous on youtube was filmed May 1985. She looks very thin and classic Stevie. Once she started the road parties during the RAL era is when she packed on the weight. She went to Australia with Bob and Tom, then hung out with Heart for a few shows, went into RAL rehearsals and then hit the road. By the end of the RAL tour she was very bloated. The Red Rocks video that is not reshot shows this. When she is holding the dove (1986) she is considerably heavier than she was one year earlier (1985). She lost some weight post Betty Ford and for Tango videos. Once the klonopin kicked in, the weight slowing starting coming back.
When Big Love was breaking on the radio, I heard a DJ say the grunts at the end of the song were Stevie trying to fit into her jeans.

Back to the Talk To Me video. The most annoying part of the video is not that she's wearing neon Madonna-esque gloves with holes in them. You dont even know she's wearing them until the end when some dumb director probably told her.....Stevie...show off your gloves.......start putting your hands in front of your face.
Even as a teen, it was nails down a chalk board to me. Oh look, Stevie is cool like Madonna too. Too bad she did not wear a "Boy Toy" belt buckle.

[cbBen]

I was not yet a fan in 1994, but I do remember listening on my local classic rock radio station (probably as an introduction to their playing the track) to a snippet of an interview where Stevie says she wanted Bob Dylan to play harmonica on "Just Like A Woman" to make it "genuine." This was the very end of the era where classic rock radio would actually play new music from classic rock artists.

[HomerMcvie]

When Big Love was breaking on the radio, I heard a DJ say the grunts at the end of the song were Stevie trying to fit into her jeans.

Ooh, when/if I retire this Christine sig, I think I've found my new one. :woohoo:

[Nathan]

She had also moved into her mid-late thirties by RAL. Some of that weight gain may have been due to aging and her really getting her “woman’s body.”

Some also may have been due to relying more on alcohol than cocaine starting on the RAL tour.

[Macfan4life]

She had also moved into her mid-late thirties by RAL. Some of that weight gain may have been due to aging and her really getting her “woman’s body.”

Some also may have been due to relying more on alcohol than cocaine starting on the RAL tour.
No doubt. She was drinking hard. She went on tour realizing she had a nose problem and coke problem. The change in her looks just before RAL was released and when it was almost over in Australia was shocking. I think she looked horrible when she was introducing I Cant Wait on Countdown in Australia and the RAL tour had not even begun yet.
But to be fair those mid 80s clothes she wore were hideous. That giant belt buckle and those giant silver cuff rings and that puff hair on top with her dark eye make up made her look worse. We all looked bad in the mid 80s looking back. Lindsey's hair and clothes in 1984 were not stellar either. Chris also looked like an old lady in her Got A Hold On Me video. Then she had so much make up on for Love Will Show Us How.
It was the decade of excess.

[UnwindedDreams]

It was her negativity. I will find the interview on youtube and post it. Stevie was doing a radio interview promoting Street Angel. They brought up she had the only #1 song in Fleetwood Mac's catalog. She projected negativity as it was not special because Chris had the hits. She also ragged she would not do a video because she may have to downsize and live in a townhouse in her old age. Meanwhile she is worth well over 100 million in her old age. My point was pointed out in the earlier post. She was a negative Nancy at this time and ragged on everyone. How do you tell your fans not to buy your album. If it was not so silly its absurd. She was agonizing her career was over.
You never heard her interviews at this time?
How about this? Stevie was negative towards everyone at this time. Her comment towards Pat Benatar was not really a swipe either. But it was petty jealousy and anger.
After the 90s, Stevie took shots at other artists: Miley Cyrus, Brittney Spears, Nicki Minaj, Madonna, Christina Aguilera, Lindsay Lohan...
That's where the 2009 Tour Title "Unleashed" came from:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

That's where the 2009 Tour Title "Unleashed" came from:laugh:

Well, that's when she began chomping at Lindsey. Unleashed, indeed.

[UnwindedDreams]

Well, that's when she began chomping at Lindsey. Unleashed, indeed.
And he should have be un-done for critiquing Thrown Down. How demonic of him.